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From: "Tony Done" <tonyd...@bigpond.com>
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"RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Tony Done" <tonyd...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> "Les Cargill"  wrote in message news:jp70mf$2ar$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> Phantom Post wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone see the Live From Daryl's House with Keb' Mo'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.livefromdarylshouse.com/currentep.html?ep_id=65
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's playing one of these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.hamerguitars.com/?fa=detail&mid=1441
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Red.  Three P90s.  Bixby.  Man-o-man that's a nice sounding guitar!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice looking guitar, but it just sounds like a Strat in the video.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just listen to that first song, "The Whole Enchilada".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sweet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For P90s, I *really* like the neck/bridge combo. Flip it to
>>>>> one pickup alone for leads, then back to the middle for
>>>>> rhythm.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Les Cargill
>>>>>
>>>>> **************
>>>>>
>>>>> The big deal for me about P90s is the adjustable pole pieces, combined
>>>>> with a thick single coil tone.
>>>>>
>>>>> My amp tech mate Terry reckons they sound good for nasally jazz tones
>>>>> when out of phase. My one and only attempt at out-of phase was with
>>>>> strat pickups, and that put me off trying again
>>>>
>>>> The key to good out-of-phase tones is connecting the pickups in series.
>>>> That darkens the tone (and boosts the output somewhat) compared to
>>>> standard
>>>> parallel connections, which I find way too thin on out-of-phase,
>>>> single-coil
>>>> pickups.
>>>>
>>>> Series connection also lends an element of "beef" to in-phase,
>>>> more-than-one-pickup connections on three-pickup guitars.  Rather than
>>>> Strat-like "quack", you get a more humbucker-like tone with bridge +
>>>> middle,
>>>> neck + middle, and bridge + neck.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the best of all worlds is to allow for both series and
>>>> parallel
>>>> connection.  That's how I've got two of my guitars wired.  The in-phase
>>>> parallel, in-phase series, and out-of-phase series all sound good to 
>>>> me.
>>>> The only combinations I find myself not using are out-of-phase 
>>>> parallel.
>>>>
>>>> Then again, I've got all those switches!  Some people don't like that,
>>>> granted.
>>>>
>>>> It takes six switches to get all the possible combinations on a
>>>> three-pickup
>>>> guitar.  One on/off for each pickup, one phase switch for each of two
>>>> pickups (you don't need all three), and one to switch the circuit from
>>>> series to parallel.
>>>>
>>>> ***************
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I hadn't thought of series out-of-phase. I've tried series
>>>> in-phase with strat pickups, I didn't like it enough to persist with
>>>> it. - But I like a lot of "acousticness" in my tone, which you lose 
>>>> with
>>>> hot series wiring.
>>>>
>>>> I've just bought a DiMarzio 4P3T on-on-on switch and two SD Jazz 
>>>> pickups
>>>> for my Westone 335 knockoff, so I'm going to have 
>>>> series-single-parallel
>>>> on both pickups. I'm not convinced about single, but we'll see.
>>>>
>>>> Tony D
>>>
>>> I'm not sure you'd like even series out-of-phase.  Those sounds have a
>>> really artificial-sounding texture to them, and they don't shine until
>>> you
>>> really crank up the gain.
>>>
>>> Listen to this Brian May performance.  He's got two echoplexes going so
>>> he
>>> can "harmonize" with himself, but this piece showcases the different
>>> sounds
>>> from his guitar.  The little bit from about 5:50 to 6:40 is middle and
>>> neck
>>> pickups out of phase, from 6:50 to the end with the same two pickups in
>>> phase, initially with the volume turned down to clean up the sound then
>>> gradually increasing to add a little dirt.
>>>
>>> Pickups in series throughout.
>>>
>>> *********************
>>>
>>> Link?
>>>
>>> Tony D
>>
>> Sorry.  I've been planting some annuals outside today, my mind's more on
>> that.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m69BrvJNfg
>>
>> *******************
>>
>> <g> Much as I admire Queen in general and Brian in particular, there is
>> nothing there I would want to emulate. I'm more the Ry cooder type.
>
>Yeah, I figured.  You say you're after an acoustic-type tone, and those
>out-of-phase pickup combinations are far from that.

So-called "half out of phase"
("HOoP") is a very usable and
appropriately rootsy sort of
tone.  It's essentially the
same as parallel out of phase
in that you reverse the
electrical polarity of one of
the pickups, the difference
is you put a 10 nFd (.01 mFd)
capacitor in series with one
lead of that pickup.  It's an
easy way to get something
somewhat resembling a Strat's
"quack" effect on a two-pickup
instrument -- not sure it
would add all that much to a
three-pickup guitar, though.
I've read folks stating that
it sounds a lot like a dobro,
which should appeal to a
Cooder (one of my major
influences btw, even though I
don't play any slide) fan.

********************

I've got one guitar wired with the two P90 pickups connected in phase and in 
phase with a small cap and a pot. With the pot at zero resistance the cap 
certainly adds some strat-like quack. I might try it out of phase to see if 
it does sound dobro-like.

Ry Cooder has used all kinds of tricks to get particular tones, including 
installing a Supro string-through pickup in a strat - the Coodercaster - but 
I think a lot of it is in his fingers.

Tony D
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