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-the HoSt-

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Aug 12, 2007, 12:22:30 PM8/12/07
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Susan

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Aug 12, 2007, 11:47:25 AM8/12/07
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I presumed they weren't looking for a two-headed woman, and wanted her
to sing either lead or harmony, depending on the song. Don't know of any
other way to do it:)

-Susan

Neil N

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Aug 12, 2007, 12:30:58 PM8/12/07
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On Aug 12, 12:22 pm, "-the HoSt-" <H...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://kc.backpage.com/musician/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A610149&n...

>
> Maybe it sounds good to some.
>
> Lol...
>
> H.

Well, to me the ad is succinct, and I understand the skills they are
looking for completely. I admit, I am assuming that the abilities
required won't have to be utilized simultaneously. A reasonable
assumption, in my experience.

So, how you would you write this ad?

BW

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Aug 12, 2007, 1:57:55 PM8/12/07
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Nothing at all confusing or contradictory about this ad.

Jim Carr

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Aug 12, 2007, 3:06:56 PM8/12/07
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"BW" <barryb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Nothing at all confusing or contradictory about this ad.

True. But it's pretty useless because it doesn't mention what style of
music.


Susan

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Aug 12, 2007, 4:16:42 PM8/12/07
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Well, there you go making a good point, when I was making a silly joke.
For that matter, they didn't mention which instruments they were hoping
she might play. What if, like *a lot* of women these days (who are busy
doing things besides posting here), she happened to play bass, along
with singing? Perhaps this ad is a sly way to get rid of their current
bass player and -the HoSt- picked up on it? Hmmmm...

-Susan

OscartheGrouch

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Aug 12, 2007, 8:25:06 PM8/12/07
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"Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
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Looks to me like they want a new lead singer, female, who also plays
something like guitar or keys. Shoulda thrown is something about music style
so they don't get a zydeco pro when they play classic rock. Otherwise seems
straightforward to me.


Mike Rieves

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Aug 12, 2007, 11:36:46 PM8/12/07
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"OscartheGrouch" <Tond...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
simultaneously.
I wonder what they would do if someone who could do both simultaneously were
to show up and audition.
:-)


Susan

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Aug 13, 2007, 1:02:14 AM8/13/07
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Mike Rieves wrote:

> I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
> simultaneously.

Ummm, it's actually impossible to do both at that same time. The human
voice can only do one pitch at a time.

> I wonder what they would do if someone who could do both simultaneously were
> to show up and audition.
> :-)

I suppose that it would depend on the personalities of the band members
and whether they liked "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" or "Forbidden
Planet" better!

-Susan

Mike Rieves

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Aug 13, 2007, 1:23:44 AM8/13/07
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"Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
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You must be talking about the remake of "Body Snatchers, and I know you're
not old enough to remember "Forbidden Planet" You must have seen it recently
on A&E, right? :-)


Susan

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Aug 13, 2007, 1:47:48 AM8/13/07
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Mike Rieves wrote:

> You must be talking about the remake of "Body Snatchers, and I know you're
> not old enough to remember "Forbidden Planet" You must have seen it recently
> on A&E, right? :-)

Oh, no, I'm talking about the original "Body Snatchers." I hated the
remake. That and "Forbidden Planet" have been on tv forever. My favorite
movie, outside of the first two Star Wars movies is "Day of the
Triffids" - the original with Howard Keel. Best line ever, "Keep behind
me. There's no sense in getting killed by a plant." That answers all
your questions, right?:)

-Susan

Mike Rieves

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Aug 13, 2007, 1:59:29 AM8/13/07
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"Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
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Have you ever seen "The Day the Earth Stood Still"? If not, try to catch
it next time it's on TV. I try to watch it, "Forbidden Planet", "Body
Snatchers", and "Triffids" every time they come on TV, I don't know why, but
I never seem to get tired of them. I still vividly remember the first time I
saw the original "Body Snatchers", I was nine or ten, and I saw it on "Shock
Theater", the local Friday late night TV horror show. I was suspicious of
everybody for days afterwards. :-)


Derek Tearne

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Aug 13, 2007, 1:59:56 AM8/13/07
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Susan <s...@freeshell.org> wrote:

> Mike Rieves wrote:
>
> > I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
> > simultaneously.
>
> Ummm, it's actually impossible to do both at that same time. The human
> voice can only do one pitch at a time.

That's not quite correct.

Tuvan throat singers can get several pitches and overtones at the same
time.

Other singers use similar tricks to sing multiple pitches at the same
time.

However, it isn't the sort of skill one would expect or demand from a
generic band singer.

--- Derek

--
Derek Tearne - de...@url.co.nz
Many Hands - Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.manyhands.co.nz/

kebs

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Aug 13, 2007, 2:02:44 AM8/13/07
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Susan wrote:
> Mike Rieves wrote:
>
>> I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
>> simultaneously.
>
> Ummm, it's actually impossible to do both at that same time. The human
> voice can only do one pitch at a time.
>

Or not;)
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00080AA2-BA32-1C73-9B81809EC588EF21


kebs
>
> -Susan

Mike Rieves

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Aug 13, 2007, 2:03:48 AM8/13/07
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"Derek Tearne" <de...@url.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Susan <s...@freeshell.org> wrote:
>
>> Mike Rieves wrote:
>>
>> > I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
>> > simultaneously.
>>
>> Ummm, it's actually impossible to do both at that same time. The human
>> voice can only do one pitch at a time.
>
> That's not quite correct.
>
> Tuvan throat singers can get several pitches and overtones at the same
> time.
>
> Other singers use similar tricks to sing multiple pitches at the same
> time.
>
> However, it isn't the sort of skill one would expect or demand from a
> generic band singer.
>
> --- Derek
>

There was a guy here who could sing harmony with himself on a couple of
songs. He used a trick similar to that of the throat singers and the harmony
part was actually a drone, but it was impressive the first time you heard
nim do it. :-)


Jim Carr

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Aug 13, 2007, 2:11:57 AM8/13/07
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"Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Rieves wrote:
>
>> I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
>> simultaneously.
>
> Ummm, it's actually impossible to do both at that same time. The human
> voice can only do one pitch at a time.

You know, you'd *think* that was the case. Check this out:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_078b.html


Derek Tearne

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Aug 13, 2007, 2:17:16 AM8/13/07
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Jim Carr <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote:

I dunno, they may cover many styles, they may be developing a new style
that can't be described, they may be open to new directions and feel
that asking for a specific type of singer may not be wise, they may be
fed up of all the adds that spend three pages describing musical
influences and influential bands that cross 10 styles and 20 genres.
eg.
http://kc.backpage.com/musician/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A611685&name
=musicians%20available%2Fwanted

Perhaps they've found that "Established goth influenced leather metal
band looking for female singer with 'big hair'" didn't get them many
calls.

The biggest problem with that ad I'd say is that the subject wasn't
"Established band looking to for female vocalist".

Looking at the KC ads I realise how out of touch with current trends I
am.

What exactly *is* a 'Christian Screamo Band' when it's at home?

js

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Aug 13, 2007, 2:40:37 AM8/13/07
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I don't get it. seems pretty straightforward.

--
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My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand: http://www.jmsjazz.com

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
comes out."

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js

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Aug 13, 2007, 2:57:34 AM8/13/07
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Hey, you seem kind of new here, so may I give you some unsolicited advice?

1) This is a bass newsgroup, which means a large percentage of posters have
no concept of sarcasm, hyperbole, dramatic effect, inference, context,or
shades of meaning. Hence the raison d'etre for this thread...

2) "Always" or "never" are "danger words" here, as some guys will take you
literally, and spend weeks scouring the interwebs to find the ONE exception
that "proves" you wrong. I haven't checked the other posts, but I'm sure
they've "owned" you with Tuva throat singing by now? I KNOW you literally
*meant* that it was impossible to sing the lead and harmony to say, "Sweet
Home Alabama" at the same time, but these guys don't. You gotta fill in the
blanks for 'em.

3) NEVER, EVER, EVER say anything bad about Behringer products. EVER. Even
when they suck. : D

You're welcome.

--
Check out my band, West Eats Meat http://www.myspace.com/westeatsmeat

My Homepage, Back By Popular Demand: http://www.jmsjazz.com

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it
comes out."

- Bill Hicks

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Jim Carr

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"js" <NOS...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
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> 3) NEVER, EVER, EVER say anything bad about Behringer products. EVER. Even
> when they suck. : D

4) Never disagree with John Shaugnessy. He is the VOICE of EXPERIENCE.
However, if you *do* feel the need to disagree, be sure to call him only
after 2:00 in the afternoon. Not on his cell phone, though, and especially
not from your cubicle. :-)


Nick Cassimatis

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"-the HoSt-" <Ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Judging from the "Female Singer" threads we've had going here:

The band dumped the female lead singer, not the other way around?

--
Nick Cassimatis

He who laughs last has a good backup!


BW

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Aug 13, 2007, 8:21:55 AM8/13/07
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Actually, there are cultures, far from these shores, where people CAN
sing multiple tones. If I remember correctly, it involves nasal tone
production. Weird.

BW

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Aug 13, 2007, 8:26:37 AM8/13/07
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Oooops. This response of mine didn't act as I expected and posted in a
different place on the thread. That, plus I didn't read Derek's
response before I said the same thing. Sorry. I'm going back to bed
now.

Oci-One Kanubi

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Aug 13, 2007, 9:26:46 AM8/13/07
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> Maybe it sounds good to some.


S'pose it said: "Working 3-piece blues/rock band needs a 4th. Must
play guitar and harp. Singing a huge plus."

Would you figger that means "must play both simultaneously"? (And no,
it is NOT possible. You can honk Bob Dylan-style from a harp rack,
but to really PLAY the blues harp you need to use yer hands.) Or
"Must be able to sing while blowing harp?"

Or are you just making the ol' "chick singer" joke?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll

Oci-One Kanubi

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Aug 13, 2007, 9:35:44 AM8/13/07
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> on A&E, right? :-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

When I rank the top science-fiction film (heh heh, I called it "film",
not "movie"!) of each decade, I get "Forbidden Planet" for the '50s,
"2001, A Space Oddyssy" for the '60s, "Star Wars" for the '70s, and...
gee, I dunno, "Alien" or the "Terminator "for the '80s. "Alien", I
guess. There mighta bin a great one in the '90s, but I dunno what it
was.

I was about 12 when I saw "Forbidden Planet", in an neighborhood
outdoor theater (walk-in, not drive-in; it was a Saturday-night only
thing for kids) showing second- or third-run movies for a dime, before
TV put that kinda thing out of bidnets.

Oci-One Kanubi

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On Aug 13, 2:17 am, de...@url.co.nz (Derek Tearne) wrote:
>
> What exactly *is* a 'Christian Screamo Band' when it's at home?

And why could anyone possibly want to know?

Oci-One Kanubi

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On Aug 13, 2:57 am, "js" <NOS...@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> Hey, you seem kind of new here, so may I give you some unsolicited advice?
>
> [cut]

>
> 2) "Always" or "never" are "danger words" here, as some guys will take you
> literally, and spend weeks scouring the interwebs to find the ONE exception
> that "proves" you wrong. I[snip]

Uh, John, it's not "the interwebs", it's "the interenet" or "the
web". Please join us in the 21st Century.

HTH,

-the HoSt-

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Aug 13, 2007, 3:47:21 PM8/13/07
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OMG I am sorry everybody, this was supposed to be a joke! Lol hahah.
Everyone in the newsgroup replied and nobody saw it.

Here, look at it this way:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Established band looking to fill position
posted: August 10, 2007, 06:11 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reply: click here


We are looking for a female singer...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
---

So basically the band was looking for a female to FILL her position!
Freudian slip?

OGawd I have a dirty mind....
H.

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Derek Tearne

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Aug 13, 2007, 6:34:47 PM8/13/07
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BW <barryb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oooops. This response of mine didn't act as I expected and posted in a
> different place on the thread. That, plus I didn't read Derek's
> response before I said the same thing.

Fear not, several almost simultaneous post reiterating the same point is
a demonstration of 'harmony'.

Pt

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On Aug 12, 10:36 pm, "Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote:
> "OscartheGrouch" <Tonda...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:CxNvi.6250$Ns6.4359@trnddc01...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
> >news:hUJvi.159940$5y.1...@newsfe18.lga...
> >> Jim Carr wrote:
> >>> "BW" <barrybass...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:1186941475....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> Nothing at all confusing or contradictory about this ad.
>
> >>> True. But it's pretty useless because it doesn't mention what style of
> >>> music.
>
> >> Well, there you go making a good point, when I was making a silly joke.
> >> For that matter, they didn't mention which instruments they were hoping
> >> she might play. What if, like *a lot* of women these days (who are busy
> >> doing things besides posting here), she happened to play bass, along with
> >> singing? Perhaps this ad is a sly way to get rid of their current bass
> >> player and -the HoSt- picked up on it? Hmmmm...
>
> >> -Susan
>
> > Looks to me like they want a new lead singer, female, who also plays
> > something like guitar or keys. Shoulda thrown is something about music
> > style so they don't get a zydeco pro when they play classic rock.
> > Otherwise seems straightforward to me.
>
> I get the "Lead and Harmony" thing, it's kind of hard to do both
> simultaneously.
> I wonder what they would do if someone who could do both simultaneously were
> to show up and audition.


If she had a harmonizer she could do both.

Pt

Mike Rieves

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"Oci-One Kanubi" <rho...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I'd have to include "The Day The Earth Stood Still" in that list. I
memorized "Klatu Barada Nicto", just in case I ever ran into that robot. :-)

Mike Rieves

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5) Never piss off Jim Carr, he will never get over it!


Neil N

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Aug 14, 2007, 12:00:13 PM8/14/07
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> Pt- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Or, for that matter, if she had an understudy ...

Or, how about a pre-recorded track on a laptop with DAW sequencing
program, complete with click and headphone amp for the drummer ...?
Could be just a wav file, left audio, right click I s'pose .. But that
would not allow a stereo spread of 4 parts doubled.

Even better, if she was Superwoman, she would fly around the world so
fast that time would go backwards, and then she could harmonize with
herself...

Susan

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Aug 14, 2007, 7:21:46 PM8/14/07
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Hi John,

js wrote:
> Hey, you seem kind of new here, so may I give you some unsolicited advice?

Why not?

> 1) This is a bass newsgroup,

I'm relieved to hear that, I wouldn't wanted to have ended up in a "Nose
Flute" group by accident, since I play the bass:-) No offense to any
nose flute players here! But I just thought it might be fun to hang out
with some folks who share a common interest.

> which means a large percentage of posters have
> no concept of sarcasm, hyperbole, dramatic effect, inference, context,or
> shades of meaning. Hence the raison d'etre for this thread...

I think the key word here is newsgroup. The bass players I know in the
carbon world don't seem to have this problem and it doesn't seem too bad
here, certainly not compared to some I've been on, guess I'll take my
chances:-)

> 2) "Always" or "never" are "danger words" here, as some guys will take you
> literally, and spend weeks scouring the interwebs to find the ONE exception
> that "proves" you wrong.

Very true. I "usually" try to avoid such words! Besides, I'm not
generally interested in persuading anyone anymore. It's just too much
work and I'd rather spend my time practicing!

> I haven't checked the other posts, but I'm sure
> they've "owned" you with Tuva throat singing by now? I KNOW you literally
> *meant* that it was impossible to sing the lead and harmony to say, "Sweet
> Home Alabama" at the same time, but these guys don't. You gotta fill in the
> blanks for 'em.

Tehehe, I don't feel owned. Just learned something new. I actually saw a
group of Tuvan throat singers several years ago, but I had no idea what
they were doing. I better send an email to George Martin though, as he
made the statement in his "Rhythm of Life" series, the one on harmony. I
had honestly never thought about it before.

> 3) NEVER, EVER, EVER say anything bad about Behringer products. EVER. Even
> when they suck. : D

Tehehehe, oh yeah, there are some threads I'd just as soon avoid.
Besides, I don't have any Behringer stuff, so I can't say. At my
sister's, I use her Roland KC350 and at a friend's, I use his Ampeg rig.
And at home, I play through my Allen and Heath mixer with a Sans Amp DI
box and headphones. The next piece of gear I want to buy is a house, so
that I can ditch the headphones, but I don't think that Behringer builds
them:-)

Thank you.

> You're welcome.

-Susan

Susan

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Aug 14, 2007, 7:26:41 PM8/14/07
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That's amazing Jim. I wonder what those girls sound like when they talk?
That might get to be annoying.

-Susan

Susan

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Aug 14, 2007, 7:37:32 PM8/14/07
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Derek Tearne wrote:
> BW <barryb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Oooops. This response of mine didn't act as I expected and posted in a
>> different place on the thread. That, plus I didn't read Derek's
>> response before I said the same thing.
>
> Fear not, several almost simultaneous post reiterating the same point is
> a demonstration of 'harmony'.
>
> --- Derek

Very well put!

-Susan

Jim Carr

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"Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
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>> You know, you'd *think* that was the case. Check this out:
>> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_078b.html
>
> That's amazing Jim. I wonder what those girls sound like when they talk?
> That might get to be annoying.

It blew me away when I read it (I own all the Straight Dope books). I can't
even control my vocal cords enough to sing on pitch, much less to harmonize
with myself.


Susan

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Aug 15, 2007, 8:45:08 PM8/15/07
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I'm not going to try it at home! But can they do harmonies with
different rhythms for each part??? I won't feel bad about not having the
singing together with my playing until I hear they can do *that*!

-Susan:-)

Mike Fleming

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Aug 18, 2007, 3:31:48 PM8/18/07
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In article <GfSvi.72801$g86....@newsfe14.lga>, Susan
<s...@freeshell.org> writes:

> My favorite
> movie, outside of the first two Star Wars movies is "Day of the
> Triffids" - the original with Howard Keel.

That is one of the most truly dreadful annhililations of a brilliant
sf book ever. The BBC made an excellent six-part series which mainly
followed the book closely. That is worth watching (it's easy to find
it for download), and the book worth reading, but the Keel "Triffids"
is about on a par with "Night of the Lepus".

--
Mike Fleming

Susan

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Aug 18, 2007, 9:55:18 PM8/18/07
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Oh, I believe you that the BBC version is truer to the book and in fact,
I wouldn't mind seeing it. I'm a hard sci-fi fan, Arthur C. Clarke may
be my favorite writer. Though I like Heinlein's Future History stuff a
lot too. And Asimov.

But the Howard Keel version is really fun, if you like 1950's "B" sci-fi
movies. Some of them were really great and had important messages (the
ban the bomb flicks) and some were really cheesy. I don't tend to like a
lot of more modern sci-fi movies because they are all about effects and
lost track of the story telling and suspense. The Keel version is just
fun, something that my friends and I laugh at. Plus I can scream like
that lady at the lighthouse:-) Which is actually not such a bad self
defense thing, unless you are confronted by a hungry plant:-)

What's "Night of the Lepus" I've never heard of it?

-Susan

CS

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Aug 18, 2007, 10:12:47 PM8/18/07
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I believe it's a very camp film about giant rabbits.... Oh the Horror,
The horror
> http://www.agonybooth.com/lepus/

Susan

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Aug 18, 2007, 10:36:02 PM8/18/07
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CS wrote:
> Susan wrote:

>> What's "Night of the Lepus" I've never heard of it?
>>
>> -Susan

> I believe it's a very camp film about giant rabbits.... Oh the Horror,
> The horror
>> http://www.agonybooth.com/lepus/

Thanks, CS! That looks wonderfully horrible! Giant killer bunny rabbits
with Janet Leigh and Dr. McCoy! I do wish they'd put this on Mystery
Science Theater (and I wish I knew when and where that show was on)!

-Susan:)

Mike Rieves

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"Susan" <s...@freeshell.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Fleming wrote:
>> In article <GfSvi.72801$g86....@newsfe14.lga>, Susan
>> <s...@freeshell.org> writes:
>>
>>> My favorite movie, outside of the first two Star Wars movies is "Day of
>>> the Triffids" - the original with Howard Keel.
>>
>> That is one of the most truly dreadful annhililations of a brilliant
>> sf book ever. The BBC made an excellent six-part series which mainly
>> followed the book closely. That is worth watching (it's easy to find
>> it for download), and the book worth reading, but the Keel "Triffids"
>> is about on a par with "Night of the Lepus".
>
> Oh, I believe you that the BBC version is truer to the book and in fact, I
> wouldn't mind seeing it. I'm a hard sci-fi fan, Arthur C. Clarke may be my
> favorite writer. Though I like Heinlein's Future History stuff a lot too.
> And Asimov.

I grew up on a steady diet of Clarke, Heinlein, Aismov and Andre Norton,
along with lot of other Sci Fi authors of that era.I have a hand written
letter from Ms Norton, written shortly before she died. I had e-mailed her,
thanking her for all enjoyment her books had provided me over the years, and
she replied via snail mail. She didn't like replying via e-mail, she thought
it too impersonal. I corresponded with Jack Chalker on a semi-regular basis
for several years until his death, and I've corresponded briefly with Spider
Robinson and Alan Dean Foster. They are among my favorites in modern science
fiction and fantasy.
Those old sci fi movies of the fifties and early sixties are still my
favorites, many of them were campy, and the special effects often left
something to be desired, but they entertained and often kept us on the edge
of our seats at the Saturday matinees back in the day. Even the cheesy ones
were good for laughs. I still look for those old movies on cable and watch
them again whenever I can.
While we're on the subject, there is one I've been looking for, it was
about creatures that were basically giant eyeballs with tenticles, I beleive
it was the setting was the alps, possibly on Mt Everest, but I'm not sure. I
don't remember the name of it, and I've never seen in on cable, in fact, I
think the last time I saw it was in the theater forty-odd years ago. It
probably wasn't all that great, since I've never seen it on TV, but it
sticks in my mind and I'd like to see it again just to see why I remember
it. :-)


CS

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Mike Rieves wrote:
> While we're on the subject, there is one I've been looking for, it was
> about creatures that were basically giant eyeballs with tenticles, I beleive
> it was the setting was the alps, possibly on Mt Everest, but I'm not sure. I
> don't remember the name of it, and I've never seen in on cable, in fact, I
> think the last time I saw it was in the theater forty-odd years ago. It
> probably wasn't all that great, since I've never seen it on TV, but it
> sticks in my mind and I'd like to see it again just to see why I remember
> it. :-)
>
>
this one rings a bell to me, and it wouldn't have been 40 years ago
cause I'm just past that my self... I would have sen it in the 70's or
80's on the toob.

Mike Rieves

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"CS" <catd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's certainly possible that it's been on TV a few times and I just missed
it, but it can't have been on as often as the better known ones are. I've
seen "The Day the Earth Stood Still", "Them", "Invasion of the Body
Snatchers", "The Thing", and probably a dozen others in the last three or
four months. Of course it would help if I knew that name of that movie. I've
tried googling every way I can think of and not a thing...


Mike Rieves

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I'll be damned, I just tried a google one more time, using "gaint eyeball
in the Alps" and damned if the first result wasn't it. "The Crawling Eye"
http://www.atomicmonsters.com/crawlingeye.htm. Now that brings up the
question, "Why couldn't I remember a name that obvious?". Maybe the movie
wasn't so memorable after all. :-) ...or maybe it was the dialog:

Professor: "And then there's the cloud."
Brooks: "What cloud?"
Professor: "Come on Alan, you know what I'm talking about! The cloud where
there SHOULD be no cloud!"

(Brooks explaining to a newspaper reporter how a Molotov Cocktail works:)
Reporter: "How do these "bombs" of yours work?"
Brooks: "You light the rag in the end of the bottle and then you throw
it."

CS

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Mike Rieves wrote:
> It's certainly possible that it's been on TV a few times and I just missed
> it, but it can't have been on as often as the better known ones are. I've
> seen "The Day the Earth Stood Still", "Them", "Invasion of the Body
> Snatchers", "The Thing", and probably a dozen others in the last three or
> four months. Of course it would help if I knew that name of that movie. I've
> tried googling every way I can think of and not a thing...
>
>
I can be of no further help since all I can conjure is the image of eyes
with tentacles.... I wonder if it wasn't a bad H G Wells adaptation......

Mike Rieves

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"Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote in message
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I don't feel quite so bad now, I just found out it was originally released
in theaters as "The Trollenberg Terror".
http://www.geocities.com/bigfatpav2000/trollenbergterror.html
There were several alternate titles, "The Crawling Eye", "The Creeping Eye",
"The Flying Eye", and "Creatures From Another World". It was originally
released in 1958.


CS

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Mike Rieves wrote:

>>> While we're on the subject, there is one I've been looking for, it was
>>> about creatures that were basically giant eyeballs with tenticles, I
>>> beleive it was the setting was the alps, possibly on Mt Everest, but I'm
>>> not sure. I don't remember the name of it, and I've never seen in on
>>> cable, in fact, I think the last time I saw it was in the theater
>>> forty-odd years ago. It probably wasn't all that great, since I've never
>>> seen it on TV, but it sticks in my mind and I'd like to see it again just
>>> to see why I remember it. :-)

> It's certainly possible that it's been on TV a few times and I just missed

> it, but it can't have been on as often as the better known ones are. I've
> seen "The Day the Earth Stood Still", "Them", "Invasion of the Body
> Snatchers", "The Thing", and probably a dozen others in the last three or
> four months. Of course it would help if I knew that name of that movie. I've
> tried googling every way I can think of and not a thing...
>
>

I have too much time on my hands....
could this have been it?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059161/plotsummary

http://www.moria.co.nz/sf/eyecreatures.htm

tis is the culprit...
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Location/1940/index.html

maybe not I remember the eyes plopping on to bodies and walking away.....

CS

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Mike Rieves wrote:
>> I'll be damned, I just tried a google one more time, using "gaint eyeball
>> in the Alps" and damned if the first result wasn't it. "The Crawling Eye"
>> http://www.atomicmonsters.com/crawlingeye.htm. Now that brings up the
>> question, "Why couldn't I remember a name that obvious?". Maybe the movie
>> wasn't so memorable after all. :-) ...or maybe it was the dialog:
>>
>> Professor: "And then there's the cloud."
>> Brooks: "What cloud?"
>> Professor: "Come on Alan, you know what I'm talking about! The cloud
>> where there SHOULD be no cloud!"
>>
>> (Brooks explaining to a newspaper reporter how a Molotov Cocktail works:)
>> Reporter: "How do these "bombs" of yours work?"
>> Brooks: "You light the rag in the end of the bottle and then you throw
>> it."
>>
> I don't feel quite so bad now, I just found out it was originally released
> in theaters as "The Trollenberg Terror".
> http://www.geocities.com/bigfatpav2000/trollenbergterror.html
> There were several alternate titles, "The Crawling Eye", "The Creeping Eye",
> "The Flying Eye", and "Creatures From Another World". It was originally
> released in 1958.
>
>

so although you beat me to the punch, I did find this gem...
scifi cult films..... yikers do I need to go to bed now.
http://sepnet.com/rcramer/scifi.htm

Nil

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On 19 Aug 2007, "Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote in
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> While we're on the subject, there is one I've been looking for,
> it was about creatures that were basically giant eyeballs with
> tenticles, I beleive it was the setting was the alps, possibly on
> Mt Everest, but I'm not sure. I don't remember the name of it, and
> I've never seen in on cable, in fact, I think the last time I saw
> it was in the theater forty-odd years ago. It probably wasn't all
> that great, since I've never seen it on TV, but it sticks in my
> mind and I'd like to see it again just to see why I remember it.
> :-)

I remember that one - it was called "The Crawling Eye" (quelle
surprise!) There used to be a TV show when I was a kid called
"Creature Feature" where they would show horror and sci-fi movies,
the same one for several days running, multiple times a day. This
one was a favorite of theirs, maybe because the rights to it were
cheap. It was a favorite of mine because I knew it was ridiculous,
but I still found it scary. I'd watch it whenever it came on. But
you're right, it doesn't seem to get shown any more.

Mike Rieves

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"CS" <catd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I actuially remember a few of those films, thanks for the link!


Mike Rieves

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"Nil" <rednoi...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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Cheesy though it was, it had some sort of appeal to me, otherwise I wouldn't
have remembered it.


Jim Carr

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"Nil" <rednoi...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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> I remember that one - it was called "The Crawling Eye" (quelle


> surprise!) There used to be a TV show when I was a kid called
> "Creature Feature" where they would show horror and sci-fi movies,
> the same one for several days running, multiple times a day.

Washington, DC, area?


Nil

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No, Los Angeles. Did they have the same show in DC? Maybe it was
nationally syndicated.

Jim Carr

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"Nil" <rednoi...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Washington, DC, area?
>
> No, Los Angeles. Did they have the same show in DC? Maybe it was
> nationally syndicated.

That's what I was wondering. We had "Creature Feature" on channel 20 in DC.
I remember some goofy guy dressed as dracula rising up out of his coffin to
sort of emcee the show. At least, I think it was for Creature Feature. It
was a LONG time ago. Anyway, I remember it being kind of cheesy, so I
assumed it was a local production. I loved the movies nonetheless.


Jim Carr

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"Jim Carr" <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
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> That's what I was wondering. We had "Creature Feature" on channel 20 in
> DC. I remember some goofy guy dressed as dracula rising up out of his
> coffin to sort of emcee the show. At least, I think it was for Creature
> Feature. It was a LONG time ago. Anyway, I remember it being kind of
> cheesy, so I assumed it was a local production. I loved the movies
> nonetheless.

This was mine.
http://www.countgore.com/

Was this yours?
http://www.bobwilkins.tv/


Nil

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> This was mine.
> http://www.countgore.com/
>
> Was this yours?
> http://www.bobwilkins.tv/

No, that guy was in Sacramento and the Bay area. I don't really
remember the hosts in L.A., ore even if there were any. But, of course,
that was a looooong time ago.

So, maybe the Creature Feature show was local franchises, like Bozo the
Clown. I believe there were many Bozos around the country, and I
remember the L.A. one well enough to be able to pick him out of a
police lineup (as long as he wore his wig and nose.)

CS

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Nil wrote:
> No, Los Angeles. Did they have the same show in DC? Maybe it was
> nationally syndicated.
Creature Feature, afternoons on was it LA 11 or 13? My memory fails
me...

CS

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Jim Carr wrote:

> That's what I was wondering. We had "Creature Feature" on channel 20 in DC.
> I remember some goofy guy dressed as dracula rising up out of his coffin to

> sort of emcee the show. ....
That sounds right....

Nil

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On 23 Aug 2007, CS <catd...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.guitar.bass:

> Creature Feature, afternoons on was it LA 11 or 13? My memory
> fails me...

Beats me. Seems to me it was channel 13 that had all the good old
cartoons and movies. Them was the days before remote controls, and ya
had ta turn the dial by hand.

CS

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yep.... even with "cable"

Les Cargill

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Jim Carr wrote:

Around Tulsa, we had http://www.mazeppa.com/ . It has apparently
maintained a cult following. I do not remember it being particularly
good. Gailard Sartain is still a funny guy.

I also remember TV before late night television going off-air at 10:30
after the news (in CST).

--
Les Cargill

Mike Rieves

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"Jim Carr" <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
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I think many markets had a show named "Creature Feature", with a local
host back then. In Nashville it was Sir Cecil Creepe (played by Russ
McGowan). I think the movies they showed may have been syndicated, but the
hosts were local.


Mike Rieves

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"Les Cargill" <lcar...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> I also remember TV before late night television going off-air at 10:30
> after the news (in CST).
>

Yeah, me too, and I remember getting up early and watching the test pattern
on Saturday morning while waiting for them to resume broadcasting. They
opened with a 15 minute local news and farm report, then the Saturday
morning kid's shows came on. There were cartoons, "Gunga Din", the "Andy
Devine Show". "Ramar of the Jungle", "Sky King", "My Friend Flicka" (not
necessarily in that order), in the morning and then there was the Roy
Rogers/Gene Autry double feature in the afternoon. We had the first 21" TV
in the neighborhood and our living room was full of kids every Saturday
morning.


Jim Carr

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"Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, me too, and I remember getting up early and watching the test
> pattern on Saturday morning while waiting for them to resume broadcasting.

That certainly explains a lot.


ptooner

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"CS" <catd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In the late 60s I worked in broadcast tv in the Carolinas. I was in
graduate school in the daytime so I did a lot of night stuff. We used to
run a "creature feature" thing that we produced locally just like the ones
you describe. For a while we had the coffin guy, then we got the gorgeous
broad (Prototype for Elvira?). That was much better. At the time we ran
terrible old horror movies that frequently fell apart in the camera so you
never knew when they'd actually get over. We also ran reels out of order
sometimes just for the hell of it. It didn't really matter.
Gerry


Mike Rieves

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"Jim Carr" <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
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You didn't grow up in those days, by the time you were old enough to watch
TV, there was cable, and stations broadcast 24 hours a day. In my youth,
there were three stations, which were on the air from around 8AM to
midnight. On saturday mornings, by 7:30 or so, there were usually ten or
twelve kids sitting in my living room floor waiting for the stations to come
on the air. I wouldn't be surprised if you had never even seen a test
pattern.


Jim Carr

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"Mike Rieves" <mr...@hotspam.com> wrote in message
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>> That certainly explains a lot.
> You didn't grow up in those days, by the time you were old enough to
> watch TV, there was cable, and stations broadcast 24 hours a day. In my
> youth, there were three stations, which were on the air from around 8AM to
> midnight. On saturday mornings, by 7:30 or so, there were usually ten or
> twelve kids sitting in my living room floor waiting for the stations to
> come on the air. I wouldn't be surprised if you had never even seen a test
> pattern.

LOL! I never had cable growing up. At 7:30 on a Saturday morning I was
usually getting ready for whatever sports game I had that day. I certainly
wasn't sitting around watching TV test patterns.


Mike Rieves

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"Jim Carr" <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in message
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Well, back in the days of my youth, sports hadn't been invented yet, so we
watched Saturday AM programming and then went out dinosaur hunting in the
afternoons. :-) Seriously, Saturday TV was a ritual around here, we went
out and played whatever sport was in season weekdays and Sunday afternoons,
but on Saturday, we watched TV. I'm talking about the fifties, when TV was
still something new.


Misifus

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Mike, my experience was like yours. TV was a novelty and Saturday
morning was the only time there were kids shows on. We were ready when
they came on. By noon, we were out and gone doing whatever we were
going to do that day, but Saturday morning kids shows, often cartoons,
were thing, and everybody knew test patterns.

Our first TV was one my father made by fabbing a tuner section for a war
surplus O-scope. It was a little weird, green and white instead of
black and white. <g>

-Raf

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Mike Rieves

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Saturday afternoon was the "Roy Rogers/Gene Autry Double Feature", and we
usually stayed in to watch it, afterward, we went out and played, usually
cowboys and indians, some of us had Cherokee ancestors, so the indians were
occasionally the good guys. :-)


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