Another guitar tab site taken down
Free-Tabs.com
The MPA has taken another guitar tabs site down - http://www.free-tabs.com/
Will their plundering ever end...
Colin
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Rookie wrote:
> "Free-Tabs.com" <nor...@free-tabs.com> wrote in
> news:11628400...@work.isdsl.net:
> bought a couple of tab books years ago and was very disappointed.
I thought you said the MPAA took the site down. I was getting ready to
Praise the MPAA.
Ritual
wrote:
>"Free-Tabs.com" <nor...@free-tabs.com> wrote in
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>
>I wonder if they have seen any raise in their sales after all this. I have
>bought a couple of tab books years ago and was very disappointed.
This is a source of real anger for me. These assholes are driving the
art of music into the ground. I went to find some tabs of classical
music and found that they too had been eaten up by the lawyers. The
people that wrote the shit have been dead for hundreds of years. These
assholes won't be happy until all music is forgotten forever and no
one at all is left to remember how to play songs of the times. Much of
these songs will never be published. Not only that, the sites in
question are not displaying copyrighted publications available in
stores. They are generally players' interpretations of tunes that they
spent long hours sitting down and writing out so other people can play
at no gain to their own end. Won't be long before there will be
nothing left to do but crack because music will be illegal.
- Ritual
Larry
I've heard all the arguments, and I still can't understand why anyone who
sits down and tabs out an interpretation of a song is breaking copyright.
If this was the case, the entire media industry would be in legal trouble.
-Larry
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RichCI
Larry wrote:
> This needs to get to court. Not sure how it can happen, but it needs to.
>
> I've heard all the arguments, and I still can't understand why anyone who
> sits down and tabs out an interpretation of a song is breaking copyright.
> If this was the case, the entire media industry would be in legal trouble.
Mainly because it infringes on the rights of publishing companies who
make money by selling sheet music and their own tabs. Additionally,
those publishing companies pay royalties to the original artists who
wrote the songs and I doubt that the tabs sites that were shut down do
the same.
To me, it's not about "so-and-so wrote out the tab of a song and should
be able to do with it whatever they want;" it's about "so-and-so took
someone else's work and translated it into another form and is now
making money off of that someone else's work without paying them for
it." It's like when rappers would sample large part of other artist's
songs, loop it, rap over it and call it their own new song without
paying the original artist.
Guitarismo
RichCI
Guitarismo wrote:
> Who's making money?
Okay, maybe that particular site was offering the tabs for free and I
even looked at it and checked that they had no advertising. But,
looking at it from the actual publishers' and artists' point of view,
they're still losing sales because people go out on the web and get
their creative property - property that belongs to them - for free.
If you wrote a book and it got published and it was being sold in book
stores then somebody went and posted the entire transcript on the web
for anyone to download and read, wouldn't you be pissed because you
were losing sales?
Larry
And they are interpretations.
If someone was copying TAB books and putting them on the net, then that
would be a different story. But that is not what is going on here.
-Larry
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rct
> Who's making money?
"Advertise on this site". It's written right at the top. You aren't
making money, the guy that tab'd it isn't making any money, the band
that wrote and/or performed the song isn't making any money. SOMEBODY
is making money, because we all know there is nothing for free.
No matter what you think, someday somebody MAY take a piece of your
work and make money off of it without reimbursing you, and this is the
important part: YOU WON'T BE HAPPY.
If anyone in the whole world could understand this, you'd think it'd be
a buncha guitar players or other "musicians". They're the last, most
resistant to anything that could someday benefit them. I just don't
understand it.
RichCI
Larry wrote:
> I've never paid a cent for a TAB.
>
> And they are interpretations.
>
> If someone was copying TAB books and putting them on the net, then that
> would be a different story. But that is not what is going on here.
They are copying the artists' works - songs. Okay, the tab writers on
the site didn't photocopy a book, but that's not the point. The songs
they transcribed the tabs for didn't belong to them in the first place,
they used the songs without permission and without reimbursing the
songs' writers.
You might as well type up from memory "Too Kill a Mockingbird" and
publish it on the web. Just because you didn't copy it word for word
right from an original print doesn't mean that it's okay to do it.
Larry
-Larry
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RichCI
Larry wrote:
> I guess we just see this differently. That's ok.
>
> -Larry
I'd be a pretty dull group if we all had the same opinion. =)
rct
> Larry wrote:
> > I guess we just see this differently. That's ok.
> I'd be a pretty dull group if we all had the same opinion. =)
I think I agree with that for opinions. Unfortunately, copyright stuff
is a legal matter. I'm for anything that gets as many of the pennies
in this industry into the pockets of the guys that make the music.
rct
uni...@yahoo.com
You can still VERY easily get tabs and sheet music from Peer2Peer
sharing networks.
In fact, I have gotten so many PDFs and GuitarPro files off the P2Ps
that if I quit my job and sat home with my guitar all day, I'd be busy
for the next 100 years.
For those of you not familiar with P2P sharing, here is a brief how-to:
1. Download free Gnutella client from bearshare.com. There is also a
Pro version that costs a few bucks and prevents pop-ups. (I use the
free one and it's not that bad).
2. ALWAYS make sure you run a good Anti-Virus on your PC since there is
a lot of trojan crap on P2Ps.
3. Get a hold of Guitar-Pro software. (Pay for it, don't steal it)
4. Launch your Bearshare client and search for Archives that contain
"guitar pro" text string. There is an 80MB file out there that has
every tab posted on Mysongbook.com before it was shut down.
5. To get PDF's of sheet music that others scanned and are sharing on
P2P, just search for artist or song name. (I found a copy of Hendrix
note-for-note book recently that I've never even seen in print!).
As long as Internet and scanners exist, it will be very hard for
publishers to prevent sharing of copyrighted material. These are just
facts of life. Myself, I definetely consider downloading and using
published works as criminal. Downloading "iffy" TABs should be very
legal. I have hundreds of guitar magazines and songbook compilations
that already contain 95% of stuff I downloaded. I'm just too lazy to
scan my books and if someone already has a PDF with the same material,
I'm pretty sure I'm not braking any laws.
Cheers,
Ron
mercutio
>
>
>
>They are copying the artists' works - songs. Okay, the tab writers on
>the site didn't photocopy a book, but that's not the point. The songs
>they transcribed the tabs for didn't belong to them in the first place,
>they used the songs without permission and without reimbursing the
>songs' writers.
>
>You might as well type up from memory "Too Kill a Mockingbird" and
>publish it on the web. Just because you didn't copy it word for word
>right from an original print doesn't mean that it's okay to do it.
How is it different to tab your interpitation of some elses work and
have that be intellectual property infringment and yet it is ok to be
in a cover band and play in bars and perform someone elses
intellectual property. (without permission or reimbusment of the
artists) I'm afraid I don't see the difference here
RichCI
mercutio wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2006 06:54:21 -0800, "RichCI" <ric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
> >
> >They are copying the artists' works - songs. Okay, the tab writers on
> >the site didn't photocopy a book, but that's not the point. The songs
> >they transcribed the tabs for didn't belong to them in the first place,
> >they used the songs without permission and without reimbursing the
> >songs' writers.
> >
> >You might as well type up from memory "Too Kill a Mockingbird" and
> >publish it on the web. Just because you didn't copy it word for word
> >right from an original print doesn't mean that it's okay to do it.
> How is it different to tab your interpitation of some elses work and
> have that be intellectual property infringment and yet it is ok to be
> in a cover band and play in bars and perform someone elses
> intellectual property. (without permission or reimbusment of the
> artists) I'm afraid I don't see the difference here
Well, ASCAP goes after bar owners to pay a fee to them if they have
cover bands. So, while the band might not be paying a fee, ASCAP does
want a cut for that.
http://www.toledofreepress.com/?id=4052
I don't really like it, but I do understand the logic behind it. Bar
owners and cover bands are making money off of published copywritten
songs and ASCAP wants to be compensated.
RichCI
RichCI wrote:
> mercutio wrote:
> > On 15 Nov 2006 06:54:21 -0800, "RichCI" <ric...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >They are copying the artists' works - songs. Okay, the tab writers on
> > >the site didn't photocopy a book, but that's not the point. The songs
> > >they transcribed the tabs for didn't belong to them in the first place,
> > >they used the songs without permission and without reimbursing the
> > >songs' writers.
> > >
> > >You might as well type up from memory "Too Kill a Mockingbird" and
> > >publish it on the web. Just because you didn't copy it word for word
> > >right from an original print doesn't mean that it's okay to do it.
> > How is it different to tab your interpitation of some elses work and
> > have that be intellectual property infringment and yet it is ok to be
> > in a cover band and play in bars and perform someone elses
> > intellectual property. (without permission or reimbusment of the
> > artists) I'm afraid I don't see the difference here
>
>
> Well, ASCAP goes after bar owners to pay a fee to them if they have
> cover bands. So, while the band might not be paying a fee, ASCAP does
> want a cut for that.
>
> http://www.toledofreepress.com/?id=4052
>
> I don't really like it, but I do understand the logic behind it. Bar
> owners and cover bands are making money off of published copywritten
> songs and ASCAP wants to be compensated.
Adding to that, think of it in relation to radio stations that pay a
royalty every time they play a song by a given artist.
Larry
-Larry
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