30 years of suffering are over
Lu R
Gallins Annandale yesterday.
After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that
sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all day
and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge amp..it
just doesnt get better than this folks.
I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!!
Cheers :)
Patrick Keenan
"Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty
reasonable prices.
Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique production,
can be great, with consistent quality.
But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup. If your old guitar had
never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it could
deliver.
A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a man
came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild. He'd tried a Guild, and
the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the Guild was just so
much easier to play. In the end, my friend convinced him to have the
Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which completely repaired the
complaint.
Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.
Rufus
...and then after that, sit down and think about whether the SG neck is
just too narrow for your hand, and if the Les Paul's neck is just plain
a better fit, width-wise.
--
- Rufus
Lu R
"Rufus" <n...@home.com> wrote in message
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have big fingers and I still have problems fitting them in up there lol..the
LP is made just right..
Lu R
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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Nice story there..I did take the Sg to a guitar shop and they said because
Id changed the tail and bridge to a one- piece unit that a luthier is needed
now to get it back in original shape..
Mr. Green
> "Patrick Keenan" <t...@dev.null> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sounds like you took it to the wrong place. I'd try somewhere else ;-)
As long as the replacement unit is decent quality, it shouldn't stop
them setting up the action, adjusting the truss rod, cutting the nut,
dressing the frets etc. Sounds like they just weren't that interested
or my be your SG has some other issues.
Green
Mr. Green
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ah just seen your previous thread. Your SG does have a few issues :-)
The scallopped neck is the big thing as far as feel and set up. That
would need a luthier. Lawrence does a fancy little tone control which
may be worth adding to sort out the pickups. It's surpising how much
difference you can make to the tone with just a few caps and
resistors.
Green
Green
JNugent
What sort of SG was it?
The real thing?
Lu R
"JNugent" <J...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
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Yep Gibson SG.
Sylvain Robitaille
> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have
> that sound that says me. ...
Forgive me for interjecting here, but in an earlier post, the day before,
you described how you yourself replaced the nut, bridge/tailpiece, and
pickups in that SG. Do you suppose the nut and one-piece bridge/tailpiece
might have contributed to the high action, or that the repositioning
of the bridge/tailpiece (plus the unrepaired damage at the neck joint)
might have something to do with its lack of tuning stability, or even that
the replacement pickups and brass nut might have caused the poor sound?
In the interest of full-disclosure, I don't even like SGs, so I don't
particularly want to defend one. In particular, I don't like the way
they feel to my hands, and I don't like the way they look, except perhaps
in the hands of some very specific favourite guitar players.
However, I look at the guitar I've owned the longest (upwards of 27
years now), and all the things I did to that guitar, and I *know*
that any (and all) flaws that it has are my own doing. In fact, some
(10? 8? around that) years ago, I undid a lot of the changes I'd made,
to get that guitar back as close to its original design as I could, and
cleaned up the changes that could not be undone (proper routing under a
Floyd Rose bridge that had replaced the original vibrato bridge), and
quite frankly, I think that guitar finally is the guitar I'd always
wanted it to be, (though I've pretty much outgrown the Floyd Rose,
so that guitar isn't played much any more).
It spent some years with an unbelievably high action, though, and some
others with the neck shimmed so much that the upper frets were basically
unplayable (this, in an attempt to get the action down to something
reasonable). It also spent some time sounding mediocre at the best
of times (as various bridge pickups were tried in it, with a home-made
built-in pre-amp/buffer/booster), but I never, at any time looked at it
and thought the guitar itself was flawed. In fact it isn't. It just
took me longer than it should have to realize all I'd done wrong on it,
and to redo those things right.
--
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Sylvain Robitaille s...@encs.concordia.ca
Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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ed s
Do yourself a favor and - add on of these, and get a pro setup done -
worth every penny. I'm blown away how much more sustain and sweetness
is possible.
http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm
ed s.
Sylvain Robitaille
> http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm
Hrmmm.... pitch variation measurements were taken at "C 440Hz" ...
I obviously won't claim that their results aren't correct (I have no
way to check that), but certainly the documentation of how they achieved
those results is questionable ... Either that, or just tuning down a
minor third improves tuning stability? ;-)
RichL
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:
>
>> http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm
>
> Hrmmm.... pitch variation measurements were taken at "C 440Hz" ...
>
> I obviously won't claim that their results aren't correct (I have no
> way to check that), but certainly the documentation of how they
> achieved those results is questionable ... Either that, or just
> tuning down a minor third improves tuning stability? ;-)
I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.
Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.
ed s
Good catch - I didn't notice that. But the results are True. I used a
stobostomp before and after ( on my new Les Paul Deluxe). Sure a heck,
damn near perfect now, and it was way sharp on the first few before.
Its just carzy how much better it sounds. And the sustain I mention is
cords not single notes ( not due to the material or anything -
although I suppose it plays in a bit ), is mostly due to all string
having ~ perfect harmonics in the cords. Ed S.
Stephen Cowell
"ed s" <esha...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Good catch - I didn't notice that. But the results are True. I used a
> stobostomp before and after ( on my new Les Paul Deluxe). Sure a heck,
> damn near perfect now, and it was way sharp on the first few before.
> Its just carzy how much better it sounds. And the sustain I mention is
> cords not single notes ( not due to the material or anything -
> although I suppose it plays in a bit ), is mostly due to all string
> having ~ perfect harmonics in the cords. Ed S.
Just don't tune an open G... tune the A at the second fret.
__
Steve
.
ed s
wrote:
> "ed s" <esham...@yahoo.com> wrote
Then an open A7 will sound like crapola ( Em , C, etc etc) - and G
isn't the only problem - e
Lu R
"Sylvain Robitaille" <s...@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote in message
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I will take blame for hacking my SG many years ago and choosing the wrong
pickups and hardware for it. I did it so well... lol that it would cost me
$800 to rectify the changes I made totally..for that I got a new LP Epi that
sounds fantastic..but one day I will restore my SG to its former glory.
Sylvain Robitaille
> I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.
Of course they did, but to make such a blatant error in advertising sure
doesn't leave the (at least "this") reader with confidence in the vendor.
> Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.
Right, and quite frankly, it makes for bad PR to let PR people speak for
tech people.
The product may be everything the advertising claims it is, of course,
but with the blatant error stating they took measurements at "C 440Hz",
one needs to question what other details did they get wrong or gloss
over in the ad?
RichL
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>
>> I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.
>
> Of course they did, but to make such a blatant error in advertising
> sure doesn't leave the (at least "this") reader with confidence in
> the vendor.
>
>> Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.
>
> Right, and quite frankly, it makes for bad PR to let PR people speak
> for tech people.
>
> The product may be everything the advertising claims it is, of course,
> but with the blatant error stating they took measurements at "C
> 440Hz", one needs to question what other details did they get wrong
> or gloss over in the ad?
That's true. I agree with everything you say, however I guess I'm just
inured to it all and have been since Harvard MBAs started running
technology-based companies.
PR people rule the roost now. Technical folks are considered simply as
necessary evils.
Les Cargill
Teenage angst has paid off well
Now Im bored and old
Self-appointed judges judge
More than they have sold
If she floats than she is not
A witch like we had thought
A down payment on another
One at salems lot
Serve the servants - oh no
That legendary divorce is such a bore
--
Les Cargukkk
Sylvain Robitaille
> PR people rule the roost now. Technical folks are considered simply
> as necessary evils.
One possible response is simply to not purchase product from technical
companies that have blatantly incorrect claims in their advertising. In
my experience, PR people are usually in tight with bean counters. When
the bean counters get bored of not having any beans to count, and the PR
folks don't have any more technical people to "downsize", they might
start to examine what really happened to their incoming flow of beans.
It's a thought, at least ...
ed s
wrote:
The only problem with your logic is "Earvana" is the shit! It really
does work wonders on you guitar. I know, I put it on my Les Paul and I
have Zero connection with these people. I'm just spreading the word to
my friend guitar players, as it has pleased me so much and solved a
problem that has driven me crazy since I started playing guitar
So your not gonna do it because there is a typo ? Ed S.
Sylvain Robitaille
> ... So your not gonna do it because there is a typo ? ...
In the interest of full disclosure, I wasn't going to do it anyway. ...
The blatant unchecked error in their advertising simply brings the
credibility of their claims into question, in my mind, and I was
pointing that out.
ed s
wrote:
Tune to pitch and set intonation and fret the first few notes ( and
check a tuner ) - In full disclosure its off. Maybe ok for you not me
( drove my ears nuts). : ' ) ed s.
Sylvain Robitaille
> Tune to pitch and set intonation and fret the first few notes ( and
> check a tuner ) - In full disclosure its off.
That's all understood, but according to the Earvana web site, I need to
calibrate my tuner to "C 440Hz" in order to repeat their results.
*That's* what I'm on about. What other claims do they make that are
less than accurate?
> Maybe ok for you not me ( drove my ears nuts). : ' ) ed s.
Likewise, perhaps the inaccurate claims are ok for you, but for me they
affect the overall credibility of the advertiser.
Now, all of that said, I honestly *should* conduct the experiment and
see for myself how far off my guitars can be with a standard nut,
despite correct 12th fret intonation. As I stated in an earlier
message, I'm not in any position to suggest that their compensated nut
does not improve overall intonation.
DaveBenj
I'm bored now.
Two of you having a conversation cross posted to FOUR newsgroups.
I don't care who either of you are and don't want to hear anything you have
to say.
<plonk>
<plonk>
RichL
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:42:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>
>> PR people rule the roost now. Technical folks are considered simply
>> as necessary evils.
>
> One possible response is simply to not purchase product from technical
> companies that have blatantly incorrect claims in their advertising.
> In my experience, PR people are usually in tight with bean counters.
> When the bean counters get bored of not having any beans to count,
> and the PR folks don't have any more technical people to "downsize",
> they might start to examine what really happened to their incoming
> flow of beans.
>
> It's a thought, at least ...
Well, my problem is employment with companies in which PR folks rule.
Not much I can do about that, especially with jobs being so hard to
find.
Les Cargill
PR is just a technology. It is a technology that works.
http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Persuaders-Vance-Packard/dp/0671531492
--
Les Cargill
boardjunkie
wrote:
> Ah just seen your previous thread. Your SG does have a few issues :-)
> The scallopped neck is the big thing as far as feel and set up. That
> would need a luthier. Lawrence does a fancy little tone control which
> may be worth adding to sort out the pickups. It's surpising how much
> difference you can make to the tone with just a few caps and
> resistors.
>
> Green
>
Horseshit.......scalloped fretboards have fuck all to do with
different setup requirements. Same rules apply.