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El Queso
get eaten by dogs and crapped onto a sidewalk. Seriously though - I wish
them all death.
Queso
Dave Lalonde
notbob
I'll second that! I've taken an oath to never buy another new CD,
ever. Fuck the RIAA, the copyright Nazis, and the whole greedy
scumsucking recording/entertainment industry. I'll record the music
on an old ree-to-reel off the radio if I have to, but not one more
fucking cent to these scumbags that have turned music lovers into
felons. May they all get HIV and die from buttfucking their clients
and customers.
BTW, I hope I don't get none on my shoe.
nb
RA
"notbob"
not one more fucking cent to these scumbags that have turned music lovers into
> felons.
Maybe you've always been a felon.. and they're just getting around
to pointing it out?
They turned you into a felon? You had no idea that stealing another
person's intellectual property was wrong?
At least the people who steal cars and rob houses don't whine
about being 'mislabed' as criminals, when they are actually
honorable 'automobile enthusiasts' and 'connoisseurs of other peoples property'.
If you don't like the way record companies market music, you have the right
to 'not buy' their product... but you have no right to take it.
Making up bullshit excuses and rationalizations
about why you have a right to steal their intellectual property is a lame
attempt by a phony loser to excuse his thievery.
best regards,
RA
notbob
> If you don't like the way record companies market music, you have the right
> to 'not buy' their product... but you have no right to take it.
Oh, so only the companies have the right to take it, like they've done
to thousands of artists who've died in poverty because they've been
fucked out of their own creations.
> Making up bullshit excuses and rationalizations
> about why you have a right to steal their intellectual property....
What intellectual property? I've never heard a recording industry
executive originate a single note. And as soon as you show me
one artist who's work has sprung absolutely pure from his virgin brain without
building on the work of previous artists, I'll kiss his ass ...and buy
his cd.
You gonna put me in jail for recording a copy of a cd I've already
paid for? Well, then fuck you, too. As for copyright law, you best
read up on it. It's origins are based on a legal agreement between
the artist and the public on the legal rights of the artist. You
starts fuckin' the public in the ass and the agreement is going to be
rescinded.
nb
El Queso
> Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
OK. I hope they are systematicaly gang-raped by rabid gorillas, then
tortured to death by CIA trained experts.
Queso
El Queso
> In article <YPWsa.1875$231.1249@fed1read04>, El Queso wrote:
>
>>Corporate cowards who care nothing for bands or music. I hope they all
>>get eaten by dogs and crapped onto a sidewalk. Seriously though - I wish
>>them all death.
>
>
> I'll second that! I've taken an oath to never buy another new CD,
> ever.
Support bands by buying their CD from them at a live show. Those copies
get 100% profit to the band. Otherwise - I agree.
Queso
El Queso
> "notbob"
>
> not one more fucking cent to these scumbags that have turned music lovers into
>
>>felons.
>
>
>
>
> Maybe you've always been a felon.. and they're just getting around
> to pointing it out?
Copyright infringment is not a felony.
>
> They turned you into a felon? You had no idea that stealing another
> person's intellectual property was wrong?
Funny - when I taped TV shows, it was ok with everyone.
>
> At least the people who steal cars and rob houses don't whine
> about being 'mislabed' as criminals,
If you can copy my car and take it without effecting the original - you
can have it.
when they are actually
> honorable 'automobile enthusiasts' and 'connoisseurs of other peoples property'.
You are arguing apples and oranges. You can't copy a car, so if you
steal it - someone else is deprived of it.
>
> If you don't like the way record companies market music, you have the right
> to 'not buy' their product... but you have no right to take it.
Rights are irrelevant. People have the ability and the opportunity to
copy music, so they do.
>
> Making up bullshit excuses and rationalizations
> about why you have a right to steal their intellectual property is a lame
> attempt by a phony loser to excuse his thievery.
So, have you ever taped a tv show, movie, or song off the radio? If so,
you are a total hypocrite. Your logic is flawed and you are a dumbass
for siding with the rapists of our culture. Fly that pirate flag high
and proud.
Queso
>
> best regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
> In article <kMZsa.42037$U94....@fe06.atl2.webusenet.com>, RA wrote:
>
>
>>If you don't like the way record companies market music, you have the right
>>to 'not buy' their product... but you have no right to take it.
>
>
> Oh, so only the companies have the right to take it, like they've done
> to thousands of artists who've died in poverty because they've been
> fucked out of their own creations.
Some people mistake tradition for morality. Those people are idiots.
>
>
>>Making up bullshit excuses and rationalizations
>>about why you have a right to steal their intellectual property....
>
>
> What intellectual property? I've never heard a recording industry
> executive originate a single note.
Here we go down the slippery slope. Don't ask the defenders of the RIAA
to justify the RIAA's crimes against art - they will simply attack you
and call you a criminal. It's like telling someone their religion is a
cult - even if they KNOW it's true - they'll never admit it to you.
And as soon as you show me
> one artist who's work has sprung absolutely pure from his virgin brain without
> building on the work of previous artists, I'll kiss his ass ...and buy
> his cd.
>
> You gonna put me in jail for recording a copy of a cd I've already
> paid for?
If that would help to hide the guilt of the industry or the real reasons
they are losing money - yes, they would put you in jail.
Well, then fuck you, too. As for copyright law, you best
> read up on it. It's origins are based on a legal agreement between
> the artist and the public on the legal rights of the artist. You
> starts fuckin' the public in the ass and the agreement is going to be
> rescinded.
I don't agree with you there. The assfucking the public gets is govt.
subsidized. The "public" is comprised primarily of unquestioning sheep
that will gladly follow any shepherd into the slaughterhouse as long as
they are promised safety and comfort. Don't try to convince the sheep
that the slaughterhouse is near - just do what you like and the hell
with anyone who is stupid enough to buy the shepherd's lies. People like
us will be rockin' free music long after they're nothing but mutton and
wool.
Queso
>
> nb
RA
> to thousands of artists who've died in poverty because they've been
> fucked out of their own creations.
The artists agreed to the deals. They could have held out for a better one
and made their living as a live performer. The record companies couldn't
take any of that money.
>>You gonna put me in jail for recording a copy of a cd I've already
paid for? Well, then fuck you, too. <<
Nobody cares if you do that.
It's only when you give it to other people, or take it from other people.
It's not yours to give or take.
regards,
RA
RA
> steal it - someone else is deprived of it.
> Rights are irrelevant. People have the ability and the opportunity to
> copy music, so they do.
Rights are irrelevant? Unless someone violates your rights, of course.
You phony.
Music is intellectual property. If everyone 'traded' it, it is the same as
stealing your 'original' car. You are depriving the owner of their
right to the revenue from their creation.
regards,
RA
Guncho
chris
Rev Jim
Artistic expression belongs to everyone.
El Queso
>>Oh, so only the companies have the right to take it, like they've done
>>to thousands of artists who've died in poverty because they've been
>>fucked out of their own creations.
>
>
> The artists agreed to the deals.
So do prostitutes - it doesn't make pimping ok.
They could have held out for a better one
> and made their living as a live performer. The record companies couldn't
> take any of that money.
You have no clue about promotion, do you?
>
>
>
>>>You gonna put me in jail for recording a copy of a cd I've already
>>
> paid for? Well, then fuck you, too. <<
>
>
> Nobody cares if you do that.
> It's only when you give it to other people, or take it from other people.
> It's not yours to give or take.
Wrong - it IS theirs to give if they want to. You just don't like it.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
>>You are arguing apples and oranges. You can't copy a car, so if you
>>steal it - someone else is deprived of it.
>
>
>>Rights are irrelevant. People have the ability and the opportunity to
>>copy music, so they do.
>
>
>
> Rights are irrelevant? Unless someone violates your rights, of course.
> You phony.
People have no rights, go to the jungle and see if I'm wrong - nature
doesn't give a fuck about human words and thoughts. People have
conditions imposed by society. You call me a phony, but you have the
right to say that under the conditions of safe distance. If the
condition were different, and you were looking me in the eye - you
wouldn't have the balls to express yourself, regardless of your "rights"
to do so.
>
> Music is intellectual property.
Of the RIAA, right? Of the record companies, right? That's why artists
usually make less than 50 cents per CD, right? What about the artists
who are dead? What about the artists (like the Beatles) who don't even
own their own publishing rights to most of theit own catalogs? I laugh
at your silly notions and download another CD.
If everyone 'traded' it, it is the same as
> stealing your 'original' car.
No, it isn't. You having a copy of my car does not disable me from using
my car. If people could copy cars - it'd be the auto companies crying,
not the consumers.
I guess you just like to cuddle up to big daddy business and let him
tell you how the world is, huh? Tell me again about the bad pirates that
rob from those nice, white, fat CEO's. Tell me how they ruined it for
everyone by committing the sin of sharing. Tuck me in with another tale
of corporate majesty, daddy. I need a scapegoat to blame my complicated
problems on - tell me more pirate stories, Daddy!
You are depriving the owner of their
> right to the revenue from their creation.
No, you are depriving them only of the profit they would have gotten had
you actualy purchased the CD new. If you buy it used - they get dick,
and that's perfectly legal. Also, you say "the owner" and not the artist
- that isn't a mistake - think about it. Every finely crafted woman of
an album is nothing but a cheap whore to the music industry.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
RA
right to say that under the conditions of safe distance. If the
condition were different, and you were looking me in the eye - you
wouldn't have the balls to express yourself, regardless of your "rights"
to do so."<<
I've got no fear of loudmouth punks, real world or otherwise.
Especially obviously stupid ones.
I don't initiate violence.. but have had more than my share thrust
upon me.. and no one has ever lasted 10 seconds.
I wish we were eye to eye so I could watch you punk out
and keep on blathering with your dumb ass viewpoints.
regards,
RA
G P Thibault
cheque for almost a grand every 3 months and now it's nothing.
On the promotional side it's a good tool. I've gotten free guitars,
amps, strings, and international artricles written about me. If I wasn't
promoting on mp3.com none of that would have happened.
G P THIBAULT
www.mp3.com/littlebastard
"Life is a terminal disease, live each day like it's your last, cause it
might be"
"El Queso" <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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RA
> Well said.
Well said?
You have the nerve to critisize 'corporate cowards', when you scumbags
are simply using them as an excuse to steal the music of the bands that
you dare to claim to care so much about?
At least a lot of bands are rich because of the money the record companies
helped them earn. What do the bands get from you?
They get shit. You steal their work and they get nothing.
Who are the real cowards and phonies?
regards,
RA
Francesco
can you really consider any of those dumb puppets showing up on the
billboard charts an artist?
I know hundreds of talented musicians (in any genre) earning their money
from live performance because they can sell thousands of records at
maximum. They couldn't care less of the mp3 threat, they're happy
because technology found a way to deliver music to the people without
being affected by marketing or business strategies.
Who cares if Britney or Metallica won't be receiving $100000 per month
for doing nothing?
RA
"Francesco" <ce...@lowprofile1.com> wrote in message news:Htbta.69371$K35.2...@news2.tin.it...
This is America. People have the right to succeed.
If artists want to give away their music, they have that right..
but it has zero to do with artists who DON'T want to give it away.
It's not for you to decide who deserves to have their music stolen.
The arguments are all mere rationalizations by thieving scumbags
eager to make excuses for being worthless pieces of shit.
regards,
RA
Rafeek
<""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote:
>People have no rights, go to the jungle and see if I'm wrong - nature
>doesn't give a fuck about human words and thoughts. People have
>conditions imposed by society. You call me a phony, but you have the
With that logic, we should all just kill each other...
Cecou
it ain't nothing to do with "what is America", it's about music and
artistic creativity and the business around it,
that's a global question, a human and cultural one,
nothing you can impose with your imperial bush-istic attitude to other
people
> The arguments are all mere rationalizations
the fact is I don't want no rationalizations, there's a place for law
and order, but it's not what I believe to be the essence of artistic
expression and the reasons of such a passion
> thieving scumbags
> eager to make excuses for being worthless pieces of shit
should I be afraid of your egotistic fascist asshole now?
I am not
goodnight
RA
> > The arguments are all mere rationalizations
>
> the fact is I don't want no rationalizations, there's a place for law
> and order, but it's not what I believe to be the essence of artistic
> expression and the reasons of such a passion
If you don't want rationalizations, you should stop presenting them and just
admit that you are a cheap bastard who prefers stealing things to paying for them
and that you steal the music because you don't think that you will be held responsible
for doing so.
regards,
Lars
El Queso
>>>"You call me a phony, but you have the
>>
> right to say that under the conditions of safe distance. If the
> condition were different, and you were looking me in the eye - you
> wouldn't have the balls to express yourself, regardless of your "rights"
> to do so."<<
>
>
> I've got no fear of loudmouth punks, real world or otherwise.
> Especially obviously stupid ones.
Is that what you taell your dad while you sodomize him? You're such a bitch.
>
> I don't initiate violence.. but have had more than my share thrust
> upon me.. and no one has ever lasted 10 seconds.
That's cause you suck so good, amd swallow every drop.
>
> I wish we were eye to eye so I could watch you punk out
> and keep on blathering with your dumb ass viewpoints.
You just wanna be near a man, instead of under one for a change.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
Nature has no pity. Societies do.
Queso
El Queso
Right after you admit that you gave Lars Ulrich a blumpkin.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> Lars
>
>
Rafeek
<""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Rafeek wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 May 2003 00:42:37 -0700, El Queso
>> <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>People have no rights, go to the jungle and see if I'm wrong - nature
>>>doesn't give a fuck about human words and thoughts. People have
>>>conditions imposed by society. You call me a phony, but you have the
>>
>>
>> With that logic, we should all just kill each other...
>
>Nature has no pity. Societies do.
>Queso
Why didn't you just come out and say that you were an anarchist?
El Queso
>
>>>Corporate cowards who care nothing for bands or music. I hope they all
>>>get eaten by dogs and crapped onto a sidewalk. Seriously though - I wish
>>>them all death.
>>>Queso
>>>
>>
>>Well said.
>
>
>
> Well said?
>
> You have the nerve to critisize 'corporate cowards', when you scumbags
> are simply using them as an excuse to steal the music of the bands that
> you dare to claim to care so much about?
Listen, dumbfuck. MP3.com is a site that PROVIDES free music downloads.
They are corporate scum because they don't care at all about the bands
they supposedly promote. It has nothing to do with the piracy issue. The
fact that you can't tell simply shows you for the slack-jawed
anklegrabber you are.
>
> At least a lot of bands are rich because of the money the record companies
> helped them earn.
Lots of child prostitutes have money because of their pimps - what have
YOU done for those poor gals, stupid? Slaves used to be fed by their
owners, do you know how much suffering abolition caused? (sarcasm)
> What do the bands get from you?
Revenue from live shows and merchandise - you know, the way bands have
always had to make their money because the record companies fuck them.
That's right though - you don't care about the artist - just the owner.
What a total punk you are. A punk bitch. A cowardly, punk bitch who'd
suck a CEO's cock in a heartbeat just because he said he owned your mouth.
>
> They get shit.
They get shit from the record companies.
>You steal their work and they get nothing.
You are truly a short sighted imbecile. Take the band Melt Banana (from
Tokyo) - I own 1 legit CD (bought from them at a show for 12 bux), and 5
copies of other CDs. I have seen them twice at about 10 bux a piece.
They got 7.50 per ticket. The royalties THEY get from a CD sale is about
30 cents. I bought 2 of their shirts at 12 bux each. If I'd have bought
ALL the CDs I own at CD stores - the band would have made about 2 bux.
As it happened - they made 51 bux. Are you starting to understand now,
stupid? If you simply buy 1 shirt, ticket, or CD from a band at a show -
they'll make more money than if you buy 20 of their CDs at a store. But
let's face it - you don't give a fuck about the bands, you're here to
defend the way they get fucked by the labels and distribution chain. You
feel powerful defending the questionable morality of corporate crooks by
attacking people you'll never meet over something you have nothing to do
with. You are a pathetic bitch.
>
> Who are the real cowards and phonies?
You are. An intellectual coward, and a phony moralist. You are simply an
impotent whiner crying about something further out of your control than
even your bladder. Suck a cock, you fuckin' cumdumpster. You're the type
of douchebag that was defending McCarthy in the fifties. We'll tar and
feather your bitch ass with the RIAA scumbags, and run you out of town
on a rail. What a cunt you are.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
> "Francesco" <ce...@lowprofile1.com> wrote in message news:Htbta.69371$K35.2...@news2.tin.it...
>
>>Oh com'on RA,
>>can you really consider any of those dumb puppets showing up on the
>>billboard charts an artist?
>>I know hundreds of talented musicians (in any genre) earning their money
>> from live performance because they can sell thousands of records at
>>maximum. They couldn't care less of the mp3 threat, they're happy
>>because technology found a way to deliver music to the people without
>>being affected by marketing or business strategies.
>>Who cares if Britney or Metallica won't be receiving $100000 per month
>>for doing nothing?
>>
>
>
> This is America. People have the right to succeed.
No, there is a system in place to make sure that the lion's share of any
potential success is diverted to rich, white men.
>
> If artists want to give away their music, they have that right..
> but it has zero to do with artists who DON'T want to give it away.
>
> It's not for you to decide who deserves to have their music stolen.
Actually, it is. It is up to me to determine what I'll download.
> The arguments are all mere rationalizations by thieving scumbags
> eager to make excuses for being worthless pieces of shit.
Just because your dad stole your anal virginity - it's no reason to be
such a pathetic bitch.
Queso
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
RA
Tokyo) - I own 1 legit CD (bought from them at a show for 12 bux), and 5
copies of other CDs. <<
Oh, how wonderful, you bought a CD from them, so now you can steal as much
of their music as you like.
I'd love to see your house get ripped off. The thief would of course have plenty
of good reasons why it was OK, such as he 'couldn't afford' to buy the things
he stole.. or 'you didn't deserve your guitar'.. or whatever bullshit he would make
up to justify being a dirtbag.. but you'd know better than I what he might think,
since you're such a phony thieving scumbag yourself.
best regards,
RA
Artists Management
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Artists Management
since just last July.
Yeah, there is a ton of traffic and you are missing out on it. Whining like
a little bitch cause they aren't paying the artists anymore, but since they
weren't making money paying out $1 Million a month, you can't misunderstand
unless you are just stupid.
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El Queso
>>>You are truly a short sighted imbecile. Take the band Melt Banana (from
>>
> Tokyo) - I own 1 legit CD (bought from them at a show for 12 bux), and 5
> copies of other CDs. <<
>
>
> Oh, how wonderful, you bought a CD from them, so now you can steal as much
> of their music as you like.
No - I was answering your question of what do we contribute to the
bands. Are you confused about that?
>
> I'd love to see your house get ripped off.
Of course you would. I have made you look like the idiot you are, and
now you wish misery on me. You must feel real frustrated at being so
totally impotent to regulate the behaviour of others.
The thief would of course have plenty
> of good reasons why it was OK,
I'd simply shoot him in the head for taking my non-renuable resources.
If he could copy my stuff and leave the original alone - I'd let him
have all he wanted. Just like you let any stranger you meet have their
share of your asshole.
such as he 'couldn't afford' to buy the things
> he stole.. or 'you didn't deserve your guitar'.. or whatever bullshit he would make
> up to justify being a dirtbag.. but you'd know better than I what he might think,
> since you're such a phony thieving scumbag yourself.
You lie on your belly while hobo after hobo takes his turn pissing up
your prolapsed rectum. If you're gonna make up stuff in a lame attempt
to push buttons - at least be creative. You are a laughable little
bitch. You scowl and wank on your soapbox - everyone else is laughing at
you.
Queso
>
>
> best regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
> El Quso - dumbass. It's a great place to get heard.
>
> Screw you pal. Enjoy your day job.......
Learn to spell, stupid. I'm sure lots of bands are making great money by
paying MP3.com every month like total idiots. I was on their site when
the pay scale was better, then MP3.com bitched out hard. You see -
someone made a complaint about my page, and MP3.com sent them my
PERSONAL INFO without so much as a bit of legitimate legal reason. They
knuckled under the moment they felt the slightest bit of pressure. They
don't care a bit about the artists - they are corporate scum.
The funny thing is they said they were not going to send me my money
because of the fuss, but then they were so stupid that they didn't send
the message out in time and I got my check and bought a pro soundcard.
LOL! MP3.com are corporate cunts and gutless cowards and I sincerely
hope that they die of cancer. If you represent MP3.com - I hope you are
raped and killed by a pack of necrophiles. www.soundclick.com rules over
MP3.com - free, fast uploads, unlimited song uploads, quick approval -
everything MP3.com lacks.
Queso
Artists Management
for a while too! But I do help the artists - that's what I'm about. The
mp3.com site gets the most traffic so that's where I'm at. I have no loyalty
to it other than it's the place to get heard. Yes, they did chump out the
indie with all of the majors there now, but the traffic is second to none.
It's not about the money - it's about getting heard.
Thanks for making this such a large thread, jeez, I have to give you that
one.
"El Queso" <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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RA
> the pay scale was better, then MP3.com bitched out hard. You see -
> someone made a complaint about my page, and MP3.com sent them my
> PERSONAL INFO without so much as a bit of legitimate legal reason. They
> knuckled under the moment they felt the slightest bit of pressure. They
> don't care a bit about the artists - they are corporate scum.
Gee, funny he doesn't mention what he's so ashamed of that he has to hide it?
Did the evil corporate people object to your kiddie porn?
regards,
RA
El Queso
I never posted those pics of your dad making you give up your anus to a
bunch of homeless guys when you were 3 years old. You harelip makes even
kiddy porn freaks sick to their stomachs, and your oversized head made
me wonder if it was porn or a special fx loop. I was really amazed that
you could deep throat your own disdended rectum at such a young age,
especially in a bathtub full of shit. I guess you were born with a
silver anus in your mouth. Be proud of your gift.
FYI, MP3.com got complaints about the content of one of my songs ( from
a cult I mocked)- a song that is posted at soundclick.com with no
problems at all. So much for free speech and "rights" eh? The douchebag
corporate types objected to my expression, just like you do. Except,
unlike you - you pathetic bitch, they could actually DO something about
it other than deepthroating fresh turds as they extend from the rectums
of strangers. Now go back to your gloryhole and make me some money,
bitch. I just bought you from your dad for a half-pint of ripple, so you
better earn your keep or I'll sell you to some guys who make snuff flix.
I'm sure there's a market for retard-snuff, even when the retard is as
ugly as you. I hear that's what the pres. of the RIAA is all about.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
>
SB
Instead of propagating so much hatred and anger, why don't you create your
own site where musicians can post their tunes and get paid for the traffic
they generate, and drive those "corporate cowards" out of business? Send me
the URL when it's ready....
SB
"El Queso" <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote in message
RA
> corporate types objected to my expression, just like you do.
Funny how YOUR 'free speech' is so sacred..
but anyone else who cares to express an opinion gets a long
monologue containing all your sexually perverted fantasies?
No, I guess it's not surprising, coming from such a hypocritical phony?
regards,
RA
RA
>
> Instead of propagating so much hatred and anger, why don't you create your
> own site where musicians can post their tunes and get paid for the traffic
> they generate, and drive those "corporate cowards" out of business? Send me
> the URL when it's ready....
>
> SB
Shhh.. don't disturb his fantasy world where everything is free.
He sits around picking lunch off the hamburger tree while he listens to his free music.
Watch him 'threaten' to start such a site now.. of course, you may have to wait
awhile to get paid. You see, his high standards only apply to others.
He believes it is nobler to give than to receive, as long as he's doing the receiving.
regards,
RA
El Queso
> Hey The Cheese,
>
> Instead of propagating so much hatred and anger, why don't you create your
> own site where musicians can post their tunes and get paid for the traffic
> they generate, and drive those "corporate cowards" out of business?
Because I'm a guitar player - not a businessman or a web designer. Why
don't you run for president and fix the US's problems? Why don't you
design better seeds so Monsanto can't screw the farmers. Why don't you
make a better retail chain, so Wal-mart stops raping the labor force.
Why don't you plant trees to help fight deforestation?
Why? Because that isn't what you do, and that fact does not disable
you from having an opinion on the subject.
Queso
El Queso
> So much for free speech and "rights" eh? The douchebag
>
>>corporate types objected to my expression, just like you do.
>
>
>
> Funny how YOUR 'free speech' is so sacred..
You're the one who called free speech sacred. I said people have no real
rights, just agreements. Funny how your memory couldn't contain that fact.
> but anyone else who cares to express an opinion gets a long
> monologue containing all your sexually perverted fantasies?
You tried to be insulting, I was more insulting and funnier. What're
you? Jelous?
>
>
> No, I guess it's not surprising, coming from such a hypocritical phony?
Since the offered evidence of my hypocricy is a bullshit strawman tactic
designed to make people forget what was ACTUALLY written - you haven't
actually proven anything opther than the fact that you are a coward who
needs to make up an arguement because he can't debate what is presented
with any degree of cogency. In other words - shut up, you ignorant bitch
- you don't understand what a hypocrite even is - go buy a dictionary.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
>>Hey The Cheese,
>>
>>Instead of propagating so much hatred and anger, why don't you create your
>>own site where musicians can post their tunes and get paid for the traffic
>>they generate, and drive those "corporate cowards" out of business? Send me
>>the URL when it's ready....
>>
>>SB
>
>
>
> Shhh.. don't disturb his fantasy world where everything is free.
Strawman tactic. I never issued this opinion - you are inventing things
to attribute to me because you cannot argue against what I've actually
written. That's what stupid people do.
> He sits around picking lunch off the hamburger tree while he listens to his free music.
You sit around making strwmen to fortify your inability to debate. You
invent obvious lies and attribute them to your opponent, because you
have no answers to what is actually there.
>
> Watch him 'threaten' to start such a site now..
Again - you're stupid. The Queso in your puny mind is nothing at all
like the real thing.
of course, you may have to wait
> awhile to get paid.
Again - a hypothetical statement is treated as a fact, and an
extrapolation is made - that is what stupid people o.
> You see, his high standards only apply to others.
Since you have invented any standards attributed to me (as I have not
discussed them myself) you must be psychic, right? No? You're just
making stuff up? Oh, how stupid.
> He believes it is nobler to give than to receive, as long as he's doing the receiving.
I believe that you are so weak minded that you could never ASK a
perceived opponent what they thought, instead choosing to invent
falsehoods and then propagate them as facts. Your idiocy is typical
human idiocy, and is a good portion of what is wrong with the world.
When you can't oversimplify with vague generalities - you make up
outright lies about the opposition, rather than admit ANY level of lack
of certainty. A typical dogmatic, rigid, boring clod.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
>
RA
> >
> > Instead of propagating so much hatred and anger, why don't you create your
> > own site where musicians can post their tunes and get paid for the traffic
> > they generate, and drive those "corporate cowards" out of business?
>
> Because I'm a guitar player - not a businessman or a web designer.
Don't sell yourself short.. you're also a phony thieving scumbag.
regards,
RA
El Queso
>>>You are truly a short sighted imbecile. Take the band Melt Banana (from
>>
> Tokyo) - I own 1 legit CD (bought from them at a show for 12 bux), and 5
> copies of other CDs. <<
>
>
> Oh, how wonderful, you bought a CD from them,
1 CD, 2 shirts, and 2 tickets.
so now you can steal as much
> of their music as you like.
The justification is yours. I simply gave you the actual facts that
disporved your particular arguemet that pirates contribute NOTHING to
the band. I showed you how I downloaded the lion's share of a band's
catalog and they STILL made more cash from me than if I bought their CDs
in a store. As I see it - the band is down $1.80 and up about $50. Now
gop back to constructing your crude strawmen in a desperate attempt to
be right.
Queso
El Queso
Your dad sold you fair and square for a half-pint of ripple. Don't be
bitter, little bitch - just go lay on your belly at the bus station and
make me some money. I didn't steal you, bitch - I bought you, bitch.
Understand, bitch? I'm using the word so often so you learn to pronounce
that tattoo on your forehead.
Face it - your attempts to be insulting are as pathetic as that
harelipped, hydrocephalic head of yours with the permanent string of
semen-tainted drool extending from your lumpy, encrusted chin. Your
flames have all the heat of corpse in the ground. You're stunted and
incapable of designing creative or effective insults. Back to the
gloryhole for you.
Queso
>
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
RA
>You're stunted and incapable of designing creative or effective insults. <
I am not interested in sitting here and describing a litany of foul acts.
Acts that, by the way, you seem very familiar with?
It is not necessary. I can just state the truth.
The truth is that you are a thieving scumbag who thinks that since you
bought something from someone, you have the right to dictate what else
of their property you are eligible to steal.
You moan; "I didn't steal you, bitch - I bought you, bitch."
.. yet you yourself admit that you also stole from these innocent musicians.
We can assume that this incident, since the story came from you, is an example
of you at your best. I think we can be assured that many other groups were not
so lucky as to have you purchase something from them before you ripped them off.
Go ahead and babble incoherently about your imagined perverted sex acts now.
I have no such need to embellish the situation. I have the truth..
and the truth is that you are a thieving scumbag.
regards,
RA
ruel24
Look, I've downloaded a few songs, but I've also bought some CD's too.
Bottom line: the music industry is in the toilet because the music sucks.
People have made cassettes for their friends from way back when. It isn't
anything new. If the music industry wants to sell me something, sell me
something with more than one pathetic song on the album!
I'll qualify what I said about music of today sucking, because there are
good bands like Widespread Panic out there making good tunes. However, the
stuff you see in the mainstream that the music companies bank on sucks and
people aren't buying it.
I just got an earful recently of Bruce Springstein's new album and I'm going
to go _pay_ for it. It's worth my money. That's what I'll pay for. Every
one-hit-wonder out there can just eat shit because they receive a pittance
for their efforts anyway. The record companies get the lion's share of the
revenue and they're killing the industry. I'll support bands that make good
music and put more than one good song on a CD.
Think of mp3's as a way to promote the bands. It's that we're listening to
the mp3's and such and we go and see these bands when they come to town.
THAT'S where they make the bulk share of their money - by touring.
--
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There's only one...
SB
> Because I'm a guitar player - not a businessman or a web designer. Why
> don't you run for president and fix the US's problems? Why don't you
> design better seeds so Monsanto can't screw the farmers. Why don't you
> make a better retail chain, so Wal-mart stops raping the labor force.
> Why don't you plant trees to help fight deforestation?
> Why? Because that isn't what you do, and that fact does not disable
> you from having an opinion on the subject.
> Queso
Well, you were the one complaining about it, not me.
SB
El Queso
>>You're stunted and incapable of designing creative or effective insults. <
>
>
>
> I am not interested in sitting here and describing a litany of foul acts.
> Acts that, by the way, you seem very familiar with?
What can I say - I saw your home movies.
>
>
> It is not necessary. I can just state the truth.
And you can also make up lies and call them facts without offering proof
that your opposition ever uttered them.
> The truth is that you are a thieving scumbag who thinks that since you
> bought something from someone, you have the right to dictate what else
> of their property you are eligible to steal.
I have never said I have the "right" to do anything. I have the ability
to download, not the right. You can't seem to comprehend the difference
because you are too intellectually dishonest.
>
> You moan; "I didn't steal you, bitch - I bought you, bitch."
That's not moaning, what your mom did while I fucked her was moaning.
>
> .. yet you yourself admit that you also stole from these innocent musicians.
LOL!!! I also told you the facts - the band made over 50 bux off of me
BECAUSE I like what I downloaded.
>
> We can assume that this incident,
You can assume that trolls rule the earth from space - this doesn't make
it true. You have trouble with assumption VS. reality, don't you?
since the story came from you, is an example
> of you at your best.
Another assumption. This is simply one story of a band who I support AND
still download their music. Something you claim is not possible.
I think we can be assured that many other groups were not
> so lucky as to have you purchase something from them before you ripped them off.
Most groups I have downloaded something from are long dead. Roland Kirk
for example. His family isn't getting DICK from the "owners" of his
music, and he is dead. Why the hell should I pay some greedy douchebag
to rape his corpse?
>
> Go ahead and babble incoherently
Provide me 1 example of my incoherency... I'm waiting... Do you know
what incoherent means? Well, to be fair, very simple things appear quite
incoherent to you.
about your imagined perverted sex acts now.
> I have no such need to embellish the situation. I have the truth..
No, you have assumptions and strawmen. You are just a moralizing
douchebag. Prove to me you aren't a hypocrite - tell me you've never
taped a movie, tv show, or song from the raio or TV. When you can
honestly say that - I'll admit that you aren't a hypocrite. You can't
provide any instance of hypocracy from me - so I'll make it easy on you.
You just need to lie about it and you can stay on your soapbox.
> and the truth is that you are a thieving scumbag.
I TOLD you already - I didn't steal you, I bought you from your alky
dad, you retarded gimp.
Queso
>
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
> RA wrote:
>
>
>>>You're stunted and incapable of designing creative or effective insults.
>>><
>>
>>
>>I am not interested in sitting here and describing a litany of foul acts.
>>Acts that, by the way, you seem very familiar with?
>>
>>
>>It is not necessary. I can just state the truth.
>>The truth is that you are a thieving scumbag who thinks that since you
>>bought something from someone, you have the right to dictate what else
>>of their property you are eligible to steal.
>>
>>You moan; "I didn't steal you, bitch - I bought you, bitch."
>>
>>.. yet you yourself admit that you also stole from these innocent
>>musicians.
>>
>>We can assume that this incident, since the story came from you, is an
>>example of you at your best. I think we can be assured that many other
>>groups were not so lucky as to have you purchase something from them
>>before you ripped them off.
>>
>>Go ahead and babble incoherently about your imagined perverted sex acts
>>now. I have no such need to embellish the situation. I have the truth..
>>and the truth is that you are a thieving scumbag.
>
>
> Look, I've downloaded a few songs, but I've also bought some CD's too.
> Bottom line: the music industry is in the toilet because the music sucks.
Don't confuse mr. dogma with facts. He only wants generalities for his
sermon.
> People have made cassettes for their friends from way back when. It isn't
> anything new. If the music industry wants to sell me something, sell me
> something with more than one pathetic song on the album!
>
> I'll qualify what I said about music of today sucking, because there are
> good bands like Widespread Panic out there making good tunes. However, the
> stuff you see in the mainstream that the music companies bank on sucks and
> people aren't buying it.
Yep. I totally agree.
>
> I just got an earful recently of Bruce Springstein's new album and I'm going
> to go _pay_ for it. It's worth my money. That's what I'll pay for. Every
> one-hit-wonder out there can just eat shit because they receive a pittance
> for their efforts anyway. The record companies get the lion's share of the
> revenue and they're killing the industry. I'll support bands that make good
> music and put more than one good song on a CD.
As will many people.
>
> Think of mp3's as a way to promote the bands.
He can't. He has bought the RIAA hype - hook, line, and stinker. You'd
have an easier time preaching racial tolerance to the klan.
It's that we're listening to
> the mp3's and such and we go and see these bands when they come to town.
> THAT'S where they make the bulk share of their money - by touring.
And this has always been the case. The industry apologists will never
discuss this fact. They always pretend that all bands happily get fucked
because it is the most attractive option to them. They'll never admit
that the music industry has a history of raping and abandoning
musicians. They're too busy scapegoating the symptom to address the cause.
Queso
>
>
El Queso
Next time you have a headache - go to medical school instead of taking
an aspirin. One does not require a solution to make comments on a
problem. Didn't they teach you that in school?
Queso
>
> SB
>
>
RA
> I have never said I have the "right" to do anything. I have the ability
> to download, not the right. You can't seem to comprehend the difference
> because you are too intellectually dishonest.
> Most groups I have downloaded something from are long dead. Roland Kirk
> for example. His family isn't getting DICK from the "owners" of his
> music, and he is dead. Why the hell should I pay some greedy douchebag
> to rape his corpse?
So, you're hiding behind the phrase "I never said I have the 'right'"
Why such doubletalk. You're a thief, can the bullshit.
What a phony, with your new disclaimer about how most of the music that
you steal is from dead people. You steal from whoever you can scumbag.
I've seen Rahsaan playing his 3 horns live.
How convenient for you to deny his heirs any right to his legacy,
simply to justify your thievery.
You are pure scum.
regards,
RA
El Queso
>>I have never said I have the "right" to do anything. I have the ability
>>to download, not the right. You can't seem to comprehend the difference
>>because you are too intellectually dishonest.
>
>
>>Most groups I have downloaded something from are long dead. Roland Kirk
>>for example. His family isn't getting DICK from the "owners" of his
>>music, and he is dead. Why the hell should I pay some greedy douchebag
>>to rape his corpse?
>
>
>
> So, you're hiding behind the phrase "I never said I have the 'right'"
Because you claimed I said I did. I'm not hiding, I 'm right here.
> Why such doubletalk. You're a thief, can the bullshit.
What doubletalk - I make copies of CDs for myself. CDs I wouldn't
otherwise buy. I have hundreds of CDs that I could NEVER have afforded
to pay retail for. I copy a renewable resource - information.
Aside from the piracy issue - go back and read the start of this
thread again - you'll see that it had nothing at all to do with the
download issue until you stupidly interjected the idea that anyone who
copies music is a "thieving scumbag". Of course you've never answered my
question of whether or not you've ever recorded TV shows, movies, or
songs from radio or TV. I think you're the one who is hiding.
>
> What a phony,
Please explain how I have done one thing and said another. Please show
ONE instance of this. You can't. You take all the arguements you've ever
heard that are pro-filesharing and attributed them to your "opponents"
whether or not they have actually expressed such opinions. It shows that
you are lazy minded and intellectually weak.
with your new disclaimer about how most of the music that
> you steal is from dead people.
That is no disclaimer, just a fact. I have never made a comment on
whether or not downloading was morally right or wrong.
> You steal from whoever you can scumbag.
Your dad drinks used scumbags by the dozen - he pays hookers for their
night's worth of old rubbers and fills up the tub - then fucks you in it.
>
> I've seen Rahsaan playing his 3 horns live.
Yeah, sure - all that makes you is old.
> How convenient for you to deny his heirs any right to his legacy,
How convenient of you to ignore the part I wrote about how his heirs are
getting DICK! His family is getting nothing. Joel Dorn is getting
NOTHING! All that and I still own about 18 of his legit CDs. I don't
feel bad at all about downloading Kirk's work. I've had to in order to
get some of his out of print stuff. See, the world is bigger than the
little hole you need to cram it into to abate your fear of change.
> simply to justify your thievery.
>
> You are pure scum.
Pure scum is what's in your belly. Scum from all those hobos you are
constantly blowing.
Queso
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
El Queso
>
> You are pure scum.
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
Lemme guess - you call yourself a Christian, don'cha?
Queso
SB
> an aspirin. One does not require a solution to make comments on a
> problem. Didn't they teach you that in school?
> Queso
Yea. Don't get me wrong, I think you had a point with your original post, I
just think that wishing those people death is a very harsh reaction to the
problem. I know from personal experience that the level of anger you
demonstrated is very destructive and unhealthy. That's why I try to seek
more positive solutions.
Peace,
SB
El Queso
You're taking me too seriously. My 2 is some people's 10.
Queso
>
> Peace,
>
> SB
>
>
RA
>Of course you've never answered my
> question of whether or not you've ever recorded TV shows, movies, or
> songs from radio or TV. I think you're the one who is hiding.
This 'renewable resource' is the intellectual property of the artists and
the record companies who they've agreed to let produce their work.
It is not the place of some worthless piece of shit to proclaim that
they do not deserve the rights to their property.
I don't copy movies. What's the point? If I'm watching it on TV, why do I
want a copy of a movie that I've already seen? I don't copy music. I buy
CDs. Before that I bought tapes and albums. I support musicians, unlike dirtbags
who boast about thier great concern for musicians, while all the time stealing
their work instead of supporting them by paying for it. I have never been to
Napster, Kazaa, Morpheus, or any other 'sharing' area on the web.
> > How convenient for you to deny his heirs any right to his legacy,
>
> How convenient of you to ignore the part I wrote about how his heirs are
> getting DICK! His family is getting nothing.
So you did. I think I can be excused for missing part of your text, since I have
to skip over so much of your sexual perversion fantasies to read it?
More phoniness though, as if you would dutifully avoid downloading his music
if he were alive. Yeah, whine now about how I have no 'proof'.
You are living proof of what a phony, thieving piece of shit you are.
You are the lowest type of turd, whose only use for musicians is to take
what they offer and fake concern for their welfare, while doing so.
I've no interest in hearing more of your perverted thoughts or lying denials.
You are dismissed.
regards,
RA
notbob
> And this has always been the case. The industry apologists will never
> discuss this fact. They always pretend that all bands happily get fucked
> because it is the most attractive option to them. They'll never admit
> that the music industry has a history of raping and abandoning
> musicians.
Yep. I've yet to hear of a single case where the artist is destitute
and penniless because fans were copying and sharing their songs.
nb
El Queso
>>I copy a renewable resource - information.
>
>
>>Of course you've never answered my
>>question of whether or not you've ever recorded TV shows, movies, or
>>songs from radio or TV. I think you're the one who is hiding.
>
>
>
> This 'renewable resource' is the intellectual property of the artists and
> the record companies who they've agreed to let produce their work.
> It is not the place of some worthless piece of shit to proclaim that
> they do not deserve the rights to their property.
>
> I don't copy movies.
I didn't ask if you DO, I asked if you ever HAVE. You are evading the
question. You have NEVER copied movies or music... EVER???
What's the point? If I'm watching it on TV, why do I
> want a copy of a movie that I've already seen? I don't copy music. I buy
> CDs. Before that I bought tapes and albums. I support musicians, unlike dirtbags
> who boast about thier great concern for musicians, while all the time stealing
> their work instead of supporting them by paying for it. I have never been to
> Napster, Kazaa, Morpheus, or any other 'sharing' area on the web.
Did you ever realize that you can get tons of non-copyrighted stuff on
those networks? No, I don't think so.
>
>
>
>>>How convenient for you to deny his heirs any right to his legacy,
>>
>>How convenient of you to ignore the part I wrote about how his heirs are
>>getting DICK! His family is getting nothing.
>
>
>
> So you did. I think I can be excused for missing
You mean - deliberately ignoring.
part of your text, since I have
> to skip over so much of your sexual perversion fantasies to read it?
Excuses for your cowardice.
>
> More phoniness though,
I know - you have TONS of dildoes, but still want more.
as if you would dutifully avoid downloading his music
> if he were alive. Yeah, whine now about how I have no 'proof'.
I'm not whining - you simply have no proof or you'd offer it.
> You are living proof of what a phony, thieving piece of shit you are.
So, in other words - you have nothing but your word. The word of a
stiff, old, douchebag who is more concerned for corporations than
artists - your opinion has negative value to me.
> You are the lowest type of turd,
You are so brave to attack the vile copyright infringer... LOL!!! Ever
heard of child molestation (it's what your dad did to you) - it's not
normal, and just because it happened to you doesn't make it better than
copyright violation. There are a lot worse things in this world than
what you have your panties in a bunch over. You are a joke.
whose only use for musicians is to take
> what they offer and fake concern for their welfare, while doing so.
Suck my dick. I do what I do without excuse or remorse - I LOVE the fact
that it pisses you off so much. I'm downloading music RIGHT NOW...
LOL!!!!!!!!
>
> I've no interest in hearing more of your perverted thoughts or lying denials.
> You are dismissed.
You mean you are running away with your tail between your legs because
EVERYONE KNOWS YOU HAVE TAPED MOVIES OR MUSIC IN THE PAST AND YOU ARE A
TOTAL HYPOCRITE.
Queso
>
> regards,
> RA
>
>
>
ruel24
> This 'renewable resource' is the intellectual property of the artists and
> the record companies who they've agreed to let produce their work.
> It is not the place of some worthless piece of shit to proclaim that
> they do not deserve the rights to their property.
Ummm, most artists sell off the rights to their intellectual property, if
I'm not mistaken. They don't own the rights to their music, but receive a
small (very small!) royalty from it.
> I don't copy movies. What's the point? If I'm watching it on TV, why do I
> want a copy of a movie that I've already seen? I don't copy music. I buy
> CDs. Before that I bought tapes and albums. I support musicians, unlike
> dirtbags who boast about thier great concern for musicians, while all the
> time stealing their work instead of supporting them by paying for it. I
> have never been to Napster, Kazaa, Morpheus, or any other 'sharing' area
> on the web.
Though I'm not into rap, I remember hearing that Queen Latifah made a
whopping $200,000 from the sales of her smash debut album. With that album
selling millions, a single copy gave her less than 20 cents. Who's really
losing from copying? She made a bundle touring off of it though. There's
where her fans, whether they download or buy CD's, supported her. I know
they didn't download then, but the point remains. I'd just a soon send the
artists their royalties and download the files. To hell with the record
company big wigs that screwed everyone along the way and live fat off the
efforts of others!
>> > How convenient for you to deny his heirs any right to his legacy,
>>
>> How convenient of you to ignore the part I wrote about how his heirs are
>> getting DICK! His family is getting nothing.
>
>
> So you did. I think I can be excused for missing part of your text, since
> I have to skip over so much of your sexual perversion fantasies to read
> it?
>
> More phoniness though, as if you would dutifully avoid downloading his
> music if he were alive. Yeah, whine now about how I have no 'proof'.
> You are living proof of what a phony, thieving piece of shit you are.
> You are the lowest type of turd, whose only use for musicians is to take
> what they offer and fake concern for their welfare, while doing so.
>
> I've no interest in hearing more of your perverted thoughts or lying
> denials. You are dismissed.
Who's in denial? Your finger is pointing in the wrong direction...
The Moor Of Venice
think they went from "far too lenient" to "murderous terms"--first hard left
then hard right, I do agree that it seems that they simply got greedy--3/8
of the artists pie (roundabout guess, not actual figure--metaphorical 3/8)
wasn't enough, they wanted almost all of it. All of it and then some,
actually, as nowadays I think you actually have to pay MP3.com like you have
to "pay to play" in bars in the area I live in.
But as far as sharing goes...okay. Let me make this very simple. The
artists sell the rights to their songs to fat old rich white men. Now, I
don't necessarily agree that the fat old rich white men DON'T have the right
to make a living, but I think some of their moral crimes--dictating rather
than catering to public tastes, demanding $20 for a CD that costs less than
50c to make...trying to claim (and I will dig up reports on some of the
lobbying the RIAA did in Congress if you want--I am sure I can find it
somewhere) that after you pay that $20 you haven't actually bought the CD,
you are just renting it...demanding to be paid royalties on used CDs...okay.
To me these things are of what you might call questionable morality--I mean,
in a capitalist society, folks will do whatever they can get away
with--generally--but still, there are issues of artistic expression being
stifled, etc. Anyway, although sharing may NOT be morally right, because it
deprives the rich old white men of a living (and here is the rub--the
artists make pretty much nothing off CD sales, so it matters nothing to the
artist whether you sell or trade "his" intellectual property--why should it,
it is only 1/2% or 1% "his"--in order to get his record deal that allows him
to record and tour at a high level and all that, he HAD to sell
it--otherwise, no deal, ever, with anyone--another moral crime of the rich
old white men) sometimes in the adult world, you have to commit a second
moral crime to protest--although not necessarily rectify--a greater first
moral crime or crimes.
Sorry for all the parenthetic comments--the reasoning is sort of twisty. It
could be summed up by saying "you aren't hurting artists by stealing albums
because the albums don't belong to them. You are hurting the rich, fat, old
white men who the albums belong to".
--
Othello, The Moor Of Venice
Son of my Father
"If I had a fancy car, I would drive you all around.
If I had a million dollars I would buy you the whole goddamn town
If I had the strength maybe I could have seen you through
If I had a lantern I would light the way for you.
If I had a lantern I would light the way for you."
--Micheal McDermott
"Lantern"
"El Queso" <""the_cheese_23\"@(nospam)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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RA
> because the albums don't belong to them. You are hurting the rich, fat, old
> white men who the albums belong to". <<
So let's be clear at least that you're stealing from the rich, fat, old white men..
and not performing any noble service for anyone.
Why not rob their houses too?
Because you're afraid you'd get caught doing that.
You steal their intellectual property, because you think
it's safer.. and you won't be caught or punished, so you
fashion pseudo intellectual absurdities about why you're
entitled to that 'easy to steal' property.
Cowards will always find plenty of rationalizations why it's ok
for them to sneak around stealing other people's property.
regards,
RA
The Moor Of Venice
<bigger sigh>
<irritated silence>
<final sigh>
<nirvana>
All right, gang, I tried.
"Let it go....and so, fade away....Let it go, uh huh, and so, fade
away....wide awake, I'm wide awake...I'm wide awake....I'm not sleepin'."
--Bono
"Bad"
"RA" <use...@freetoys.com> wrote in message
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Mike Murphy
albums
> > because the albums don't belong to them. You are hurting the rich, fat,
old
> > white men who the albums belong to". <<
>
> So let's be clear at least that you're stealing from the rich, fat, old
white men..
> and not performing any noble service for anyone.
No matter what happens, music downloading is here to stay. There will be
more court cases and people dragged into court by record companies, but
people are not going to stop downloading at will. Who cares if it's right
or wrong? Who should be the one to say? Artists are certainly not united
around the issue. Record companies certainly are against it, but by
anyone's standards they certainly are not committed to anyone's interests
but their own.
The issue IMHO is that the record companies are failing to offer a product
that people are willing to pay for and technology has allowed people to
basically to circumvent it by sharing it on peer to peer networks. It's
unregulated, unlimited, and it is possible to find stuff on there that is
out of print, hard to get unless you live in a large metropolis and yes,
it's free.
The real issue is that the record companies can't compete with it. One
could say that the these companies are finally reaping what they have sown.
>
Artists Management
"Mike Murphy" <975...@accglobal.net> wrote in message
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Nullen Voyd
> If you don't want rationalizations, you should stop presenting them and just
> admit that you are a cheap bastard who prefers stealing things to paying for them
> and that you steal the music because you don't think that you will be held responsible
> for doing so.
I am a cheap bastard who prefers stealing things to paying for them.
I steal music because I don't think I will be held responsible.
I can't think of a single person that I know that lives within the
letter of the law... and if you say you do, well cheers, but whether
it be giving someone a prescription medication because they don't want
to go to the doctor or getting music online, I don't consider it
wrong. Artists make their money through shows, and as far as I'm
concerned big business can go to take a flying leap, without the
flying part.
I live in a capitalist society, so I capitalize. To me getting music
off the internet is just a cost cutting measure (to put it in business
terms). You know how many companies used to pirate software or reuse
licenses just because they could, the only reason they don't anymore,
is because they are held accountable. They lied, cheated, and stole
to get where they are, I'm sure that they skipped ethics quite a few
times in university, and they have the money to burn.
Mike Murphy
"Nullen Voyd" <xaud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Abso-fucking-lutely. I don't give shit one about whether or not Capitol or
Warner Bros or Electra get their 90% off the top. It's funny that the
musicians crowing about losing money are all quite wealthy. Take a flying
fuck at the moon, Lars Ulrich. Anyone who thinks that the recording
industry are not pirates themselves is a fucking moron. For many years they
have attempted to dictate what people hear, what they buy, what's "hip".
Under the word "monopoly" in the dictionary is a picture of some A&R guy
trying to woo some band he thinks will be the next Nirvana to sign to a ten
album deal. I just want to see the whole thing go down the shitter. I
don't buy CDs. I download them. I feel utterly no guilt about this. I
encourage others to do the same.
notbob
> I don't buy CDs. I download them.
You actually know of whole CDs worth downloading? ;)
nb
ruel24
> Abso-fucking-lutely. I don't give shit one about whether or not Capitol
> or
> Warner Bros or Electra get their 90% off the top. It's funny that the
> musicians crowing about losing money are all quite wealthy. Take a flying
> fuck at the moon, Lars Ulrich.
You know what really bothers me about the whole Lars Ulrich thing? In the
early '90's, when I was heavily into playing drums, Tama launched a Lars
Ulrich signature drumset. In the ad for the set, Lars explained that the
only way he'd do such a kit, was that it was exactly like his - same size
drums, same setup, same line from Tama. Well, as you'd expect, most artists
of that stature don't play cheap equipment. That made the drums very
expensive. Well, continuing on with the ad, Lars said he'd forego the
royalties from the set just to keep the price down (didn't help!) and said
that he was "into it for the vibe...not the money". Well, fast forward a
few years after he's even more well off, and he goes after Napster's
jugular. Well, which is it Lars? The vibe or the money?
Big business has basically ruined the music industry. Artists have even less
artistic freedom, the whole business is wrapped around "me too" bands, the
look is more important than the substance, and radio DJ's can't even play
what they want. Big radio station conglomerates even do market research
about the music before it ever airs. The whole thing stinks from top to
bottom. We need to return to the days of independently operated radio
stations, and independent labels that allow bands to form their own
identities.
As far as I'm concerned, the Jam Band movement is the only thing giving me
hope. Groups like Moe, Widespread Panic, Phish, etc. don't have the look,
but the have talent in spades. Most of them don't mind bootlegging their
gigs. They sell out like mad because their music gets heard and people want
to go see them despite rare, if any, radio play. I don't think Trey
Anistacio is hurting for money, nor is he complaining about mp3 trading.
Mike Murphy
"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
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I download a lot of old stuff, actually. Not many CDs being made these days
are worth a download, let alone paying for them. You bring up a good point,
though- not many are worth downloading.
Mike Murphy
"ruel24" <non...@youfigure.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Murphy wrote:
>
> > Abso-fucking-lutely. I don't give shit one about whether or not Capitol
> > or
> > Warner Bros or Electra get their 90% off the top. It's funny that the
> > musicians crowing about losing money are all quite wealthy. Take a
flying
> > fuck at the moon, Lars Ulrich.
>
> You know what really bothers me about the whole Lars Ulrich thing? In the
> early '90's, when I was heavily into playing drums, Tama launched a Lars
> Ulrich signature drumset. In the ad for the set, Lars explained that the
> only way he'd do such a kit, was that it was exactly like his - same size
> drums, same setup, same line from Tama. Well, as you'd expect, most
artists
> of that stature don't play cheap equipment. That made the drums very
> expensive. Well, continuing on with the ad, Lars said he'd forego the
> royalties from the set just to keep the price down (didn't help!) and said
> that he was "into it for the vibe...not the money". Well, fast forward a
> few years after he's even more well off, and he goes after Napster's
> jugular. Well, which is it Lars? The vibe or the money?
I like Metallica, but I think these guys have become greedy. To Lars's
credit, he may actually believe that mp3 trading is inherently wrong and may
have initially been unconcerned with the fallout that his position has
caused him and his band. However, this does show him to be way out of touch
with reality and portrays him as being old, stodgy and part of the music
industry hierarchy- something Metallica would have sneered at earlier in
their careers.
>
> Big business has basically ruined the music industry. Artists have even
less
> artistic freedom, the whole business is wrapped around "me too" bands, the
> look is more important than the substance, and radio DJ's can't even play
> what they want. Big radio station conglomerates even do market research
> about the music before it ever airs. The whole thing stinks from top to
> bottom. We need to return to the days of independently operated radio
> stations, and independent labels that allow bands to form their own
> identities.
I agree with all of this. The whole mess is being run by a few people who
couldn't care less about music, are rich and want to stay that way. The
control of the whole process needs to be in the hands of those making the
music- not producers, record execs, A&R guys and moguls. The internet
allows for bands you would never otherwise hear of to promote themselves
without all of the heavy machinery of the music biz. They know this is a
threat to their survival. People have got to wake up and put a little
effort into supporting bands trying to do it on their own.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the Jam Band movement is the only thing giving me
> hope. Groups like Moe, Widespread Panic, Phish, etc. don't have the look,
> but the have talent in spades. Most of them don't mind bootlegging their
> gigs. They sell out like mad because their music gets heard and people
want
> to go see them despite rare, if any, radio play. I don't think Trey
> Anistacio is hurting for money, nor is he complaining about mp3 trading.
These bands you talk about are a good example of what I'm trying to say.
These guys are making a serious go of it without a lot of support from radio
and big-time hype. People support their stuff because they like it. They
are capable live bands. Doing live shows is their primary medium, not
recording "product" for mass consumption. To me, this is the future of
guitar-based rock music. people will always want to hear it and that is
what will drive them to search it out when it isn't being heard on the
radio. This is what the "biz" misses- the interaction of an A power chord
with 10,000 pairs of eardrums ringing out to an insane crowd waiting
expectantly- oops- got carried away there :).
Mike
Nullen Voyd
Sor, Albeniz, Kaspar... they're all very very long dead.