Re: U.S. HADITHA MASSACRE UPDATE + U.S. FILTH IN THE BRIG AT CAMP PENDLETON
Tony Hwang
> ThroatShivvinU wrote:
>
>> ...wait until the Haditha garbage is revealed...
>
>
> By ERIC SCHMITT and DAVID S. CLOUD
> Published: July 8, 2006
>
> WASHINGTON, July 7 — The second-ranking American commander in Iraq has
> concluded that some senior Marine officers were negligent in failing to
> investigate more aggressively the killings of 24 Iraqi civilians by
> marines in Haditha last November, two Defense Department officials said
> Friday.
>
> The officer, Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, concluded that in the deaths,
> including those of 10 women and children and an elderly man in a
> wheelchair, senior officers failed to follow up on inaccuracies and
> inconsistencies in the initial reporting of the incident that should
> have raised questions.
>
> General Chiarelli faulted the senior staff of the Second Marine
> Division, commanded at the time by Maj. Gen. Richard A. Huck, and the
> Second Regimental Combat Team, then headed by Col. Stephen W. Davis, and
> recommended unspecified disciplinary action for some officers, said the
> two defense officials, who have been briefed on General Chiarelli's
> findings. They said they would discuss the report, after being promised
> anonymity, because it showed that the military takes these incidents
> seriously and fully investigates them.
>
> "He concludes that some officers were derelict in their duties," said
> one of the officials, who declined to identify which or how many
> officers were singled out.
>
> If Marine commanders are found to have been negligent in pursuing the
> matter, the punishments could range from a relatively mild admonishment
> to a court martial that potentially could end their military careers.
>
> It was not clear Friday whether General Huck or Colonel Davis, or Maj.
> Gen. Stephen T. Johnson, the senior marine officer in Iraq at the time,
> would be personally implicated. But if they were to be disciplined, they
> would be among the most senior American officers punished since the Iraq
> war started in early 2003.
>
> An officer who served in Iraq with the Second Marine Division at the
> time of the killings in Haditha noted that a spate of recent cases in
> which American troops were being investigated for killing unarmed Iraqi
> civilians — including the rape and murder of a young Iraqi woman and the
> killing of her family in Mahmudiya — had raised concerns that commanders
> may be under pressure to make an example of Marine officers in the
> Haditha incident.
>
> "We're all waiting anxiously to see how this one gets taken on," said
> the officer, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to
> talk about the unit or any part of the investigation. "Major General
> Huck is about as thorough and detailed a guy as you are ever going to see."
>
> In a brief statement issued from Iraq on Friday, General Chiarelli's
> headquarters said he had finished reviewing a lengthy investigation by
> Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell of the Army into the actions or absence of
> actions by Marine leaders in Haditha, as well as the training that
> marines had received and the command climate their superiors had fostered.
>
> But the statement gave no details of General Chiarelli's findings or
> recommendations, which will now be sent to his boss, Gen. George W.
> Casey Jr., the top commander in Iraq. A senior Pentagon official said it
> could be several days before Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
> receives a complete briefing on the matter, and before a redacted
> version of General Chiarelli's findings are made public.
>
> In addition to General Chiarelli's review, a separate inquiry by the
> Naval Criminal Investigative Service is examining whether crimes were
> committed when a squad of marines killed the 24 Iraqi civilians after a
> roadside bomb killed a member of the Third Platoon of Company K, Third
> Battalion, First Marine Regiment, in the early morning of Nov. 19.
>
> In April, when the Third Battalion returned to Camp Pendleton, Calif.,
> from Iraq, the battalion and company commanders were relieved of their
> commands for what their commander said was "a lack of confidence in
> their leadership."
>
> According to one of the defense officials, General Chiarelli embraced
> all of General Bargewell's findings and expanded upon some of them. In
> one instance of a missed opportunity to investigate further, the
> official said, General Bargewell noted that the comptroller of the
> Second Marine Division, who was responsible for making condolence
> payments to families of the Iraqis killed, told the unit's staff judge
> advocate that additional investigation was needed. That review never
> happened, and the Marines paid a total of $38,000 to families of 15 of
> the civilians killed.
>
> Since the military inquiries into the Haditha killings began, the
> accounts given by some marines involved and their lawyers have
> conflicted in important details with descriptions of what investigators
> have found, officials familiar with their findings have said.
>
> After the roadside bomb went off, marines who survived the explosion
> said they believed they were under sustained attack and that they were
> entitled under their rules of engagement to use lethal force as they
> searched surrounding houses for those who they believed were responsible
> for the bombing.
>
> But investigators and townspeople told reporters that the marines
> overreacted to a fatal roadside bombing and shot the civilians, only one
> of whom was armed, in cold blood. The 24 Iraqis killed included five men
> in a taxi and 19 other civilians in several houses, which marines and
> their lawyers say they cleared using grenades and blind fire.
>
> But investigators have also concluded that most of the victims in three
> houses died from well-aimed rifle shots, not shrapnel or random fire,
> according to military officials familiar with the initial findings. The
> houses where the killings took place show no evidence of the violent
> room-clearing assault described by the marines and their lawyers, the
> officials said.
>
> General Bargewell was assigned by General Chiarelli to look at how
> commanders responded to the incident, including whether there was any
> attempt at covering up what happened or whether discrepancies in
> accounts of the incident should have been investigated.
>
> Marine commanders in Iraq have said that they became aware within two
> days of the killings that civilians had died from gunfire, not from the
> bomb explosion. They told investigators that they did not view the
> discrepancies in accounts of what happened as unusual in the aftermath
> of combat and that they had no reason to think at the time that any
> civilians had been killed deliberately.
>
Hmmm,
Spin doctors at work again. Can't tell the truth with straight face.
The more dragging it on, the worse it looks. At least those guys who
did it, what is different between them and terrorists?
DGDevin
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> Hmmm,
> Spin doctors at work again. Can't tell the truth with straight face.
> The more dragging it on, the worse it looks. At least those guys who
> did it, what is different between them and terrorists?
The terrorists don't prosecute their troops for murdering civilians, that's
the difference, one even you should have been able to figure out.
War is an acid test, it drives some men to do things they otherwise would
not, it exposes the flaws in people's characters, like the man said, it is
hell. My view is the invasion of Iraq was a huge blunder, but that doesn't
mean the coalition is on the same moral plane as the savages who are bombing
mosques and weddings and assassinating anyone who is trying to restore order
to the county and doing everything in their power to bring about a civil
war. One side in this conflict wants the violence to stop, the other wants
it to continue and escalate, if you really can't tell the difference. . . .
Tony Hwang
What a big difference, Eh?!
BTW, have you been to war? If you have, what was your MOS?
MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555
He never sdo much as a wore the uniform of any service Tony-
You might tell him one of your VN patrol stories, it'll gove
this phuctarded chickenhawk a hardon :-) mvm
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He's never so much as a worn the uniform of any service Tony-
You might tell him one of your VN patrol stories, it'll give
this phuctarded chickenhawk a hardon :-) mvm
MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555
He's never so much as worn the uniform of any service Tony-
You might tell him one of your VN patrol stories, it'll give
this phuctarded chickenhawk a hardon :-) mvm
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By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 8, 2006; 6:10 PM
The U.S. military officer overseeing the investigation into 24 civilian
killings in Haditha, Iraq, has concluded that Marine leadership failed
multiple times, including in pre-deployment training, in the tone set by
commanders, and in how information was reported up the chain of command,
defense officials said.
Army Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the No. 2 officer in Iraq, found that
commanders and staff at the regimental and division levels were
negligent in how they conveyed orders about how to deal with Iraqi
civilians and also in how they responded to conflicting reports they
received from units about the Haditha incident, the officials said.
Most of Chiarelli's "Findings and Recommendations" endorse the
conclusions of an investigation led by Army Maj. Gen. Eldon A.
Bargewell, the officials said. Bargewell concluded that Marine
commanders should have asked more questions about how and why 15 Iraqi
civilians -- the number first reported -- were killed, especially after
a discrepancy emerged between the first report, that they had been
killed by a roadside bomb, and a later report, that they all had died of
gunshot wounds. Chiarelli told colleagues that he was stunned to learn
that no investigation of the incident had been conducted even after it
was evident that the facts of the matter were in dispute, an official said.
Bargewell's report also criticizes the Marine Corps for letting stand a
statement, released in November by one of its public affairs officers,
that the Iraqis had been killed by a roadside bomb, instead of
correcting the record when it was clear the statement was incorrect.
Chiarelli long has been concerned that the U.S. military was
inadequately prepared to conduct an effective counterinsurgency campaign
in Iraq. He also included thoughts about how better to prepare troops
and commanders, the official added.
"You've got to prepare for the fight you're in today," said a second
defense official, summarizing Chiarelli's findings on the military's
inadequate training for counterinsurgency operations. "It's totally
different" than fighting in Iraq two or three years ago, he said.
The Army, for example, tends in its training to emphasize using heavy
firepower against the enemy, although classic counterinsurgency doctrine
teaches that soldiers should use the minimal amount of force necessary
to accomplish the mission.
Also, the Army early in Iraq tended to focus on killing or capturing
insurgents, although counterinsurgency doctrine teaches that the best
way to deal with an insurgent is to persuade him to change sides or to
desert. Also, in contrast to a spate of cases of the abuse of detainees,
counterinsurgency theorists recommend treating captured fighters well,
to encourage them to desert and to persuade others to give themselves
up. Above all, people are seen as the prize in the war, not as its
playing field.
When stacked up, Bargewell's exhaustive investigation stands more than
four feet high. His report will not be released, but, later this week,
Chiarelli is expected to release a redacted version of his 30-page
report. On Friday, Chiarelli gave his report to Army Gen. George W.
Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, but Casey is not expected to
ask for major changes, an official said.
The two generals' inquiry into the role of the Marine Corps chain of
command in the incident is different from a criminal investigation being
conducted by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS). That
investigation involves more than 45 agents and is expected to conclude
this summer, Pentagon officials have said.
No charges have been filed, but people familiar with the case say they
expect charges of homicide, making a false statement and dereliction of
duty, among others. Defense attorneys are expected to respond that the
Marines involved were operating within the rules of engagement they had
been given.
Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, a squad leader who was at Haditha, told
his attorney last month that several civilians were killed last November
when his squad went after insurgents who were firing at them from inside
a house after a Marine convoy was hit by a roadside bomb. Wuterich said
there was no vengeful massacre, even though women and children were
killed. He instead described a house-to-house hunt that went awry on a
chaotic battlefield.
"It will forever be his position that everything they did that day was
following their rules of engagement and to protect the lives of
Marines," Neal A. Puckett, who represents Wuterich, said then.
NCIS is investigating members of Kilo Company of the 3rd Battalion of
the 1st Marine Regiment, based at Camp Pendleton, Calif. While in Iraq,
the battalion was attached to the 2nd Marine Division based at Camp
Lejeune, N.C. Chiarelli blames Gen. Richard A. Huck, who then commanded
that division, for leadership failure, the official said. Huck recently
retired from the Marines and could not be reached for comment yesterday.
The Bargewell investigation began in January after a Time magazine
reporter began asking questions about the Haditha incident. Time's
report appeared in March. A few weeks later, Lt. Col. Jeffrey R.
Chessani, was relieved of command of the 3rd Battalion of the 1st
Marines, Kilo Company's parent unit. Two subordinates also were removed.
The Marines did not specify why the actions were taken, beyond saying
that the officers had lost their superiors' confidence.
But Haditha did not become a major issue until May, when Rep. John P.
Murtha (D-Pa.), who has turned sharply against the Iraq war, said at a
news conference that Marines had "killed innocent civilians in cold
blood." Murtha is a former Marine and had been briefed by a senior
Marine officer on the probe.
Spokesmen for the Marine Corps and for the Central Command, which
oversees U.S. military operations in Iraq and the rest of the Middle
East, declined to comment. Some of the details of Chiarelli's findings
were reported Friday night by CBS News and the New York Times.
DGDevin
> Hi,
> What a big difference, Eh?!
Yes, a huge difference, one side wants stability restored so they can go
home, the other wants the bloodshed to escalate so they can profit from a
civil war, are you seriously saying there is no difference?
> BTW, have you been to war? If you have, what was your MOS?
There wasn't a war going on when I was in uniform, at least one the nation
wanted to participate in. If *you* served in combat, do the immoral and/or
illegal acts of some of the people who wore the same uniform as you make you
a terrorist as well? Do the acts of a handful of soldiers out of hundreds
of thousands mean the whole army is the same as the terrorists who blow up
weddings? If a cop shoots someone without cause does that mean the whole
police dept. is a bunch of murderers? Grow up Tony, it's a stinking lousy
war and in any war some guys will either crack or they were bent to start
with, but that doesn't mean the whole army is no different that the scumbags
who are happily blowing up as many people as they can as a matter of
deliberate policy.
Tony Hwang
Wonder if he can stomach things like this;
Hold a baby upside down and split the legs apart to see who can do it
faster betting money while guys standing around watching. Cut open a
pregnant woman and take the fetus out, hang it to dry. It's called
smoked baby. The mother is left to bleed to dead. Slice a guy's throat
and let him bleed to dead slowly turning pale and making gurggling
sound. Split open enemy soldier and take the liver out and cook it to
eat. War brings the best and worst of human at the same time.
Real test for individual character.
Tony Hwang
Just let me say, war is mad/crazy thing. There are terrorist who is good
human too. Like good husband, good father to his own kids. What drove
them do things what he does? Ideology is deadly stuff.
Since WW II, super powers have to share most of the blame on what world
has to deal with now. Time to dig into history, Eh? General media,
TV/newspapers does not reveal even 1/100 of truth for various reasons
you may know already. And they're getting worse.
For a starter, how about reading a book written by Philip Short " Pol Pot"
or one by Lt. Col. Roy Appleman, Aus.(Ret), "Disaster in Korea" Total
about 1000 pages. Hope you have a good vision. Fonts are little too small.
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> DGDevin wrote:
> There wasn't a war going on when I was in uniform, at least one the nation
> wanted to participate in.
The Cub Scouts are under age. Give the neocons more time and that too
would change ;-).
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Devin will print that out and cum all over it many times.
Let's watch him fantasize an MOS now.
mvm
USN '81-88
Designator 1315
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As usual, A+
DGDevin
> Hi,
> Just let me say, war is mad/crazy thing. There are terrorist who is good
> human too. Like good husband, good father to his own kids. What drove them
> do things what he does? Ideology is deadly stuff.
> Since WW II, super powers have to share most of the blame on what world
> has to deal with now.
The superpowers didn't motivate much of the Islamic world to believe men
need to murder female relatives who "dishonor" the family by being raped,
that kind of love-affair with death is part of what is driving the horror in
the middle-east today. Lots of people around the world have endured
horrific situations, yet managed not to descend to strapping explosives to
their children and sending them out to blow up other children. As you say,
ideology, in this case one that wants to return hundreds of millions of
people to the middle-ages.
> Time to dig into history, Eh?
You obviously haven't seen our library.
DGDevin
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>
> The Cub Scouts are under age.
Sure, and I live in a trailer on Long Island too, as a detective you're
about as "accomplished" as you are a musician.
Tony Hwang
Seen? How about read?
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You might fiddle around with
BMaj.9--AMaj.9--Gbm7---Dbm11
It'll give your self-abused pisser a break ;-)
DGDevin
> It'll give your self-abused pisser a break ;-)
You sure are fascinated with other guy's schlongs Marc. Gotta make us
wonder. . . .
west
He's just a gay man trapped in a straight man's body.
Rick N. Backer
<I_get_o...@aga.org> did courageously avow:
Give up your obsession marc
--
Ken Wilson
MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555
Fascinated?
You post in a way that makes slugs and other invertebrates look like
Nobel Prize winners yet there's nothing wrong with you that couldn't be
cured with a size 11 up the ass and a baseball bat.
How's that MOS coming along? ;-). The only uniform you ever wore
was a paper cap in burger flippin' hole, McJerkoff.
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You're just an asshole trapped in a fat ass.
MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555
That'll be $10MM -in U.S. currency- just to cease
bitchslapping you. Now as obsessions go, how's
your's with the density of excrement in solution?
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> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:32:17 GMT, "DGDevin" <dgd...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>"Tony Hwang" <drag...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:ai1sg.138296$Mn5.86544@pd7tw3no...
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Just let me say, war is mad/crazy thing. There are terrorist who is good
>>>human too. Like good husband, good father to his own kids. What drove them
>>>do things what he does? Ideology is deadly stuff.
>>>Since WW II, super powers have to share most of the blame on what world
>>>has to deal with now.
>>
>>The superpowers didn't motivate much of the Islamic world to believe men
>>need to murder female relatives who "dishonor" the family by being raped,
>>that kind of love-affair with death is part of what is driving the horror in
>>the middle-east today.
>
>
> kind of killings are a matter for police and the courts, not a war.
>
>
>>Lots of people around the world have endured
>>horrific situations, yet managed not to descend to strapping explosives to
>>their children and sending them out to blow up other children.
>
>
> "strapping explosives to their children". There is a generation of Muslim
> youth that has so little future that this act is the best thing they can
> think of to do...
>
>
>>As you say,
>>ideology, in this case one that wants to return hundreds of millions of
>>people to the middle-ages.
>
>
> 9/11 by Bin Laden's group were not perpetrated to advance fundamentalist
> beliefs in the USA. His demands were simple and not crazy -- ie, US
> withdraw forces from Saudi Arabia, and US stop supporting Israel's
> oppression of Palestinians.
A. You'd get a + for brevity too, but you're attempting honest dialogue
with one of AGA's dishonidiots.
DGDevin
>> You sure are fascinated with other guy's schlongs Marc. Gotta make us
>> wonder. . . .
> Fascinated?
Based on the frequency and enthusiasm with which you post about them. Why
is it that most everyone else here can argue all day without mentioning the
other guy's genitals and/or ass, but you can't get through two sentences
without zooming in on them? Just seems to be an area of anatomy that is
uppermost in your thoughts. Wait, let me do it for you, "Humor ack ack. . .
."
> How's that MOS coming along? ;-). The only uniform you ever wore
> was a paper cap in burger flippin' hole, McJerkoff.
"Last week I couldn't spell officer and now I are one," was the way it
happened. It was their idea, not mine, frankly I was embarrassed to
suddenly show up outranking guys who had been working their little fingers
to the bone to get there. Whether you believe it or not (and you'll deny it
even if you do believe it) is no matter to me, the opinion of a heavily
self-documented psycho who lies through his teeth without missing a beat is
hardly something for anyone to be concerned with.
And now I realize I've actually wasted time and soiled my shoes responding
to a third-rate sewage merchant, back in your box trollboy, this is way more
attention than you deserve.
Rick N. Backer
<I_get_o...@aga.org> did courageously avow:
I could always add you to the list of the unwashed and un-flushed
should that be your deepest yearning today.
--
Ken Wilson
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>
>>How's that MOS coming along? ;-).
>
>
> "Last week I couldn't spell officer and now I are one," was the way it
> happened. It was their idea, not mine, frankly I was embarrassed to
> suddenly show up outranking guys who had been working their little fingers
> to the bone to get there.
Is that right? Which branch of the service? What's your rank? What have
I lied about -in your opinion?
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> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:17:09 -0700, "MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555"
> <I_get_o...@aga.org> did courageously avow:
>
>
>>Rick N. Backer wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:41:25 -0700, "MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555"
>>><I_get_o...@aga.org> did courageously avow:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>DGDevin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"MVM_geocities.com/mvm55555" <I_get_o...@aga.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Fl2sg.37293$AB3.31588@fed1read02...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Cub Scouts are under age.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure, and I live in a trailer on Long Island too, as a detective you're
>>>>>about as "accomplished" as you are a musician.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>www.geocities.com/mvm55555
>>>>
>>>>You might fiddle around with
>>>>
>>>>BMaj.9--AMaj.9--Gbm7---Dbm11
>>>>
>>>>It'll give your self-abused pisser a break ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Give up your obsession marc
>>
>>That'll be $10MM -in U.S. currency- just to cease
>>bitchslapping you. Now as obsessions go, how's
>>your's with the density of excrement in solution?
>
>
> I could always add you to the list of the unwashed and un-flushed
> should that be your deepest yearning today.
>
Filter me, -bitch :-).
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If you're not being a scumbag liar, (which is more than probable, -Army.
Yer Raiders fan buddy Paul (MOS 63W--Wheel Vehicle Repairer), probably
sneers down his big-filthy-pore schnozz at your MOS 79T--Recruiting and
Retention NCO (Army National Guard). Tony's post left you spastic with
post jerkwater shivers, but it pales compared to those campfire showings
of Kent State: HOW A *MAN* HANDLES STUDENTS DISRESPECTING AUTHORITY.
Fact is, you're an uneducated shitbag---> D. Mawnkay!
Rick N. Backer
<I_get_o...@aga.org> did courageously avow:
A man doesn't have to do that, bitch.
--
Ken Wilson
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No one ever concluded you were a man, -twist.
Rick N. Backer
<I_get_o...@aga.org> did courageously avow:
No matter, but, in your case, it is called jumping to a contusion
because you probably get bitch slapped shortly after opening your yap.
--
Ken Wilson
M.V.M_geocities.com/mvm55555
Sounds like you've been working your humor line with Devin. ;-)
@yerCervix!
Harry Twatter
with Nixon and Kissenger. ;-)
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INTERVIEW-Israeli envoy says no truce unless soldiers freed
Fri 4 Aug 2006 6:46 PM ET
By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON, Aug 4 (Reuters) - Israel's ambassador to the United States
said on Friday the Jewish state would only agree to a cessation of
hostilities if Hizbollah released two Israeli soldiers whose capture
sparked the 24-day conflict.
"The immediate one (goal of Israel) is the unconditional release of the
two hostages, the two soldiers that were kidnapped, which would
constitute the end of hostilities," Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon
told Reuters.
To be acceptable to Israel, he said a final U.N. resolution on ending
hostilities would have to include freedom for the soldiers, who could be
passed on by Hizbollah to the Lebanese government for release.
The United States and France are still hashing out details of U.N.
resolutions aimed at bringing an end to the fighting and for an
international force to move into southern Lebanon.
The French draft at the heart of negotiations between Paris and
Washington to end the fighting refers to the importance of the Israeli
soldiers' release.
Ayalon said Israel was pressing for implementation of U.N. Resolution
1559, which includes the disarming of Hizbollah and the deployment of
the Lebanese Army into southern Lebanon.
In addition, he said there needed to be safeguards included in the
resolution to prevent Hizbollah's main backers, Syria and Iran, from
shipping arms to militias fighting Israel in southern Lebanon.
Two resolutions are currently under discussion at the United Nations,
one which would lead to an immediate cessation of hostilities and
outlines a political framework for a lasting peace, and another dealing
with an international force.
"Whether it is one resolution or two is a technical matter. Most
important is to make sure that it can be implemented," Ayalon said.
What Israel fears most is that there will be a security vacuum in
southern Lebanon after a truce is declared and before international
forces can arrive.
"The earlier this force can be dispatched the earlier we can leave,
provided that the kidnapped soldiers have been freed and Iran and Syria
have stopped their shipments" to Hizbollah, he said.
He said Israel would like to see as robust a force as possible, one not
intimidated by Hizbollah, and which would have intelligence
capabilities. "We don't want to be sitting ducks for Hizbollah," he added.
The United Nations has postponed several meetings to try to get
contributions for an international force for Lebanon.
So far, Ayalon said troops had been offered by Germany Italy, Spain,
Turkey, Poland and France. The United States and Britain have offered
logistical support.