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jtees4
Dec 13, 2012, 9:15:51 AM12/13/12
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You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
electric:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
*************
NEW SONG UP!!!:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
electric:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
*************
NEW SONG UP!!!:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Carl
Dec 13, 2012, 10:09:49 AM12/13/12
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result.
But it is great that Mr. Taylor probably has a guitar tech tuning his
guitars up for him off-stage while he's playing. I'd like to see him
maintain those ratios during the course of a live performance
Perhaps, he should consider the Buzz Feiten system? :-)
Anyway, I thought that one of the posts placed on his tuning lesson page was
directly to the point:
"What a shame all those acoustic guitarists back in the 1970s, '60s, '50s,
'40s, '30s, '20s, etc., didn't have electronic tuners like this. That must
be why the likes of Django Reinhardt, Robert Johnson, Andres Segovia, The
Beatles, Doc? Watson, Bert Jansch, Lonnie Johnson, Chet Atkins, and the
young James Taylor, all sounded so awful, right?"
Sometimes, we take things just a little too far.
Dr. Zontar
Dec 13, 2012, 11:06:35 AM12/13/12
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:09:49 AM UTC-5, Carl wrote:
> jtees4 wrote: > You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very > interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and > electric: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts > ************* > NEW SONG UP!!!: > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610 > I tried this using a Peterson Strobe Tuner and I'll admit I liked the result. But it is great that Mr. Taylor probably has a guitar tech tuning his guitars up for him off-stage while he's playing. I'd like to see him maintain those ratios during the course of a live performance Perhaps, he should consider the Buzz Feiten system? :-) Anyway, I thought that one of the posts placed on his tuning lesson page was directly to the point: "What a shame all those acoustic guitarists back in the 1970s, '60s, '50s, '40s, '30s, '20s, etc., didn't have electronic tuners like this. That must be why the likes of Django Reinhardt, Robert Johnson, Andres Segovia, The Beatles, Doc? Watson, Bert Jansch, Lonnie Johnson, Chet Atkins, and the young James Taylor, all sounded so awful, right?" Sometimes, we take things just a little too far.
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> jtees4 wrote: > You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very > interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and > electric: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts > ************* > NEW SONG UP!!!: > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610 > I tried this using a Peterson Strobe Tuner and I'll admit I liked the result. But it is great that Mr. Taylor probably has a guitar tech tuning his guitars up for him off-stage while he's playing. I'd like to see him maintain those ratios during the course of a live performance Perhaps, he should consider the Buzz Feiten system? :-) Anyway, I thought that one of the posts placed on his tuning lesson page was directly to the point: "What a shame all those acoustic guitarists back in the 1970s, '60s, '50s, '40s, '30s, '20s, etc., didn't have electronic tuners like this. That must be why the likes of Django Reinhardt, Robert Johnson, Andres Segovia, The Beatles, Doc? Watson, Bert Jansch, Lonnie Johnson, Chet Atkins, and the young James Taylor, all sounded so awful, right?" Sometimes, we take things just a little too far.
As Jimi Hendrix once said (while retuning between songs), "Only cowboys stay in tune."
Les Cargill
Dec 13, 2012, 1:24:54 PM12/13/12
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James' offsets:
E -3
B -6
G -4
D -8
A -10
E -12 ( yarg )
--
Les Cargill
jtees4
Dec 13, 2012, 1:57:54 PM12/13/12
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pro player, even for those times...but yeah I can kind of understand
why based on his technique. I love Hendrix, but I prefer his studio
stuff, maybe that's part of the reason why...never gave it much
thought.
David L. Martel
Dec 13, 2012, 2:00:30 PM12/13/12
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Jtee,
Just put new strings on today and then saw your post. Thought I give it a
try. I don't use a capo much.
I was disappointed. The whole guitar is flat. Perhaps Taylor's capo fixes
that by pulling everything sharp. He mentions that and I agree, a capo makes
the guitar sharp. Also the bass strings were't in tune with the treble
strings. Chords did not sound good.
This probably works well in his guitar with his playing technique but it
did nothing for me.
I'll let the guitar settle down and try this tuning technique again to
morrow.
Have you tried this?
Dave M.
Just put new strings on today and then saw your post. Thought I give it a
try. I don't use a capo much.
I was disappointed. The whole guitar is flat. Perhaps Taylor's capo fixes
that by pulling everything sharp. He mentions that and I agree, a capo makes
the guitar sharp. Also the bass strings were't in tune with the treble
strings. Chords did not sound good.
This probably works well in his guitar with his playing technique but it
did nothing for me.
I'll let the guitar settle down and try this tuning technique again to
morrow.
Have you tried this?
Dave M.
jtees4
Dec 13, 2012, 2:05:51 PM12/13/12
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and have not been able to touch a guitar yet today...hopefully later.
Steve Daniels
Dec 13, 2012, 2:13:55 PM12/13/12
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:00:30 -0500, against all advice, something
compelled "David L. Martel" <mart...@frontier.com>, to say:
> Have you tried this?
No. I always tune low to high so that the four, five, and six
strings don't pull the one, two, and three strings flat.
compelled "David L. Martel" <mart...@frontier.com>, to say:
> Have you tried this?
No. I always tune low to high so that the four, five, and six
strings don't pull the one, two, and three strings flat.
David L. Martel
Dec 13, 2012, 3:17:11 PM12/13/12
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Steve,
>> Have you tried this?
>
>
> No. I always tune low to high so that the four, five, and six
> strings don't pull the one, two, and three strings flat.
I don't follow you. What does low to high mean here? It sounds as if you
are describing the sequence in which you tune strings rather than tuning
flat or sharp. If that's the case I agree and also usually start on the bass
strings. I did that in this case by tuning E2 12 cents flat, A2 10 cents
flat, et c. Took 2 passes through all of the strings to get all of the
strings tuned per the Taylor method.
Dave M.
>> Have you tried this?
>
>
> No. I always tune low to high so that the four, five, and six
> strings don't pull the one, two, and three strings flat.
are describing the sequence in which you tune strings rather than tuning
flat or sharp. If that's the case I agree and also usually start on the bass
strings. I did that in this case by tuning E2 12 cents flat, A2 10 cents
flat, et c. Took 2 passes through all of the strings to get all of the
strings tuned per the Taylor method.
Dave M.
Flasherly
Dec 13, 2012, 4:04:09 PM12/13/12
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On Dec 13, 2:00 pm, "David L. Martel" <marte...@frontier.com> wrote:
> I'll let the guitar settle down and try this tuning technique again to
> morrow. Have you tried this?
>
> Dave M.
Just don't let it settle too much. W/ nylon they begin to wear almost
> I'll let the guitar settle down and try this tuning technique again to
> morrow. Have you tried this?
>
> Dave M.
immediately, although I've noticed the classicists refer to an aspect
of general compromise (positionally) when/if playing in perfect pitch,
something they'll also widely discount for all but the rarest of
Golden Ears able to hear by distinction. How the note is played
mechanically, when apparently true by tuning analysis, what then
always may not necessarily be, say, when accountable to a condition of
the strings, per se, for best describing compositional perspective as
range and fluidity take over for listener aspects to surmount the
player-mechanical consciousness. Perhaps. Vastly different, anyway,
than switching to stainless steel strings and quite a surprise from
being used to going through nickel alloys like water. They're
comparatively Kryptonite. Got to got to give thicker SS gauges a try
now.
RichL
Dec 13, 2012, 4:07:42 PM12/13/12
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"jtees4" <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:emojc8hkfjgv4qd6q...@4ax.com...
BS. That's my take. He's tuning open strings and arbitrarily
adding/subtracting cents more or less arbitrarily to make up for the fact
that his guitar doesn't intonate properly. If he really looked into it,
he'd find that the "best" offsets would vary from one guitar to the next.
I *never* tune open strings. What tends to work best for me is to tune
strings fretted at the third fret (assuming I have the guitar intonated as
closely as possible to begin with). That basically makes the closed chords
come out about right. The low E, A, and D will tend to be a little flat
when played open, but so what? I'm playing a lot more fretted notes than
open notes. Most "uncorrectable" intonation issues arise from differences
between those open strings and fretted notes; that, for example, is what
makes the Feiten system actually do what it purports to do.
Once I'm done tuning fretted notes as above, I'll just go through and play a
pile of chords (both "cowboy" and barre) and do little tweaks to get the
best compromise (according to what my ears are telling me, not a tuner).
But I usually don't have to tweak much (if at all).
If I'm gonna slap a capo on there, I'll just tune rough without the capo and
"fuss" with the capo on. What's the point of tuning to a gnat's ass without
the capo if the capo's going to pull everything out of tune to begin with?
news:emojc8hkfjgv4qd6q...@4ax.com...
adding/subtracting cents more or less arbitrarily to make up for the fact
that his guitar doesn't intonate properly. If he really looked into it,
he'd find that the "best" offsets would vary from one guitar to the next.
I *never* tune open strings. What tends to work best for me is to tune
strings fretted at the third fret (assuming I have the guitar intonated as
closely as possible to begin with). That basically makes the closed chords
come out about right. The low E, A, and D will tend to be a little flat
when played open, but so what? I'm playing a lot more fretted notes than
open notes. Most "uncorrectable" intonation issues arise from differences
between those open strings and fretted notes; that, for example, is what
makes the Feiten system actually do what it purports to do.
Once I'm done tuning fretted notes as above, I'll just go through and play a
pile of chords (both "cowboy" and barre) and do little tweaks to get the
best compromise (according to what my ears are telling me, not a tuner).
But I usually don't have to tweak much (if at all).
If I'm gonna slap a capo on there, I'll just tune rough without the capo and
"fuss" with the capo on. What's the point of tuning to a gnat's ass without
the capo if the capo's going to pull everything out of tune to begin with?
Steve Daniels
Dec 13, 2012, 4:38:07 PM12/13/12
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:17:11 -0500, against all advice, something
are gonna move it the most.
>Steve,
>
>>> Have you tried this?
>>
>>
>> No. I always tune low to high so that the four, five, and six
>> strings don't pull the one, two, and three strings flat.
>
> I don't follow you. What does low to high mean here? It sounds as if you
>are describing the sequence in which you tune strings rather than tuning
>flat or sharp.
Precisely. That neck's gonna move, and it's the fat strings that
>
>>> Have you tried this?
>>
>>
>> No. I always tune low to high so that the four, five, and six
>> strings don't pull the one, two, and three strings flat.
>
> I don't follow you. What does low to high mean here? It sounds as if you
>are describing the sequence in which you tune strings rather than tuning
>flat or sharp.
are gonna move it the most.
Mike Brown
Dec 13, 2012, 5:03:13 PM12/13/12
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In article <85akc89oi8lbd6asb...@4ax.com>,
I just use a tuner and keep going until all of the strings are stable.
How long that takes depends on which guitar it is.
MJRB
How long that takes depends on which guitar it is.
MJRB
Stompanoogie
Dec 13, 2012, 5:54:13 PM12/13/12
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440.
David Hajicek
Dec 13, 2012, 8:02:54 PM12/13/12
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news:6n9kc8dslv00n9ln9...@4ax.com...
I tune all the strings right on as open. Then retune at the fifth (and 4th)
frets. Then check harmonics on the three E notes. Pretty fast and it
sounds decent.
If you are playing with a group of people, straight tuning is usually good
enough.
Dave H
frets. Then check harmonics on the three E notes. Pretty fast and it
sounds decent.
If you are playing with a group of people, straight tuning is usually good
enough.
Dave H
Too Long in the Wasteland
Dec 13, 2012, 8:46:28 PM12/13/12
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:15:51 AM UTC-6, jtees4 wrote:
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
>
> interesting....n
He is obviously in tune with his guitar .... I 'be notice my guitar goes slightly sharp too with a capo on but I am not that anal to fix it! I recall watching Keith Richard's tech talking about tuning his guitars WITH the capo on for taht reason.
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
>
> interesting....n
dsi1
Dec 13, 2012, 9:16:43 PM12/13/12
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octaves because the guitar is an equal-tempered instrument. I use the
same string as reference to eliminate adding up errors. Typically, I'll
tune the strings to the high E but using the open G as reference is also
a good choice. It's a little shocking at how beautiful the tuning sounds
when done this way.
What you say is true: changing the tension of the strings will affect
all the other strings. That's why we usually go through the tuning
procedure at least twice.
Mike Brown
Dec 13, 2012, 11:36:26 PM12/13/12
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In article <vqWdnYr9mZI43lfN...@supernews.com>,
As I've said many times before, my ears are not good enough to argue
with a decent tuner.
MJRB
with a decent tuner.
MJRB
David Hajicek
Dec 14, 2012, 12:47:13 AM12/14/12
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"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
news:kae26h$866$1...@dont-email.me...
Since this also condains an E at the 2nd fret, it can be used to compare to
the opem Es and as harmonics.
Dave
esha...@yahoo.com
Dec 14, 2012, 9:05:26 AM12/14/12
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:15:51 AM UTC-6, jtees4 wrote:
at the nut - just like you do at the bridge,,,, corrected at bothe ends!!.
http://earvana.com/
I've been throught the Fieiten thing and kind of liked it, but its a pain
to tune and setup (even with a strobo stomp)and some things just still
sound sour. The Earvanna nut- while not perfect - is pretty damn good
everywhere. Sweet open chords and bars .. (best I've found). NEW strings
always help also..All my electrics now have it. Strat, LP,Tele. Ed S.
David L. Martel
Dec 14, 2012, 9:37:01 AM12/14/12
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Ok, a new day and another trial. The guitar and strings are now stable.
Did the Taylor tuning. The guitar is flat again. It won't sound good in a
group. Both major and minor chords sound "off"
I didn't try a capo yesterday but I did today. Capoed at the second and
then the fifth fret. Much better. The top 4 strings are fairly in tune and
sound good. The bottom 2 strings are still audibly flat. Because of the
bottom 2 strings chords still sound "off".
This was done on a Tacoma Chief using D'addario Phos-Bronze Lt. Gauge. The
capo was a Dunlop 12 string "rubber-band" type.
I went back to my usual tuning which is within +/- 2 cents of the desired
note.
Dave M.
Did the Taylor tuning. The guitar is flat again. It won't sound good in a
group. Both major and minor chords sound "off"
I didn't try a capo yesterday but I did today. Capoed at the second and
then the fifth fret. Much better. The top 4 strings are fairly in tune and
sound good. The bottom 2 strings are still audibly flat. Because of the
bottom 2 strings chords still sound "off".
This was done on a Tacoma Chief using D'addario Phos-Bronze Lt. Gauge. The
capo was a Dunlop 12 string "rubber-band" type.
I went back to my usual tuning which is within +/- 2 cents of the desired
note.
Dave M.
jtees4
Dec 14, 2012, 1:34:32 PM12/14/12
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back. It's hard to believe it could work, just seems convincing and
sounds so spot on in JTaylors video. I would guess that every guitar
has it's own exact tuning "offset" that would sound correct for that
guitar, based on strings, action etc. etc. etc. lots of variables. Jt
has his set up for his guitar and it works for him.
dsi1
Dec 14, 2012, 3:02:03 PM12/14/12
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On 12/13/2012 7:47 PM, David Hajicek wrote:
>
> I do a similar thing, usually using the open D string as the reference.
> Since this also condains an E at the 2nd fret, it can be used to compare to
> the opem Es and as harmonics.
>
> Dave
>
>
I will try this. I think that it would work out fine.
>
> I do a similar thing, usually using the open D string as the reference.
> Since this also condains an E at the 2nd fret, it can be used to compare to
> the opem Es and as harmonics.
>
> Dave
>
>
Steve Freides
Dec 14, 2012, 6:30:42 PM12/14/12
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where changing any string more than a little can make the whole guitar
go out of tune. On many guitars that are sufficiently robust, you can
tune any which way you want. String guage can make a difference, too.
IOW, what you're saying is true in theory but in practice it only
applies to some guitars.
Tuning is black magic, anyway - if it's close enough to sound good to
you and everyone else, it's close enough.
-S-
David L. Martel
Dec 14, 2012, 6:41:44 PM12/14/12
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Jtee,
I was really skeptical when he tuned his guitar but then he strummed. It
sounded great. I had to try it. It doesn't suit my guitar. Thanks for
posting it
Dave M.
I was really skeptical when he tuned his guitar but then he strummed. It
sounded great. I had to try it. It doesn't suit my guitar. Thanks for
posting it
Dave M.
Mike Brown
Dec 15, 2012, 12:19:18 AM12/15/12
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In article <kag0jt$p8s$1...@dont-email.me>,
If I have no tuner available I always tune low E, then E 2nd fret fourth
string, then high E. I then balance the other strings between them by
fretting adjacent strings, go back and re check as necessary.
MJRB
string, then high E. I then balance the other strings between them by
fretting adjacent strings, go back and re check as necessary.
MJRB
dsi1
Dec 15, 2012, 1:48:59 AM12/15/12
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On 12/14/2012 7:19 PM, Mike Brown wrote:
>
> If I have no tuner available I always tune low E, then E 2nd fret fourth
> string, then high E. I then balance the other strings between them by
> fretting adjacent strings, go back and re check as necessary.
> MJRB
>
That sounds perfectly reasonable. You might want to try tuning the
>
> If I have no tuner available I always tune low E, then E 2nd fret fourth
> string, then high E. I then balance the other strings between them by
> fretting adjacent strings, go back and re check as necessary.
> MJRB
>
strings to the same note. What you're doing is dividing the guitar
tuning into three matching sets of octaves. If you're tuning it to other
notes, the octaves won't match. It's a startling effect, at least for
me, it is.
Carl
Dec 15, 2012, 6:22:33 AM12/15/12
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some of this tuning stuff...
http://paraglider.hubpages.com/hub/Equal-Temperament-Guitar-Tuning
and this article by Peterson (ie. Peterson Strobe Tuners) will shed even
more light on the Taylor video...
http://www.petersontuners.com/index.cfm?category=85&sub=59
Les Cargill
Dec 15, 2012, 1:27:54 PM12/15/12
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temperament for pedal steel. I tend to put mine at straight up ET.
Here's one example:
http://www.b0b.com/infoedu/just_e9.html
--
Les Cargill
Stratovarius
Dec 15, 2012, 11:03:22 PM12/15/12
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On 12/13/2012 09:15 AM, jtees4 wrote:
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
I'm just a beginner but I tune on fret positions not on open strings.
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
The predictable result of course is flatter open strings but I don't
have to bother with backward calibration, "the signal is the control".
Tony Done
Dec 16, 2012, 3:27:46 AM12/16/12
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On 14 Dec, 00:15, jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
> electric:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
It isn't an approach I would use. My choice to achieve the much same
result would be:
Tune with the capo on.
Use the same picking technique for tuning as you would for playing.
I would also have mentioned "tune, yank, retune...."
I think there is also something to be said for tuning by ear to get a
particular tonal quality, especially on open tunings. For example, I
would do that, then see how close I am on the 2-octave spread on the
1st and 6th string, and retune as necessary.
Tony D
jtees4
Dec 16, 2012, 12:06:33 PM12/16/12
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octaves and/or chords,....it's never in great tune until I do
that....but in the end it works out fine. I'm pretty sure I end up
with the open low e (thickest) a bit flat to sound right, but I never
measured it.
*************
Some of my music:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
Les Cargill
Dec 16, 2012, 12:41:10 PM12/16/12
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jtees4 wrote:
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
> electric:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
> *************
> NEW SONG UP!!!:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>
I have tried a set of offsets now on three guitars. It seems
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
> electric:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
> *************
> NEW SONG UP!!!:
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>
to work - I don't perceive them as flat, and they sound good.
It's not very obvious. It sounds different from "exactly" ET, but
it's not easy to say how it's different.
I suppose it's a little like stretch tuning for piano.
--
Les Cargill
Steve Daniels
Dec 16, 2012, 2:34:02 PM12/16/12
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:27:46 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
something compelled Tony Done <tony...@bigpond.com>, to say:
>
>I would also have mentioned "tune, yank, retune...."
Hard to do in public; illegal in most jurisdictions.
something compelled Tony Done <tony...@bigpond.com>, to say:
>
>I would also have mentioned "tune, yank, retune...."
Tom from Texas
Dec 16, 2012, 4:31:26 PM12/16/12
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On Dec 13, 8:15 am, jtees4 <jte...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
> electric:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
> *************
> NEW SONG UP!!!:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
What is this tuning of which yall speak? My theory is if yall can't
> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
> electric:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
> *************
> NEW SONG UP!!!:http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
find the right note somewhere on the fretboard, ye just ain't
tryin'.
Tom (ear? what ear?) from Texas
Mike Brown
Dec 16, 2012, 5:21:51 PM12/16/12
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In article
<0aaef461-7486-444e...@x3g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
I do that too, but I didn't like to use the word in case I offended some
of our transatlantic bretheren. <g>
MJRB
<0aaef461-7486-444e...@x3g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
of our transatlantic bretheren. <g>
MJRB
Tony Done
Dec 16, 2012, 11:42:22 PM12/16/12
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On 17 Dec, 05:34, Steve Daniels <sdani...@gorge.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:27:46 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
> something compelled Tony Done <tonyd...@bigpond.com>, to say:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:27:46 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
>
>
>
> >I would also have mentioned "tune, yank, retune...."
>
> Hard to do in public; illegal in most jurisdictions.
And Mike. LOL. I needed a laugh.
>
>
> >I would also have mentioned "tune, yank, retune...."
>
> Hard to do in public; illegal in most jurisdictions.
Tony D
Steve Freides
Dec 17, 2012, 8:31:19 AM12/17/12
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know how he tunes differently, if at all, when he's not using a capo,
since a lot his reasoning still should apply.
-S-
esha...@yahoo.com
Dec 17, 2012, 10:20:09 AM12/17/12
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Les Cargill
Dec 17, 2012, 1:34:31 PM12/17/12
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Steve Freides wrote:
> Les Cargill wrote:
>> jtees4 wrote:
>>> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
>>> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
>>> electric:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
>>> *************
>>> NEW SONG UP!!!:
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have tried a set of offsets now on three guitars. It seems
>> to work - I don't perceive them as flat, and they sound good.
>> It's not very obvious. It sounds different from "exactly" ET, but
>> it's not easy to say how it's different.
>>
>> I suppose it's a little like stretch tuning for piano.
>
> Yes, it is, although for different reasons as he states it.
I did not take him perfectly literally on that subject. That seemed
> Les Cargill wrote:
>> jtees4 wrote:
>>> You folks may be aware of this, I never heard of it and found it very
>>> interesting....not sure how it translates between acoustic and
>>> electric:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xnXArjPts
>>> *************
>>> NEW SONG UP!!!:
>>> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have tried a set of offsets now on three guitars. It seems
>> to work - I don't perceive them as flat, and they sound good.
>> It's not very obvious. It sounds different from "exactly" ET, but
>> it's not easy to say how it's different.
>>
>> I suppose it's a little like stretch tuning for piano.
>
> Yes, it is, although for different reasons as he states it.
more an "and it helps with a capo."
I'd like to
> know how he tunes differently, if at all, when he's not using a capo,
> since a lot his reasoning still should apply.
>
> -S-
>
>
no flatness and no wolf tones. Only problem is that my
tuner really doesn't read cents; it's a Boss TU-12H
and 10 cents is about ... 1/8" of an inch. That's about
fiveish needle widths, so...
I would like to also try it on a Danelectro ( non-Jerry Jones,
one of the 2000ish cheap reissues ) 12 string. I'd also like to double
a part, one with, one without to see if it gets ugly that way.
Dunno if this will be my default from now on, but it might
be a tactic to use when the intonation feels off. It sounds pretty
good.
Like I was saying, there's all kind of offset tunings for steel,
and I *don't* like them. But for 6 string it seems like a win.
--
Les Cargill
jtees4
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