Forget the Effects and the Gear
Jim Carr
just a couple of girls (age 10 or so) singing "Help" by The Beatles. Two
voices, a guitar, and the in-camera mic. It makes you remember why you
got interested in music in the first place.
http://izismile.com/2009/11/12/kidz_i_help_nice_beatles_cover_2_8_mb.html
http://tinyurl.com/Girls-Sing-Help
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Ian Bell
> Seeing this clip kind of reminded me about the purity of music. It's
> just a couple of girls (age 10 or so) singing "Help" by The Beatles. Two
> voices, a guitar, and the in-camera mic. It makes you remember why you
> got interested in music in the first place.
>
> http://izismile.com/2009/11/12/kidz_i_help_nice_beatles_cover_2_8_mb.html
> http://tinyurl.com/Girls-Sing-Help
>
Yup, it's called 'talent'.
Cheers
Ian
bassman2
> Seeing this clip kind of reminded me about the purity of music. It's
> just a couple of girls (age 10 or so) singing "Help" by The Beatles. Two
> voices, a guitar, and the in-camera mic. It makes you remember why you
> got interested in music in the first place.
You know, I often tell people at band auditions that if you can sound
that good playing acoustically (and at a low volume), then imagine how
much better you can sound when properly mixed...I agree, music pure
and simple.
Laurence Payne
<vince_an...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You know, I often tell people at band auditions that if you can sound
>that good playing acoustically (and at a low volume), then imagine how
>much better you can sound when properly mixed...I agree, music pure
>and simple.
Really? I more often find myself telling a sound guy or recordist
"Now, listen to how they're balancing acoustically. Can't you let
them hear something that enables this, and try not to mess it up in
the mix."
Jim Carr
LOL. Good point.
What struck me was what I heard was the THE SONG. It was right there in
its pure form - melody, harmony, rhythm. I think as musicians we tend to
get hung up on the details and forget where the song really is. We
should only try to make it better without losing its essence.
bassman2
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:40:20 -0800 (PST), bassman2
>
> >You know, I often tell people at band auditions that if you can sound
> >that good playing acoustically (and at a low volume), then imagine how
> >much better you can sound when properly mixed...I agree, music pure
> >and simple.
>
> Really? I more often find myself telling a sound guy or recordist
> "Now, listen to how they're balancing acoustically. Can't you let
> them hear something that enables this, and try not to mess it up in
> the mix."
Hence use of "properly mixed", Laurence...
Laurence Payne
<vince_an...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >You know, I often tell people at band auditions that if you can sound
>> >that good playing acoustically (and at a low volume), then imagine how
>> >much better you can sound when properly mixed...I agree, music pure
>> >and simple.
>>
>> Really? �I more often find myself telling a sound guy or recordist
>> "Now, listen to how they're balancing acoustically. �Can't you let
>> them hear something that enables this, and try not to mess it up in
>> the mix."
>
>Hence use of "properly mixed", Laurence...
But would it sound BETTER?
Jim Carr
I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war, but I get what both of you
are saying. In *this* case I think the performance would be better
caught with a better open air mic. I think if you put a mic each on the
guitar and vocals, it would loose the natural feel it has. Sure, it
would sound "better" in terms of fidelity, but I think it would change
it too much.
I get what bassman2 is saying. These girls have a "natural" balance
between themselves and with the guitar. It's a great starting point to
build up the performance.
js
can get.
"JimmyM" <m...@nnn.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:39:39 -0700, Jim Carr
> <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote:
>
> >Seeing this clip kind of reminded me about the purity of music. It's
> >just a couple of girls (age 10 or so) singing "Help" by The Beatles. Two
> >voices, a guitar, and the in-camera mic. It makes you remember why you
> >got interested in music in the first place.
> >
> >http://izismile.com/2009/11/12/kidz_i_help_nice_beatles_cover_2_8_mb.html
> >http://tinyurl.com/Girls-Sing-Help
>
> selling all my gear and I'm going to play only acoustic guitar
> amplified by a camera mic from now on.
js
him, because that doesn't make any sense.
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bassman2
THANK YOU
Sir Lurksalot
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I don't think there's anything else one could do with that performance that
wouldn't lose something of the essence. That clip captured everything that
was important about the performance, there's nothing to add that wouldn't
subtract, if you get what I mean.
Stompbox
Like the man said at the begining of this, it's why I got interested
in the first place.
First song I ever learned to play was away on a weekend trip from
school in the late sixties - I learned how to play "Things We Said
Today" on a battered acoustic one of the lads had brought up with
him.
What a great moment when I nailed the song.
Never mind the technical stuff or the recording technique, those two
girls are great, and thanks for sharing it with us.
Stompbox
Laurence Payne
<geoffwa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Never mind the technical stuff or the recording technique, those two
>girls are great, and thanks for sharing it with us.
Which sort of "technical" do you mean? There's no point in pretending
that the couple of times the musical flow was interrupted as she
fumbled a chord change add to the performance. That doesn't stop it
being of value of course. But we hope they recognize the scope for
improvement and keep working at it.
Mentalguy2k8
> Seeing this clip kind of reminded me about the purity of music. It's just
> a couple of girls (age 10 or so) singing "Help" by The Beatles. Two
> voices, a guitar, and the in-camera mic. It makes you remember why you got
> interested in music in the first place.
Pretty good, although they don't seem to be enjoying it too much, especially
the non-guitarist.
Kind of get the impression there's a pushy father behind the camera and this
is the 472nd take!
Laurence Payne
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Pretty good, although they don't seem to be enjoying it too much, especially
>the non-guitarist.
>
>Kind of get the impression there's a pushy father behind the camera and this
>is the 472nd take!
They seem to be constantly referring to something below the camera.
And they're certainly concentrating rather than twinkling :-)
Misifus
Is it just me, or does it bother anybody else that she hasn't peeled the
protective plastic off her pickguard?
-Raf
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home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Sir Lurksalot
Yes, but the important thing about that performance was that it was real,
mistakes and all. The little flaws actually add to that particular
performance, they emphasize the fact that it was two young girls having fun
singing.
Sir Lurksalot
It's obvious that they're concentrating on what they're doing, but that
doesn't mean they aren't enjoying what they're doing. The blonde is looking
at her left hand chording, the other is probably reading the words, which
argues against it being many takes. In fact, the flaws point to it being an
impromptu performance. Their body language indicates to me that they are
into the performance, and so are probably enjoying themselves.
Laurence Payne
<non...@business.com> wrote:
>In fact, the flaws point to it being an
>impromptu performance. Their body language indicates to me that they are
>into the performance, and so are probably enjoying themselves.
The remarkably small number of flaws tell me it's a highly rehearsed
performance :-)
Sure, it's great. All compliments and encouragements to the girls.
But let's not worship it.
Jim Carr
> Sure, it's great. All compliments and encouragements to the girls.
> But let's not worship it.
I agree. To me it's less about that particular performance and more
about how a good song can inspire a couple of kids to do what they did.
And it reminds me that a good song is still a good song without all the
effects and fancy gear.
Jim Carr
I checked out some other vids - they have a number of them. They seem to
be looking at lyrics or the music a lot. I don't think anyone is behind
the camera because it never moves, and one of the girls usually jumps up
to turn it off.
It's hard to perform in front of just a camera like that. Give it a shot
sometime. I think if there were a pushy father, there would be some sort
of attempt at showmanship.
Mentalguy2k8
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Yes it was real, very good and sounded great. But they're not having fun by
any stretch of the imagination. One wonders why two girls who are obviously
very good at what they do, are doing it so unenthusiastically. One of them
almost seems to be watching TV and joins in with the harmony when the
adverts come on. Maybe it's just me, but it's one of those clips that's
fantastic with your eyes closed but loses a lot of the effect when watched.
Jim Carr
> Is it just me, or does it bother anybody else that she hasn't peeled the
> protective plastic off her pickguard?
It's not just you.
Is it just me, or does it bother anybody else that they put protective
plastic over the plastic put in place to protect the wood from getting
scratched?
klaw
i have a couple of basses and guitars with the protective plastic
still on. drive my 4 year daughter nutso that i won't let her peel it
off. :-)
Nil
alt.music.home-studio:
> Yes it was real, very good and sounded great. But they're not
> having fun by any stretch of the imagination. One wonders why two
> girls who are obviously very good at what they do, are doing it so
> unenthusiastically. One of them almost seems to be watching TV and
> joins in with the harmony when the adverts come on. Maybe it's
> just me, but it's one of those clips that's fantastic with your
> eyes closed but loses a lot of the effect when watched.
I disagree. I think they are having fun, but they're concentrating too
hard to devote any energy to putting on a show. Get them on a stage in
front of an audience a few times and I think they will loosen up.
Jim Carr
Here they are doing a live version of "Johnny B. Goode"
http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/6/YRezQTRi014
They show a little more energy here doing "Creeque Alley"
http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/1/i8JzYt0rTCA
Nil
alt.guitar.bass:
> Here they are doing a live version of "Johnny B. Goode"
> http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/6/YRezQTRi014
Can't see them well enough to see how confident they look. Sounds
bland.
> They show a little more energy here doing "Creeque Alley"
> http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/1/i8JzYt0rTCA
This is better. They still have no stage presence, but they are
smiling, engaged, and they sing very well together. I love a good
family vocal harmony group like the Roches or Cowsills. Sometimes they
mesh in the most uncanny way. These girls have a bit of that.
Tim
"Forget the Effects and the Gear"
That's about the only way it was when I began to play bass. Granted My
first bass was an old hollow body Kingston Beetle bass,a nd I didn't
have an amp so I put the headstock up against the bedroom door and
plucked like heck. That was about as acoustic as you could get.
"Forget the Effects and the Gear..."
of course that was in the days before guy's wore earings and girls
didn't get tattoos.
Jim Carr
> On 17 Nov 2009, Jim Carr <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in
> alt.guitar.bass:
>
>> Here they are doing a live version of "Johnny B. Goode"
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/6/YRezQTRi014
>
> Can't see them well enough to see how confident they look. Sounds
> bland.
At least she tapped her foot!
>> They show a little more energy here doing "Creeque Alley"
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/1/i8JzYt0rTCA
>
> This is better. They still have no stage presence, but they are
> smiling, engaged, and they sing very well together. I love a good
> family vocal harmony group like the Roches or Cowsills. Sometimes they
> mesh in the most uncanny way. These girls have a bit of that.
Now I'm starting to wonder why we, myself included, are discussing their
stage presence. When I try to think back on other videos we've posted,
nobody ever really talks about it. We tend to focus on the technical
aspects. How many bassists have we seen just playing something while
standing there?
Do we expect more because they are cute girls? Is it because the camera
is on a tripod, and they don't move around at all? I dunno, but it's
strange to me, at least.
Six String Stu
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good on an axe, Plus I thought I seen the hostage loosen up there at the
end. :)
Mentalguy2k8
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Hostage lol!
I just like to see people enjoying their music. They're talented for sure,
but I'd like to see them get up off the bed or sofa and really "give it some
welly" as we say here in the UK. I'd definitely listen to more, although I
can live without the Beatles :)
Six String Stu
"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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develop their persona, it will be a rewarding experiance for them.
Probably already doing that by now.
Nil
alt.guitar.bass:
> Now I'm starting to wonder why we, myself included, are discussing
> their stage presence.
I wasn't discussing it. I'm saying that I believe they are enjoying
what the're doing, contrary to someone else's opinion. "Stage presence"
only enters into it because it can be a visible clue that they are
relaxed and comfortable.
Jim Carr
Okay. Gotcha. I think they enjoy themselves, too.
Sir Lurksalot
"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
Here's one that's a little more "produced", She's playing lead guitar on
this one. On the second one, she's playing harmonica and guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/3/7K7Q5u4FVLM
http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/3/7K7Q5u4FVLM
Sir Lurksalot
I agree, I think it's just two talented kids having fun and showing off just
a bit. The performances are raw, I don't think there's very much rehearsal
time involved learning the songs, but there's obviously lots of practice
time involved learning to play and sing.Are they great performers? Not
really, but they are two kids who have taken the time to learn to sing and
play music together, and I'm glad someone posted their songs on YouTube to
share with us.
Misifus
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:30:00 -0600, "Six String Stu"
> <hawki...@nccray.net> wrote:
>
>> "Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9CC6A42A...@130.133.1.4...
>>> On 17 Nov 2009, Jim Carr <newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote in
>>> alt.guitar.bass:
>>>
>>>> Here they are doing a live version of "Johnny B. Goode"
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/6/YRezQTRi014
>>> Can't see them well enough to see how confident they look. Sounds
>>> bland.
>>>
>>>> They show a little more energy here doing "Creeque Alley"
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/fiomily#p/u/1/i8JzYt0rTCA
>>> This is better. They still have no stage presence, but they are
>>> smiling, engaged, and they sing very well together. I love a good
>>> family vocal harmony group like the Roches or Cowsills. Sometimes they
>>> mesh in the most uncanny way. These girls have a bit of that.
>> Agreed. And on "Needle and the spoon"
>
Gee, he's teaching them his music. There's not much on that list that's
what kids are listening to today. "Needle and the Spoon" is the first
video I saw where the camera wasn't fixed in one position. I think
that's part of the appeal.
Derek Tearne
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:06:47 -0600, Misifus <rafse...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >JimmyM wrote:
> >> NEEDLE AND THE SPOON??? What the hell is that father teaching them???
> >
> >Gee, he's teaching them his music. There's not much on that list that's
> >what kids are listening to today.
>
> Needle and the Spoon is about heroin. What do little girls know from
> heroin? And why would they be singing a song about it? Next they'll
> be singing "Cop Killer" or "Wrong Way."
As a child I used to watch a television programme called 'The Magic
Roundabout' - I was not alone - an entire generation of british children
watched - and loved - this programme.
There were incredibly surreal moments - and one of the main
protagonists, dylan the dog, was addictied to sugar lumps - and not long
after he consumed them strange things involving bouncing people with
springs up their bottoms and clouds and multicoloured cows....
Anyway, it's pretty clear from the modern standpoint that the writers
had created a drug enhanced psychedelic universe and were selling this -
and the clear understanding of addiction - to a generation of children.
Given all this, I didn't turn out too bad.
No, wait...
--- Derek
--
Derek Tearne - de...@url.co.nz
Vitamin S - improvisation from Aotearoa/New Zealand
http://www.vitamin-s.co.nz/
Mikey
<newsg...@azwebpages.com> wrote:
>Seeing this clip kind of reminded me about the purity of music. It's
>just a couple of girls (age 10 or so) singing "Help" by The Beatles. Two
>voices, a guitar, and the in-camera mic. It makes you remember why you
>got interested in music in the first place.
>
>http://izismile.com/2009/11/12/kidz_i_help_nice_beatles_cover_2_8_mb.html
>http://tinyurl.com/Girls-Sing-Help
...great talent here. I can't believe how many songs they've posted. I
saw this other kid at 13 yrs old that seemed to never have the,
"...deer in the headlites" syndrome. Here he is at 15:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkfdzkp1n2M
...even at an early age, this kid could control an audience.
The BorgMan
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:48:09 +1300, de...@url.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
> wrote:
>
>>JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:06:47 -0600, Misifus <rafse...@att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >JimmyM wrote:
>>
>>> >> NEEDLE AND THE SPOON??? What the hell is that father teaching
>>> >> them???
>>> >
>>> >Gee, he's teaching them his music. There's not much on that list
>>> >that's what kids are listening to today.
>>>
>>> Needle and the Spoon is about heroin. What do little girls know
>>> from heroin? And why would they be singing a song about it? Next
>>> they'll be singing "Cop Killer" or "Wrong Way."
>>
>>As a child I used to watch a television programme called 'The Magic
>>Roundabout' - I was not alone - an entire generation of british
>>children watched - and loved - this programme.
>>
>>There were incredibly surreal moments - and one of the main
>>protagonists, dylan the dog, was addictied to sugar lumps - and not
>>long after he consumed them strange things involving bouncing people
>>with springs up their bottoms and clouds and multicoloured cows....
>>
>>Anyway, it's pretty clear from the modern standpoint that the writers
>>had created a drug enhanced psychedelic universe and were selling this
>>- and the clear understanding of addiction - to a generation of
>>children.
>
> Well hey...Alice in Wonderland, too...total shroomage!
Well, more like laudanum, hashish, and booze. Those were Carroll's
intoxicants of choice.
--
Aaron
Les Cargill
> JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:06:47 -0600, Misifus <rafse...@att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> JimmyM wrote:
>
>>>> NEEDLE AND THE SPOON??? What the hell is that father teaching them???
>>> Gee, he's teaching them his music. There's not much on that list that's
>>> what kids are listening to today.
>> Needle and the Spoon is about heroin. What do little girls know from
>> heroin? And why would they be singing a song about it? Next they'll
>> be singing "Cop Killer" or "Wrong Way."
>
> As a child I used to watch a television programme called 'The Magic
> Roundabout' - I was not alone - an entire generation of british children
> watched - and loved - this programme.
>
> There were incredibly surreal moments - and one of the main
> protagonists, dylan the dog, was addictied to sugar lumps - and not long
> after he consumed them strange things involving bouncing people with
> springs up their bottoms and clouds and multicoloured cows....
>
> Anyway, it's pretty clear from the modern standpoint that the writers
> had created a drug enhanced psychedelic universe and were selling this -
> and the clear understanding of addiction - to a generation of children.
>
Hallucinogens, especially LSD, were thought to be an evolutionary force
early on. People thought they would gain ... wisdom or something.
At least they were sold that way. I still know people who bought that
nonsense, too.
> Given all this, I didn't turn out too bad.
>
> No, wait...
>
> --- Derek
>
--
Les Cargill
Derek Tearne
> JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote in
> news:arh7g5pi3m796fa0c...@4ax.com:
> > Well hey...Alice in Wonderland, too...total shroomage!
>
> Well, more like laudanum, hashish, and booze. Those were Carroll's
> intoxicants of choice.
Of course, in those days, all those things were perfectly legal.
Misifus
The first I ever heard of Lysergic acid diethylamide-25, was that it
represented a new breakthrough in mental health. Phychologists at the
time thought it would give new insights into the workings of schizophrenia.
Les Cargill
Yes. And people were treated for alcoholism with it. I think Gregory
Peck was one.
--
Les Cargill
The BorgMan
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Well, seeing that a number of very intelligent scientists used it, and
claimed it helped them get new insight into problems they were working on
- I wouldn't say it brings wisdom, but it certainly CAN provide a
paradigm breaking "look from a different angle" into a problem that
someone has the background to understand.
>> The first I ever heard of Lysergic acid diethylamide-25, was that it
>> represented a new breakthrough in mental health. Phychologists at
>> the time thought it would give new insights into the workings of
>> schizophrenia.
>>
It's actually recently started to be used for this again.
> Yes. And people were treated for alcoholism with it. I think Gregory
> Peck was one.
It actually showed pretty good success rates in treating alcoholism and
drug addiction (note - this is therapy while under the influence of the
hallucinogen we're talking about, not just general use).
A number of hallucinogens are currently being investigated with regards
to treatment for cluster headaches.
--
Aaron
Nil
> A number of hallucinogens are currently being investigated with
> regards to treatment for cluster headaches.
Really!?! That's very interesting. A friend suffered from cluster
headaches for several years. They were debilitatingly painful and
unpredictable. Like an extremely painful and sharp migraine. He could
feel them about to arrive within 20 minutes, then the first one would
strike and he could do nothing for about 20 minutes, then it would
suddenly subside. The next one would usually come within an hour or so.
There would be a wave of 4 or 5 hours, then the cycle would be done.
The doctors were mostly at a loss. They prescribed several weird and
ineffective treatments. The worst one was when they put him on heavy
dosed of Thorazine, which is usually used to treat psychotics and
schizophrenics. Totally wiped him out and did nothing for the
headaches. It took him 6 months to get weaned off the stuff.
The headaches eventually went away about 15 years ago and have never
returned.
The idea of administering LSD for cluster headaches is fascinating.
Kinda fits in with the use of an anti-psychotic. I wonder what the
motivation is?
Jim Carr
>
> The idea of administering LSD for cluster headaches is fascinating.
> Kinda fits in with the use of an anti-psychotic. I wonder what the
> motivation is?
Interestingly, when it comes to migraines, research still shows that
aspirin, caffeine and Tylenol (Excedrin) works better than most of the
prescriptions on the market. I find it works best for me as well.
If you have migraines, I also recommend a Chillow. Basically, it's a
thin (couple inches) pillow filled with foam. You put water inside it.
The net effect is that it sucks heat from your head. I find it extremely
effective combined with Excedrin and dark, quiet room.
Also, don't waste your money on Excedrin Migraine. It's the same stuff
in the same proportions as regular Excedrin. And the generic,
store-brand stuff works just as well.
The BorgMan
@130.133.1.4:
Some interesting articles:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/lsd-
cured-my-headache-953406.html
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/188064649.html
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html
--
Aaron