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JB

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:58:43 PM12/23/09
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Hey gang!

I'm a veteran player who took an extended vacation. About 15 months
ago I got the bug again and started replacing all the stuff I gave
away many years ago. Snatched up the best my ear and wallet we're
both comfortable with... a USA Strat and Blues DeVille 4x10 reissue
with a tube swap, if it matters. Also picked up a Digitech RP 500
with the notion of doing a lot of experimenting searching for "my
sound" again, and bedroom/headphone volume stuff. Lots of toys there
to play with and I'm really happy as far as it goes, but I've been
drafted for some real work and as a matter of personal preference
I'd like to put together a traditional pedal board. On a less than
unlimited budget.

I also treated myself to a Taylor 210CE acoustic that will
undoubtedly find its way into the fray.

Genre is classic and southern rock, blues, and country. Lots of
material that dictates the instrument shine through the effect.
Tone suckers need not apply. ;)

I'm absolutely one of those "try before you buy" guys. What I'm
looking for is guidance and recommendations regarding pedals people
consider "bargains", diamonds in the rough, all that yadda. A
place to start looking in earnest. I've already picked up a Bad
Monkey based on reviews and my ear for example. I'm also open to
suggestions regarding a pedalboard itself. I was thinking Voodoo
Labs Pedal Power 2 and a home brew board, but if anyone likes an
off the shelf powered board I'd appreciate knowing about that too.

I'll be needin' all the usual suspects... chorus, delay, clean boost
compression, noise gate, EQ, wha/expression, a "classic"
fuzz/distortion to pick up where the Monkey leaves off, etc. Not so
interested in anything "metal" or "grunge", but I'm also a die hard
believer that the musician makes the instrument sing, not the label
on the box or the color of the powdercoat.

So with all that in mind, if you have any personal "my GOD this
thing is da bomb for 50 pesos" favorites I'd really be happy
hearing about them. I've been out of the loop for well over a
decade and to be candid, I'm overwhelmed by the sheer volume and
wide range of opinions out there in various "review" links. So here
I am trying to add to that confusion. ;)

Thanks in advance one and all, and Happy Holidays!

Tony Done

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:03:43 PM12/23/09
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"JB" <no...@server.null> wrote in message
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I play folk and blues slide on electric, plus a bit of conventional electric
blues, and reckon I need three pedals, compressor, OD and delay/reverb.

I have a Bad Monkey, great 808-type sound with the advantage of useful tone
controls.

The Behringer two knob compressor (metal box, not plastic like their
horrible three-knob pedals) DC9 is IMO very good at any price. It is quiet
as compressors go and has a wide range of effect in the Dynacomp style. This
means it does colour the sound a bit, making it more trebly, but not enough
to be a major annoyance. If you leave it on all the time as I do, the extra
treble can be EQed out elsewhere in the chain. As with all Behringer pedals,
I would try before buying and get it somewhere where it can be easily
returned if it stops working. No problem with mine so far.

The BYOC 5-knob compressor is excellent if you have a soldering iron. The
kits are good quality and the instructions easy to follow.

For delay/reverb I have an Ibanez Tonelok DE-7 that I'm happy with.

Tony D

Rufus

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:11:26 PM12/23/09
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As far as a pedal board and a power set go, I'm totally and completely
sold on the Pedaltrain/Pedal Snake combination -

http://pedaltrain.com/home

http://www.pedalsnake.com/

Completely modular, so you can just buy/build to suit your need. And
makes setup and tear down a complete breeze - you simply pull the Snake
at the amp side, and roll it up into the box. Really quiet, really
easy, really works.

You can mount a power supply on a Pedaltrain, but I'm not a fan of
having a power supply on my board (reduces potential for hum), so I use
the 1-Spot from Visual Sound -

http://www.visualsound.net/index.php/products/1spot

I own two of these setups - a large stereo rig with 11 pedals mounted,
and a small mono one with 6 pedals mounted. Which is deceiving, because
of the 6 pedals one is a Morley wah/vol/distortion and one is a
chorus/echo (Visual Sound H2O) so I really have 9 effects on that small
board. I use a 1-Spot for power on both setups, and a dual isolated
power line to push both 9 and 12 VDC (using the OEM wart for the one
pedal that needs it) to pedals on my big setup.

I use the small rig with my Strat, and the big stereo half stack setup
with my Les Pauls. I really like the distortion in my Morley
wah/vol/distortion with my Strat - just the right ticket. Don't like
distortions or fuzz with my Gibsons...my amps drive just right; but I do
also use a Fullton OCD in each rig as a driver pedal - the combination
of the Morley distortion with the OCD can get me into grunge-land if I
want it, and each alone has it's own flavor. So my little board is very
versatile.

For a gate - nothing I've found better for a stomp gate/compressor than
the Nova Dynamics pedal from TC Electronic -

http://www.tcelectronic.com/novadynamics.asp

I use mine as a dual gate - very fast/hard gating...that's what I was
after. But you can use one side as a gate and the other as a compressor
if you like (I'm not a fan of compression pedals - I like to let the
tubes do it) - it's another 2-4-1 type pedal...I like those when I can
find 'em, they save room on your board.

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- Rufus

TheChris

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:18:40 PM12/23/09
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Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote in
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Let me know if you want to buy another PedalTrain... I'm done with
mine... :)

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jtees4

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:27:04 PM12/23/09
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:03:43 GMT, "Tony Done" <tony...@bigpond.com>
wrote:

Beat me to it...Bad Monkey for sure! WOW, I was also going to mention
the Behringer Compressor...I have the same one...it is pretty good
actually.

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Master Betty

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:30:25 PM12/23/09
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"JB" <no...@server.null> wrote in message
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Look at Fulltone stuff. Not cheap but worth it. Particularly if you're
looking for a wah. I looked at all the usual wahs and Fulltone's is,
with-out-a-doubt, the least of the tone suckers. For clean boost I'd
recommend a Voodoo Lab Sparkle drive. Cheap, and again, not a tone sucker.
For a fuzz distortion look into MI Audio stuff. They have a couple of fuzz
types. The MI Audio Tube Zone provides everything from clean boost to OVER
the top metal drive and is a true bypass. Enough knobs to dial in just about
anything you could want.

The rest of the line up I don't have much of an opinion but will follow this
thread for ideas.

Merry Christmas

Restless Fingers Syndrome

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:36:33 PM12/23/09
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JB wrote:
> Hey gang!
>
> I'm a veteran player who took an extended vacation. About 15 months
> ago I got the bug again and started replacing all the stuff I gave
> away many years ago. Snatched up the best my ear and wallet we're
> both comfortable with... a USA Strat and Blues DeVille 4x10 reissue
> with a tube swap, if it matters. Also picked up a Digitech RP 500
> with the notion of doing a lot of experimenting searching for "my
> sound" again, and bedroom/headphone volume stuff. Lots of toys there
> to play with and I'm really happy as far as it goes, but I've been
> drafted for some real work and as a matter of personal preference
> I'd like to put together a traditional pedal board. On a less than
> unlimited budget.
>
rp500 should fit pretty well ... i dumped my stomp boxes years
ago for GNX1 and planning out doing a lick on Santa's slid
when he stops in da hood.


> Thanks in advance one and all, and Happy Holidays!
>

what zip do you practice in ?

77318.

Jim

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:12:50 PM12/23/09
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JB wrote:
> Hey gang!......

> So with all that in mind, if you have any personal "my GOD this
> thing is da bomb for 50 pesos"

Keep you eye out for the Ibanez L series. I say that for a couple of
reasons -- it's a LOW PRODUCTION series, so it ought to appreciate in
the future. It's often THE SAME unit as the Ibanez 9-series. It's
reliable.

Examples:

BCL Chorus. You'll pay $150+ for Maxon or Ibanez 9-series Bi-Mode
Chorus. But the BCL (with lower production numbers, but made by Maxon)
can be had for under $50 on ebay.

Check this link for a list, then snipe ebay auctions:
http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/ibanez/master

Beats the hell outta plastic Chinese Behringer crap, and the like.

BlueBuyYoo

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Dec 23, 2009, 9:16:42 PM12/23/09
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Check out the Danelectro Cool Cat line. Inexpensive, solid build and
nice sounds. I have the drive and vibe and they sound great.

Master Betty

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Dec 23, 2009, 9:37:59 PM12/23/09
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Vibes are cool......I used to be addicted to chorus but vibrato is strangely
similar. You still hear different harmonics.

No need to go beyond a wah, fuzz, modulator (pedals). Truly rotating
speakers would be ideal. The first time I heard a live Leslie I fell in
love. Built-in amp clean gain, reverb, and vibrato's are the way to go.
AASN: Voodoo lab (Dunlop clone) Micro Vibe is a pretty meek pedal. I
haven't tried a lot of vibe pedals. Love Pickle is supposed to be nice but
only one knob. Mini Deja 2 is too expensive. :( "One of these days" I'm
going to get a Leslie cab.

Jim

Arlowe

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Dec 23, 2009, 10:04:07 PM12/23/09
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Master Betty explained :

I bought a Dano CC transparent od and I must say...damn nice for 50
bucks!


underwood

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Dec 24, 2009, 4:00:50 AM12/24/09
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Hi!

Not cheap but the best compressor I've heard and is on my board is the
barber tone press. I've had lots of compressors including the EHX
Black Finger (Tube-Compressor) but the tone-press doesn't alter the
tone to mutch and the mix option is very important for me.

A very nice distortion/fuzz is the catalinabread hyperpack. Very small
box with a very big sound. The sound is very open with lots of
headroom. Take a look at the pro guitar shop demo of it on youtube.

Also the box of rock is a nice pedal, worth to try out.

And if you are not only looking for new stuff take a look at the Proel
Distortion and the Expandorra 2000R.

greets
Jürgen

underwoodblog.blogspot.com

The Interceptor

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Dec 24, 2009, 4:40:34 AM12/24/09
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"JB" <no...@server.null> wrote in message
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I have a Bad Monkey, which is not bad, but my Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive is my
preferred overdrive - especially for lower-gain sounds. The ability to
blend clean signal with the overdriven signal puts it ahead of the Bad
Monkey in my opinion.

A compressor is great (especially with a Strat) for some of the sounds you
seem to be into. I use a Boss CS-3 which is works well for me.

Brett


Monster Zero

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Dec 24, 2009, 8:40:05 AM12/24/09
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I'm curious why you are getting away from the RP-500? I'm asking
because I am about to buy one and would love an opinion good or bad
from someone who has had it for awhile. I am the King of 'bang for the
buck" so here's my current chain

guitar>Ibanez WD-7 Weeping Demon Wah>Zoom G2 MFX (used for modulation
fx)>Bad Monkey>BBE Boosta Grande>Carvin XV212 combo tube amp clean
channel

Prices:

WD-7 = $69.00 (used)
Zoom G2 = $119.00 (new)
Bad Monkey = $29.00 (used)
Boosta Grande = $40.00 (used)

I must tell you that modulation FX are way down at the bottom of my
importance scale so the Zoom G2 does a fine job for me but I've heard
many pedals that blow it away if you "need" a good modulation effect.
The WD-7 IMO is the best wah I've ever used because of it's range of
sounds you are able to get with all the different adjustment knobs,
it's sweep range, and doesn't affect my tone at all. The Bad Monkey as
you know is worth triple it's price for the tones alone. The Boosta
Grande is an up to +20db clean boost that isn't as transparent as BBE
advertises( I hear more upper mids) but if used in moderation (I set
it to 9 O'clock) it increases sustain and gives a volume boost.

Again I'm very curious to hear why you are replacing the RP500. I'm
getting ready to replace all my FX and possibly my amp with one.

Hope this helped. Merry Christmas!


dvaoa

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Dec 24, 2009, 9:11:00 AM12/24/09
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On Dec 23, 2:58 pm, JB <n...@server.null> wrote:

Dano Cool Cat Drive ($25)...supposed to be a clone of the OCD ($140).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxIp9CYnp8

I love mine, been using it a LOT. Metal jacks, built like a tank.
Only downside is the tone control, anything past 9:00 0'clock gets
really shrill. As far as best bang for the buck, this is my best
catch.

Apparently, there is a new version, and I guess the V1 isn't available
anymore:

http://tinyurl.com/CCD1vs2

The new one's $50 (of course), and to me it sounds a little more well
rounded and lesas in-your-face/trashy than the V1. I'd almost be
inclined to use the V1 with humbuckers and the V2 with SC's.

-d

Geetar Dave

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Dec 24, 2009, 5:39:02 PM12/24/09
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On Dec 23, 4:18 pm, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Let me know if you want to buy another PedalTrain... I'm done with
> mine... :)
>

Hey...
Which one is it? I think I need one of the larger ones; something in
the 28"x16" ballpark.

-dave-----:::
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Geetar Dave

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Dec 24, 2009, 5:41:47 PM12/24/09
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Whatever it is that grabs your attention; try to find it used on Ebay
or Craigslist. Try it out for a while, and if it doesn't work out, you
can pretty much sell it for what you paid for it.

I've probably gone through 50 pedals this way in the last 10 years.

-dave-----:::
www.myspace.com/geetardave

TheChris

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:12:43 PM12/24/09
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Geetar Dave <e...@one.net> wrote in news:1b4cb561-25c9-4634-9f7b-
e4efa1...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

It's this one - with the hard suitcase case... This isn't me BTW - this is
some picture from a NAMM show..

http://www.steelbender.com/pictures/summernamm2001/pedaltrain8.JPG

Rufus

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:18:00 PM12/24/09
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I think that's the smallest one...that looks even smaller than the
smaller of the two that I have...

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- Rufus

mercutio

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:31:28 PM12/24/09
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:37:59 -0600, "Master Betty" <em...@address.com>
wrote:

If it is that lesile sound you like try the Hughes and Kettner
Rotosphere. Kinda pricey but a great sounding pedal. It is the pedal
that was used to get the guitar sound on the Free song Wishing Well
off the Heartbreaker album

http://hughes-and-kettner.com/products.php?mode=prod&id=14

Jim

Rufus

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:46:39 PM12/24/09
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...crap...drool...I WANT one...crap...

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- Rufus

Nil

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Dec 24, 2009, 6:50:41 PM12/24/09
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On 24 Dec 2009, mercutio <jim0...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.guitar:

> If it is that lesile sound you like try the Hughes and Kettner
> Rotosphere. Kinda pricey but a great sounding pedal. It is the
> pedal that was used to get the guitar sound on the Free song
> Wishing Well off the Heartbreaker album
>
> http://hughes-and-kettner.com/products.php?mode=prod&id=14

Really?? That song is from the early '70s. I believe H&K have only been
around since the '80s. I always assumed the Wishing Well sound was a
real Leslie.

Master Betty

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"Rufus" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
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..
Not crap...GAS.

I got my rotary speaker itch scratched with the tremolo unit on my
Pathfinder 15r........ for now.

mercutio

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Dec 24, 2009, 7:21:14 PM12/24/09
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On 24 Dec 2009 23:50:41 GMT, Nil <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>
wrote:

I downloaded a lesson from Lick Library and that's what I thought the
guy said ( altho I may have misunderstood) It is what he used to get
the sound and and it was perfect.

Jim

Tony Done

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<g> Great minds.....


Merry Xmas, mid-morning here and a bit hectic around the house.


Tony D

TheChris

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Dec 26, 2009, 9:10:28 AM12/26/09
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Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote in
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My dislike of it is that I find the second row to be kind of
unusable...I never really got into the groove of using it...

Wow - I wonder how big the other ones are!

Geetar Dave

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Dec 26, 2009, 12:09:38 PM12/26/09
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On Dec 24, 6:12 pm, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's this one - with the hard suitcase case... This isn't me BTW - this is
> some picture from a NAMM show..
>
> http://www.steelbender.com/pictures/summernamm2001/pedaltrain8.JPG


Ahhh, too small.

Thanks, though.

-dave-----:::
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Rufus

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Dec 26, 2009, 12:47:53 PM12/26/09
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I found I had to just stare at it and arrange and re-arrange my pedals
on it before I actually got out the Velcro. That did wonders as far as
me being satisfied with mine went...some of my friends have them and
just dove in on day one are still re-arranging and swapping stuff
around, like you say.

My big one is a little less than three times that size, I think...it's
good that the hard case has rollers...

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- Rufus

Rufus

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TheChris

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:02:48 PM12/26/09
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Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote in
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Nah... I don't rearrange... My pedal order is pretty set in stone...
But, in getting to the second row, I found myself hitting the pedals in
the front row...

I consider it too heavy (the little one I have).. I can't imagine
carting around something bigger :)

Rufus

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:37:01 PM12/26/09
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Yeah...I could see that. That's why I had to think some myself. But
now you've got me thinking again...

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- Rufus

TheChris

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Dec 27, 2009, 12:02:03 PM12/27/09
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Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote in
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IMO, the best design for a pedalboard would be almost boomerang shaped -
and I've seen them that shape... A nice semi-circle.

To me, effects are a very serial thing.. I don't have any loops or
things like that - so order seldom changes... But, I like to add
pedals...

Rufus

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Dec 27, 2009, 3:09:40 PM12/27/09
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TheChris wrote:
> Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote in
> news:T6udnakMTq7AS6vW...@mchsi.com:
>
>> TheChris wrote:
>>> Rufus<n...@home.com> wrote in
>>> news:0rOdnYuSXoHU0avW...@mchsi.com:
>>>
>>>> TheChris wrote:
>>>>> Rufus<n...@home.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:y8OdnUS7HrM1a67W...@mchsi.com:
>>>>>
>>> Nah... I don't rearrange... My pedal order is pretty set in stone...
>>> But, in getting to the second row, I found myself hitting the pedals
> in
>>> the front row...
>>>
>>> I consider it too heavy (the little one I have).. I can't imagine
>>> carting around something bigger :)
>> Yeah...I could see that. That's why I had to think some myself. But
>> now you've got me thinking again...
>>
>
> IMO, the best design for a pedalboard would be almost boomerang shaped -
> and I've seen them that shape... A nice semi-circle.
>
> To me, effects are a very serial thing.. I don't have any loops or
> things like that - so order seldom changes... But, I like to add
> pedals...

Very good point - about things being equidistant so you can reach them
all in the same manner.

And part (if not most) of my consideration in setting up my Pedaltrain
was which pedals I was going to stomp on/off the most, and which were
just going to stay on most of the time based on how and what I play. I
also based the order of my true bypass pedals in front or behind
non-true bypass ones on that thinking - which has minimized or totally
eliminated any tone-suckage or drastic changes in level with any one
effect stomped on or off unless that's what I want.

All that took me a bit more time and thought than I'd have initially
thunk, but it has worked out very well for me and my setup.

--
- Rufus

JB

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Dec 31, 2009, 12:27:23 PM12/31/09
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jtees4 wrote:

> Beat me to it...Bad Monkey for sure! WOW, I was also going to mention
> the Behringer Compressor...I have the same one...it is pretty good
> actually.

So that's two votes for the DC9?

At $30 I think I'll just go ahead and order one. <grin>

JB

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Rufus wrote:

> As far as a pedal board and a power set go, I'm totally and completely
> sold on the Pedaltrain/Pedal Snake combination -
>
> http://pedaltrain.com/home
>
> http://www.pedalsnake.com/

Neat. Wasn't aware of the Snake. I've been doing the same thing for
years now with electrical tape. ;-)


>
> Completely modular, so you can just buy/build to suit your need. And
> makes setup and tear down a complete breeze - you simply pull the Snake
> at the amp side, and roll it up into the box. Really quiet, really
> easy, really works.
>
> You can mount a power supply on a Pedaltrain, but I'm not a fan of
> having a power supply on my board (reduces potential for hum), so I use
> the 1-Spot from Visual Sound -
>
> http://www.visualsound.net/index.php/products/1spot

I've read mixed reviews of the 1-Spot. Seems there's a pretty
sizable number of folk out there who considers it really noisy. I
have to wonder if there isn't some less-than-ideal AC power
conditions that it's just not up to dealing with??

<snippage for brevity>

JB

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Jan 1, 2010, 10:45:27 AM1/1/10
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Tony Done wrote:

I guess I shouldn't have started a thread right before the
holidays... looks like I abandoned it.

Thanks, and apologies all around. :)

> > So with all that in mind, if you have any personal "my GOD this
> > thing is da bomb for 50 pesos" favorites I'd really be happy
> > hearing about them. I've been out of the loop for well over a
> > decade and to be candid, I'm overwhelmed by the sheer volume and
> > wide range of opinions out there in various "review" links. So here
> > I am trying to add to that confusion. ;)
> >
> > Thanks in advance one and all, and Happy Holidays!
> >
>
> I play folk and blues slide on electric, plus a bit of conventional electric
> blues, and reckon I need three pedals, compressor, OD and delay/reverb.

I can get along with OD, delay, and chorus. Using the very
satisfactory Fender built in reverb of course. In fact I've played
gigs with nothing but an OD and whatever I could tweak out of my
amp.

But where's the fun in that? ;)



> I have a Bad Monkey, great 808-type sound with the advantage of useful tone
> controls.

I was actually shocked by the Monkey. I'd read all sorts of good
things about it, tried one at a local shop, and bought it on the
spot. In my humble opinion it's a better pedal than a new 808
itself. Exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for here.

>
> The Behringer two knob compressor (metal box, not plastic like their
> horrible three-knob pedals) DC9 is IMO very good at any price. It is quiet

And at around $30 the price is as right as right gets. :)

An excellent lead. Something I hadn't even considered. Thanks.

> as compressors go and has a wide range of effect in the Dynacomp style. This
> means it does colour the sound a bit, making it more trebly, but not enough
> to be a major annoyance. If you leave it on all the time as I do, the extra
> treble can be EQed out elsewhere in the chain. As with all Behringer pedals,
> I would try before buying and get it somewhere where it can be easily
> returned if it stops working. No problem with mine so far.
>
> The BYOC 5-knob compressor is excellent if you have a soldering iron. The
> kits are good quality and the instructions easy to follow.

I thought about building. I'm a USAF trained electronics (radio)
tech and I built my first computer from a kit so I'm no stranger
to the soldering iron. But I doubt I'll have time to build
everything and it seems the pedals that would offer the best
savings (delays and chorus/phasers/etc) are the most complex
builds (read... take the longest).

JB

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Monster Zero wrote:

> I'm curious why you are getting away from the RP-500? I'm asking
> because I am about to buy one and would love an opinion good or bad
> from someone who has had it for awhile. I am the King of 'bang for the
> buck" so here's my current chain

It simply is a matter of personal preference. There's nothing
wrong with the RP500 save for the feeling that it does too much
for my needs (I seem to spend a lot of time tweaking) and I'd like
the ability to try swapping pedal order around a bit more than the
pre/post setting allows. Maybe even putting all the "boost" stuff
between the guitar and amp, and the "modulation" stuff in the FX
loop. I do have some patches I really love, and the RP may make it
onto my gigging rig if for no other reason than to have access to
things like envelope filters that I might find a use for once in a
great great while. At the very least it will come along for the
ride as a backup.

I guess it's just not "me" though. I'm looking to make some pretty
well defined (in my head anyway) noises that don't include amp
modeling and sci-fi stuff. I only really need about 5% of what the
RP500 can do, and I'd rather that be done by individual boxes.
Maybe it's an "eggs in one basket" thing. Maybe it's just GAS. Can't
really say. ;)

> guitar>Ibanez WD-7 Weeping Demon Wah>Zoom G2 MFX (used for modulation
> fx)>Bad Monkey>BBE Boosta Grande>Carvin XV212 combo tube amp clean
> channel
>
> Prices:
>
> WD-7 = $69.00 (used)
> Zoom G2 = $119.00 (new)
> Bad Monkey = $29.00 (used)
> Boosta Grande = $40.00 (used)
>
> I must tell you that modulation FX are way down at the bottom of my
> importance scale so the Zoom G2 does a fine job for me but I've heard
> many pedals that blow it away if you "need" a good modulation effect.

See now one of the most important components of "my sound" is a
chorus. Not a lot, just a barely perceptible shimmer. I'm obsessed
with that classic clean Fender position 2 and 4 quack with just a
touch of modulation. If I never had to hit the button on the
overdrive again I'd be ecstatic, but of course that's just not
going to happen without going solo. ;-)

Geetar Dave

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> http://www.pedaltrain.com/getdoc/7aafdddf-d9c5-4509-b4fd-f689ad7aa73d...)
>
> --
>       - Rufus

Yeah, I'm thinking about it. I think those might be too big though.
I'm also trying to find something used... unless I commission some
custom thing. i realize this sounds fickle and indecisive.

There was a time when I worked with a lady, who turned out to be a
friend/neighbor/relative of the Pedaltrain guy. All of a sudden this
receptionist type lady, who had recently learned that I was a
guitarist, started grilling me about my gear and pedalboard choice and
my reasons for using what I did. Kinda funny. Back then, I think the
Pedaltrain only came in one size and only had a soft case, and so I
politely explained that it was too small and not strongly-encased
enough.

-dave-----:::
www.myspace.com/geetardave

Rufus

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Depending on how many pedals you have to deal with, and how big some of
them are, the Pedaltrain 2 is likely just the right size -

http://www.pedaltrain.com/Products/Pedaltrain_2

My "smaller" one is a Pedaltrain 2. I have six pedals on that one, and
probably have a enough room left to mount 2 Boss-sized or one more large
one on it with a bit of arranging.

I was going to get a soft case at first, but the guy that I recommended
this setup to got his first with a hard case and talked me into hard
cases - glad he did.

--
- Rufus

Geetar Dave

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I've checked them out. The Pedaltrain 2 is a little small, and the
Pedaltrain Pro is a little large.

However, given the needs of my current band, I might not require a
couple of the pedals I have been using. Also, a friend of mine mounted
his Boss TU-12 tuner (which I also use) UNDER his Pedaltrain. That
cleared up some significant space. Hmmm....Maybe I should just borrow
a Pedaltrain 2 for a day and see if it suits me.

-dave-----:::
www.myspace.com/geetardave

Rufus

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Yeah, always nice if you can try before you buy. Or just lay out a tape
outline on the floor and see how what you have might fit in that size space.

--
- Rufus

boardjunkie

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Jan 2, 2010, 9:13:30 PM1/2/10
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On Dec 23 2009, 9:16 pm, BlueBuyYoo <bluebuy...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > So with all that in mind, if you have any personal "my GOD this
> > thing is da bomb for 50 pesos" favorites I'd really be happy
> > hearing about them. I've been out of the loop for well over a
> > decade and to be candid, I'm overwhelmed by the sheer volume and
> > wide range of opinions out there in various "review" links. So here
> > I am trying to add to that confusion. ;)
>
> > Thanks in advance one and all, and Happy Holidays!
>
> Check out the Danelectro Cool Cat line.  Inexpensive, solid build and
> nice sounds.  I have the drive and vibe and they sound great.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I just bought a cool cat vibe off ebay for 50$ new in pkg. I have one
of teh older "chicken salad" vibe things that I modded and
rehoused....sounded great 'til it developed a hum I can't get rid of.
Maybe I'll take the board into the shop I've been doing some work for
and put it in the reflow oven. Nothing to lose....

boardjunkie

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On Dec 23 2009, 9:37 pm, "Master Betty" <em...@address.com> wrote:
> "BlueBuyYoo" <bluebuy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hguiua$ljg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > sounds.  I have the drive and vibe and they sound great.
>
> Vibes are cool......I used to be addicted to chorus but vibrato is strangely
> similar. You still hear different harmonics.
>
> No need to go beyond a wah, fuzz, modulator (pedals). Truly rotating
> speakers would be ideal. The first time I heard a live Leslie I fell in
> love. Built-in amp clean gain, reverb, and vibrato's are the way to go.
> AASN:  Voodoo lab (Dunlop clone) Micro Vibe is a pretty meek pedal. I
> haven't tried a lot of vibe pedals. Love Pickle is supposed to be nice but
> only one knob. Mini Deja 2 is too expensive. :( "One of these days" I'm
> going to get a Leslie cab.
>
> Jim- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere is a nice Leslie simulator. Warren
Haynes uses one all over the Gov't Mule albums. Not cheap tho......

Geetar Dave

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On Jan 1, 1:01 pm, JB <n...@server.null> wrote:

> I've read mixed reviews of the 1-Spot. Seems there's a pretty
> sizable number of folk out there who considers it really noisy. I
> have to wonder if there isn't some less-than-ideal AC power
> conditions that it's just not up to dealing with??


I've got a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power II that i love, but my interim
pedalboard is too small to include it. So until I upgrade, I am using
a 1-Spot with two daisy-chains linked together. No noise. No hum.

Just one guy's experience.

-dave-----:::
www.myspace.com/geetardave

Todd

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The power supply will start pumping out AC ripple as the load current
exceeds what's specified by the manufacturer. It always helps to look
closer and find out what's causing the problem.

- Todd


On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:15:49 -0800 (PST), Geetar Dave <e...@one.net>
wrote:

TheChris

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Geetar Dave <e...@one.net> wrote in news:3d8d1584-22bb-4b64-9579-
c48631...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Jan 1, 6:46�pm, Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote:
>> Geetar Dave wrote:
>> > On Dec 26 2009, 12:53 pm, Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote:
>> >> Geetar Dave wrote:
>> >>> On Dec 24, 6:12 pm, TheChris <cab...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> It's this one - with the hard suitcase case... This isn't me BTW

- t
> his is

Which is the PedalTrain 2? The one I have?

If it wasn't so bulky and heavy, I'd ship it to you to check out...

That thing is heavy.... when it's empty! :)

--
Christopher Bell
http://www.myspace.com/bellboudreaux

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Rufus

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I've got a friend that had nothing but problems with a Voodoo Labs Pedal
Power installed on a Pedal Pad...did nothing but hum. Replaced that
with a 1-Spot and he's had nothing but goodness since.

I use 1-Spots on two different Pedaltrains - one with 11 pedals on it;
and 3 of those with inverted polarity - and a single 9V 1-Spot powers
everything but ym single 12V pedal silently and flawlessly on both of them.

MMV - unfortunately, the only thing you can do is set stuff up and see
what happens for you.

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- Rufus

Geetar Dave

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On Jan 4, 10:08 pm, Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote:

> MMV - unfortunately, the only thing you can do is set stuff up and see
> what happens for you.


Agreed.

I've heard complaints about 1-spots, but I've never had a problem with
mine OR with my my VLPPII.

-dave-----:::
www.myspace.com/geetardave

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