(MUCH LAUGHTER)
Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / http://www.fulltone.com
Don't be so snide, when he gets it working you'll realize how much $$ you're
down.
(even more laughter)
That <one> pedal would have put me into the seat of the Lear I've been looking
at (I'm pissed)....now I'm just gonna have to settle for the Tahoe Z 71.
>>i am building a fulltone 69 pedal from a schematic. if anyone is familier
>>with
>>this i could use some help. i get sound, and volume control, but no
>>distortion, and the other two controls do not work either
>
>(MUCH LAUGHTER)
>Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / http://www.fulltone.com
Aw, c'mon Mike, you never had no glitches when you tried making your
first fuzz face?
Yes, because I didn't have the right transistors and spent thousands$ buying
every substitute imaginable until I gave up and had 'em custom made.
The truth is even when he gets if working it'll sound like shit unless he has
the right transistors. Hint...<not> NTE103A, NTE58, 527, SFT363, SFT337, AC128.
If you can find white based Toshiba 2SB415, those are actually pretty good, but
buy 10 or more to get 2 good ones.
catalinbread
In article <19991218120213...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Nice of you to help the guy, Mike. But in all seriousness, it may not sound
like "shit", it may just sound different. One man's shit is another man's
shinola!
psychov12
My web site is not here to help you build pedals little boy....it's here to
sell pedals, which it does very well thanks.
Funny, she seemed ok with the Pearl necklace I gave her.
You ought to try using some and improve your tone.....if not, I would retain a
lawyer
for when you get sued.
On that note. What a way to run a business. You are being a jerk. Anyone
asking about cloning your pedals are most likely not gonna buy one
anyway. Maybe if they give up DIY projects they will.So lighten up! Some
of us are potential customers you are turning away!
catalinbread
In article <19991219020516...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
>>Did you forget the epoxy? Damn, I will never be able to get mine right
>>because of this.
>>My girlfriend is sensitized to the stuff and breaks out in hives if she
>>even smells it!
>
>Funny, she seemed ok with the Pearl necklace I gave her.
>Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. / http://www.fulltone.com
Man, that's harsh. Really uncalled for. I don't see why Mike should be
so upset if a couple of dudes are trying to build their own version of
his pedals, which are just tweaked copies of other pedals. Maybe these
guys will catch on and come up with their own tweaks, I dunno. I don't
think these cats are going to start their own businesses, they're just
experimenting and building pedals for their own use. I just don't see
why Mike has to feel so threatened.
>you can think what you want, but it's kind of rude to ask an effects maker for
>their schematic....
Actually the original poster was just asking for some technical help
of a general nature concerning a schematic that supposedly duplicated
the Fulltone 69 layout. It is kind of a compliment to Mike Fullers
original design work that a small group of technically inclined
hobbyists types are interested in attempting to duplicate this
particular pedals merit, but if I were Mike myself, I wouldn't
necessarily care to see my patented handiwork in the public domain for
the taking.
>everyone always wants to get the schmatics to these boutique pedals, but they
>won't do you much good without the correct parts and good electronics
not necessarily true, as mentioned in a prior response, sometimes
getting close reveals its own brand on magic.
Personally I buy Mike's stuff (Octafuzz, DejaVibe2, FullDrive2 and
soon to have a SupaTrem) as do legions of other tone devotees. I also
believe that the people that do one-offs of pedals for their own use
have their place. Its gonna happen because this shit is respected and
well engineered.
regards,
jim
Actually, chefs at "fine gourmet" restaurants are quite accustomed to
getting requests for recipes. Expect to pay for it, is all--sometimes
a few hundred dollars if the recipe and or chef is famous. (You have
to be eating in a *truly* fine restaurant. Not a restaurant that only
pretends to be a truly fine restaurant. There's a difference.)
Any effects or amp circuit can be reverse-engineered by someone who
(has access to someone who) really knows what they're doing and is
patient enough. Many people making effects today acknowledge that
they (had someone knowledgable who) spent lots of time going over
vintage effects to figure them out. Even more than acknowledge this--
some of them out and out use it to brag about why their circuit
designs are so good.
Neither of these statements, however, implies that I believe any given
effects manufactuerer is under any obligation to cough up details
about how to build their effects to anybody who asks.
--
Disclaimer: These are simply some of my personal opinions.
UPDATED 12/15/1999 http://home.earthlink.net/~huddler
>On that note. What a way to run a business. You are being a jerk. Anyone
>asking about cloning your pedals are most likely not gonna buy one
>anyway. Maybe if they give up DIY projects they will.So lighten up! Some
>of us are potential customers you are turning away!
Don't you guys have any sense of humor?
Do we have to use a :-) when we make a joke?
p.s. do you have any naked pictures of your girlfriend? No? Want to buy some?
Regards, mike ~^v^~ aNaLoG.MaN ~^v^~
Mike "at" analogman dot com http://www.analogman.com
psychov12
please, no flames. all other comments welcome in email psyc...@aol.com
You should go to www.ampage.org and access the BBS. There are plenty of
technical people there who can supply you with all the help you need on
effects building, including fuzzface clones like the 69.
I'm disappointed with Fuller's attitude. He obviously doesn't care what
potential customers think, so be sure to remember that the next time you
are in the market for an effects unit. Considering that all of his
products are ripoffs of commercial boxes (with a few tweaks) he doesn't
have any room for attitude. There are plenty of other boutique effects
designers who are making clones of the fuzzface or TS-808, with tweaks
and quality workmanship to match his.
FM5
catalinbread
In article <19991219204048...@ng-fy1.aol.com>,
PSYCHOv12 wrote:
> << as i have never seen one in a store,
> i have no idea what they sound like, but i know what mine sounds like. someone
> mentioned that your rudeness could push away customers. they are right. i
> would now rather get my fuzz from a blown speaker than from one of your
> products. >>
Suprise, a guy asking for help on cloning one of my pedals threatens to not buy
anything from me in the future....there're some sales I was counting on.
Now how could I lighten up any further than the ridiculous comeback I made
to you regarding your girlfriend....see that was a joke, (ha ha?)
catali...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Cute one Mike! I have to say if you don't know the difference between
> epoxy and pearls there are other issues here...
>
> On that note. What a way to run a business. You are being a jerk. Anyone
> asking about cloning your pedals are most likely not gonna buy one
> anyway. Maybe if they give up DIY projects they will.So lighten up! Some
> of us are potential customers you are turning away!
>
> catalinbread
>
> In article <19991219020516...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
> full...@aol.com (Fulltone) wrote:
> > >Did you forget the epoxy? Damn, I will never be able to get mine
> right
> > >because of this.
> > >My girlfriend is sensitized to the stuff and breaks out in hives if
> she
> > >even smells it!
> >
> > Funny, she seemed ok with the Pearl necklace I gave her.
> > Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. /
> http://www.fulltone.com
> >
>
The only thing Mike Fuller said in reply to the initial posts, was to laugh, if
I'm not mistaken. I took that to indicate that Mike had searched long and hard
to find the exact balance is selecting his components, and that it would be a
monumental task for a hobbiest to achieve similar results.
I don't blame him for not rushing to help the guy. Mike puts hours of work,
and thousands of dollars into his product. It's made of components that can by
bought by anyone, given the time and know-how to figure out what they are, and
the money to pay for them.
The act of designing (or adapting) the circuit, selecting the materials, and
building the device IS the product... not the individual components. So why
would he just give that away?
On the other hand, I fully support the right of the original poster to
experiment and build to his hearts content. Just don't expect help from the
manufacturer. Don't begrudge Mike for not helping. Don't begrudge what Mike
earns for his hard work. After all, the people who pay Mike for his products,
do so of their own free choice.
Just relax on this one, people...
bsbd
Steve Higdon
mr. fulltone
> man. by the way, your web sight was of no help
Yeah Mike,
Why doesn't your web page have all of your schematics, parts lists, and
names of your suppliers? You really should be more fair to those of us that
want to rip you off.
That concludes today's example of sarcasm.
>
>I'm disappointed with Fuller's attitude. He obviously doesn't care what
>potential customers think, so be sure to remember that the next time you
>are in the market for an effects unit.
I guess he should just hand over his scematics to all who ask, right?
You need a fuzz box stuck up your ass with that attitude
IMO, Mike Fuller shouldn't give that away, but shouldn't react with
hostility to a hobbyist experimenting with circuits. Friendliness (i.e.
customer service and public relations) is a part of business, too.
Rich
PSYCHOv12 wrote:
> for one thing i didnt ask the manufacturer for details. i asked for some help
> with the layout of the schematic. i build effects for the pleasure of doing
> it. i dont sell them or build them for others. i did not ask for Mr.
> fulltone's (as i call him) criticisms. the last comment from him i recieved by
> email. i told him that i had the pedal working and he stated that I do not know
> what sounds good. i do not know what sounds good to me? come on, mr. fulltone.
> i have not been rude to you, or tried to harm your buisness. im sure my copy
> sounds very different from your original. as i have never seen one in a store,
> i have no idea what they sound like, but i know what mine sounds like. someone
> mentioned that your rudeness could push away customers. they are right. i
> would now rather get my fuzz from a blown speaker than from one of your
Go to my web site and check out the
Christmas special (jingle bells) then!
(turn on your speakers, too!)
Let's just say that "Pearl Necklace" is slang for a "biological fluid
adornment". In case you didn't get Mike's true meaning.
A.T.
<catali...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:83jqri$t1i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
That pc of advice cost me thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours because
you just have to experiement until you find ones that work.....WELL.
--
Jason
"Remember.... if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least
find you handy."
{Steve Smith a.k.a. Red Green}
"I'm the one who's got to die when it's time for me to die. So let me
live my life the way I want to."
{Jimi Hendrix - "If Six was Nine"}
"I'm innovative. I'm ahead of my time. Unfortunately it's only about an
hour and a half ahead."
{George Carlin>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, ALAN THOMPSON wrote:
> "That's not jewelry she's talkin' 'bout........" ("Pearl Necklace", ZZ
> Top)
>
> Let's just say that "Pearl Necklace" is slang for a "biological fluid
> adornment". In case you didn't get Mike's true meaning.
>
> A.T.
>
>
> <catali...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:83jqri$t1i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Cute one Mike! I have to say if you don't know the difference between
> > epoxy and pearls there are other issues here...
> >
> > On that note. What a way to run a business. You are being a jerk. Anyone
> > asking about cloning your pedals are most likely not gonna buy one
> > anyway. Maybe if they give up DIY projects they will.So lighten up! Some
> > of us are potential customers you are turning away!
> >
> > catalinbread
> >
> > In article <19991219020516...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
> > full...@aol.com (Fulltone) wrote:
> > > >Did you forget the epoxy? Damn, I will never be able to get mine
> > right
> > > >because of this.
> > > >My girlfriend is sensitized to the stuff and breaks out in hives if
> > she
> > > >even smells it!
> > >
> > > Funny, she seemed ok with the Pearl necklace I gave her.
> > > Michael Fuller / Fulltone Musical Products Inc. /
> > http://www.fulltone.com
> > >
> >
> >
Fulltone wrote:
> >
> >Aw, c'mon Mike, you never had no glitches when you tried making your
> >first fuzz face?
> >
>
> Yes, because I didn't have the right transistors and spent thousands$ buying
> every substitute imaginable until I gave up and had 'em custom made.
> The truth is even when he gets if working it'll sound like shit unless he has
> the right transistors. Hint...<not> NTE103A, NTE58, 527, SFT363, SFT337, AC128.
> If you can find white based Toshiba 2SB415, those are actually pretty good, but
> buy 10 or more to get 2 good ones.
number one, i did not ask you specificly for help. i asked anyone who
POSIBIBLY COULD help. as for cloning, having used different transistors than
yours, its not an exact copy, therefore not a clone. also, i did not threaten
not to buy one. a threat could or could not come true. what i said was a
promise. and its not because you would not give me specifics WHICH I DID NOT
ASK FROM YOU, but because you were generally rude. i wouldnt buy anything from
anyone in a retail buisness that was rude to me. what it all comes back to is
this, if you dont want to answer my question, dont reply at all. if you must be
rude to comment to me, then keep it to yourself. not once was i that way to
you. did i not say thank you when you reffered me to your sight? i was not
being sarcasstic. when you first posted your web adress i assumed it was for
me to refference the info i was seeking since you did not say otherwise.
finding it was not, i said thank you anyway. by the way, for the posting
commenting that mr. fulltone put hours into his work, that is probobly true. he
is probobly more knowledgable than me in electronics. i am a HOBBIEST. this
is something i do for enjoyment. i spent a few hours myself trying to work it
out. having exhausted what little i did know, i asked for help. i suggest
everyone who ever needs advice or help to ask, how else will anyone ever learn
anything?
If Mike does not feel motivated to help out this person, which he is
in no way obligated to, he can certainly keep his snide comments to
himself. In fact it seems that Fuller may have succeeded in
discouraging potential helpers, who may end up on the receiving end of
insults themselves.
I've seen a thread around in one of the other guitar newsgroups
detailing an e-mail dialogue between Fuller and someone else, with the
implication that Fuller was somewhat less than polite. Knowing the
potential for customers to be quite rude and turn it around on a
businessperson, I paid it little mind, but this thread brings it back
to mind right now.
I find a bit of hypocrisy and chutzpah in the fact that someone can be
so protective of a design that is in itself a slightly modified
version of another commercial effect. In fact, that is how Fuller
makes his living. I understand he uses carefully matched components,
and his effects are top-notch. I use a fulldrive II and I enjoy it.
That is why I pay the premium price for his gear. That is also why I
don't understand why he has to belittle this guy, who poses absolutely
no threat to Fuller's work or livelihood.
Maybe I'm reading into this too much, and I apologize to Mr. Fuller if
I am, but it looks like he's looking down his nose at a "mere
hobbyist" for having the gall to try to reproduce one of "his"
designs.
On 20 Dec 1999 18:00:47 GMT, steve...@aol.comspamnot (Steve Higdon)
wrote:
That's what I meant when I said "ECG58"....NTE/ECG same racket....horrible
transistors for a fuzz(IMO), probably the worst I've tried.
ECG and NTE just repackage whatever they can find that's even remotely close to
what it crosses for in their book. Try 'em, and if you like 'em, great!
You might be right. As I recall, the first few replies that Mike posted on
this thread were merely <laughter>. I, possibly in a generous mood, too that
as someone who had put much toil and money into the craft saying....
essentially "good luck, it's an uphill battle, you're better off buying one
from me..."
Of course things went downhill from there. Rather amusing, overall.
Steve Higdon
posted and mailed
A bit off topic, but I've always wanted to ask you this. Do you have a
dealer in Australia, or should I just do what I always do when I want some
high-end gear from the States - wait for a ship to sink and look thru the
wreckage that washes up on shore.
The original poster never asked Mr. Fuller for a schematic. He simple
asked the newsgroup for some help in building the pedal. Since many
people in this group are DIY'ers, I would think this would be the
appropriate place to do that. Shame about Fuller's uncouth reply
regarding the "pearl necklace"
>The original poster never asked Mr. Fuller for a schematic. He simple
>asked the newsgroup for some help in building the pedal. Since many
>people in this group are DIY'ers, I would think this would be the
>appropriate place to do that. Shame about Fuller's uncouth reply
>regarding the "pearl necklace"
I agree. The pearl necklace comment was quite immature and
unprofessional, and may have turned me off from Fulltone products. And
no, Mr. Fuller, people do *NOT* know that you're joking when you leave out
a ";-)" Sure didn't seem to be a jovial and lighthearted joke to me.
Whatever though,
Jeff Goldberg
--
"We regret more the things we didn't do than the things we did."
-Huletts Sugars sugar packet
>I agree. The pearl necklace comment was quite immature and
>unprofessional, and may have turned me off from Fulltone products.
Really? I found the joke hillarious....
Not only will I keep the Fulltone pedals I currently own, but based on that
joke, which I enjoyed, I will buy some more Fulltone pedals.
I like when the guy who makes my effects tells jokes.
Carl
>In article <83qmbi$kbi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, epgu...@cajunnet.com wrote:
>
>>The original poster never asked Mr. Fuller for a schematic. He simple
>>asked the newsgroup for some help in building the pedal. Since many
>>people in this group are DIY'ers, I would think this would be the
>>appropriate place to do that. Shame about Fuller's uncouth reply
>>regarding the "pearl necklace"
>
>I agree. The pearl necklace comment was quite immature and
>unprofessional, and may have turned me off from Fulltone products. And
>no, Mr. Fuller, people do *NOT* know that you're joking when you leave out
>a ";-)" Sure didn't seem to be a jovial and lighthearted joke to me.
>
>Whatever though,
>Jeff Goldberg
I hate to say it, but I agree. I'm quite a fan of
Fuller's work as well as his playing but that
"pearl necklace" barb didn't come across as funny
to me. Actually, my thoughts were "holy shit
Michael!! What the hell was THAT???". People
familiar w/ me know that I love low brow humor as
much as anybody, but I thought that one came out
of nowhere and, without the : ), seemed more like
it meant something along the lines of "fuck you
cocksucker" or similar.
I think it's important if you're going to say
something in jest using any kind of deragatory
(sp?) language, to include the smiley. How much
trouble is it afterall? Two extra strokes on the
keys and you can avoid all the hostile replies.
Seems sensible to me.
I'm level headed enough to avoid going ballistic
over stuff like this though. So, Mike,.... ain't
got nothin' but love for ya... but sometimes it's
just better to fly low and avoid the radar.
(continued howling laughter)
Jeff Goldberg wrote:
<<I agree. The pearl necklace comment was quite immature andunprofessional,
and may have turned me off from Fulltone products. >>
You are hereby banned and not allowed to buy any of my products, I will
circulate a memo first thing tomorrow!
>Guess you'd enjoy a good joke about him sprinking a few "pearls" on your
>significant other, Ginger, or whoever. Whatever, dude. Your comments
>don't carry much weight on usenet anyway.
A jokes a joke. You're comments carry no weight at all.
>You don't offer any products
>and services, other than janitorial, so you don't have to maintain a
>professional attitude, I guess.
How many jaitors own three Groshes, a few Strats, an SLO-100, Bogner cstasy,
and expecting the arrival of a $3500 Two Rock amp?
Your "logic" is flawed spock.
You read too many Feder testamonials.
>Personally, if someone made that comment to me, to my face, I'd put a
>hurting to him.
Sure you would.
>Seeing how you crawfished your way out of the boxing match with Feder, I
>don't guess you'd be up to that either.
>>
Hey Ed, next time your in town, I'll personally give your significant other a
pearl necklace. LOL
>> >I agree. The pearl necklace comment was quite immature and
>> >unprofessional, and may have turned me off from Fulltone products.
You have no money to buy picks and strings....let alone a $200 pedal.
Continue using your Ibanez Sound Tanks.....that's more your style.
>Personally, if someone made that comment to me, to my face, I'd put a
>hurting to him.
I think YOU took one too many pearl necklesses....phaaag
Bob Maggio --owns several Fulltone pedals and loves them.
>Jeff Goldberg wrote:
><<I agree. The pearl necklace comment was quite immature andunprofessional,
>and may have turned me off from Fulltone products. >>
> Not only will I keep the Fulltone pedals I currently own, but based on
> that joke, which I enjoyed, I will buy some more Fulltone pedals.
Whatever floats thy boat. Personally, I only buy the effects that
produce the sounds I want.
--
Disclaimer: These are simply some of my personal opinions.
UPDATED 12/15/1999 http://home.earthlink.net/~huddler
Bob Maggio -was once a newbie.
>Woah wait, A rare sighting!.....a sense of humor on an internet newsgroup)
>From: Michael Fuller full...@mediaone.net
"Pearl Necklace" sounds like it may be a Phaser pedal....in any event, have
plenty of tissue ready before you change the battery.
Carl
It will cost you though...
FWIW
PatRICK ;)
Gol...@aol.com
Chris Walton
Carlginger <carlg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991222203007...@ng-cl1.aol.com...
A.T.
Chris Walton <ch...@narissa.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:83sgor$783$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
I <knew> something good would come out of this!
The "pearl necklace" pedal really sucks.
Regards, mike ~^v^~ aNaLoG.MaN ~^v^~
Mike "at" analogman dot com http://www.analogman.com
>Hi,
>
>The "pearl necklace" pedal really sucks.
It obviously doesn't swallow.
damn! (much laughter)...
this has been a fun thread, even thought it started out a bit unhappily. tell
you what, though.....mike fuller gave ALL of you hobbyists hundreds of dollars
and hours worth of transistor advice by telling you what NOt to get.....so
there has been some goodness in this thread, as well as some humor.
bobby d
bobby devito-guitarist
the official bobby devito website
http://bobbydevito.bluesguitar.com
bobby...@bluesguitar.com
You have to use it with a good head.
catalinbread
In article <19991223101935...@ng-cr1.aol.com>,
Is that what they're calling it now???