Does the treble clef mean...
Costanza
staff and indicate that the G above the top line equals the first string at
the third fret on a traditionally tuned guitar (which would also mean that
the G on the line that the clef encircles equals the open third string)?
Thanks.
ythread
"Costanza" <not_valid@a.b> wrote in message
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Lumpy
It's kind of a trick answer.
Leave guitar out of the picture for a minute.
The treble clef circles the 2nd line of the staff.
That 2nd line is G4 or G above middle C.
In guitar notation, we use treble cleff (normally).
That G4 on the 2nd line is what we play on the
open 3rd string, as you suggest above.
BUT
The guitar is a transposing instrument.
When we play that G on the 2nd line, we are
actually SOUNDING the G that is an octave LOWER (G3).
If a guitar and a piano played the same 2nd line G,
the guitar would be an octave LOWER than the piano.
Sometimes, on the tail hook of the treble clef you'll
see the little italic "8va" or "8vb". The loose English
translation of those symbols is "Octave ABOVE" and
"Octave BELOW". To be most correct, guitar notation would
be written with an "8vb" at the bottom of it's treble clef,
meaning "Play an octave lower than notated". But we typically
don't see that in guitar notation. Instead we simply see the
naked treble clef. It's assumed that the tones we produce
are automatically an octave lower than written.
So, in answer to your question, the treble clef DOES
nail down WHICH G it circles. In terms of guitar, the
simple answer is that the 2nd line G is the open 3rd string.
Human voices and some other instruments, typically transpose
up or down an octave, like guitars do. It's simply a matter of
convenience to try and reduce the number of ledger lines above
or below the main staff.
Lumpy
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"Costanza" <not_valid@a.b> wrote in message
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No. The vocal tenor cleff does. If the music is specifically written for
guitar it is assumed that you know what to do. The same applies to other
instruments.
Bob
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Simple,eh?..:)Is it just me or is the whole game fraught with this
stuff??....
Lumpy
> Simple,eh?..:)Is it just me or is the
> whole game fraught with this stuff??....
It's a language. Compare it to English.
"How do you pronounce the letter E?"
Compared to that, the treble clef is cake.
David L. Martel
All of the clefs cover parts of the musical range. The G clef might be
thought of as the "soprano" clef, it covers the higher notes.
As others have pointed out guitar music is written in the treble clef but
the actual notes that you play on the guitar are an octave lower. No need to
worry about this till you start playing with other musicians.
Dave M.
Lumpy
> ... guitar music is written in the treble
> clef but the actual notes that you play on the guitar are an octave
> lower. No need to worry about this till you start playing with other
> musicians.
And rarely even then.
ythread
> David L. Martel wrote:
>> ... guitar music is written in the treble
>> clef but the actual notes that you play on the guitar are an octave
>> lower.
>
I'll admit I never knew that and I went to my piano and checked it and the G
above middle C on the piano sounds very close to the open G string. I must
be tone deaf. The G below sounds lower to me.
Nil
alt.guitar.beginner:
> I'll admit I never knew that and I went to my piano and checked it
> and the G above middle C on the piano sounds very close to the
> open G string. I must be tone deaf. The G below sounds lower to
> me.
It's often hard to distinguish between the same note in different
octaves when comparing different instruments. Sometimes the higher
overtones can tend to obscure the fundamental, which is what the octave
is named after. Plus, the ear (at least mine) tends to regard most
octaves except maybe the most extreme high and low ones as being
interchangeable for most purposes. It's when you start arranging for
various instruments when it becomes most important.
ythread
"Nil" <rednoi...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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It must be the piano's overtones. They are fuller than any other instrument
and must p/u the higher tones. But the higher G does sound closer to me.
Much closer. :-) ? Oh well. Like I said I'm tone deaf!
Paul P
> It's often hard to distinguish between the same note in different
> octaves when comparing different instruments.
My daughter's voice and range is almost exactly an octave above mine
and we both have about a two octave range.
When she sings a note in her low octave it sounds lower than when
I sing the same note in my high octave, even though they're the
same note.
When we learned Stairway to Heaven together I figured she could
do the singing and it would sound just like Plant but she sounded
too low even if she was singing the right notes (I also sounded
too low but then I had to sing an octave lower). I guess I should
have tried a capo.
Paul P
Nil
> When we learned Stairway to Heaven together I figured she could
> do the singing and it would sound just like Plant but she sounded
> too low even if she was singing the right notes (I also sounded
> too low but then I had to sing an octave lower). I guess I should
> have tried a capo.
Around the throat?
Lumpy
> I'll admit I never knew that and I went to my piano and checked it
> and the G above middle C on the piano sounds very close to the open G
> string. I must be tone deaf. The G below sounds lower to me.
Take it up (or down) another octave or two and you should
be able to hear the difference more easily.
ythread
and the lesson on overtones and pianos. It is probably is more obvious with
other instruments.
ythread
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Charmed Snark
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> It must be the piano's overtones. They are fuller than any other
> instrument and must p/u the higher tones. But the higher G does sound
> closer to me. Much closer. :-) ? Oh well. Like I said I'm tone deaf!
Looking inside your piano will reveal that pianos use
3 strings for each note. They are not tuned exactly
the same (even if they tried to).
Snark.
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