tip for all beginners

[lori...@my-deja.com]

Hi to all you beginners who ever you may be that are reading this post.
I would like to share some things that might help you learn a little
faster and get more out of music. This is something I learned my self.
The subject is getting in touch with the music inside of you. When it
is all said and done guitar playing in whatever style you choose to
play has to be connected to who you are as a guitar player. For example
you can get a tab of a song you like and play it over and over untill
you get it right. However, you can be missing something that is so
important, the feeling or flow of the song as a whole. What I want to
share with you is what happened to me and even my teacher as well as
many musicians as a whole. You can work so hard on learning where to
put your fingers, how to pick and on and on but you feel empty inside
when you play.

Music or the songs you worked on no longer move you. It can be so
frustrating. A beginner will go through this at times because they get
so caught up in just making a sound on the guitar. What you must always
remember is, the guitar is not the true instrument you are. The guitar
is just your means to express your inner feelings as a guitar player.
Here is what I was taught to do and it has worked. First learn to sing
whatever you play. Do not worry if you do not have a great voice. That
is not the point. The reason is, when we can sing a melody we are
singing it out because we our connected to it from the inside of our
being. For example sing a simple little nursery rime say Marry had a
Little Lamb. If you try this you will discover it is no problem. Why?
The reason is it is a part of you because you heard it over and over.

That is what you have to do with everything you learn make it apart of
you. So as you learn a lick or a melody from a tab or someone learn to
sing it. Make it apart of you. Then practice it on the guitar and sing
it as you play it. What will happen is you will be better at keeping
the song you are playing flowing. The music you play will then bounce
back from the air back into your spirit and you will feel it inside.

Another thing you will learn from doing this is you will remember the
song better then if you just read a tab or learned a lick. I can not
tell you how important what I have tried to tell you is. Never forget
you are the instrument when it is all said and done. The guitar is just
a way to let others hear what you feel. This will help you put that
something special into the songs you learn. You will also learn to love
music even more. The last thing I want you to know is your singing
will get better lol. No seriously you will see much faster results if
you learn this at such a beginning level.

If no one offers advice on how to practice the things I mentioned in
this post I will share some things to do. LoriJeanm

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[Søren Pedersen]

Hey
Thanks, I'll try that.
I am not the worlds greatest singer to put it mildly, so I always kept the
words running inside my head and didn't sing them out loud.

Yours
Soeren

[Lon Smith]

She doesn't mean sing the words. She means sing the notes. Try to
anticipate what a note will sound like before you play it also. Try singing
a simple lick and then play it on your guitar.
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[lori...@my-deja.com]

Yes that is waht I mean thank you Lon. Maybe you could share some ideas
on how to help beginners learn to do that. I will add some things to
and maybe more will join in. Lorijeanm

[lori...@my-deja.com]

Since no one is adding to this post I will keep giving you ideas. I
hope beginners are reading this and getting something out of it. If you
start singing the things you play you will have to break them down very
slowly to sing them. I once wanted to learn the solo to Eric Johnsons
cliffs of Dover. I did not have the C D so I found It on this guys
site. It was just the first 16 measures. So I listen to it a few times
then I sang it. I sang it just as if it was a part of me. Then I picked
up the guitar and matched what I sang with my voice to the guitar. It
was that easy.

The thing about singing something is you loose all fear that you can
not play it. The reason is because when we sing something freely we can
play it freely. Being able to sing something and playing it are one.
The ability to sing what you play should be practiced as much as your
playing the guitar is. Remember when I said you are the instrument.
That is the most important thing of all. Learn to tune your instrument
(you). Work on getting in touch with you as a guitarist.

The more you sing the scales and chords you play the more you really
know them. One of the bigest problems I faced in first moving into this
are is I knew a few things on the guitar mentally but I did not know
them as far as sound goes. For example when I heard something on a
recording I could not tell you what it was. Now when I hear something
on a recording I have a good idea of what I am hearing.

By learning to sing everything I can play it helps me learn the sound
of them. When you sing the different things you play you are using a
part of your brain, much like a hard drive works. You can sing it
because it is a part of you data base. So start slow and begin to fill
your data base with the different scales and chords you know. Sing with
your guitar then sing them by your self. After a while yu will be
singing things without your guitar. That is when you realy know a scale
or chord. Then when you hear it on a C D or whatever you will be able
to reconize it. Lorijeanm

[Brad]

Lorijean,

I am among the singing impaired. Will humming the notes accomplish the
same thing you are talking about? Also even with humming there is no
way I can reach some of the higher notes, at least I cant do it and
keep the cat quiet at the same time.

Brad

Shoot for the moon, for if you miss, you will be
among the stars.......

[Lon Smith]

The singing is not for others to hear. You need to be able to match the
pitch of your guitar with your voice. I am a very bad singer, and I
sometimes have a hard time matching my voice to the guitar, but I can do it.
You can to if you can hum the right notes. By singing I mean singing Ah or
oh or something similar.
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[lori...@my-deja.com]

Well I said I would keep ading to this post so I will stay true to my
word. Learning to listen to music correctly is so important in training
the ear. Here is something that will help you in learning to recognize
different scales. If you sing the major scale Do Re Me Fa So La Ti Do
you will notice that the Me and Fa and Ti and Do are half steps. Now if
we start on Do and sing this scale Do RE Me So La Do you will notice we
have removed the half steps. This scale is called the pentatonic scale.
Learn to listen for the presence of half steps or the absence of half
steps as a guide to tell you what type of scale you are hearing.

Soon you will know right away if you are hearing a pentatonic scale or
a modal scale. I suggest you record the two types of scales then listen
to the difference. Then try to sing the two scales without your
instrument. What this will do for you is help you to have a starting
point when you go to figure out a solo or lick. Say for example if I
hear a solo and I do not hear any half steps in it I then have good
Idea of what I am going to be trying to find on the guitar. If I learn
to sing scales with half steps and without half steps I can then sing
phrases I hear on a recording and keep them in my head as I practice
them on the guitar

After you learn to sing the different scales and can sing parts of the
solos you are working on do this. Play a rhythm part with your guitar
then sing the solos you work on over the chord changes. This helps you
to keep it flowing. It also helps train you to hear in your head two
different tracks. It is the first step to learn to multi track in your
head. Lorijeanm

[Lon Smith]

Lori, I am going to pick this apart a little. Yes I am being nitpicky, but
if you want to instruct the newbies here you should be more careful to be
accurate.

<lori...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8v3vjm$5k$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Well I said I would keep ading to this post so I will stay true to my
> word. Learning to listen to music correctly is so important in training
> the ear. Here is something that will help you in learning to recognize
> different scales. If you sing the major scale Do Re Me Fa So La Ti Do
> you will notice that the Me and Fa and Ti and Do are half steps.

From me to fa and from ti to do are half steps.

Now if
> we start on Do and sing this scale Do RE Me So La Do you will notice we
> have removed the half steps. This scale is called the pentatonic scale.

Thsi is "a" pentatonic scale. There really is no "the" pentatonic scale,
but the one that come closest is the Pentatonic minor scale which is not as
dexcribed here!

> Learn to listen for the presence of half steps or the absence of half
> steps as a guide to tell you what type of scale you are hearing.

For purposes of this explanation. What about a hexatonic scale, or a
harmonic scale? What about a melodic minor or god forbid a diminished,
chromatic or whole note scale. I know that the beginners here are not far
enough along to discuss these issues, but your statement implies they do not
exist.

>
> Soon you will know right away if you are hearing a pentatonic scale or
> a modal scale. I suggest you record the two types of scales then listen
> to the difference. Then try to sing the two scales without your
> instrument. What this will do for you is help you to have a starting
> point when you go to figure out a solo or lick. Say for example if I
> hear a solo and I do not hear any half steps in it I then have good
> Idea of what I am going to be trying to find on the guitar. If I learn
> to sing scales with half steps and without half steps I can then sing
> phrases I hear on a recording and keep them in my head as I practice
> them on the guitar
>
> After you learn to sing the different scales and can sing parts of the
> solos you are working on do this. Play a rhythm part with your guitar
> then sing the solos you work on over the chord changes. This helps you
> to keep it flowing. It also helps train you to hear in your head two
> different tracks. It is the first step to learn to multi track in your
> head. Lorijeanm

This is a great suggestion

[lori...@my-deja.com]

Lon there is a major pentatonic scale found on the Do, Fa, and So of
any major key. However, the major on the Do is also the minor on the
La. The Major on the Fa is the minor on the Re. The major on the So is
the minor on the Me. This is also why the function of the one chord or
Do chord is the same as the La and so on. For example G major scale has
these notes. G A B C D E F# G. The G major pentatonic scale is G A B D
E. The E minor pentatonic scale is these notes E G A B D. The only
difference is the starting point.

What I was showing the beginners is how to first tell the difference
between the modal scales and the pentatonic scales. You are right about
melodic minor, Harmonic minor, not to mention Hungarian minor and all
exotic minor scales to boot. Then there are a more pentatonic scales
too. The hexatonic scale is a 6 note scale. These are scales like the
blues minor pentatonic.

The focus of what I was getting at is to give them a started point. I
am glad you are helping in this post. Plese feel free to add some
exercises you have used your self. I think it is great for those who
want to get better and learning to hear music. To be able to have this
knowledge. Lorijeanm

[Lon Smith]

<lori...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8v4s22$nnc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> Lon there is a major pentatonic scale found on the Do, Fa, and So of
> any major key. However, the major on the Do is also the minor on the
> La. The Major on the Fa is the minor on the Re. The major on the So is
> the minor on the Me. This is also why the function of the one chord or
> Do chord is the same as the La and so on. For example G major scale has
> these notes. G A B C D E F# G. The G major pentatonic scale is G A B D
> E. The E minor pentatonic scale is these notes E G A B D. The only
> difference is the starting point.

You state this like it is a lecture. Do you really think with the
discussions we have had that I don't know this. What I stated clearly
indicated that I am sure you know of everything I have mentioned, so please
don't lecture me like I am stupid. Everything you said above still says
nothing to the fact that the the pentatonic major scale is not "the" major
scale. Now to add to that, you throw in the implication that the major
pentatonic and the minor pentatonic three steps back are the same scale. I
know you know that this is not so, but it is one of the things that others
have had to struggle more than once to explain to the beginners here. My
point, be more accurate and possibley less forthcoming with too much
information. Perhaps you would like Alt.music.theory, probably not though,
because they will eat you alive. They did me by the way, so I have some
experience with this opinion.

>
> What I was showing the beginners is how to first tell the difference
> between the modal scales and the pentatonic scales. You are right about
> melodic minor, Harmonic minor, not to mention Hungarian minor and all
> exotic minor scales to boot. Then there are a more pentatonic scales
> too. The hexatonic scale is a 6 note scale. These are scales like the
> blues minor pentatonic.

See you want to use half of the knowledge. The Hungarian minor is a mode of
the Harmonic minor.

>
> The focus of what I was getting at is to give them a started point. I
> am glad you are helping in this post. Plese feel free to add some
> exercises you have used your self. I think it is great for those who
> want to get better and learning to hear music. To be able to have this
> knowledge. Lorijeanm

I am sorry , but I believe there are plenty of wes sites and such out there
that give lessons. I am here more to help beginners to sort through the
parts of this they do not understand. Generally Newbies don't come here for
lessons, just interpretations of lessons they have already viewed.

[lori...@my-deja.com]

Lon I do not know why you have an attitude now. I was just spelling out
the difference between the major pentatonic and minor. It for others to
read and see. As far as Hungarian minor being a mode of the Hungarian
minor that is not true. The harmonic minor has for its formula the
following notes. For E harmonic minor E F# G A B C D# E. For E
Hungarian minor you have E F# G A A# B C D# E. You can clearly see it
is an E harmonic minor with an added flat 5 or sharp 4 either way. This
is one of the scales Randy Rhodes used at times and so does Malmstein.
As well as many jazzers when they play The harmonic minor modes. It in
theory though is not a Harmonic minor mode. I do not mean to correct
you but it is true what I am saying. Lorijeanm

[Brad]

In article <8v603j$g0l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

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>

Lori,

As an impartial observer I gotta go with Lon here. I have been doing
quite a bit of scale work and I got a little confused when I read that
particular post you guys are discussing. I dont mean to speak for Lon
but as he said you gotta be careful not to confuse some of us "minds
full of mush" When you were talking about "the pentatonic scale" as if
it was a separate entity I was wondering if you were talking about the
pattern or a scale position itself. I probably shouldnt intervene here
at all as both of you guys are light years ahead of me. I havent been
here long but have noticed Lon to be one of the people that jumps in
and answers a lot of posts he is and you can be a valuable person here.

I may be all wet here Lori but with my limited knowledge it seems like
what Lon corrected you with was legit?? If I am wrong I am apoloize.

I think I will stop when I have learned 500 scales or patterns and then
figure out what to do with them. I am caught in the trap of saying to
myself I will learn scales till I can do them in my sleep then figger
out what to do with them.

Brad

Shoot for the moon, for if you miss, you will be
among the stars.......

[lori...@my-deja.com]

I just looked at my post Brad about hungarian minor. I ment to the
hungarian minor is not a mode of the harmonic minor lol. Sorry. As far
as the pentatonioc scale thing I am right about that. Just a typo
sorry. Lorijeanm

[ref]

>I think I will stop when I have learned 500 scales or patterns and then
>figure out what to do with them. I am caught in the trap of saying to
>myself I will learn scales till I can do them in my sleep then figger
>out what to do with them.

A lot has been posted on this newsgroup about scales and theory, etc.
the past few months, and I'd like to add something to sort of put
it in perspective, especially for beginners who may feel overwhelmed
by it all.

Mainly, don't be obsessed with it. It's good to keep learning scales
and what they are and how they work together with other scales, but
remember to PLAY and have fun. You can take a little 7-fret box
with pentatonic major and minor notes, and spend years just doodling
in it, picking and bending and sliding and vibrato'ing and making
MUSIC, beautiful music, and never learn anouther scale the rest of
your life.

There are a lot of guys out there who could
pick 5 or 6 notes and make sounds that would bring tears to your
eyes and a lump in your throat, while there are many others who
can play a zillion scales at 28 notes per second and just flat
bore you to death.

A lot of beginners seem to have this notion that the more guitar
knowledge they have, the better players they are. Not true. It
helps, yes, but it's not some automatic thing, like "if I learn
this and this and this, then I can play like Steve Vai."

It's like an oil painting. You can go out and buy $10,000 worth
of oil painting supplies, books, study the masters, memorize tons
of color theory, compositional geometry, etc. but that doesn't
automatically enable you to sit down at a blank canvas and
create a masterpiece.

Likewise, a SKILLED artist can take a cheap brush and
half a dozen tubes of Kmart paint and throw up a gorgeous,
beautiful mountain landscape in 30 minutes.

You get the picture. Same thing with guitar playing. Sure, it's
good to learn this stuff. It IS useful, and it IS
worth learning. Just don't forget to learn to PLAY while
you're at it.

Ron M.

[lori...@my-deja.com]

Learning should be fun. The trap to learning anything is this. You have
to be careful not to develop a lot of bad habits. Not only bad habits
in your technique but in your thought process as well. For example
let's take two guitar players we will call them guitar player A and
guitar player B. Now A is the the type of guitar player that starts out
with no real direction they just get a guitar and start playing.
Reading info here and there trying this and that. Where as guitar
player B does the opposite. They take a look at what guitar playing is
about seek out the best way to learn and find good information.

Now both guitar players A and B will practice for say an hour and play
and have fun for an hour. When I say have fun I mean play songs and jam
with CDs and stuff. Now 2 years down the road both guitar players have
come to decision they want to be professional musicians. Here is the
problem guitar player A will have. It is a sure bet that guitar player
A has a lot of bad habits. Some of which have become apart of their
style and will take a lot of hard work to undo. Where as guitar player
B has none. They do not need to go back and undo anything. It is at
this point where guitar A has no chance of ever being as good as guitar
player B.

I do think it is important to have fun I also think whatever you learn
you should give your self the best chance you can. Many people give
advice based on their own experience. That does not mean they are
right. There has been a lot said about every one has a right to their
opinion. That is true. However, just because you have opinion or I have
opinion means nothing. The bottom line is what are the results of what
you or I believe. If a person is smart they will forget about opinions
and go for results. There is a right way to learn guitar and their is a
wrong way.

The right way does not mean you will be rich and famous. It does
however, mean that you will be able to do with guitar whatever you want
to. Play any style or song and understand all that you play. The wrong
way means you will never be as good as someone who does it the right
the way.

Scales do not have to take forever to learn nor do chords. I have told
many here they can learn scales in very short time and be as good as
those that have taken years to learn them. When I say learn them I
mean be able to know where they are. The technique will take some time
for beginners but the knowledge of the fretboard can be achieved in 4-6
months. This is not my opinion these are proven results. The choice is
simple. Ther is no reason why in 2 years time a beginner can not know
most all the chords and scales they need and have fun at the same time.
Not only that they can be the best they can be. Lorijeanm

[ref]

In article <8v93hk$krm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <lori...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Learning should be fun. The trap to learning anything is this. You have
>to be careful not to develop a lot of bad habits. Not only bad habits
>in your technique but in your thought process as well. For example

Certainly, the suggestion of "learning to play" and to have fun
Relaxing and learning to PLAY, as well as learning theory stuff,
doesn't automatically mean to lay back and be sloppy. Bad habits are
notoriously easy to form in guitar playing, as we all know.

I didn't mean for my post to be comprehensive and touch all the
bases. No matter how you play, you DO need to structure your
practice time, hold the guitar correctly and consistenty, etc.
There's no way your muscles are going to learn specific
movements if you're sitting/holding the guitar differently
every time.

>player B does the opposite. They take a look at what guitar playing is
>about seek out the best way to learn and find good information.
>
>Now both guitar players A and B will practice for say an hour and play
>and have fun for an hour. When I say have fun I mean play songs and jam
>with CDs and stuff. Now 2 years down the road both guitar players have
>come to decision they want to be professional musicians. Here is the
>problem guitar player A will have. It is a sure bet that guitar player
>A has a lot of bad habits. Some of which have become apart of their
>style and will take a lot of hard work to undo. Where as guitar player

>The wrong

>way means you will never be as good as someone who does it the right
>the way.

Perhaps you could give a general definition of "playing the wrong
way." There are a million paths to learning the guitar, most of them
ending at the same point. Yngwie had a huge classical background, for
example, while Chet Atkins, who is probably the most skilled guitarist
that ever lived, started going plinka-plinka on his front porch, in his
dirty coveralls, many miles from the nearest guitar teacher. Buddy Guy
is entirely self-taught; he's never had a lesson or studied formally.
Same with Eddie Van Halen.

But again, we're drifting back towards this tthing about being "good."
"A is good, but not as good as B." What is "good"? What is "music"?
If player B can play a neat, simple melody with such exquisite touch
and feel that it makes you close your eyes, lean back your head
and bite your lip, and player A can play with awesome dexterity
and speed over Mongolian Whoopeetonic Double Reverse Jivaro
scales, which one is "good"? Which one is "better"? What attitude
should the beginner have when faced with such a comparison?

Ron M.

[Brad]

In article <8v97lb$2kgk$1...@sullivan.realtime.net>,

Lori,

You gotta remember that some of us "A" players want to just amuse
ourselves and maybe some friends along the way. I turned 50 last week
and dont ever plan to stand on a stage and improvise for anyone. I just
wanna have some fun, of course I want to be good at what I do but I
dont have stars in my eyes.

What Ron touched in his previous posting on being happy and good at
some more basic stuff is what interests me the most. I can work on the
scales I know now and get proficient with them instead of trudging
forward and learning more scales I may never use. His comments about
playing really nice stuff with six or seven notes as opposed to knowing
a zillion scales real fast hits home to me very much and I would guess
a lot of other people here to.

Its not about settling for not being the best its about a hobby (not a
proffesion) that is more intense for some people than others.

I learn from all of these posts, to me its not an issue of who is right
and who is wrong (usually) but just differing opinions.

[lori...@my-deja.com]

I understand Brad. I can see your point. If I may ask you a question I
would asked you this would you like to have a friend play some chords
and you be able to play along with him? Say a blues jam or a song you
like. This is where I have been coming from all this time. You can take
4- 6 months and learn how to play any scale you want over the chords
that are in the lesson method I am talking about. Believe me I am not
spamming you I am telling you the truth. It is the most amazing way to
see the guitar. It works like this.

In every major or modal scale you have two half steps. In the
pentatonic scales you do not have half steps. What you learn is this.
The half steps can quickly be put into a system that allows you to see
them in any way they would be found in a scale with any combination.
Once you learn this system you can say to a friend play these chords.
Then you just take off playing and having the most fun you can imagine.
The great thing is you can learn the scales in faster and complete way.
That is why I push so hard to tell you all. I know you want to have fun
I also know you need to learn right. So why not learn all you can in
less time it would take to learn wrong. This is what I have been saying
all along.

At the same time you are learning scales you are also learning to hear
them as to what they sound like. I once had so much trouble trying to
learn the guitar and remember what I learned. Playing through
visualization has changed my life and is still changing my life. My
guitar teacher says it is still changing his life. He is starting to
work on his first instrumental CD at this time. I hope to hear
somethings on it soon.

The point is you do not have to beat your brains out memorizing where
this finger goes and so on. Uncle Tim's trying to help others with this
as well. His way or what I am talking about will save any beginner or
any guitar player years. I only want to see as many as I can learn to
play the way they want to and as fast as they want to. Uncle Tim and I
are telling you all of a better way then what you see from the main
stream publishers. I am not in with Uncle Tim I just would rather see
his method pushed if others do not want to try the one I use.

If no one wants to try the method I am talking about I will still help
in any way I can with what I have learned. True, I tend to lean more to
being a virtuoso if that is what you want then just having fun.
However, you can have both in less then half the time it once use to
take. Brad you say you are almost 5o years old At 53 you could know
more about the guitar then guitar players who have been playing for 20
years. You may not have the experience they do but you can know the
fretboard better then they do. That will help you or any one make up
for lost time. So the mind set behind any and all of my posts is this
what ever you learn on the guitar give your self the best shot you can
and above all have fun.
To me it is fun to pick up the guitar and play whatever I want. I just
recently did a nice jazz chord arrangement to Silent Night. The cool
thing is I can do it any way I want I love that freedom. If any would
like I will share the arrangement with them with a theory explanantion
of what I am doing. I hope, Brad you and the others can see the heart I
have behind this thread. As well as in the first part I started in this
post. These ideas will work and not only teach you faster but allow you
to have fun at the same time. Lorijeanm

[Lon Smith]

> Ron M. wrote

> and player A can play with awesome dexterity
> and speed over Mongolian Whoopeetonic Double Reverse Jivaro
> scales,
>

I Say I like that! Good one!

[Lon Smith]

Lori,
It was not attitude that made me write what I did, it was resignation. Yet
here I am one more time. This time merely to try to convince you that you
do not and will not understand my desires and obviously many others here,
and should just realize that that does not make us wrong and you right.

> I understand Brad. I can see your point.

But see you don't, or all of the other stuff I have cut here would not have
been typed by you. You would have merely continuedwith something like, "
and I respect your position, but I prefer to know the theory behind what I
play." End of story!

> Playing through
> visualization has changed my life and is still changing my life.

This kind of scares me. It is very similar to what Hari Krishna's and
Jehovah's Witnesses start off with.

> You may not have the experience they do but you can know the
> fretboard better then they do. That will help you or any one make up
> for lost time. So the mind set behind any and all of my posts is this
> what ever you learn on the guitar give your self the best shot you can
> and above all have fun.

No! See! The mind set behind all of YOUR posts is that what ever YOU learn
on the guitar gives YOURSELF the best shot YOU can and above all have fun.
NOT ME, obviously not Brad or Ref either.

> To me it is fun to pick up the guitar and play whatever I want. I just
> recently did a nice jazz chord arrangement to Silent Night. The cool
> thing is I can do it any way I want I love that freedom. If any would
> like I will share the arrangement with them with a theory explanantion
> of what I am doing. I hope, Brad you and the others can see the heart I
> have behind this thread.

It is very obvious to me that you put your heart and soul behind your
guitar. When I first read you I was with others and believed you were just
trying to sell something. Look back through your stuff and try to replace
every passionate thing you said with a phrase from a pushy born again
Christian. You should be able to see how you come across. You are right
even if others can not see it, and it is your job to convince all other
guitar players so you can SAVE them. Well I do not want to be saved.

To put it plainly.

I have played guitar for a long time. I had to decide several years ago
what direction I wanted to take. I am not theory dumb, I certainly know
enough to get by.

NOW LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR......

I would give my left nut to play and especially compose music similar to but
still my own like Robert Johnson, or David Gilmour or Jimi Page! On the
other hand, if you offered to put me to sleep tonight, and when I awoke in
the morning I could play like Steve Vai or Gregg Howe, I would REFUSE. I
DO NOT want to play this way, and there are others out there who feel the
same way. Is that clear enough?

I am not conveying attitude or attempting to be an asshole. I am just
trying to get through to you that, even if you are right and I am wrong, I
don't care. I do not want to be saved!

Have a good day Lori, and chill out. Let some of us have our stupid
uninformed opinions. Maybe we have given more thought to it than you give
us credit!

[ref]

In article <8v9snn$7nm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <lori...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>I understand Brad. I can see your point. If I may ask you a question I
>would asked you this would you like to have a friend play some chords
>and you be able to play along with him? Say a blues jam or a song you
>like. This is where I have been coming from all this time. You can take
>4- 6 months and learn how to play any scale you want over the chords
>that are in the lesson method I am talking about. Believe me I am not
>spamming you I am telling you the truth. It is the most amazing way to

>see the guitar. It works like this....

Oh, God... here we go AGAIN.....

Ron M.

[David1229]

You're wasting your time. She's a goner. (btw, those questions and all that
jive she spews come from a book. if you had the same book you could look them
up just as easily as she did)

[Brad]

In article <8v9snn$7nm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
lori...@my-deja.com wrote:

> I understand Brad. I can see your point. If I may ask you a question I
> would asked you this would you like to have a friend play some chords
> and you be able to play along with him? Say a blues jam or a song you
> like.

This is possible but I already know five major scale forms with the
roots based on the bottom three strings a couple minor scales and the
pentatonic scale including some slides, a diminished scale and some
major arpeggios do I need to add more to be able to jam with someone?

Cant I just get real good with the ones I know and be satisfied with
that?

Brad

Shoot for the moon, for if you miss, you will be
among the stars.......

[BJ]

I know some older gentlemen who know nothing of scales and pack a hall
wherever they play. Remember when Hank Williams asked this fellow to
play guitar in his band, his reply was "gee Hank I only know 3 chords G
C And D".
Hank replied "well I thought that's all there was. Mind you I want to
learn scales but a lot couldn't care less. Each of us takes our own
path. I personally do it for myself not to impress anyone.

BJ

--
WPCZ

[kba...@my-deja.com]

In article <3A1AC204...@ns.sympatico.ca>,

BJ <bamyrem...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I know some older gentlemen who know nothing of scales and pack a hall
> wherever they play. Remember when Hank Williams asked this fellow to
> play guitar in his band, his reply was "gee Hank I only know 3 chords
G
> C And D".
> Hank replied "well I thought that's all there was. Mind you I want to
> learn scales but a lot couldn't care less. Each of us takes our own
> path. I personally do it for myself not to impress anyone.
>
> BJ

it really a question of what you want to do. there is a big difference
between guitar virtuosity(sp?) and being part of an "act". there are
many guitarist that have their axes parked at the top of the charts and
they really don't know squat on the guitar. then there are guitar
geniouses that don't have any commercial success. i agree with bj and
am out to put a smile on my face only. if you want to be in a band that
plays original music i say go for it even if you haven't ever played
the guitar. if you want to be the type of guy that can walk out of the
audience and jam with strangers and music you never heard and
still "blow everyone away", well thats very different...imho.
kirk

[Claire Goldby]

She never gives up, does she !
Claire