Dealing with half a drummer
JoeSpareBedroom
his bass drum foot. At that point, he twisted something in the same ankle
which put him out of action until earlier this week, when he struggled to
get to practice and played quite well. We have a gig tonight (Saturday). He
called this morning to say he shouldn't have come to practice because his
ankle was more painful than before. Luckily, we're able to use the sub who
played with us two weeks ago when the injury first occurred.
No big deal so far. But our drummer has yet to go to an orthopedist, and
keeps making comments like "I should be better for next week's gig, and
certainly for the two at the end of the month." But he's not a doctor, and
he's been making these ouija board predictions since he first hurt himself.
We're only willing to use 2-3 of the best subs in this town, and they're in
high demand. So, last minute scheduling is out of the question. Do we read
the drummer the riot act and tell him to get with the right kind of doctor,
or find another band? Any other approach feels like an extreme gamble. There
are several other drummers willing to play with us, but they're pretty
clumsy, and some are too loud for the places we play. A threat to our
business model, in other words.
DGDevin
"JoeSpareBedroom" <news...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> We're only willing to use 2-3 of the best subs in this town, and they're
> in high demand. So, last minute scheduling is out of the question. Do we
> read the drummer the riot act and tell him to get with the right kind of
> doctor, or find another band? Any other approach feels like an extreme
> gamble. There are several other drummers willing to play with us, but
> they're pretty clumsy, and some are too loud for the places we play. A
> threat to our business model, in other words.
IMO you have no choice, his reluctance to seek treatment is going to hurt
the band. Get everyone together and make it clear you want him to continue
as the band's drummer but the current uncertainty is not tenable, he has to
see a doctor.
Les Cargill
> guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
> get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
> on this guy.
It's not purely horrible eating or alcoholism. It's also
possibly a metabolic disorder, renal problems or diabetes.
If he won't see a doctor, it's not gonna get any better.
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Les Cargill
DGDevin
"JimmyM" <m...@nnn.com> wrote in message
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> gout is caused by horrible eating habits and/or alcoholism. you think
> guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
> get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
> on this guy.
I know someone who has suffered from gout who isn't a drinker and doesn't
have an unhealthy diet, so I looked it up and only 12% of cases of gout are
dietary in origin. In this case the drummer's inability to play seemed to
occur only after he injured his ankle, so seeing a doctor about that makes
sense, at least to me.
Misifus
>
> gout is caused by horrible eating habits and/or alcoholism. you think
> guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
> get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
> on this guy.
Where'd you get your medical degree? Both my wife and I have suffered
from gout. She doesn't drink at all and I am a million miles from an
alcoholic, nor are our eating habits that bad.
One doctor told us that any foods containing organ meats, which have the
cell nuclei close together, is a possible trigger. So, no more chicken
livers, but that's not "horrible eating habits". My wife fixes most of
our meals from scratch, very little prepared food.
I took your rude insult personally. You're making a judgment based on
nothing more than your ignorance.
-Raf
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Derek Tearne
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:09:19 -0800, "DGDevin" <dgd...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> >IMO you have no choice, his reluctance to seek treatment is going to hurt
> >the band. Get everyone together and make it clear you want him to continue
> >as the band's drummer but the current uncertainty is not tenable, he has to
> >see a doctor.
>
> gout is caused by horrible eating habits and/or alcoholism. you think
> guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
> get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
> on this guy.
Gout *can* be caused by diet and/or alcohol (without the ism) - however
a lot of otherwise normal healthy doctor visiting folks do eat a lot of
red meat without considering that to be a horrible eating habit.
For example, fossil Tyrannosaur skeletons have been found with evidence
of gout - I think we can safely assume that there weren't any alcoholic
T-Rexes running about in the cretaceous - at least that's an image I'd
rather not think about - and their diet was what it was for better or
worse - it's not like they were bingeing on cakes and junk food.
You're probably right that T.rex wasn't one to go to the doctor on a
regular basis, and that attempting to force an ultimatum on such a guy
(actually girl in this case[1]) is unlikely to succeed.
Gout also runs in families - disturbingly mine appears to be such a
family. My father had gout and my brother, who drinks less than I do
and tends to visit the doctor more than I do, (usually anyway, I think I
might be in the lead right at the moment) has just had a bought of gout.
Anyway, the issue with the drummer is more to do with whether his
current problems are due to the gout or a sprain or broken ankle or all
three. If it's gout he'll just have to play through it, if it's a
sprain a few days will sort it out - if it's an undiagnosed break then
it will get worse.
--- Derek
[1] the paper in question identified gout lesions on the Tyrannosaur
skeleton named 'Sue'.
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JoeSpareBedroom
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My drummer MAY be the poster boy for why we need health reform in this
country. He might not have health insurance, and that could be why he hasn't
seen a specialist yet. This isn't unusual in the music community around
here. Here's a guy who couldn't afford even the most basic medical screening
procedures. Diagnosed with colon cancer, gone a month or so later.
http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/music/blog/2009/02/OBIT-Bassist-Ralph-Ortiz/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtlDIfa1ang
Benj
wrote:
> We're only willing to use 2-3 of the best subs in this town, and they're in
> high demand. So, last minute scheduling is out of the question. Do we read
> the drummer the riot act and tell him to get with the right kind of doctor,
> or find another band? Any other approach feels like an extreme gamble. There
> are several other drummers willing to play with us, but they're pretty
> clumsy, and some are too loud for the places we play. A threat to our
> business model, in other words.
No question, Joe Spare. If the drummer is a threat to your Business
Model and he's defective, you are left with no choice but to send him
to Eugenics Processing Center. I know the Soilent Green thing is
rather extreme but some others achieved some remarkably good results
with Jews, gays, and gypsies back in the forties. But before you send
him for reprocessing, let him know that as a liberal run band, you
have the authority to dictate exactly which doctors he is permitted to
see, and exactly what kind of treatment he is permitted to have. If he
complains refer him to the recent "health care" vote in the Senate as
the basis for your authority to do this.
JoeSpareBedroom
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Very funny, but when a person says they thought orthopedists only dealt with
broken bones, it's 100% appropriate to drop a hint on their head.
By the way, I'm curious about something: You seem to think I'm a liberal.
Where did you get that idea?
Benj
> >One doctor told us that any foods containing organ meats, which have the
> >cell nuclei close together, is a possible trigger. So, no more chicken
> >livers, but that's not "horrible eating habits". My wife fixes most of
> >our meals from scratch, very little prepared food.
>
> actually, i would call eating organ meats regularly pretty unhealthy.
> not that i have any room to talk. i certainly am not the picture of
> health by any means. but a lot of people don't realize they have
> unhealthy diets.
Well, "unhealthy" or "horrible eating habits" is relative. Let's just
recognize that everybody is different. There are some people who
smoke, drink and consume all manner of nasty stuff with no effect. And
then there are others who just go where a peanut has BEEN and they
about die. So it's all about the person. But that said, the
relationship between gout and meats of various kinds was well
established in WWII. It seems that in England during the war meat was
virtually impossible to obtain and oddly, gout virtually disappeared
in the entire country for the period. So while the exact link wasn't
discovered, that SOME kind of link existed was clear.
JoeSpareBedroom
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:41:40 -0600, Misifus <rafse...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
>>JimmyM wrote:
>>>
>>> gout is caused by horrible eating habits and/or alcoholism. you think
>>> guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
>>> get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
>>> on this guy.
>>
>>
>>Where'd you get your medical degree? Both my wife and I have suffered
>>from gout. She doesn't drink at all and I am a million miles from an
>>alcoholic, nor are our eating habits that bad.
>
>
>>One doctor told us that any foods containing organ meats, which have the
>>cell nuclei close together, is a possible trigger. So, no more chicken
>>livers, but that's not "horrible eating habits". My wife fixes most of
>>our meals from scratch, very little prepared food.
>
> not that i have any room to talk. i certainly am not the picture of
> health by any means. but a lot of people don't realize they have
> unhealthy diets.
>
>>nothing more than your ignorance.
>
> healthy diet, doesn't drink or smoke, and exercises regularly have the
> gout. i will give you that not everyone who develops gout was begging
> for it, but it sure seems like it happens most in people with
> unhealthy lifestyles. and according to wikipedia it is often brought
> on by many other diseases that are caused by unhealthy lifestyles.
Further info as of two minutes ago: The drummer confessed to having eaten
enormous amounts of shrimp at a Christmas party, along with unusually large
amounts of beer (compared to his usual once-in-a-while beer).
Guess what that does to a gout sufferer. He's had gout for 20 years. He knew
better, but not on shrimp day. He's seeing an orthopedist tomorrow.
Toby Gray
> A threat to our business model, in other words.<
You answered your own question. He's a liability. Replace him or be
prepared to pay to get him well. It's the Corporate way...
T.
Les Cargill
> JimmyM <m...@nnn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:09:19 -0800, "DGDevin" <dgd...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>
>>> IMO you have no choice, his reluctance to seek treatment is going to hurt
>>> the band. Get everyone together and make it clear you want him to continue
>>> as the band's drummer but the current uncertainty is not tenable, he has to
>>> see a doctor.
>> gout is caused by horrible eating habits and/or alcoholism. you think
>> guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
>> get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
>> on this guy.
>
> Gout *can* be caused by diet and/or alcohol (without the ism) - however
> a lot of otherwise normal healthy doctor visiting folks do eat a lot of
> red meat without considering that to be a horrible eating habit.
>
> For example, fossil Tyrannosaur skeletons have been found with evidence
> of gout - I think we can safely assume that there weren't any alcoholic
> T-Rexes running about in the cretaceous - at least that's an image I'd
> rather not think about - and their diet was what it was for better or
> worse - it's not like they were bingeing on cakes and junk food.
>
Well, Marc Bolan died indirectly from alcohol abuse, so ... neener
neener neener.
(Bang a Gong is the single most immortal and immune to
overplay song ever. Word.)
:)
> You're probably right that T.rex wasn't one to go to the doctor on a
> regular basis, and that attempting to force an ultimatum on such a guy
> (actually girl in this case[1]) is unlikely to succeed.
>
> Gout also runs in families - disturbingly mine appears to be such a
> family. My father had gout and my brother, who drinks less than I do
> and tends to visit the doctor more than I do, (usually anyway, I think I
> might be in the lead right at the moment) has just had a bought of gout.
>
At least it isn't rickets, or beri-beri.
> Anyway, the issue with the drummer is more to do with whether his
> current problems are due to the gout or a sprain or broken ankle or all
> three. If it's gout he'll just have to play through it, if it's a
> sprain a few days will sort it out - if it's an undiagnosed break then
> it will get worse.
>
> --- Derek
>
> [1] the paper in question identified gout lesions on the Tyrannosaur
> skeleton named 'Sue'.
>
>
>
>
Heh. MY NAME IS SUE. HOW DO YOU DO!
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Les Cargill
Les Cargill
The community whence I moved from has lost a dozen such cases ( not
necessarily colon cancer, but musicians in their 50s ) over the last few
years.
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Les Cargill
RichL
Benj thinks EVERYONE is a liberal. It's part of the schtick.
JoeSpareBedroom
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CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
- Devil's Dictionary, by Ambrose Bierce, 1911.
Tim
For the most part I agree. He needs to get his ankle looked at ASAP if
anything else for his own good. But yes, your band can't play on
excuses, so ...
You hate to can a good memeber of the band, but weighing out the
options, if he won't take measures to get his ankle taken care of, you
might need to look for a permanent replacement.
Benj
> > By the way, I'm curious about something: You seem to think I'm a
> > liberal. Where did you get that idea?
>
> Benj thinks EVERYONE is a liberal. It's part of the schtick.
Well, yeah, but also I've actually been to Rochester and I reserve a
special place in my heart for the Kalifornia of the East. Let's all
hug and sit on the floor chanting AUM... By the way, I really sort of
like the place. Has a nice vibe about it!
Of course being from Cleveland originally I have NO room to talk about
anyone else. Cleveland's motto: "Well, Ya gotta live somewhere!" :)
JoeSpareBedroom
> gets better. i mean, i know the guy brought his gout on by diet and
> alcohol, but damn, you fuckers are cold!
The whole situation's made more difficult by the fact that our drummer's
left handed, so that narrows the universe of available subs. We'd really
rather not have to transpose all our songs if we don't have to.
Derek Tearne
> The whole situation's made more difficult by the fact that our drummer's
> left handed, so that narrows the universe of available subs. We'd really
> rather not have to transpose all our songs if we don't have to.
That's really easy to fix, you just have to put a mirror on the guys
drum stool.
--- Derek
haligonab
>On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:09:19 -0800, "DGDevin" <dgd...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>
>gout is caused by horrible eating habits and/or alcoholism. you think
>guys like that care about going to the doctor? all they have to do to
>get rid of it is clean up their act. good luck forcing an ultimatum
>on this guy.
So anyone with gout is a glutton and an alcoholic??? Diet and alcohol
consumption MAY be factors, but making such a statement is
irresponsible. http://www.gout.com/index.aspx