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Too Long in the Wasteland

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Dec 20, 2009, 11:57:12 AM12/20/09
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If you can't find your tone with these many knobs you never will ..


http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/airline3P-big/airline3PDLXwhite.jpg

boardjunkie

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Dec 20, 2009, 12:24:40 PM12/20/09
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On Dec 20, 11:57 am, Too Long in the Wasteland <t...@log.com> wrote:
> If you can't find your tone with these many knobs you never will ..
>
> http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/airline3P-big/a...

Looks to be just a dedicated vol/tone for each p-up and a master vol
at the bottom. No big deal. Good tone ain't about more knobs/more p-
ups anyway....

jtees4

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:17:35 PM12/20/09
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Wow, that is a few knobs! Reminds me of an old Hagstrom I had, but
they were the little slide switches, not knobs....and they never
seemed to do much anyway.

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RichL

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:59:31 PM12/20/09
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Too Long in the Wasteland <t...@log.com> wrote:
> If you can't find your tone with these many knobs you never will ..
>
>
>
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/airline3P-big/airline3PDLXwhite.jpg

All that hardware and still limited to the Strat set of pickup
selections. What a waste.

p.s...I thought I saw Billy Gibbons playing one of those the other night
on TV.


Master Betty

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Dec 20, 2009, 2:18:23 PM12/20/09
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"boardjunkie" <board...@techie.com> wrote in message
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Nah...it's proven. More knobs = more tone.


WB

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Dec 20, 2009, 2:48:00 PM12/20/09
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boardjunkie wrote:
> Good tone ain't about more knobs

oh yeah ?

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/2/5/6/637256.jpg

Rufus

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Dec 20, 2009, 2:56:44 PM12/20/09
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Too Long in the Wasteland wrote:
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> If you can't find your tone with these many knobs you never will ..
>
>
> http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/airline3P-big/airline3PDLXwhite.jpg
>

...that's what Jack White seems to think...

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- Rufus

Rufus

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Dec 20, 2009, 2:57:45 PM12/20/09
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...more knobs = more tone knobs...

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RichL

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Dec 20, 2009, 3:37:25 PM12/20/09
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Spender <Spe...@Mars.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:59:31 -0500, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Too Long in the Wasteland <t...@log.com> wrote:
>>> If you can't find your tone with these many knobs you never will ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/airline3P-big/airline3PDLXwhite.jpg
>>
>> All that hardware and still limited to the Strat set of pickup
>> selections. What a waste.
>
> It looks like it's a volume and tone for each pickup, with a master
> volume at the bottom. I can see how some tweakers would find that
> useful.

Maybe, but still you can't get bridge + neck pickups together or all
three.

> Or maybe the theory is similar to Bill Cosby's Philco radio with 400
> knobs. Only one knob actually did anything - the rest were extras in
> case that knob broke.

Heh...that line was at the beginning of "The Chicken Heart", one of my
favorite Cosby routines.


jtees4

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Dec 20, 2009, 4:01:31 PM12/20/09
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I've passed on a few amps simply because they had double rows of
knobs...just don't like it.

Restless Fingers Syndrome

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Dec 20, 2009, 4:16:03 PM12/20/09
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Rufus wrote:
> ...that's what Jack White seems to think...
>

I'll take promo gear any day ...

Mark Bedingfield

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Dec 20, 2009, 4:19:02 PM12/20/09
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jtees4 wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:48:00 -0600, WB <nos...@no.com> wrote:
>
>> boardjunkie wrote:
>>> Good tone ain't about more knobs
>> oh yeah ?
>>
>> http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/2/5/6/637256.jpg
>
> I've passed on a few amps simply because they had double rows of
> knobs...just don't like it.
>

For sure, the simpler the better IMO. The Epi VJ is the epitome of that,
just one knob. Like its master. ;-)

Mark

Too Long in the Wasteland

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Dec 20, 2009, 4:22:42 PM12/20/09
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RichL wrote:
> All that hardware and still limited to the Strat set of pickup
> selections. What a waste.
>

IMO .. The intent is to "blend" the PU's with the volume setting of
each .. add a P/P phase switch and split coils ...
I can barely keep track of 2 knobs ... 7 .. no way, but the *cool*
factor is beyond measurement.


> Billy Gibbons playing
>

a Gretsch ..

jtees4

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Dec 20, 2009, 4:25:22 PM12/20/09
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I agree, but I also have to admit...I had an Epi VJ combo....and I
missed the tone knobs as well as a reverb. So I guess I need at least
three knobs on an amp to be really happy. Guitars is another story, it
depends on the guitar. I have one that i modded to have zero knobs,
and I'm fine with it.

Les Cargill

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Dec 20, 2009, 6:15:17 PM12/20/09
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Too Long in the Wasteland wrote:
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> If you can't find your tone with these many knobs you never will ..
>
>
> http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/airline3P-big/airline3PDLXwhite.jpg
>

More Knobs = Less Tone.

--
Les Cargill

RichL

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Dec 20, 2009, 6:18:12 PM12/20/09
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Too Long in the Wasteland <t...@log.com> wrote:
> RichL wrote:
>> All that hardware and still limited to the Strat set of pickup
>> selections. What a waste.
>>
>
> IMO .. The intent is to "blend" the PU's with the volume setting of
> each .. add a P/P phase switch and split coils ...
> I can barely keep track of 2 knobs ... 7 .. no way, but the *cool*
> factor is beyond measurement.

But that selector switch -- does it even allow you to have all three
pickups on at once so you *can* blend 'em?

>> Billy Gibbons playing
>>
>
> a Gretsch ..

Heh...you're right (just googled it). You gotta admit, there are
certain similarities!


Mark Bedingfield

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Dec 20, 2009, 7:29:46 PM12/20/09
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I'll confess to using a Graphic Eq with my epi, but I could just have
easily used a treble booster or get around to installing that damned
bright switch.

I don't use guitar tone controls a lot as a like them as clean as
possible mostly. Sometimes I tweak the neck pup tone a little. What I do
like is middle and neck with tone down on the neck pup, on a Strat. Very
tasty.

Mark

JB

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Dec 20, 2009, 7:35:21 PM12/20/09
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Les Cargill wrote:

That depends. Are they vintage knobs with lots of mojo, or cheap
imitation "re-issues"?

Rufus

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Dec 20, 2009, 7:37:45 PM12/20/09
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...but those vintage knobs aren't true bypass...

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- Rufus

JB

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Dec 20, 2009, 7:59:38 PM12/20/09
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Rufus wrote:

Mod them.

It's well worth it. Vintage knobs are more dense and thus resonate
better.

Rufus

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Dec 20, 2009, 8:21:04 PM12/20/09
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...that's only because the new ones are chambered. That's supposed to
make them sound "vintage", but I don't think purists are buying it.

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- Rufus

Stephen Cowell

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Dec 21, 2009, 12:22:01 AM12/21/09
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"WB" <nos...@no.com> wrote in message
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That ain't nothin'... you haven't seen the new JXX Super Duper?

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WB

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Dec 21, 2009, 9:07:46 AM12/21/09
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Stephen Cowell wrote:

Useless .. what where they thinking ... IT HAS NO TREMOLO !!!!!


jtees4

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Dec 21, 2009, 9:36:06 AM12/21/09
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At least they are not Epiphone or MIM Fender knobs.

Stephen Cowell

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Dec 21, 2009, 11:08:14 AM12/21/09
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"WB" <sp...@there.com> wrote in message
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But it *does* have *ten* treble knobs.

I need that in an amp.
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Too Long in the Wasteland

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Dec 21, 2009, 11:30:14 AM12/21/09
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RichL wrote:
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> But that selector switch -- does it even allow you to have all three
> pickups on at once so you *can* blend 'em?

The *cool* factor over rides that limitation.

Wrong_Note_Rod

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Dec 21, 2009, 12:15:41 PM12/21/09
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yowza! thats almost as bad as my old Boogie Mk4.

i think it was Johnny winter who said, they ruined the Fender Twin when
they put a midrange knob on it.

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WB

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Dec 21, 2009, 1:50:39 PM12/21/09
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Stephen Cowell wrote:
>> Useless .. what where they thinking ... IT HAS NO TREMOLO !!!!!
>
> But it *does* have *ten* treble knobs.
>
> I need that in an amp.
>
My one knob goes to 11 .

Rufus

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Dec 21, 2009, 3:28:02 PM12/21/09
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...one does have to be weary of counterfeits.

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