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Tim

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Nov 24, 2009, 4:26:36 PM11/24/09
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I've heard of player doing this.Does anyone here mix and match strings
from different manufactures to really get what you want?

It seems that every Mfj. has a set of what they think is best, and
what you get is what you get.

I was talking to a guy that used GHS and Markleys and mixed and
matched guages to get the feel and tone he wanted.

I've thought of it, but have never really tried it.

MegaSwing

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:35:12 PM11/24/09
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There is nothing under the sun that cannot become an obsession.
Sounds time- and cost-prohibitive to me.

I'm not that cool.

Edward G.
Baltimore, MD

Derek Tearne

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Nov 24, 2009, 7:58:09 PM11/24/09
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Tim <tsch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've heard of player doing this.

This is very common in the upright bass world - and other violin family
instruments - people will not only mix manufacturers but types of
strings - gut core on some, steel on others with a mix of metals for the
windings and mix of flat and round windings.

I can't see any particular reason why people wouldn't also do this with
electric bass - it sounds like a time consuming and expensive process of
experimentation to me though.

--- Derek

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Jonathan Chase

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Nov 24, 2009, 8:06:59 PM11/24/09
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If my strings don't match the grain pattern on my bass I throw the whole
thing out and buy a new one.
Another string rule: if they go out of tune more than once it's time to
replace them.
Signed,
Snooty McMoneypants


mlenk64

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:09:33 PM11/24/09
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On Nov 24, 4:26 pm, Tim <tschna...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, I did this recently, but not for a standard set. I needed
strings for an 8-string I had just bought, and found my favorite
string maker did not make an 8-string set. So, after talking to one
of their folks about options, I bought a normal 4-string set and then
singles to use as the octave strings. Due to the string gauges needed
(.100 down to .020) they are from different product lines but work
well together. The bass really sings.
I couldn't see doing it for just a 4 string set though. Most decent
mfr's go to some length to make sure string sets are balanced, it'd
just be defeating the purpose IMO. Some makers will even make you
custom sets, so I really see no point. But that's just me.
mkl

co...@flashback-theband.com

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:48:04 PM11/24/09
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Since you are the ONLY guy who gives a particular shit ( no matter the instrument) what
"YOUR" sound is.....
Most people at a standard band gig (NOT a recital with your professors in attendance to
grade....! ) will notice nothing short of the drummer's throne collapsing sending him
careening off the back of the stage, and trying to save himself by grabbing the power
cables from the guitar players Marshall stack and dragging it off with him...........
It seems a big waste of time/money to me, but then I'm not Snooty McMoneypants!! LOL

timbo

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:36:37 PM11/24/09
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On 2009-11-25, Kloka-mo' <RobXXXZo...@XXXyahooXXX.XXXcom> wrote:
> I used to, but it cost too much money, and took too much time. I've since
> found that mining/smelting and hand winding my own strings is faster and
> cheaper. Plus, I'm not filling landfills with all that annoying packaging.
>
> This is more than common in Upright bass playing (mixing and matching), but
> electric?!?! Really?!?! Poor tormented souls. They probably played
> accordion in a previous life.
>

...and matched different reeds/buttons on the accordions as well...


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Nov 25, 2009, 1:26:42 AM11/25/09
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======================================================================

I always heard that the bigger the strings, the ballsier the sound, so I put
all .120s on my 4 string. I had to replace the truss rod with a piece of
rebar, but it was worth it! :-)


js

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:06:55 AM11/25/09
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It's because they can only afford one string at a time..
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Derek Tearne

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:12:24 AM11/25/09
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js <not...@nothing.com> wrote:

> It's because they can only afford one string at a time..

Well, there is that...

Phil W

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Nov 25, 2009, 3:49:48 AM11/25/09
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Jonathan Chase:

> If my strings don't match the grain pattern on my bass I throw the
> whole thing out and buy a new one.
> Another string rule: if they go out of tune more than once it's
> time to replace them.

and if it happens regularly: consider changing the tuning mechanics on the
headplate...

anyway, I�ve been using some strings for a really long period sometimes and
never had to retune really often, the sound just got duller.
but that�s just my personal experience and definitely *not* a recommendation
to play strings until they break. ;-)


Jonathan Chase

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Nov 25, 2009, 4:57:16 AM11/25/09
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Until they break?! If my fingers get sore I change the strings!


Jose de las Heras

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> Since you are the ONLY guy who gives a particular shit ( no matter the
> instrument) what "YOUR" sound is.....
> Most people at a standard band gig (NOT a recital with your professors in
> attendance to grade....! ) will notice nothing short of the drummer's
> throne collapsing sending him careening off the back of the stage, and
> trying to save himself by grabbing the power cables from the guitar
> players Marshall stack and dragging it off with him...........
> It seems a big waste of time/money to me, but then I'm not Snooty
> McMoneypants!! LOL

re: what people will notice at a gig...
at our last gig in a bar, our guitarist decided to go for a stroll (he has a
wireless) and he went into the restroom whils still playing... only it
turned out to be the women's and he got chased out of there. It was amusing
to watch. Didn't miss a beat, 'though :-)

Jose
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Misifus

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:25:41 PM11/25/09
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In the late seventies, West coast bassist, Joe Osborne, came to
Nashville. There was an article in the paper that he was having a
problem with his bass. It seems he had decided to change the strings.
The problem was that he wanted to put the same strings on that it had
come with.

It seems Fender had given him this guitar when the Jazz basses first
came out (1960), and hadn't changed the strings since. Now, no one at
Fender could tell what strings it had been equipped with. That was the
point of the story.

Apparently, he left the original strings on it until they were literally
frayed and green, not wanting to loose what was now his trademark sound.

While that's an extreme example, perhaps once a decade or so might be
often enough.

-Raf

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Tim

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Nov 25, 2009, 5:01:39 PM11/25/09
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> home:http://www.rafandsioux.com- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I can believe that. Whne he was in Chicago fo the Lakland 10th
aniversary bash, he brought his old J bass with him and had Carl look
it overe. Carl said the frets were wore so bad it was jsut about
fretless. Carl asked him if he wanted it re-fretted or even dressed.
Joe told him "NO! I couldn't play it, then!"

But he has no problem with his new Lakland signature J with the Dark
Stars in it.

Misifus

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Nov 25, 2009, 5:26:49 PM11/25/09
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Ironically, he originally asked for a P-bass, but Fender sent him their
newest and best.

crow

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:18:26 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 24, 4:26 pm, Tim <tschna...@gmail.com> wrote:

I mix & match for my guitars. Not so much for the basses, but I string
them up with flats anyway & I never change 'em...so far... I only do
it because I can't buy a set in the gauges that I like (,010, .013, .
017, .032, .044, .056). The brand doesn't matter as long as it's not
Ernie Ball. Nothing wrong with them but to my ear they are the only
brand name with a unique sound. I guess they don't play well with
others. Every other brand I've used, (Darco, SIT, D'Addario, Dean
Markley, Infeld, Knucklehead, D'Angelico to name a few), sound & feel
pretty much the same. ymmv.

jepp
if it sounds good...IT IS GOOD!

Steve Freides

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Nov 26, 2009, 10:54:16 AM11/26/09
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Tearne wrote:
> Tim <tsch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've heard of player doing this.
>
> This is very common in the upright bass world - and other violin
> family instruments - people will not only mix manufacturers but types
> of strings - gut core on some, steel on others with a mix of metals
> for the windings and mix of flat and round windings.

Yup - I know a violist who uses three brands of strings. Not at all
uncommon, from what I've heard, do use at least two different brands on
an upright bass.

I'm on my second upright, and didn't/haven't changed strings from what
both instruments came with, but I can see why someone would want to do
this. I like the sound of the lower two strings on my bass, am OK with
the D string, and really don't like the top string. One of these days
I'll probably just buy a new G and see what that does - and then I'll be
off down the road of this particular obsession <sigh>

-S-

MegaSwing

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Nov 26, 2009, 11:37:32 AM11/26/09
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On Nov 26, 10:54 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> Tearne wrote:
> > --- Derek- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I think an upright player can justify this practice more credibly than
an electric bassist, especially considering how long most URB players
keep the same strings on.

Edward G.
Baltimore, MD

js

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Nov 26, 2009, 8:14:47 PM11/26/09
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I don't know if I mentioned this before, but I recently found out I'm
allergic to nickel. Had tests and everything. I break out in a nasty rash if
I play too many gigs in a row. So I've got to convert everything to
stainless.

Thins is, there aren't always the same options available in stainless that
there are in nickel.

Also, I've been wanting to try a heavier C string. Those .28-39 gauges sound
and feel rather wimpy to me.

So I picked up an SIT 5 string Power Steel set, and a "just strings" .35 and
.30 single string (in case I don't like the .35)

So, there you go. We'll see.


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js

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Nov 26, 2009, 8:15:06 PM11/26/09
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30 gauge, not 39

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js

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Nov 27, 2009, 1:29:28 AM11/27/09
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That's what I thought too. I had these random scaly patches on my arms that
itched like hell. I thought my wife might have brought home ringworm from
her ragamuffins at school, so I went to a dermatologist to get some
ointment.

They did a bunch of tests, and it came back as Nummular Eczema, which is
often caused by an allergic reaction to nickel:

http://www.skincarephysicians.com/eczemanet/nummular_eczema.html

They also recommend a low nickel diet, but since that's pretty much
everything I eat, I'll try the strings first.


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> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:14:47 -0500, "js" <not...@nothing.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't know if I mentioned this before, but I recently found out I'm
> >allergic to nickel. Had tests and everything. I break out in a nasty rash
if
> >I play too many gigs in a row. So I've got to convert everything to
> >stainless.
> >
> >Thins is, there aren't always the same options available in stainless
that
> >there are in nickel.
> >
> >Also, I've been wanting to try a heavier C string. Those .28-39 gauges
sound
> >and feel rather wimpy to me.
> >
> >So I picked up an SIT 5 string Power Steel set, and a "just strings" .35
and
> >.30 single string (in case I don't like the .35)
> >
> >So, there you go. We'll see.
>

> Holy crap! Really? I have a chronic skin problem my own self. I
> wonder if the nickel affects it negatively. I have it on too many
> parts to be solely because of the nickel, but now I think I need to go
> see an allergist my own self.

Derek Tearne

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Nov 27, 2009, 3:54:01 AM11/27/09
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JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:14:47 -0500, "js" <not...@nothing.com> wrote:
>

> >I don't know if I mentioned this before, but I recently found out I'm
> >allergic to nickel. Had tests and everything.
>

> Holy crap! Really? I have a chronic skin problem my own self. I
> wonder if the nickel affects it negatively. I have it on too many
> parts to be solely because of the nickel, but now I think I need to go
> see an allergist my own self.

Reactions to metals are well documented - and you know all those
girlfriends who told you you had to buy them gold or titanium jewellrey
and you thought they were spinning you a line and you just bought them
any old shit and they stopped returning your calls...

Gold is a very inert metal and almost no one reacts badly to it - and
there are surgical steels that are used for surgical instruments - and
body piercings - that are pretty safe - but some of the cheap jewellry
metals are not so safe.

Easy test. Get an old bass string, wind it into a ring and wear it on
your finger overnight or maybe for a couple of days.

If 'Bad things happen', you need to start changing your strings (oh, and
take the ring off).

Gold wound instrument strings do exist - mostly for classical
instruments - but hey, if it's a choice between pricey strings and icky
sores - I'd buy the gold strings.

Although if you have sores in those private parts - unless you've been
getting mighty friendly with your bass there's maybe another reason...

Les Cargill

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Nov 27, 2009, 11:49:23 AM11/27/09
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JimmyM wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:14:47 -0500, "js" <not...@nothing.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know if I mentioned this before, but I recently found out I'm
>> allergic to nickel. Had tests and everything. I break out in a nasty rash if
>> I play too many gigs in a row. So I've got to convert everything to
>> stainless.
>>
>> Thins is, there aren't always the same options available in stainless that
>> there are in nickel.
>>
>> Also, I've been wanting to try a heavier C string. Those .28-39 gauges sound
>> and feel rather wimpy to me.
>>
>> So I picked up an SIT 5 string Power Steel set, and a "just strings" .35 and
>> .30 single string (in case I don't like the .35)
>>
>> So, there you go. We'll see.
>
> Holy crap! Really? I have a chronic skin problem my own self. I
> wonder if the nickel affects it negatively. I have it on too many
> parts to be solely because of the nickel, but now I think I need to go
> see an allergist my own self.
>

Do you hate seafood? Seafood is often distasteful to people with nickel
allergies.

>> "Tim" <tsch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8db7d1e9-a5d9-4e27...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>>> I've heard of player doing this.Does anyone here mix and match strings
>>> from different manufactures to really get what you want?
>>>
>>> It seems that every Mfj. has a set of what they think is best, and
>>> what you get is what you get.
>>>
>>> I was talking to a guy that used GHS and Markleys and mixed and
>>> matched guages to get the feel and tone he wanted.
>>>
>>> I've thought of it, but have never really tried it.
>

--
Les Cargill

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Les Cargill

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Nov 27, 2009, 10:28:01 PM11/27/09
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JimmyM wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:49:23 -0500, Les Cargill
> <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> JimmyM wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:14:47 -0500, "js" <not...@nothing.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know if I mentioned this before, but I recently found out I'm
>>>> allergic to nickel. Had tests and everything. I break out in a nasty rash if
>>>> I play too many gigs in a row. So I've got to convert everything to
>>>> stainless.
>>>>
>>>> Thins is, there aren't always the same options available in stainless that
>>>> there are in nickel.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I've been wanting to try a heavier C string. Those .28-39 gauges sound
>>>> and feel rather wimpy to me.
>>>>
>>>> So I picked up an SIT 5 string Power Steel set, and a "just strings" .35 and
>>>> .30 single string (in case I don't like the .35)
>>>>
>>>> So, there you go. We'll see.
>>> Holy crap! Really? I have a chronic skin problem my own self. I
>>> wonder if the nickel affects it negatively. I have it on too many
>>> parts to be solely because of the nickel, but now I think I need to go
>>> see an allergist my own self.
>>>
>> Do you hate seafood? Seafood is often distasteful to people with nickel
>> allergies.
>
> I like fish and most shellfish except lobster and oysters. Dang, I've
> kind of suspected this, but I hate steels so I poked my head in the
> sand about it. Maybe I better try to get used to those nylon
> tapewounds again. ARRRRRGH!
>


Well... steel ain't that bad. It's gotta be better than tapewounds :)

But go get the test done.

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Derek Tearne

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JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:

> Everything
> I've read about it tonight says you would develop rashes where you
> touch it, but I never get rashes on my fingers where they touch.

Are the rashes near knees or elbows, or calves and forearms?

Those are where I typically get food allergy related rashes.

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Derek Tearne

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JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:26:20 -0500, JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:18:11 +1300, de...@url.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
> >wrote:


> >
> >>JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Everything
> >>> I've read about it tonight says you would develop rashes where you
> >>> touch it, but I never get rashes on my fingers where they touch.
> >>
> >>Are the rashes near knees or elbows, or calves and forearms?
> >>
> >>Those are where I typically get food allergy related rashes.
> >

> >Yes to all.
>
> Sorry...I hit send before I was finished...
>
> Yes to all, but not limited to just there.

I am allergic to peanuts and various other things. The places I listed
are where my rashes first appear - which these days is usually if a
manufacturer changes the recipe of some product to include a different
mix of vegetable oils - they are also the places where the last rashes
go once I identify (and stop eating) the latest bad food.

As a child - and unable to properly monitor my food intake (school
dinners etc.) - my legs and arms were pretty much scabs and there were
rashes in plenty of other places - and inside the elbows and knees were
the worst.

If it is a food allergy and you try cutting out foods you need to stick
to each 'diet' for a couple of weeks as it can take a while for residual
allergens to flush out of your body. Or take the quick route and get
allergy tested - the common and most likely culprits can be identified
by a set of skin tests - the cheaper alternative involves weeks of
cutting out your favourite foods one by one.

Mike Fleming

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In article <1j9v0gz.1u4zhff1sh4qzwN%de...@url.co.nz>, de...@url.co.nz
(Derek Tearne) writes:

> Reactions to metals are well documented - and you know all those
> girlfriends who told you you had to buy them gold or titanium jewellrey
> and you thought they were spinning you a line and you just bought them
> any old shit and they stopped returning your calls...

My wife is allergic to gold, so our wedding rings are silver.

I'm not allergic to much - however, after my wife had a tattoo done,
it turned out I was allergic to the hypoallergenic baby ointment she
used on it to keep the skin soft.

--
Mike Fleming

The BorgMan

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de...@url.co.nz (Derek Tearne) wrote in news:1j9wyqp.3wkkkjwftu80N%
de...@url.co.nz:

> JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>
>> Everything
>> I've read about it tonight says you would develop rashes where you
>> touch it, but I never get rashes on my fingers where they touch.
>
> Are the rashes near knees or elbows, or calves and forearms?

Those are the most common areas for outbreaks of psoriasis/eczema.

...and as both psoriasis and exczema are immune disorders, anything that
causes an allergic reaction/irritation can trigger it. It varies
drastically from person to person as to what can cause flare ups.

--
Aaron

Misifus

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Nov 30, 2009, 7:39:59 PM11/30/09
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Mike Fleming wrote:
> In article <1j9v0gz.1u4zhff1sh4qzwN%de...@url.co.nz>, de...@url.co.nz
> (Derek Tearne) writes:
>
>> Reactions to metals are well documented - and you know all those
>> girlfriends who told you you had to buy them gold or titanium jewellrey
>> and you thought they were spinning you a line and you just bought them
>> any old shit and they stopped returning your calls...
>
> My wife is allergic to gold, so our wedding rings are silver.
>

Unusual, gold is pretty inactive. On the other hand, after about five
years, I suddenly developed an allergy to my white gold twenty-fifth
anniversary ring. I don't know if it's the gold itself (unlikely, my
wedding ring is fine) or the metals it's alloyed with.

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