Last nights two installments you will have to catch on a re-broadcast or by
purchasing the DVD's (links below, at $25 bucks a pop). They are not to be
missed (I implore you).
If you've ever heard the term "neo-conservative" and were not quite sure
exactly what it meant, you had better find out. Richard Perle's
independently produced 1 hour documentary part, "The Case for War: In
Defense of Freedom" which aired last night, is an eye opener.
http://www.pbs.org/weta/crossroads/about/show_the_case_for_war.html
Last nights other 1 hour part, GANGS OF IRAQ: "The anatomy of civil war"
will help you understand the problems our military in the field has been
facing (also quite an eye opener, and that's an understatement, as the above
part is).
http://www.pbs.org/weta/crossroads/about/show_gangs_of_iraq.html
Do we stay or do we go -- is the question. "Crossroads" indeed, the series
title is apt. We have a new Democratic-party led congress. Before you decide
what it is you "want them to do in your name", you might want to find out as
best you can exactly what _needs_ doing, what you _want_ done, _how_ you
want it to be done, and when. These shows may help focus one's "intent", so
to speak.
"America at a Crossroads", PBS, Frontline Series (premiere), 11 parts (11
hours) airing all this week (6 nights, 2 hours per night running
consecutive, Sunday through Friday night).
http://www.pbs.org/weta/crossroads/about/index.html
DVD's
http://www.shoppbs.org/searchHandler/index.jsp?searchId=20964322732&keywords
=crossroads&view=all
Roger
I think you got the wrong group. I only want to play the guitar to
some level before I die. Other than that I could care less.
Unfortunately PBS has lost a lot of credibility when they picked on
Wal-Mart and the passing away of Fred Rogers who was a kick ass jazz
pianist.
Who used to play with Lumpy Brannum (Mr Green Jeans)
on upright bass.
Lumpy
--
Can you do that FM disc jockey voice?
Yes, but it doesn't translate well in ascii.
www.lumpyvoice.net
> From: kitekrazy <kite...@sbcglobal.net.nospam>
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:16:22 GMT
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline
> Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>> Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
>> Anyone who _is_ interested in "living"
> I think you got the wrong group.
Sorry. Could you point me to where the earthlings congregate? :)
Roger
> kitekrazy wrote:
>
>>...Fred Rogers who was a kick ass jazz
>>pianist.
>
>
> Who used to play with Lumpy Brannum (Mr Green Jeans)
> on upright bass.
>
>
> Lumpy
Were there ping pong balls?
--
Les Cargill
Scroll down to "Setting up my acoustic guitar" and read my comments made
just moments ago. But first, since you like PBS go to
http://video.google.com/ and submit the search term: secret government bill
moyers.
In 1987 Moyers tried to help Americans learn it is the CIA working with
foreign powers, e.g the jews and the U.S. are the terrorists.
Go watch Moyers and learn what is really occurring and then go even further
back if you dare and you'll know those domestic enemies called
neo-conservatives is another way of saying neo-nazis and perhaps you'll
begin to understand how effective their propaganda really is and all of us
have been victimized by those who are the real terrorists.
Like Pogo said in the comics "I have seen the enemy and it is us" only this
is the real world not cartoons and the domestic enemies and the foreign
powers they serve have conducted many false flag operations to cause massive
misinformed shifts in the population of once freedom and liberty loving
people too many of which still do not understand that our once beloved
nation really has been lost to those controlling what is now the jewnited
states because...
<!-- 9-11 Was An Inside Job -->
You could? That means that you must care to some degree. If you didn't
care at all, then you couldn't care less.
> Unfortunately PBS has lost a lot of credibility when they picked on
> Wal-Mart and the passing away of Fred Rogers who was a kick ass jazz
> pianist.
alt.guitar.amps. You call em' earthlings, I call em' idiots who
desperately need a life.
Go there unless you can mix some guitar technique in between the sky is
falling global warming crap and Muslim take over of earth. If the latter
is more to the truth then you better provide some sitar tips and tuning.
> From: kitekrazy <kite...@sbcglobal.net.nospam>
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:23:01 GMT
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline
> Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>
> Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
>>
>>> From: kitekrazy <kite...@sbcglobal.net.nospam>
>>> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
>>> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:16:22 GMT
>>> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline
>>> Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>>
>>>> Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
>>>> Anyone who _is_ interested in "living"
>>> I think you got the wrong group.
>> Sorry. Could you point me to where the earthlings congregate? :)
> alt.guitar.amps. You call em' earthlings, I call em' idiots who
> desperately need a life.
>
> Go there unless you can mix some guitar technique in between the sky is
> falling global warming crap and Muslim take over of earth. If the latter
> is more to the truth then you better provide some sitar tips and tuning.
Here is your requested music lesson for the day:
Play a harmonic tritone interval on your guitar (six semitones wide, any b5
interval on two adjacent strings will do. Play the tones simultaneously,
like a small chord).
Now observe the steps needed to "resolve" that discordant and dissonant
interval of music to a minor 6th interval (the inversion of a Major 3rd).
Call it a "picardy 6th" if you like -- that is, a surprise happy ending (a
gift from your 16th century fellow musicians, to you).
Try it this way:
x56xxx
to...
x47xxx
Music is a key to Harmony. Few degrees of separation make a resolution -- a
solution, acceptable to all parties.
Hope you like the mix.
Roger
P.S. Google "picardy 3rd".
> Anyone who _is_ interested in "living" needs to keep heads-up on a minimum
> of two fronts at once: the environment _and_ The Islamist (heretic)
> Terrorist movement sweeping the globe. Towards the later, this currently
> running PBS series is a must see (and I do mean *must see*).
Saudi Arabia is responsible for Islamism, and they should be
held responsible for it. If you haven't noticed that Saudi
Arabia is the enemy, you just haven't been paying attention.
daveE
--
Free download of technical exercises worth a lifetime of practice:
http://www.openguitar.com/dynamic.html :::: You can play the cards
you're dealt, or improve your hand with DGT. Very easy guitar
music, solos, duets, exercises, etc. draTra...@openguitar.com
> From: David Raleigh Arnold <d...@openguitar.com>
> Organization: openguitar.com
> Reply-To: d...@openguitar.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:02:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline
> Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>
> Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
>
>> Anyone who _is_ interested in "living" needs to keep heads-up on a minimum
>> of two fronts at once: the environment _and_ The Islamist (heretic)
>> Terrorist movement sweeping the globe. Towards the later, this currently
>> running PBS series is a must see (and I do mean *must see*).
>
> Saudi Arabia is responsible for Islamism, and they should be
> held responsible for it. If you haven't noticed that Saudi
> Arabia is the enemy, you just haven't been paying attention.
> daveE
David;
One of the first two installments (of 11) in the series covers the birth and
evolution of the anti-Mohammedans in detail. I was only able to see bits and
pieces of those shows last Sunday night, but I think it's fair to say that
Saudi Arabia's role and complicity is fairly recent in the scheme of things.
I don't think it would be a stretch to say that the founding of the state of
Israel in the late 1940's, and thus Adolph Hitler, Imperial Great Britain,
and the United Nations, among others, might be pointed to as fire-starters.
Oh, and then there were the Crusades if I recall correctly. Be that as it
may, more recently, in the fourth quarter of the 20th century, late 1970's
and the decade of the 80's in particular, the very definite seeds of the
extremist home-brewed fundamentalist counter-Islamic anti-Muslim Terrorist
movement were sewn, and that part of the story is fairly thoroughly (it
appeared to me) detailed in the initial documentary episodes. Do try to
catch them on a re-run or DVD when you can.
By the way, last nights two installments were very very good, and tonight's
final two episodes promise to be as well. Bill Moyers produced one of
tonight's upcoming hours, so our kite-loving friend may want to watch as
well.
I never knew that Thomas Jefferson, owned, read, and referred-to his
personal copy of the Koran. All human-kind are created Equal. That much I
have heard somewhere.
Roger°
I believe you are misinformed if you think Saudi is responisible for
Islam. You need to look a little further back. However, as a whole,
aside from Cat Stevens (aka Yusuf Islam, aka Steven Demetre Georgiou),
Islam has not produced many notable guitar players.
> From: Derek <de...@ycoaoffice.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: 20 Apr 2007 13:38:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline
> Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>
Hi Derek;
Interesting to note, essentially to the contrary; it is not impossible to
trace linkages from early middle-eastern Ouds (some even with frets) through
European lutes and guitars.
Also interesting to note; we received our now indispensable zero digit from
the Arabs, meaning medieval period Islamic mathematicians, who I do suspect
for delivering this gift. This guitarist at least, has made much hay from
nothing (and all things). I now believe that if we-all were to gently,
gracefully, and with all-due gratitude, hand zero _back_ to the Muslims, it
and it's influence and benefits having now traveled round the world, if we
were to return zero to it's lofty perch high atop a minaret, maybe even one
now disguised amid some later fashioned Cathedral (15th/16th century
Spanish, try Toledo: http://www.wsu.edu:8001/~wldciv/tours/spain/tol10.jpg
), nestled, held, and supported comfortably in it's long awaiting "crescent
moon" cradle, returned once-again home, well then I think we all might-could
have a happy ending/beginning after all.
Let us pray -- we dally not.
Work to do, much to do. Forget our home-dot [0] not.
With or without it, we are naught.
But three dots make continue-ed . . .
Roger°
P.S. a wiki-check says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)#History_of_zero
. . "The Hindu numeral system(base 10) reached Europe in the 11th century,
via the Iberian Peninsula through Spanish Muslims the Moors, together with
knowledge of astronomy and instruments like the astrolabe, first imported by
Gerbert of Aurillac. So in Europe they came to be known as "Arabic
numerals". The Italian mathematician Fibonacci or Leonardo of Pisa was
instrumental in bringing the system into European mathematics in 1202. . "
Pastafarianism, however... starting with Micheal Sembello...
--
Les Cargill
> From: "Roger E. Blumberg" <rblu...@jps.net>
> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:06:15 GMT
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS Frontline
> Series | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
> Bill Moyers produced one of
> tonight's upcoming hours, so our kite-loving friend may want to watch as
> well.
Sorry kite-man, it was Mr. "9-11 Was An Inside Job" who might like some mo
Moyers.
Roger
Well the annual Jimmy Buffett / Parrotthead concert is coming to town
tomorrow and as my birthday is Come Monday. It'll be a hellva weekend ;->
Usually the concert is a present for my wife, but as of late it's been
between me and my middle son's over the years it truly has become a family
time, all of my sons attend. Mark knopfler plays on the latest album (Take
the Weather with you) on a song called "Whoop De Do" man the blues, I just
cannot get the volume loud enough on this one.
MB
> From: "M.Butzin" <mfbu...@sbcglobal.net>
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:06:16 GMT
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS
> FrontlineSeries | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
Hi Mark;
I just finished tonight's 2.5 hours of "homework". I'm a quick-study, but
man what a mess. Are you meaning the hour that dealt with the Muslim
Brotherhood, that's the episode the Saudi's tried to stop [or next Wednesday
night's upcoming Moyer's Journal on PBS]?
I think the American people, and American Christians and Jews, and moderate
American Muslims need to consciously and intent-fully make a real effort
come together here in the States in a major way to try to offset at least
some of the damage that's been done. It's won't be hard at all for the
American groups to come together, we are all the same (excluding perhaps the
so-called "Nation of Islam" Farrakhan Sect, at the outset at least), the
hard part will be undoing the now-made-worse perceptions that America per
say, and Democracy, and all Americans and Westerners, are "the enemy" of all
Islam and all of it's ideals. Jesus, what a mess.
Interesting hybrid that's developed in Indonesia in the last 10 years. They
have their own militant fundamentalist groups which are no joke, to be sure,
but on the whole, seems pretty balanced. They, the Indonesians, have too
much of their own distinct and fairly free native culture than to eat up all
the middle-eastern fundamentalist dogma whole-hog. Won't fly there, or so it
seems, and so we hope.
Turns out the Bill Moyer's Journal installment titled "Buying the War" will
air next Wednesday night on PBS. I haven't been able to afford cable for a
year and half now, being $50 a month for basic service here in SF, so I have
no idea what my old favorite channel (Discovery) has been up to recently,
nor MTV, A&E, Sci-Fi, Comedy channel, etc. But I think maybe next month I
may get plugged-in again, Allah willing, that is '-)
Happy birthday Mark. Enjoy the Buffett and family get-together. And I hope
some miracle ear-implant comes your way someday soon, and that the funds to
make it so will also come true.
Happy happy.
Roger
> Interesting to note, essentially to the contrary; it is not impossible to
> trace linkages from early middle-eastern Ouds (some even with frets)
> through
> European lutes and guitars.
I thought the arrival in the West of the Middle Eastern Oud and it evolving
into the guitar through the lute, the cittern and the guitara was
undeniable.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
> From: "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk>
> Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:17:15 GMT
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS FrontlineSeries
> | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>
>
> "Roger E. Blumberg" <rblu...@jps.net> wrote in message
> news:C24E86A6.551CA%rblu...@jps.net...
>
>> Interesting to note, essentially to the contrary; it is not impossible to
>> trace linkages from early middle-eastern Ouds (some even with frets)
>> through
>> European lutes and guitars.
>
> I thought the arrival in the West of the Middle Eastern Oud and it evolving
> into the guitar through the lute, the cittern and the guitara was
> undeniable.
>
> --
> William Black
Hi William;
The very early history, evolutions, and influences, are extremely difficult
to trace out or prove actually. If you start your time-line in the mid
1400's, Iberian peninsula, Kingdom of Aragon in particular, but also then a
little later in Valencia (Spain) and Urbino (Italy), it is possible to
follow an essentially new and independent vihuela-viola evolution and
thread, one with little or no apparent and immediate predecessor or
evolutionary past family-tree members, despite attempts to have it all make
some kind of nice tight wrapped-up logical sense and story.
Even in earlier medieval Iberia, Alfanso X, the famous Cantigas de Santa
Maria manuscript illuminations c.1265, there are any number of guitar-like
guitarra-type instruments shown, but then follows a 200 year gap in the
record where such instruments simply seem to vanish from the face of the
earth. A similar situation occurs with the medieval bowed viol. It
disappears for the same couple hundred years only to reemerge (in somewhat
visually similar form at least) in the mid-1400's, in the same Kingdom of
Aragon again, right along side the plucked vihuela. That is, the bowed
vihuela which became viola da gamba. Plucked and bowed vihuela of the
mid-1400's appear to be wholly new and independent creations, having
essentially no real link to the past, or any past visual near-similars and
analogues. (believe it or not).
The cittern too is really only traceable back to the mid-late 1400's. We
don't even know for sure that there were any wire-strung instruments at all
prior to that. Cittern fans, just like guitar fans, will make-up whatever
they want and need to see and believe, pointing to citoles for example,
anything that might make their instrument and tradition appear to have the
most ancient of roots and origins going all the way back to Mesopotamia if
they can, i.e. thousands of years BC. They all want a nice neat tidy perfect
logical ancient unbroken evolutionary chain and family-tree to follow. But
it's a fiction, it doesn't exist. It is possible that such Renaissance
string instruments as guitars, vihuela/viola, bowed viols (i.e. bowed
vihuela/viola), citterns, etc, were a nod to, an attempt at a kind of
classical revival of some "pictured" ancient instruments by then complete
lost to history in fact. We do know that the Italians for example had been
studying their own antiquity for some time, collecting ancient art and
relics (Greco-Roman that is) to use as models for what became the Italian
Renaissance. So this kind of theory, i.e. a rather blind pictorial (only)
revival or guessing-at of some more ancient instrument "shapes" and types at
least, seems altogether plausible to me.
Spain and Italy were joined at the hip in the 1400's, by politics, Religion,
and trade. So the idea that vihuela plucked and bowed are entirely Iberian
in origin and not Italian (viola) per say really doesn't matter. Then too,
Italian painters and artisans were routinely imported and commissioned by
Spanish courts and Cardinals to do their "stuff", so exactly when and where
even Renaissance vihuela and viola (plucked and bowed) realy came from first
might never be known.
At any rate, lute tuning (4ths and 3rd) and chromatic tied-gut fretting
_were_ most likely ported over to the new vihuela-viola bodied instruments
from bowl-back lutes and gitterns, so if only by that, their tuning,
stringing, and fretting scheme (and that alone is a big enough "that") Arab
Ouds, come European Lutes and Gitterns, come Vihuela/Viola stringing tuning
and fretting, is I think a pretty good link and thread, fair enough, a good
enough case can be made, I'd buy it, works for me. But other parts of the
would-be linkages are quite deniable and debatable, if not just flat out
wrong.
Roger
That part and the entire remaining of the series of that subject(s) in
total. They even went the route of drawing questions of validity to his
credentials as well as the other reporters credentials and their validity
who worked on that story. the wanted the WH to pull the plug on funding for
(PBS)!
Yeah the concert was great we were the opening city for this run, Minute
Maid Park is a wonderful place we were on the "club house" level where the
walk ways are Air Cond and the bars are (close to us) really upscale. Clear
night about 68 degrees the roof was open, me and my son snuck in a half
bottle of Tequlia so the Margaritas were really jazzed up good! ;-> A good
time was had by all 41,000 people, the other venues that have hosted him
make their Margaritas with white wine instead of the real thing, but not MM
Park only Margaritaville Tequlia was used! So I forgot about my shoulder
and back and my wife forgot about her knees. The limo dropped us off right
at our doors and with the tickets we spent about a grand! But what the hey
it's been three years since we went to Dallas for Buffett, Alan Jackson,
George Strait and the Eric Clapton guitar fest. Next weekend is Jazz fest in
New Orleans now if I can just hit the pick three lotto........GUMBO! AHHHH
EEEEEE!
MB
> From: "M.Butzin" <mfbu...@sbcglobal.net>
> Organization: AT&T http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:55:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: OT: must see TV : "America at a Crossroads" | PBS
> FrontlineSeries | 11 parts airing all this week (6 nights)
>
>
> "Roger E. Blumberg" <rblu...@jps.net> wrote in message
> news:C24F163B.55219%rblu...@jps.net...
>>
>> Hi Mark;
>>
>> I just finished tonight's 2.5 hours of "homework". I'm a quick-study, but
>> man what a mess. Are you meaning the hour that dealt with the Muslim
>> Brotherhood, that's the episode the Saudi's tried to stop [or next
>> Wednesday night's upcoming Moyer's Journal on PBS]?
> That part and the entire remaining of the series of that subject(s) in
> total. They even went the route of drawing questions of validity to his
> credentials as well as the other reporters credentials and their validity
> who worked on that story. the wanted the WH to pull the plug on funding for
> (PBS)!
The WH _has_ always been the life-blood of PBS, hasn't it?
Mmmm good, mother's milk '-)
> Yeah the concert was great we were the opening city for this run, Minute
> Maid Park is a wonderful place we were on the "club house" level where the
> walk ways are Air Cond and the bars are (close to us) really upscale. Clear
> night about 68 degrees the roof was open, me and my son snuck in a half
> bottle of Tequlia so the Margaritas were really jazzed up good! ;-> A good
> time was had by all 41,000 people, the other venues that have hosted him
> make their Margaritas with white wine instead of the real thing, but not MM
> Park only Margaritaville Tequlia was used! So I forgot about my shoulder
> and back and my wife forgot about her knees. The limo dropped us off right
> at our doors and with the tickets we spent about a grand! But what the hey
> it's been three years since we went to Dallas for Buffett, Alan Jackson,
> George Strait and the Eric Clapton guitar fest. Next weekend is Jazz fest in
> New Orleans now if I can just hit the pick three lotto........GUMBO! AHHHH
> EEEEEE!
> MB
This does sound like a night to remember, you had it commin. Limo too!
Did the shrimpers ever recovered from Katrina I wonder? Are shrimp even
surviving the warmer gulf waters these days. With rising sea levels, New
Orleans (residing below sea level already) doesn't stand a chance in future.
I wonder if they've put that 2+2 together for the public yet? Or is everyone
pretending that NO's former glory will ever rise again (for very long).
Roger
Actually no Bush and Co has been looking for ways to cut back PBS funding
but fortunely someone inside the WH tipped PBS and the Discovery Channel
(Tom Brokaw) I believe and had the cameras at the ready when the Saudi's
appeared and made it too public so they were turned away by the WH on the
PBS issue.
Roger,
Some of the big sea food companies are actually growing shrimp in huge ponds
in South Texas, like they do crawfish and catfish so it seems like the
seafood industry has found a way to cover what they need. As far as NO goes
the people that actually lived there did so on our "dime" public aid and the
majority of those living in the "Quarter" are rich and the flood only
inconvenienced them, however the owners of the rental properties have a long
hard road to "reconstruction" the graft and payola is out of their reach for
"new" construction permits, the NASA area here is similar to NO at sea level
and at the end of Galveston Bay so when the wind blows hard it floods that
area, so there are these homes built on stilts that are enclosed and used
for the garage ten twelve feet high. they have to put elevators in them. As
crazy as that sounds I know dozens of people who have moved back to NO in
TENTS! The pay at Wendy's and Burger King is $20.00 per hour but you gotta
live in tents or trailers while I'm not knocking trailers but a FEMA trailer
that costs $800.00 a month? NOT! The official word is "rebuild" but at what
cost, I ask?
MB
> From: "M.Butzin" <mfbu...@sbcglobal.net>
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Newsgroups: alt.guitar.beginner
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:09:42 GMT
This is good. I'll have to see if Google can get me the name of the
particular Discovery channel show you're referring to.
They better have a lot of tanks! ;-) And the one-time fishermen themselves
(and their families and other support industry related jobbers) are still
f*cked either way.
A similar thing is happening here on the Pacific. The entire Salmon fishing
industry and infrastructure up and down the coast is essentially dead in the
water. The Klamath river (Oregon) is central to the story.
> As far as NO goes
> the people that actually lived there did so on our "dime" public aid and the
> majority of those living in the "Quarter" are rich and the flood only
> inconvenienced them, however the owners of the rental properties have a long
> hard road to "reconstruction" the graft and payola is out of their reach for
> "new" construction permits, the NASA area here is similar to NO at sea level
> and at the end of Galveston Bay so when the wind blows hard it floods that
> area, so there are these homes built on stilts that are enclosed and used
> for the garage ten twelve feet high. they have to put elevators in them. As
> crazy as that sounds I know dozens of people who have moved back to NO in
> TENTS! The pay at Wendy's and Burger King is $20.00 per hour but you gotta
> live in tents or trailers while I'm not knocking trailers but a FEMA trailer
> that costs $800.00 a month? NOT! The official word is "rebuild" but at what
> cost, I ask?
Pretty nuts, the whole thing. Come to think of it, Florida's NASA centers
are also at sea level, nice. Maybe that's why they're shutting the whole
thing down, shuttle program, etc. Writing's on the wall.
Roger
Last year it was also in a "Frontline" story about the cuts proposed for
PBS. (around this time of the year).