crap for the common man
SotR
regular American Standard price range.
I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is a
(name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money for
a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have an old
guitar". Either way is totally lame.
Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from GC
advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I checked my
e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get you coming and
going.
I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper line.
What do you think about it?
SotR
Willie Brown to Eugene:
"Look at this guitar, I bet you bought it 'cause you thought it looked beat
up".
Rufus
I think if I'm buying a new guitar, I want a NEW guitar. Otherwise I'll
spend the bux and buy vintage. If I can...if I can't, I'll but a NEW
guitar.
--
- Rufus
Mark Bedingfield
Ditto, besides, all guitars wind up worn if they are any good. I played
a very ordinary reliced 54 Tele custom shop model. $6500au for a good
neck pickup. That's the only thing I liked about it. Price ain't everything.
Mark
dv...@altavista.com
If your guitars don't wind up worn, they ain't gettin' played enough!
-d (why I've stopped gassing over more guitars)
RichCI
> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
> regular American Standard price range.
> I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is a
> (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money for
> a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have an old
> guitar". Either way is totally lame.
I'm not into buying guitars that were aged at the factory either, but
I also think that they're no different than any other stage gear -
like wearing stage clothes, having a banner backdrop, stage lights,
fog machines or whatever else a performing band might use. After all,
every gigging musician, whether you do anything special for your show
or not, is giving a visual as well as musical performance. So, in
that regard, I think they have their place.
mercutio
wrote:
To me buying a worn or reliced new guitar is like buying a new car
with the dents and scratches already in it Makes no sense at all to me
Jim.
>
>
>
>
Mark Bedingfield
I have guitars I like over others here, but they are all great players.
I still don't play that GFS'd SG enough sadly. But for balls and all my
home made EMG'd Strat is just too easy to cart along and play anything
on. I've been playing my EMG'd Affinity Squier Tele heaps lately too,
its just a damned good guitar.
How's your Tele coming along?
mark
TheChris
I've never bought a new guitar....I'd be afraid to scratch it...I don't
have anything past 1982??? Whenever they made Vandenbergs :)
To each his own..
TheChris
news:ln1tl4dkadiq5vplt...@4ax.com:
That's a very astute observation... I wonder why that doesn't apply...
If people have old cars, they want them to look stock.. I never thought
of it like that. Is there anything else that people like to make look
older? Houses maybe?
Tony Done
There are evidently buyers around who think that you can apply mojo
with a hammer.
Tony D
Rufus
...hhhmmnnn...I wonder if they'd buy stickers?..
--
- Rufus
Monster Zero
"SotR" <fli...@nospamssm.com> wrote in message
news:o2v7l.447$%54....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
Silly is what it is. It's for the occasional player who wants people to
think he/she played it "that much".
Adams661
> mercutio <j...@witsend.com> wrote innews:ln1tl4dkadiq5vplt...@4ax.com:
Dont know The Chris but I can make a woman look older pretty damned
quick.
Patrick Keenan
I'd call it a triumph of marketing over engineering.
-pk
Nil
> This Joe Strummer model:
> http://www.fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0133900750_xl.jpg
>
> looks absolutely bogus. Inexpressibly hideous. Like someone's
> taken to the thing with an electric sander. Which they have.
> Doesn't even look old - just buggered.
A local store had one of these. It looks even more bogus in person. And
it feels... totally fake and bogus. It's like a movie prop. It doesn't
feel old or natural at all. And it didn't sound particularly good, either.
Tony Done
"Rufus" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
news:7pw7l.452350$TT4.275510@attbi_s22...
What did you have on mind? Stick-on dents? "Eric was 'ere" labels?
Slightly OT, I was in my mate's store a couple of days ago, when someone
came in with a tele for repair in an authentic-looking Fender case, he
apparently bought in the US. The parts looked cheap , and the Fender logo
looked like a home-made decal. The kindly assistant tactfully suggested he
might not want to spend too much getting it fixed. Caveat emptor, though
don't have a lot of sympathy for folks who look at label first and maybe not
at all at the rest of the guitar.
Tony D
Twibil
> I'd call it a triumph of marketing over engineering.
Well, Fender didn't *invent* the idea that well-worn guitars are
frequently viewed as status-symbols. *That* idea's been around ever
since I can remember, and probably originated with the "Ugly Puppy"
school of guitar ownership that still holds beat-up guitars in high
regard: largely because they're less likely to be stolen or abused by
drunks when the owner is playing out at a club or on the road. (And in
my experience it's true, too: much like crows and magpies, drunks are
attracted to shiny objects, and tend to try to take them back home or
play with them while the owner isn't looking.) Recall also that these
manufactured antiques are perfectly playable, so the engineering end
of the equasion hasn't suffered.
What Fender *did* do was observe that old beat-up Strats and Teles
frequently sold (and still do) for outrageous sums; well beyond what
the average player could afford to pay for a working instrument, and
they decided to cash in on the demand by producing something that
looked similar in their Custom Shop.
Presumably they think that they've pretty well mined out the vein of
players who were willing to pay through the nose for such a guitar,
and so are now going to produce one that's designed to sell at a lower
price point, hoping they'll sell one to every single status-concious
soul out there; and that's a *lot* of guitars!
This is what we call "Capitalism", and it's no better -and no worse-
than the band that plays tunes they don't really care for at venues
they'd rather not inhabit because they're being well-paid to do so.
~Pete
Mark Bedingfield
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:45:46 -0800, SotR wrote:
>
>> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
>> regular American Standard price range.
>> I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is a
>> (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money
>> for a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have
>> an old guitar". Either way is totally lame.
>> Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from GC
>> advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I checked my
>> e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get you coming and
>> going.
>> I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
>> Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
>> I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper
>> line.
>> What do you think about it?
>
> http://www.fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0133900750_xl.jpg
>
> looks absolutely bogus. Inexpressibly hideous. Like someone's taken to
> the thing with an electric sander. Which they have. Doesn't even look
> old - just buggered.
>
>
> When will Gibson get in on this?
>
> The Pete Townsend "Stage Stressed" SG:
> http://tinyurl.com/9c2d66
Lol, that's funny.
The Gilmour reliced Strat;
http://www.fender.com/customshop/instruments/prod_images/guitars/0150069806_xl.jpg
It should have the filled area at the bridge where a Kahler was removed
and a vintage bridge fitted. I can see the cool in that but not for a
novelty at that price. Its just plain silly. The only thing that appeals
to me is the attention to detail. I'll build my own NOS one day.
Mark
VampX
> Dont know The Chris but I can make a woman look older pretty damned
> quick.
I bet!!
:)
--
VampX
-------------------------------
http://www.scartissue.com.au
Rufus
...naw...just big neon stickers that say "MOJO" on them...you could
stick them on anything...your axe, your amp...your friends...
...I'm gonna be rich, I tell ya!
--
- Rufus
Rufus
I wanna go the simpler route - just get me a brand new, un-relic'd maple
necked Montego black American Deluxe Strat and put a black pickguard on
it. And keep the black pickup covers and knobs. That'll do me.
--
- Rufus
VampX
> ...naw...just big neon stickers that say "MOJO" on them...you could
> stick them on anything...your axe, your amp...your friends...
>
> ...I'm gonna be rich, I tell ya!
Not as silly as it sounds.
Rufus
> On 2009-01-03 10:51:14 +1100, Rufus <n...@home.com> said:
>
>> ...naw...just big neon stickers that say "MOJO" on them...you could
>> stick them on anything...your axe, your amp...your friends...
>>
>> ...I'm gonna be rich, I tell ya!
>
> Not as silly as it sounds.
...yeah, that's what's scary.
I happen to know the guy that came up with the "No Fear" thing - he was
a graphic designer that I used to skydive with, we started about the
same time and got our training at the same DZ. He started hawking those
t-shirts around back then amongst us jumpers, and now look at it...
--
- Rufus
Mark Bedingfield
Pretty much what I had in mind. But a 70's Strat, tuxedo style.
Mark
board...@techie.com
> I've never bought a new guitar....I'd be afraid to scratch it...I don't
> have anything past 1982??? Whenever they made Vandenbergs :)
>
Rufus
Yeah - there's a gu in town with one of those...that's where I got the
idea. He put EMG hums in it a while ago, though.
--
- Rufus
Rufus
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:30:17 -0500, mercutio <j...@witsend.com> wrote:
>
>> To me buying a worn or reliced new guitar is like buying a new car
>> with the dents and scratches already in it Makes no sense at all to me
>
> Kennedy signature Olds 98, complete with water damage.
>
...if the bastards start selling me "pre-beaters" my insurance rates
better go down to match...
--
- Rufus
Grip
> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
> regular American Standard price range.
> I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is a
> (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money for
> a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have an old
> guitar". Either way is totally lame.
> Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from GC
> advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I checked my
> e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get you coming and
> going.
> I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
> Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
> I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper line.
> What do you think about it?
>
>
> Willie Brown to Eugene:
> "Look at this guitar, I bet you bought it 'cause you thought it looked beat
> up".
I see the appeal personally, but only if I do it myself. Probably like
some of you if I had the first ten guitars I had in the days when you
had to sell or trade to get another one, I could easily retire on
their value. Now, if I still had those beauts, they would never leave
the house, limiting my enjoyment of them, So I built a couple of relic
strats I could enjoy, and it does fit the bill to a certain degree,
plus it was fun building them......BUT I do agree the factory relics
are not pleasing to me, but that's just me.....NOW that said I very
much love playing the NICE PERTY ones I have as well.
Derek
guitars aren't going to wear like guitars finished in nitro.
Second, there isn't any such thing as "mojo". The very idea is
ridiculous, and the idea that you could sell it is even siller.
Finally, relic'd guitars have advantages like a comfort level of break
in, no sticky necks, and no worrying about that first scratch.
Some like'em plain, some like'm with figured woods, chrome, gold, or
relic'd. It is all cosmetics. Why get worked up one way or another
about cosmetics?
Restless Fingers Syndrome
> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
> regular American Standard price range.
> I think the idea is so stupid.
Nothing new .. Geez .. they have offered SRV, EC's Blackie clones too.
There was a shop in Austin once that aged Fenders
and Fender eventually made them stop. There are also
parts on the market for *aged* vintage look.
GAS or whatever floats your boat.
Capitalism in action.
Les Cargill
> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
> regular American Standard price range.
> (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money for
> a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have an old
> guitar". Either way is totally lame.
> Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from GC
> advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I checked my
> e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get you coming and
> going.
> I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
> Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
> I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper line.
> What do you think about it?
>
> SotR
>
> Willie Brown to Eugene:
> "Look at this guitar, I bet you bought it 'cause you thought it looked beat
> up".
>
>
>
>
>
I'd have to play one. All the old relics I ever played were absolutely
great.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
Dunno. Like I say, the old Custom Shop Relics were pretty dang good
guitars. My experience with Fenders is they tend to sound
better when the finish is worn. My main PBass is a '75, it's a
refin, and it sounded much better with the (much thinner) finish.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
If that is the case, then the process isn't worth it.
--
Les Cargill
Nil
alt.guitar:
> If that is the case, then the process isn't worth it.
I've fooled around a little bit with some of Fender's relic-ed guitars,
and even if you think the concept was foolish, they were very nice
playing and sounding guitars. And not cheap. That was a few years ago,
so maybe they've changed their philosophy, because the Strummer Tele
looked and felt ugly and cheap. One of the most un-special Fenders I've
played.
Les Cargill
> On 02 Jan 2009, Les Cargill <lcar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in
> alt.guitar:
>
>> If that is the case, then the process isn't worth it.
>
> I've fooled around a little bit with some of Fender's relic-ed guitars,
> and even if you think the concept was foolish, they were very nice
> playing and sounding guitars. And not cheap.
Not at all. I came *this close*...
> That was a few years ago,
Yeah.
> so maybe they've changed their philosophy, because the Strummer Tele
> looked and felt ugly and cheap. One of the most un-special Fenders I've
> played.
Well, poop.
--
Les Cargill
Arlowe
> "SotR" <fli...@nospamssm.com> wrote in message
> news:o2v7l.447$%54....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
>> regular American Standard price range.
>> I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is a
>> (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money for
>> a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have an old
>> guitar". Either way is totally lame.
>> Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from GC
>> advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I checked my
>> e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get you coming and
>> going.
>> I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
>> Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
>> I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper line.
>> What do you think about it?
>>
>> SotR
>>
>> Willie Brown to Eugene:
>> "Look at this guitar, I bet you bought it 'cause you thought it looked beat
>> up".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Silly is what it is. It's for the occasional player who wants people to think
> he/she played it "that much".
Yes.
Relics have "POSER" appeal...
Pretty much the same can be said for the '60s tele that sounds & plays
like a pig but has "vintage mojo"....
VampX
> I happen to know the guy that came up with the "No Fear" thing - he was
> a graphic designer that I used to skydive with, we started about the
> same time and got our training at the same DZ. He started hawking
> those t-shirts around back then amongst us jumpers, and now look at
> it...
Is he rich yet?
VampX
> Dunno. Like I say, the old Custom Shop Relics were pretty dang good
> guitars. My experience with Fenders is they tend to sound
> better when the finish is worn. My main PBass is a '75, it's a
> refin, and it sounded much better with the (much thinner) finish.
I will concur with this statement. My EJ Strat is sounding better and
better all the time. I play it so much that it's starting to show some
good signs of wear - back and top of the neck worn through the nitro,
finish is buffing off on the body where my arm sits and pick scratches
on the body in the strum swing. The back is getting a little worn too.
I do play her pretty hard mind you.
VampX
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:06:34 +1000, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
>
>> This Joe Strummer model:
>> http://www.fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0133900750_xl.jpg
>
> I played one of those at Guitar Center one day. They wanted $950 for it. I
> didn't see the point. I left with an Electron Blue Standard Tele that felt
> better in my hands and sounded great for $350.
I think those Joe Strummers look like arse. Certainly don't do the
artist they are modeled on any justice either.
dv...@altavista.com
<atari...@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> dv...@altavista.com wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 4:06 pm, Mark Bedingfield
> > <atari...@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> Rufus wrote:
> >>> SotR wrote:
> >>>> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
> >>>> regular American Standard price range.
> >>>> I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is
> >>>> a (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of
> >>>> money for
> >>>> a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have
> >>>> an old guitar". Either way is totally lame.
> >>>> Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from
> >>>> GC advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I
> >>>> checked my e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get
> >>>> you coming and going.
> >>>> I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
> >>>> Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
> >>>> I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper
> >>>> line.
> >>>> What do you think about it?
> >>>> SotR
> >>>> Willie Brown to Eugene:
> >>>> "Look at this guitar, I bet you bought it 'cause you thought it looked
> >>>> beat
> >>>> up".
> >>> spend the bux and buy vintage. If I can...if I can't, I'll but a NEW
> >>> guitar.
> >> Ditto, besides, all guitars wind up worn if they are any good. I played
> >> a very ordinary reliced 54 Tele custom shop model. $6500au for a good
> >> neck pickup. That's the only thing I liked about it. Price ain't everything.
>
> >> Mark
>
> > If your guitars don't wind up worn, they ain't gettin' played enough!
>
> > -d (why I've stopped gassing over more guitars)
>
> I have guitars I like over others here, but they are all great players.
> I still don't play that GFS'd SG enough sadly. But for balls and all my
> home made EMG'd Strat is just too easy to cart along and play anything
> on. I've been playing my EMG'd Affinity Squier Tele heaps lately too,
> its just a damned good guitar.
>
> How's your Tele coming along?
>
> mark
Meh...I'm having issues. Started out great, then I was getting fret
buzzing all over the place. Frets were starting to come loose. But I
liked the guitar so much, I figured I'd take it in for a refret. The
guy glued the new frets in. It comes back sounding great, then I'm
getting buzzing again, so it's back in the shop. Hmph...not happy
ATM. Thing is, I also had him refret another GFS Xaviere LP, and that
one came back great.
Not sure I played it right on the Tele front...
-d
Arlowe
Yes, and one day it will go the way of the hula-hoop, mood ring and the
pet rock....
SotR
that. I didn't really pay any attention to him post Clash but I'd think I
would have heard it even in passing.
Well, maybe I should get one of those relic guitars, I seem to be really out
of it anyway. LOL
SotR
Rufus
> On 2009-01-03 11:20:22 +1100, Rufus <n...@home.com> said:
>
>> I happen to know the guy that came up with the "No Fear" thing - he
>> was a graphic designer that I used to skydive with, we started about
>> the same time and got our training at the same DZ. He started hawking
>> those t-shirts around back then amongst us jumpers, and now look at it...
>
> Is he rich yet?
...I haven't seen him in some number of years, so I assume so.
OTOH, there's a gal I used to work with that disappeared for a bit..ran
into her some years ago and it turned out she'd won a number of million
in the lottery and had been hiding out from folks asking her for money.
Ran into her again this New Year's eve in the bar after not seeing her
for a couple more years, and she confirmed she'd blown it all...
--
- Rufus
Mark Bedingfield
Not good Mate. You could always rip the neck off and thro another one
on. Not so easy on a set neck LP ;-)
My bastardcaster is likely to wind up a slide Tele. Fitted a vintage
style bridge, but I'm fast thinking its cursed. Nothing ever goes right
on it. And I've built WAY more difficult than this.
Mark
Mark Bedingfield
Have you tried Duncan JB's? Rhythm player dropped one into the bridge on
his Strat and boyoboy did it sound good after that. Originally he had
Fralins or something like that. I enjoyed using it last rehearsal. Funny
thing tho, he ended up playing my Affinity with the EMG's in it and
loving that too ;-)
Price ain't everything. Lol.
Mark
dv...@altavista.com
Except, putting on a new neck would have cost about the same ($160 for
a new neck from Carvin vs. $200 for a refret with glued-in frets).
Plus, if neck woods are as insufficiently seasoned & dried as most
guitar woods these days, then it's likely I would be experiencing more
popped frets down the line anyway.
Up until the Beatles hit the scene, guitars being sold were properly
dried over years, so when you bought one, it remained stable forever.
After the Beatles....well, you can guess...everyone and their
grandmother wanted to buy a guitar. The world's supply of seasoned
woods dried up fairly quickly, so the guitars started to be made with
greener woods or kiln-dried stuff. Kiln drying is better than green,
but it's nowhere near as good a way to dry wood as letting it age
ambiently.
Which is another reason I'm done with amassing more guitars. I'm just
going to make what I have into the best they can be, and that's it ;-)
-d
Derek
>Yes.
>Relics have "POSER" appeal
Really? I have been playing since 1979, teach part time, have been in
working bands for the past 20+ years, play blues, jazz, rock, pop, in
a regular band that gigs weekly, and a weekly solo jazz gig.
I do not claim to be a great player, but I play pretty much every day.
After a 6 month search of trying every kind of tele guitar from Grosh,
G&L, Fender, Anderson, Suhr, Melancon, and others, I wound up with a
Bill Nash.
I don't care that it is a relic, it is the sweetest sounding/playing
tele I found. Feels completely broken in, and I don't worry about
dinging or scratching it. It is in my hands almost daily.
Does that make me a poser? If so, I am okay with it.
Arlowe
If you bought it just because it was beat up then yes, you are a poser.
The Professor
the instruments where the finishes are messed up by the newbie luthiers in their
stables get "processed" and sold off as "relics"!
Nil
> If you bought it just because it was beat up then yes, you are a
> poser.
It seemed clear to me that that was NOT the reason he bought the Nash.
Arlowe
???
I never said he did.
For some reasom Derek assuned I was calling him a poser for owning a
"relic"
Well, let me clear this up. I did not call Derek a poser.
I said Relics have "poser" appeal.
They are created to be something they are not.
They are guitars pretending to have history that they do not have.
They are fakes.
Now, if you are compelled to buy one of these "fakes" to look cool and
impress your friends, then yes you are a fucking poser.
However, if you buy one because it appeals to you based on its sound
quality and / or playability, in spite of the fact it looks like a worn
out pile of shit, then I guess you're not a poser... eh?
Nil
I agree with that 100%. Eh!
Arlowe
assuned???
WTF is assuned???
Don Evans
+1 on that ... I can't remember playing a CS relic that wasn't a good
playing and sounding axe ... whatever the reasons might be.
Don
The Professor
Don Evans wrote:
IMHO, the issue is; was it any better than a CS non relic...and how much
extra did the "relic" look cost?
Mark Bedingfield
I have a few modern guitars, none have even a hint of fret pop.
Including my Allparts Strat and Chinese Squier, in fact the fret work on
both my Squier's as A+ on strait necks. I have 14 guitars going back to
the 1970's and all are perfect.
I understand what you mean but I don't think its a huge issue. Besides
you get a warranty on most necks iiuc. Is the neck work being done under
warranty? Bit concerned that two GFS guitars have gone that way too mind
you.
Mark
The Professor
Arlowe wrote:
If that's the case, than anyone who buys a guitar for the looks of it is a
poser...and I would agree to some extent. I don't know much, but I have
learnedthat you have to play a guitar before you buy it, and if it plays and
sounds good, I personally could care less what it looks like....but I
suspect most people would not buy a guitar that looked dorky, regardless.
SotR
can't they make the guitar sound and play that way with out trashing it's
looks?
I've seen how they make them look old, They beat them with chains, burn
them, rub off the paint ect. How does that contribute to the sound and
playability?
I've played a few of the relic's too. Yes, they are obviously nice
guitar's. But one must assume they were nice before they beat them up. Do
they sell the same guitar with out the all the damage? I'd like one like
that and then put my own "road wear" on it.
SotR
Mark Bedingfield
I wouldn't. Guitars are like cars. Looks first, then feel, then sound.
Relics are a different kettle of fish, trying to buy mojo. Beaten up is
just plain lazy too me. My most reliced guitar is a 1970's Sakai P-bass,
buckle rash arm rash etc. I've made a few personal modifications
myself... good player that one. But I bought it cause I wanted a cheap
P-bass, got it for $60au and it only needed a few parts. Still got the
original (boiled now) strings too.
Mark
The Tao Meister
>
> I wouldn't. Guitars are like cars. Looks first, then feel, then sound.
>
I couldn't possibly disagree more strenuously with that value
prioritization. mvm
VampX
> Now, if you are compelled to buy one of these "fakes" to look cool and
> impress your friends, then yes you are a fucking poser.
I dont need too. I am already cool and I have no friends.:)
user37
> I see Fender has come out with the "shop worn" custom guitar's in the
> regular American Standard price range.
> I think the idea is so stupid. What do you tell people "hey, this is a
> (name year) Strat", lying to them. Or do you say "I paid a ton of money for
> a guitar that they beat up in the factory so I could pretend to have an old
> guitar". Either way is totally lame.
> Then talk about spam. I get the mail this morning with a flyer from GC
> advertising the new "Road worn" Fender's and minutes later I checked my
> e-mail and there was the same ad in my inbox. Boy they get you coming and
> going.
> I wonder how many people that lusted after one of the custom shop worn
> Fender's but couldn't afford one will jump on these?
> I know this subject has been talked about but this is a new, cheaper line.
> What do you think about it?
>
> SotR
>
> Willie Brown to Eugene:
> "Look at this guitar, I bet you bought it 'cause you thought it looked beat
> up".
>
For a while (until I spent the money on other things) I was looking at
the '51 Teles, there were 3 versions - NOS, Closet Classic, and Relic.
NOS was the one I would want, like New Old Stock, I could add my own
wear over the years. Closet Classic had a little wear here & there,
whilst Relic had the dings and more substantial wear.
I suppose at the end of the day it's down to the individual - I could
buy my NOS version and keep it pristine, playing it occasionally,
whereas someone else could play the heck out of their Relic version and
probably make much better use of their guitar than I did - so who's got
the right idea? If the owner is happy then that's all that matters. I
agree though that it would not seem logical (to me) to buy something
pre-damaged.
I'm surprised cycling companies have not come up with Relic'ed bikes,
for those who want to look like they've put in 10,000 miles off the bat :)
Daniel Dreibelbis
Spender <Spe...@Mars.org> wrote:
> >This Joe Strummer model:
> >http://www.fender.com/products/prod_images/guitars/0133900750_xl.jpg
>
> I played one of those at Guitar Center one day. They wanted $950 for it. I
> didn't see the point. I left with an Electron Blue Standard Tele that felt
> better in my hands and sounded great for $350.
I don't think Joe would've approved - in fact, I think Joe would've
suggested to Fender to make it more affordable to Clash fans , or
suggest to same fans to nick it from the shop :)
--
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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=121942
Current Songs - "Barbecue Man"
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The Tao Meister
> On 2009-01-04 07:14:19 +1100, Arlowe <bare....@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Now, if you are compelled to buy one of these "fakes" to look cool and
>> impress your friends, then yes you are a fucking poser.
>
> I dont need too. I am already cool and I have no friends.:)
What ever the gender equivalent title for "Fag Hag" is, I'd
say you've collected quite an online menagerie of them, Veronica.
Where are pics of your face?
VampX
> What ever the gender equivalent title for "Fag Hag" is, I'd
> say you've collected quite an online menagerie of them, Veronica.
>
> Where are pics of your face?
I'm shy.
VampX
<dreib...@HOTsympaticoDEATH.caSPAMMERS> said:
> I don't think Joe would've approved - in fact, I think Joe would've
> suggested to Fender to make it more affordable to Clash fans , or
> suggest to same fans to nick it from the shop :)
Hehehe.. "nick it". I love that phrase.
The Tao Meister
> On 2009-01-04 11:31:58 +1100, The Tao Meister <AG@Huh?What?KissZep.com>
> said:
>
>> What ever the gender equivalent title for "Fag Hag" is, I'd
>> say you've collected quite an online menagerie of them, Veronica.
>>
>> Where are pics of your face?
>
> I'm shy.
Ack ack ack.
VampX
> Ack ack ack.
fft fft fft meow!!
http://www.vampiress.net/images/headshot.jpg
The Tao Meister
> On 2009-01-04 11:31:58 +1100, The Tao Meister <AG@Huh?What?KissZep.com>
> said:
>
>> What ever the gender equivalent title for "Fag Hag" is,
Hmmm-
I Lyke Dyke?
Dick seeks chix w/dix 4 ? & ?
Lez in Fez 4 Prez?
yawn. <click>
The Tao Meister
> On 2009-01-04 11:42:43 +1100, The Tao Meister <AG@Huh?What?KissZep.com>
> said:
>
>> Ack ack ack.
>
> fft fft fft meow!!
>
> http://www.vampiress.net/images/headshot.jpg
Man trapped in a womyns body.
Arlowe
> On 2009-01-04 07:14:19 +1100, Arlowe <bare....@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Now, if you are compelled to buy one of these "fakes" to look cool and
>> impress your friends, then yes you are a fucking poser.
>
> I dont need too. I am already cool
Fair enough :)
>and I have no friends.:)
Liar, liar :)
Rufus
> On 2009-01-04 07:14:19 +1100, Arlowe <bare....@gmail.com> said:
>
>> Now, if you are compelled to buy one of these "fakes" to look cool and
>> impress your friends, then yes you are a fucking poser.
>
> I dont need too. I am already cool and I have no friends.:)
...oohh....oohhh...ooohHH...step right up and buy a fist full of my new
(pat. pend.) MOJO(TM) stickers! The fastest, cheapest, easiest, BEST
way to make and attract friends and impress the idle masses...
...of course, the MOJOCorp(TM), LLC maintains NO liability for the
quality of the friends you actually manage to attract. Please use your
MOJO(TM) responsibly.
--
- Rufus
VampX
> ...oohh....oohhh...ooohHH...step right up and buy a fist full of my new
> (pat. pend.) MOJO(TM) stickers! The fastest, cheapest, easiest, BEST
> way to make and attract friends and impress the idle masses...
>
> ...of course, the MOJOCorp(TM), LLC maintains NO liability for the
> quality of the friends you actually manage to attract. Please use your
> MOJO(TM) responsibly.
I'll take two please.
SotR
afraid to put a scratch on a new guitar. What the fuck is the difference.
You obviously don't mind playing a beat up guitar, why would it matter if
YOU or the factory beat it up?
SotR
Rufus
> On 2009-01-04 12:01:46 +1100, Rufus <n...@home.com> said:
>
>> ...oohh....oohhh...ooohHH...step right up and buy a fist full of my
>> new (pat. pend.) MOJO(TM) stickers! The fastest, cheapest, easiest,
>> BEST way to make and attract friends and impress the idle masses...
>>
>> ...of course, the MOJOCorp(TM), LLC maintains NO liability for the
>> quality of the friends you actually manage to attract. Please use
>> your MOJO(TM) responsibly.
>
> I'll take two please.
...they're already in your mailbox...right behind the spam, I think...or
maybe underneath it...
--
- Rufus
Arlowe
A++++
Twibil
> I don't care that it is a relic, it is the sweetest sounding/playing
> tele I found. Feels completely broken in, and I don't worry about
> dinging or scratching it. It is in my hands almost daily.
>
> Does that make me a poser? If so, I am okay with it.
It's *your* guitar, and if *you* like it, nothing else matters.
Same goes for the selection of music you play on it.
~Pete
Daniel Dreibelbis
VampX <va...@scartissue.com.au> wrote:
> > Ack ack ack.
>
> fft fft fft meow!!
>
> http://www.vampiress.net/images/headshot.jpg
> --
>
oh my...you ARE pretty.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Vamp, but that makes me
wish I was a lesbian :)
Mark Bedingfield
Sound is easy to mould in an electric, its the least concern of a
purchase. Hence only a couple of guitars have their original pups. And
I'm happy with the tone I'm getting. More than happy with the necks on
the guitars I have too. I load resonance in with feel as well. I
couldn't bring myself to buy an Explorer or the like. Someone else here
has a pointy guitar aversion too iirc?
Considering most of my guitars are Fenders, looks isn't really a
problem. And I DO like shell pink ;-) How about a fluro pink one of
these with puke green stripes and bright red inlays ;-p
http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-JAYJTSHARK
Mark
RichL
Hmmmm.....
I think people are really careful with brand-new toys, whether they be
guitars or cars. Substitute "car" for "guitar" in the above and see
where you wind up.
Personally, I don't get the "pre-beaten" thing. But to each his own.
SotR
That is true. But a ding or scratch on a guitar by what we see and hear is
a good thing. The same thing on a car is tragic and super costly. I don't
think analogy translates.
I dare anyone to find a story of a company producing beat up cars because
there is a market.
SotR
VampX
<dreib...@HOTsympaticoDEATH.caSPAMMERS> said:
> I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Vamp, but that makes me
> wish I was a lesbian :)
I'm thinking about turning straight.
RichL
Well, to me a pre-beaten guitar makes about as much sense as a
pre-beaten car.
SotR
pre-beaten car.<<<<
Same here dude. I think most people of sound mind agree.
SotR
SotR
Arlowe
Even some who aren't...
like me :)
The Tao Meister
> In article <016ffd75$0$21875$c3e...@news.astraweb.com>,
> VampX <va...@scartissue.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> Ack ack ack.
>> fft fft fft meow!!
>>
>> http://www.vampiress.net/images/headshot.jpg
>> --
>>
>
> oh my...you ARE pretty.
>
> I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Vamp, but that makes me
> wish I was a lesbian :)
>
Another seriously creepy whackjob skitters out of the shadow...
The Tao Meister
> On 2009-01-04 13:14:10 +1100, Daniel Dreibelbis
> <dreib...@HOTsympaticoDEATH.caSPAMMERS> said:
>
>
>> oh my...you ARE pretty.
>
>> I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Vamp, but that makes me
>> wish I was a lesbian :)
>
> I'm thinking about turning straight.
Gack...and she plays this odd cockroach for all the giggles it's worth.
...the innernet. Hork.
Arlowe
> On 2009-01-04 11:42:43 +1100, The Tao Meister <AG@Huh?What?KissZep.com> said:
>
>> Ack ack ack.
>
> fft fft fft meow!!
>
> http://www.vampiress.net/images/headshot.jpg
You remind me of someone...
only younger...
http://www.rachelsimon.com/images/hmnew-anjelica.jpg
I think she has a thing about black too.
Don Evans
> Some say the Relic's are the best guitars they have ever played.
> Well, why can't they make the guitar sound and play that way with out
> trashing it's looks?
> I've seen how they make them look old, They beat them with chains,
> burn them, rub off the paint ect. How does that contribute to the
> sound and playability?
> I've played a few of the relic's too. Yes, they are obviously nice
> guitar's. But one must assume they were nice before they beat them
> up. Do they sell the same guitar with out the all the damage? I'd
> like one like that and then put my own "road wear" on it.
>
> SotR
Part of the "beating up" is artificially wearing in the neck, bridge and
other parts you touch. On the ones I've played, the necks were really nice
feeling. Honestly, the bridge on one Tele I played was a bit too
realistically "old". But, yeah it's mostly the necks.
Don
Don Evans
I'm fairly clumsy and play hard ... I beat my guitars up just fine, thanks.
Don
Don Evans
Well, there was "Rent-A-Wreck".
Don Evans
OK, thing is, there are some times when I'd like to have my (real) Nocaster
back, warts and all. Granted, the relics aren't what they appear to be, but
a lightly relic'd Nocaster style axe might be nice ... not nice enough that
I've actually bought one, but if someone gave me one, I'd use it.
Don
Daniel Dreibelbis
The Tao Meister <AG@Huh?What?KissZep.com> wrote:
> > oh my...you ARE pretty.
> >
> > I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Vamp, but that makes me
> > wish I was a lesbian :)
> >
>
> Another seriously creepy whackjob skitters out of the shadow...
don't worry, you can skitter back under your rock. No need to bring
attention to yourself :)
Derek
>If you bought it just because it was beat up then yes, you are a poser.
Okay, fair enough. Frankly, I thought it was a vintage guitar when I
picked it up, and feared it was out of my price range at first.
So what about those who buy an artist signature guitarst EVH
(complete with stripes), EJ, EC, Knopfler, Beck, SRV, Slash, Joe
Perry, Zakk,et al?
Does having someone else's name on your guitar make you a poser, or
have poser appeal?