George Strait
jimmy
a big c&w fan but, when I heard that tune I thought it was a winner.
I was roundlly chastised here for bringing it up. Lots of you guys
came up with reasons why it wasn't such a great song. Oh well, no big
deal but, it went on to win him a grammy and helped put him in the
hall of fame.
I just heard another Strait song and I'd bet it gets him another award
nomination and maybe a win. It's got all the country things. Broken
heart, neon lights, plucked & swelling strings, mandolin, single coil
fenders and grand piano. And, of course, a couple goood one-liners.
"I'm a lot easier to talk to....when I've had a few".
Les Cargill
> About a year ago I posted about "Troubadour" by George Strait. I'm not
> a big c&w fan but, when I heard that tune I thought it was a winner.
> I was roundlly chastised here for bringing it up. Lots of you guys
> came up with reasons why it wasn't such a great song. Oh well, no big
> deal but, it went on to win him a grammy and helped put him in the
> hall of fame.
>
Heh. "Hall Of Fame" is Nashvegas speak for "old and in the way" :)
> I just heard another Strait song and I'd bet it gets him another award
> nomination and maybe a win. It's got all the country things. Broken
> heart, neon lights, plucked & swelling strings, mandolin, single coil
> fenders and grand piano. And, of course, a couple goood one-liners.
> "I'm a lot easier to talk to....when I've had a few".
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESufM43sXxs
Shoot, no complaints here. Very fine tune. George used to play
the Coachlight in Ada, Oklahoma when I lived there ( around 1980 )
before he got big. He's earned every nickel, and is one heck
of a fine human being from all accounts.
He is what he is.
--
Les Cargill
Squier
well I have nothing against him. He's a legend.
We do some covers in one of the bands I'm in - Clear Blue Sky, Natural.. etc.
good stuff. He's one of the old timers still making current recordings
that Nashville still puts out there. Others like Vince Gill. etc (also legendary)
have pretty much been swept aside out of mainstream air time but are still
big draws locally and are Nashville icons. He still plays Nashville scene
for the tourists and of course there are others like Clint Black.. etc.
Actually Clint Black plays a really mean guitar. great player and he
can rock out and shred and chicken pick and might be one of the best
all around guitarists you've probably never heard.
(he was Nashville pro session and
studio hired gun for a long time before going out on his own).
anyways, Strait's a living legend and still 'gettin it done'.
bg
jimmy wrote in message <7vm6k5pvmhl2e81lm...@4ax.com>...
I worked on a george strait album many years ago. Up to that point I felt
that country music was total garbage. By the time I listened to the album at
least a few hundred times, I began to really like it. So I can blame george
for turning me into a cowboy junky or a closet cowboy. I'm hoping that
repetitive listening doesn't work for music performed by gay musicians,
cause there are a few of them I like too!
jimmy
>
>jimmy wrote in message <7vm6k5pvmhl2e81lm...@4ax.com>...
>>About a year ago I posted about "Troubadour" by George Strait. I'm not
>>a big c&w fan but, when I heard that tune I thought it was a winner.
>>I was roundlly chastised here for bringing it up. Lots of you guys
>>came up with reasons why it wasn't such a great song. Oh well, no big
>>deal but, it went on to win him a grammy and helped put him in the
>>hall of fame.
>>
>>I just heard another Strait song and I'd bet it gets him another award
>>nomination and maybe a win. It's got all the country things. Broken
>>heart, neon lights, plucked & swelling strings, mandolin, single coil
>>fenders and grand piano. And, of course, a couple goood one-liners.
>>"I'm a lot easier to talk to....when I've had a few".
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESufM43sXxs
>
>I worked on a george strait album many years ago.
What did you do on the album?
> Up to that point I felt
>that country music was total garbage.
I liked bluegrass since I was really young so I always had an
appreciation for the quality of many country players. It's just when
the lyrics make ya want to puke that I shut it off. Toby Keith et al
just won't cut it with me no matter how good they play.
> By the time I listened to the album at
>least a few hundred times, I began to really like it. So I can blame george
>for turning me into a cowboy junky or a closet cowboy. I'm hoping that
>repetitive listening doesn't work for music performed by gay musicians,
>cause there are a few of them I like too!
>
Haha. A lot of musicians are in the closet or denial so it can happen
to any listener, anytime! It would be a lot cooler though if Freddy
Mercury converted ya than George Michael ;)
Les Cargill
> Toby Keith et al
> just won't cut it with me no matter how good they play.
>
Toby is an EXcellent songwriter. Give it another chance, I
bitched and moaned about having to do it until I had to pick
the tunes apart.
>> By the time I listened to the album at
>> least a few hundred times, I began to really like it. So I can blame george
>> for turning me into a cowboy junky or a closet cowboy. I'm hoping that
>> repetitive listening doesn't work for music performed by gay musicians,
>> cause there are a few of them I like too!
>>
>
> Haha. A lot of musicians are in the closet or denial so it can happen
> to any listener, anytime! It would be a lot cooler though if Freddy
> Mercury converted ya than George Michael ;)
And cooler yet if it was Rob Halford :)
--
Les Cargill
Flasherly
Lot of "standards" and crowd-pleasers in a likes of Straight, I
guess;- President Bush evidently thought he was the next best thing to
the invention of peanut butter. All My Exes Live in Texes, Milkcow
Blues...he's not above them. Also tried to get into Dwight Yoakum,
though couldn't once I'd looked over somewhat a larger sampling.
Another potential worth a little study is Hank Williams the III.
Stuff's got that ol' time "she'll do you, she'll do me" deviant
spirit. More of late -- a large sampling of grunge cowboy. Not
especially getting anywhere with that. There's a saying -- based on
averages -- that your "average" r&r guitarist isn't as good a player,
as what's required of an "average" country player, in order to
perform. Not exactly sure how that works. Maybe it's off a Fender
Tele's SC neck on an amp with such a clean sound it could punch holes
through eardrums, like an ice pick.
Think I'll maybe go listen to some Bush or Crazy Horse.
bg
jimmy wrote in message ...
Funny you should say george michael cause I like some of his stuff. Even
have one of his cassettes from way back. I was going to use him as an
example but I wasn't sure if a guitar newsgroup had even heard of him. I was
primarily in the manufactuing end of the music industry since the start of
reel to reel and eight track , right up to the point when tape vanished. I
probably made about a million tapes a month for twenty five years. I don't
think I could listen to Toby Keith enough times to find the beauty.
Bluegrass is to repetitious for me but I am a big fan of allison krauss.
jimmy
<lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>jimmy wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:08:07 -0700, "bg" <b...@nospam.com> wrote:
><snip>
>
> > Toby Keith et al
>> just won't cut it with me no matter how good they play.
>>
>
>Toby is an EXcellent songwriter. Give it another chance, I
>bitched and moaned about having to do it until I had to pick
>the tunes apart.
Alright, I will. Must admit I've only heard the first few bars of his
most popular stuff.
>
>>> By the time I listened to the album at
>>> least a few hundred times, I began to really like it. So I can blame george
>>> for turning me into a cowboy junky or a closet cowboy. I'm hoping that
>>> repetitive listening doesn't work for music performed by gay musicians,
>>> cause there are a few of them I like too!
>>>
>>
>> Haha. A lot of musicians are in the closet or denial so it can happen
>> to any listener, anytime! It would be a lot cooler though if Freddy
>> Mercury converted ya than George Michael ;)
>
>And cooler yet if it was Rob Halford :)
Hehe, had to google him. I guess they call him the 'Metal God'.
Maybe it can happen to anyone, anytime ;)
jimmy
Holy cow! That's a lotta tape. Les suggested that I check out TK so
I'll embark upon that today & see how it goes. Bluegrass can
definitely be boring in it's purest form. I like Allison Krauss too,
especially with Union Station. Not so big on her stuff with Robert
Plant.
jimmy
wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:36:53 -0500, Les Cargill
><lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>jimmy wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:08:07 -0700, "bg" <b...@nospam.com> wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>> > Toby Keith et al
>>> just won't cut it with me no matter how good they play.
>>>
>>
>>Toby is an EXcellent songwriter. Give it another chance, I
>>bitched and moaned about having to do it until I had to pick
>>the tunes apart.
>
>Alright, I will. Must admit I've only heard the first few bars of his
>most popular stuff.
I dunno Les. I lisened to a few I'd not heard before and I think
toby's got a little 'splainin to do ;)
Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue (The Angry American)
"We lit up your world like the 4th of July"
Not sure how you can like James McMurtry AND this guy, from an
intellectual pov. Complete 180. I'm also a McMurtry fan...and steve
earle & bruce cockburn...and I'm an old guy who doesn't / can't change
much ;)
God Love Her
"rebel child & a preachers' daughter
she was baptized in dirty water"
WTF?? I hate using the word cliche, but, that's all I got.
A Little Too Late
"its' a little too sad
I'm a little too blue
it's a little too bad
you're too good to be true
I'm big time over you baby
it's a little too late"
This one is an improvement and I think I could get used to it.
Musically it's fabulous.
I know you won't be offended by what I think. Just thought I owed you
a little research based on my earlier, uninformed comment about Toby.
And it's fun!
toby...errr, tony
Les Cargill
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:03:03 -0400, jimmy <bigto...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:36:53 -0500, Les Cargill
>> <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> jimmy wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:08:07 -0700, "bg" <b...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Toby Keith et al
>>>> just won't cut it with me no matter how good they play.
>>>>
>>> Toby is an EXcellent songwriter. Give it another chance, I
>>> bitched and moaned about having to do it until I had to pick
>>> the tunes apart.
>> Alright, I will. Must admit I've only heard the first few bars of his
>> most popular stuff.
>
> I dunno Les. I lisened to a few I'd not heard before and I think
> toby's got a little 'splainin to do ;)
>
> Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue (The Angry American)
> "We lit up your world like the 4th of July"
> Not sure how you can like James McMurtry AND this guy, from an
> intellectual pov.
Interestingly, the Prez sez: "We are war with Al Queda".
<http://www.nationalreview.com/onthenews/?q=Y2ZkOGFjYWQ4YWVhODU1OTA5MWQyOWUzMmJmYjQ4ZDI=>
Jim, I do not mean to offend you with any of this - this
is deep, deep stuff and it's almost certain that I am in
error about something related to it. That being said...
After 9/11, I did a lot - a whole lot - of research, starting
with Shelby Foote's "Civil War" and going forward. My conclusion
is that the war was necessary because we are human beings. That
led to a question - "why" - that I have just very recently
answered.
I guess you've forgotten what it felt like, too. Lotta people have. And
not every artifact of popular culture reflects the deepest feelings
of the writer. Take Merle - Okie From Muskogee was about how his *Dad*
thought, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Toby did
the same trick.
Put it this way - Colbert had Toby on his Christmas
special, whether for ironic purposes or not. I don't think
the sentiment expressed in that song is in conflict
with anything. I cannot say I did not feel that, nor
am I aware of anybody who is not more or less insanely
Progressive who didn't. So it is a valid sentiment.
I think that the people who categorically rejected Bush were
out and out wrong. And I have links to someone who can
explain it *MUCH* better than I can.
> Complete 180.
Life is complicated. But I think the question you answered
amounts to a stupid question.
In the writings of Rene Girard, he explains to us that *all*
civilization is based on one and only one thing - scapegoating.
That is why we did it. We were wrothful, and that led to hubris.
And nobody could either do the math or had the moral courage
to stand up to us and explain that the Curveball stuff
was bogus. So we didn't know.
he explains this here:
http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/
http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=NmZmNTA4MzBiMWZkNzY5MTM5ZGIyYTU4Mzc2YjE5ZWM=
and here
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2009/07/christianity-will-be-victorious-but-only-in-defeat
And please read these. If you're anything like me, it'll
make yer hair stand on end.
http://home.earthlink.net/~peter.a.taylor/scapegoat.htm
and
http://home.earthlink.net/~peter.a.taylor/midrash.htm
> I'm also a McMurtry fan...and steve
> earle & bruce cockburn...and I'm an old guy who doesn't / can't change
> much ;)
>
> God Love Her
> "rebel child & a preachers' daughter
> she was baptized in dirty water"
> WTF?? I hate using the word cliche, but, that's all I got.
>
Yeah :)But it *sounds* good - you get what Billy Joel calls
"vowel movement" (heh!)
It's Country, man, not Proust.
> A Little Too Late
> "its' a little too sad
> I'm a little too blue
> it's a little too bad
> you're too good to be true
> I'm big time over you baby
> it's a little too late"
> This one is an improvement and I think I could get used to it.
> Musically it's fabulous.
>
Absolutely. But it's total doggerel. His lyrics are
very plain - my main fetish with him is the arrangements -
he throws in some short measures, and uses rubato *very well*.
Not a lot of point in trying to be Bob Dylan anyway - the
job is taken.
> I know you won't be offended by what I think.
Hell no - thanks for the words, man.
> Just thought I owed you
> a little research based on my earlier, uninformed comment about Toby.
> And it's fun!
>
> toby...errr, tony
>
MY NAME IS KUNTA KINTE! Oh wait, that's... wrong.
<snip>
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
> On Jan 5, 10:49 am, jimmy <bigtoeh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> About a year ago I posted about "Troubadour" by George Strait. I'm not
>> a big c&w fan but, when I heard that tune I thought it was a winner.
>> I was roundlly chastised here for bringing it up. Lots of you guys
>> came up with reasons why it wasn't such a great song. Oh well, no big
>> deal but, it went on to win him a grammy and helped put him in the
>> hall of fame.
>>
>> I just heard another Strait song and I'd bet it gets him another award
>> nomination and maybe a win. It's got all the country things. Broken
>> heart, neon lights, plucked & swelling strings, mandolin, single coil
>> fenders and grand piano. And, of course, a couple goood one-liners.
>> "I'm a lot easier to talk to....when I've had a few".
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESufM43sXxs
>
> Lot of "standards" and crowd-pleasers in a likes of Straight, I
> guess;- President Bush evidently thought he was the next best thing to
> the invention of peanut butter. All My Exes Live in Texes, Milkcow
> Blues...he's not above them. Also tried to get into Dwight Yoakum,
> though couldn't once I'd looked over somewhat a larger sampling.
Yeah. I grew up on Buck. Dwight is to bUck was SRV was
to Hendrix, so ...
> Another potential worth a little study is Hank Williams the III.
Man, I tell ya what...
> Stuff's got that ol' time "she'll do you, she'll do me" deviant
> spirit. More of late -- a large sampling of grunge cowboy. Not
> especially getting anywhere with that. There's a saying -- based on
> averages -- that your "average" r&r guitarist isn't as good a player,
> as what's required of an "average" country player, in order to
> perform.
Yerp.
> Not exactly sure how that works.
Get Hank Williams' biography by Colin Escott - it's about money.
Nashvegas was built by a New York insurance company - WSM means "We
Sheild Millions".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSM_(AM)
> Maybe it's off a Fender
> Tele's SC neck on an amp with such a clean sound it could punch holes
> through eardrums, like an ice pick.
>
> Think I'll maybe go listen to some Bush or Crazy Horse.
Without Neil? Awesome.
--
Les Cargill
jimmy
<lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
Lotsa food for thought here. My Grandma was, and my mother is a
prettty staunch baptist so, I have some real-life illustrations. My
kids have "raised" me to see religeon for what it probably is ;) I
think Steve Earle got it right when he said something like there's
nothing more scary than people who can't change...like southern
baptists.
>
>> I'm also a McMurtry fan...and steve
>> earle & bruce cockburn...and I'm an old guy who doesn't / can't change
>> much ;)
>>
>> God Love Her
>> "rebel child & a preachers' daughter
>> she was baptized in dirty water"
>> WTF?? I hate using the word cliche, but, that's all I got.
>>
>
>Yeah :)But it *sounds* good - you get what Billy Joel calls
>"vowel movement" (heh!)
>
>It's Country, man, not Proust.
Good point. I should take music less seriously and it might just be
more fun.
>
>> A Little Too Late
>> "its' a little too sad
>> I'm a little too blue
>> it's a little too bad
>> you're too good to be true
>> I'm big time over you baby
>> it's a little too late"
>> This one is an improvement and I think I could get used to it.
>> Musically it's fabulous.
>>
>
>Absolutely. But it's total doggerel. His lyrics are
>very plain - my main fetish with him is the arrangements -
>he throws in some short measures, and uses rubato *very well*.
>
>Not a lot of point in trying to be Bob Dylan anyway - the
>job is taken.
>
>> I know you won't be offended by what I think.
>
>Hell no - thanks for the words, man.
back at ya.