Short Lord Valve ( Willie ) Story
Paul Cassone
>
> "Joe L" <jlem...@communique.net> wrote:
> > Albert Boggs <alb...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Excuse my comments here... but I just want to be fair. Sorry Al, you are obviously more fair that I am. I have seen how LV talks to people here on AGA and found he treated me basically the same way but subdued over the phone. He is the one that set the bar high, not me.Joe L
As a counter to your experience, I had trouble biasing a set of 6L6s I
bought from LV. Although I knew what I was doing, repeated the steps
several times, and swapped the tubes to opposing sockets, I just
couldn't get get them both to the same approximate voltage. After
e-mailing LV and explaining my problem, he shipped out a new set & I
returned the original pair. No fuss at all. My orders have always been
complete, correct, and delivered within 3 days of placing the order.
Willie's on-line personna might be a bit course, but he's an excellent
businessman, and his products are the best. If he has a true fault, it's
that he's a Squid Tweet!
>
> Monte Barnett
> mbar...@valleyint.com
I have bought tubes from LV several times. Each and every time the
order arrived promptly, packed well, and all tubes have been teriffic.
To top it off, LV has always been helpful when e-mailed for assistance.
The latest order arrived with a disk chock full of useful and helpful
tips for working on my amp.
Don't get me wrong, he's full of attitude, but that's just part of the
package. He's often entertaining (particularly his artwork) although
his poetry needs work.
Regards,
Paul
E Booth
at NBS electronics. I ordered some new tubes fully expecting when they came
I could pop open my Naylor Dual 60, pop in the tubes, get them biased, and
be on my way. Well the tubes came (very quickly, and packed great with
extras like a pen, FAQ disc, and a solder sample) opened up the Naylor and
now bias adjustment. So, I figure I'll put in the tubes and get a reading
and hopefully it will be within the bias range its supposed to be in. Well
it wasn't, the bias reading was about 15ma higher then the max recommended.
So, I call Willie and tells me all of my options, one of them being that the
tubes may be fine with the bias high but I have to take some different
readings from the amp, something I have never done before, nor had I ever
planned on it. Willie walked me through the whole process, step by step. I
probably called him 5 or 6 times and he always made the time to speak to me
and to help me through what I was doing. Everything turned out great. The
amp sounds amazing and I learned a hell of a lot from a very patient,
knowledgeable teacher with a great sense of humor. I have never gotten
customer service like that and I recommend very highly.
Does anyone have a schematic for the Naylor Duel 60??
It would be greatly appreciated or any info you may have.
All the Best, Eric
ebo...@erols.com
cjpk
LV, but just reading his words here is great.
Chris
wrote:
I've always had great dealings with him also........get on his Tube
List ...mailing list for his latest tube deals!!
Chris
REMOVE THE ANTI-SPAM X
Mark
business. If only more business men could see the value of good customer
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Cybernalt
Joe L
>Just wanted to share a very cool experience I had the other day with Willie
>at NBS electronics.
In that case, so will I. I had cloned an SLO and needed some good output tubes that would
complement that design. I called LV and explained that I was looking for a tight power
section for the SLO with hopefully increased bass and good longevity in a combo. I also
explained that I haven't been following current tube offerings and would appreciate a
suggestion. He replied with a short "so you want me to tell you what to get?" From that
moment on he talked down to me and I and couldn't wait for the call to be over with. I
really was sorry I ordered from him and almost called back and cancelled the order. But I
figured with his reputation that I would at least get good tubes.
A couple of days later I got the tubes in - 2 NOS Sylvania 7581As and 3 Sovtek 12AX7LPSs.
The 7581As biased up real nice and were matched within 1ma of each other. I stuck the
12AX7LPSs to the side while I was bringing up the amp with some old pullout tubes to not
risk frying them. After the SLO was checked out, I plugged in the Sovteks to be greeted
with tons of hum. After 2 hours of troubleshooting ground loops and filiment lead dress,
I swapped out the preamp tubes. No hum.... hmmmm... To make a long story short, 2 of the
Sovteks hum... loudly! There is no chance that anyone had ever checked them because it
was not sutle and could even be heard in the PI position. Swapping them into another amp
confirmed that it was the tubes.
Now the worst part of this is after being treated the way I was on the phone when ordering
the tubes, damn if I am going to try getting them replaced. If he treated me that way
when trying to buy tubes, I can only imagine how he'll treat me when I try to get them
replaced.
And that's "no bullshit".
..Joe L
Albert Boggs
Excuse my comments here... but I just want to be fair.
I personally have had no experience with LV as of yet other that
chatting on the ng. However, from reading other posts... it is apparent
that others have had good (as well as bad) dealings with him.
You feel you were talked down to? Maybe you were. I don't know... but
LV has never talked down to me.
The part of your situation in dealing with him that I see as unfair...
is on the one hand you praise the pair of 7851As as being matched... and
working real well. On the other hand you say the 3 12AX7LPSs were not
what you expected. And here you say "damn if I am going to try and get
them replaced.".... "I can only imagine how he'll treat me...."
I suggest you return the bad tubes (12AX7LPSs) to LV and get them
replaced.... and then post on the newsgroup the way you're treated.
Lot's of guys here are potential customers of LV (including myself) and
we want to know how he responds when he's given the opportunity to do
so. Accompany the request for replacement tubes with a letter explaining
things... including your feelings about how you were talked to... and
give LV the chance to make amends. I'm sure he (as a businessman) would
like you to be a satisfied customer. But he cannot fix what he don't
know is broken.
Respectfully, Al Boggs
Joe L
>Excuse my comments here... but I just want to be fair.
Sorry Al, you are obviously more fair that I am. I have seen how LV talks to people here
on AGA and found he treated me basically the same way but subdued over the phone. He is
the one that set the bar high, not me.
..Joe L
Cybernalt
>Subject: Re: Short Lord Valve ( Willie ) Story
>From: jlem...@communique.net (Joe L)
>Date: Sun, 09 January 2000 10:34 AM EST
>Message-id: <3878a555....@va.news.verio.net>
Thorny
wrote:
>"E Booth" <ebo...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>Just wanted to share a very cool experience I had the other day with Willie
>>at NBS electronics.
>
>In that case, so will I. I had cloned an SLO and needed some good output tubes that would
>complement that design. I called LV and explained that I was looking for a tight power
>section for the SLO with hopefully increased bass and good longevity in a combo. I also
>explained that I haven't been following current tube offerings and would appreciate a
>suggestion. He replied with a short "so you want me to tell you what to get?"
Why - yes - you DID want him to tell you what he thought you should
get - didn't you? Wasn't that the reason you called - to find out his
opinion and place an order? LV can be rather direct at times, but
that usually is a good thing.
From that
>moment on he talked down to me and I and couldn't wait for the call to be over with. I
>really was sorry I ordered from him and almost called back and cancelled the order.
It may have been possible that he may not have the capability of the
person he is talking to on the other end. I deal with TONS of people
in my job and routinely have to walk through procedures with them -
some of which they already might know (but there is no way I would
know this, so I give them all the details). I expect them to give me
some sort of indication if they perceive that I am talking down to
them. Life is too short and I can't read minds. I don't think LV can
either. You have to remember, I am sure he deals with tons of
"newbies" all day long - some of that is bound to carry over.
But I
>figured with his reputation that I would at least get good tubes.
I always have.
>
>A couple of days later I got the tubes in - 2 NOS Sylvania 7581As and 3 Sovtek 12AX7LPSs.
>The 7581As biased up real nice and were matched within 1ma of each other. I stuck the
>12AX7LPSs to the side while I was bringing up the amp with some old pullout tubes to not
>risk frying them. After the SLO was checked out, I plugged in the Sovteks to be greeted
>with tons of hum. After 2 hours of troubleshooting ground loops and filiment lead dress,
>I swapped out the preamp tubes. No hum.... hmmmm... To make a long story short, 2 of the
>Sovteks hum... loudly! There is no chance that anyone had ever checked them because it
>was not sutle and could even be heard in the PI position. Swapping them into another amp
>confirmed that it was the tubes.
>
Stuff happens - and no matter what we try to do - it can and will
happen. What is really important is 1) trying to keep it from
happening, and 2) how do you handle it when it does happen. So you
got some tubes that humm... I don't doubt that could happen. Maybe
someone grabbed something from the wrong stack???? Who knows. It is
not a good thing, but I don't think it is the norm from my buying
experience and from what others have reported.
>Now the worst part of this is after being treated the way I was on the phone when ordering
>the tubes, damn if I am going to try getting them replaced.
No - you are going to trash his reputation on customer service because
you thought he was talking down to you (something he may not have even
been aware of). You admittedly haven't even giving him a chance to
make it good. You should talk to him and give him a chance before you
trash him.
>If he treated me that way
>when trying to buy tubes, I can only imagine how he'll treat me when I try to get them
>replaced.
You are sensitive aren't you? Then maybe have your wife, girlfriend,
or a friend call him for you. I'll even call for you.
From my experience, I would bet that LV is proud of his reputation and
would gladly replace your tubes with something to your satisfaction.
Then you can report back to us how he replaced your tubes once he was
informed that there was a problem.
>
>And that's "no bullshit".
>
>..Joe L
I have bought a metric shitload (LV terminology) of stuff from LV over
that past year and a half (at least a lot for me). He has always
delivered exactly what was promised. He obviously has a lot of pride
in his customer service from my experiences. I have talked to LV many
times on the phone - probably for painfully (for him) long times. I
am definately not an expert, and he has not talked down to me and has
had to have been extremely patient. I have found that his prices are
reasonable and service is the best. I usually get my orders 3 days
after I order them, along with the disk, pen, and solder freebies.
One time I ordered some stuff from a place about only a few hours away
from here a few days before ording from LV, and LVs order arrived
before the earlier and much closer order.
Under your current scenario the only way LV could have made things
right is to undo sending the noisy tubes (can't do that, that already
has been done), or send you different tubes or a refund (can't do that
if he does not know about it). You put him in a difficult situation -
you may be taking the "Lord" thing a little too literally. Or maybe
your motive is NOT to try to work things out? Most of us will
continue to order from LV and get great tubes at good prices and great
customer service.
JoeArthur
Cybernalt wrote in message <20000109144812...@ng-fm1.aol.com>...
>What do you say to THAT story LV?
LV doesn't need to say anything, he doesn't have a problem and would be a
fool to accept it as such.
If I had one wish... it would not be to cure the pangs of world hunger or of
all forms of cancer and other diseases... not even for the slightest
improvement in world peace.
It would be for all people to develop enough SELF-esteem to accept full
responsibility for their "hurt feelings" and stop assigning that
responsibility to others.
Monte Barnett
As a counter to your experience, I had trouble biasing a set of 6L6s I
JJG ...
very helpful. Those LPS's have been a splinter in my ass for a long
time. I've come to the conclusion that they work in most amps but NOT
mine (67 Plexi SL). I've sent several back only to be told they're fine.
I tracked down some Ruby STR's (which were purchased from LV a while
back) and it was the best thing I ever did. My amp actually said "thank
you"
Jeff
Miles O'Neal
Can't argue with your experience, I can only note that my
business with LV to date has been one of the best business
relationships I've had with anyone, ever. Haven't done
*that* much with him yet, but it's been a real pleasure.
On the Sovteks, I would try them in another amp, just as a
data point. The two I've bought have been truly sweet.
(LV - any possibility any of these are really LPs mislabeled
at the factory?)
FWIW, I wouldn't expect him to listen to each tube. The
tester and hammer are what I expect. (If he does ear test
each tube, I certainly won't complain!)
> Now the worst part of this is after being treated the way I was on the phone when ordering
> the tubes, damn if I am going to try getting them replaced. If he treated me that way
> when trying to buy tubes, I can only imagine how he'll treat me when I try to get them
> replaced.
>
> And that's "no bullshit".
Well, maybe part of it. But the other part isn't reality - it's
your fear *I can only imagine...) Remember what Yoda says about
fear? 8^) Seriously - either try it or don't, but this isn't the
place to let your fears decide.
-Miles
No, I don't like being talked down to or ridiculed, but I'd
rather *know* how someone will react. 98% of the time if I
let my imagination loose on it, the person ends up being
*much* easier to deal with than I imagined!
John Templeton
opinions but I will pass this along. Knowing several techs. and doing work
myself, the Sovtek LPS can sometimes bite your ass. You use a few and
they're real sweet so you recommend them. Next batch in has some duds that
are microphonic or hum. You get what you pay for and the LPS is not a
premium priced tube. Sometimes you have to send them back, simple as that.
Call Willie and explain the problem, I'm willing to bet he will tell you to
ship them back.
Regards,
John Templeton
Joe L <jlem...@communique.net> wrote in message
news:3878a555....@va.news.verio.net...
> "E Booth" <ebo...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >Just wanted to share a very cool experience I had the other day with
Willie
> >at NBS electronics.
>
> In that case, so will I. I had cloned an SLO and needed some good output
tubes that would
> complement that design. I called LV and explained that I was looking for
a tight power
> section for the SLO with hopefully increased bass and good longevity in a
combo. I also
> explained that I haven't been following current tube offerings and would
appreciate a
> suggestion. He replied with a short "so you want me to tell you what to
get?" From that
> moment on he talked down to me and I and couldn't wait for the call to be
over with. I
> really was sorry I ordered from him and almost called back and cancelled
the order. But I
> figured with his reputation that I would at least get good tubes.
>
> A couple of days later I got the tubes in - 2 NOS Sylvania 7581As and 3
Sovtek 12AX7LPSs.
> The 7581As biased up real nice and were matched within 1ma of each other.
I stuck the
> 12AX7LPSs to the side while I was bringing up the amp with some old
pullout tubes to not
> risk frying them. After the SLO was checked out, I plugged in the Sovteks
to be greeted
> with tons of hum. After 2 hours of troubleshooting ground loops and
filiment lead dress,
> I swapped out the preamp tubes. No hum.... hmmmm... To make a long story
short, 2 of the
> Sovteks hum... loudly! There is no chance that anyone had ever checked
them because it
> was not sutle and could even be heard in the PI position. Swapping them
into another amp
> confirmed that it was the tubes.
>
> Now the worst part of this is after being treated the way I was on the
phone when ordering
> the tubes, damn if I am going to try getting them replaced. If he treated
me that way
> when trying to buy tubes, I can only imagine how he'll treat me when I try
to get them
> replaced.
>
> And that's "no bullshit".
>
> ..Joe L
>
Lord Valve
"E Booth" <ebo...@erols.com> wrote:
>..Joe L
Lord Valve Speaketh:
I had to go to RadioShack.com today to pick up some sand (my
shop is doing a lot of repairs for Guitar Center, and they
sell a whole mess of SS amps) so I decided to drop by my own
shop and leave the parts off; while I was there, I looked for
Mr. Lemoine's sales ticket. I looked through all the tube orders
back to October 1, 1999, but I couldn't find his. This means
that either I overlooked it, or it was more than two months
ago. I was looking for the ticket because I sometimes write
notes on the back with info that's germaine to the deal, such
as what kind of amp the tubes are going into, or what kind of
music the customer plays..stuff like that. Sometimes just
seeing the ticket (and what was ordered, and when) can jog my
memory a bit. No luck. At any rate, I am not normally rude
or condescending to people on the phone. My conversational
style is robust bordering on downright bawdy; sometimes folks
who haven't dealt with me in the past are a bit taken aback.
I've been known to pull a leg or two from time to time, too.
It seems to me, however, that if I really had a bad case of
the Ass and was acting like a schmuck, Mr. Lemoine would have
just told me to stick my tubes where the sun don't shine and
hung up. Sometimes, if my old lady isn't around to make sure
I eat my 3:00 piece of fruit, I can get pretty cranky; the
stuff I take for diabetes knocks the crap outa my blood sugar
levels and if I'm too busy to have a snack I get testy. So...
if I was a shithead, I apologize. As for the tubes...I CAN'T
FIX ANYTHING IF NO-ONE TELLS ME IT'S BROKEN!! The 12AX7LPSs
have been doing a good job for me so far; I get a few back
now and then, but I get a few of *everything* back now and
then. Sometimes there is nothing wrong with tubes people
send back, and I hear from them later that they found thus-
and-such was wrong inside the gear. Sometimes there *is*
a problem or defect. Sometimes, I replace tubes that were
obviously mistreated; for instance, a dude sent me back
a couple of Svetlana EL34s with a note in the box that said
"These tubes blew a fuse in my amp. Please replace." I
took a look at the bottom of the pair, and both of 'em had
arc-trails between pins two and three...an *obvious* indication
of the amp having been operated into an open load. I sent
a replacement pair with a small note in the box that said
"Be sure your speaker cabinet is connected before you turn
you amp on." Sometimes it's just easier to eat the damaged
stuff and keep the customer, rather than point fingers and
lay blame. Sovtek 12AX7LPSs haven't been around for long;
everyone (including me) is still learning what they can and
can't do. I saw a post recently on the LPSs not being
good for cathode follower use because they evidently don't
like excessive heater-cathode voltage spread. I don't usually
recommend them for that application, but that's good info
to be aware of. As far as hum goes, the LPSs aren't known
for it. Some tubes hum more in one type of amp than they
do in another; for instance, 5751s can hum in SF Fender front
ends, but they are usually fine in Marshalls. *Every* preamp
tube I ship gets listened to and checked for excessive
microphonics; if it has a green dot on the top or bottom of
the bottle, and a green dot on the top of the box, I personally
tested it in my bench rig for noise, hum, and microphonics.
I have no idea how Mr. Lemoine got *two* that hum...but I
would have been more than glad to ship him two replacements,
no questions asked. For my regular customers, if there is
a problem, I ship the replacements *before* I get the bad
ones back. If it were otherwise, this NG would be *full* of
posts like Mr. Lemoine's, and I'd be eating crow every day.
As I said above, I can't deal with a problem unless I know
about it. I've stayed in business for nearly three decades
through the simple expedient of *never* fucking with anyone's
money. (To put it bluntly.) You got a beef with me, don't
hesitate to call. If you feel the need to put your shit in
the street by posting it on AGA, I can deal with it that way,
too. So Sayeth the Lord.
Lord Valve
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Be a MAN...and buy some TODAY!"
Tremolux
>talks to people here
>> on AGA
LV only blasts bullshitters, idiots and morons. Typically, they deserve what
they get. If such political incorrectness bothers you, there's a couple web
pages where PC behavior is enforced, you might be more comfortable there.
To throw in the towel without even so much as a phone call or email to fix your
defective tube problem is a cop-out.
*You can guess what to remove from my email address to get rid of the spam
block.*
*Valid Targets:*
u...@ftc.gov
tos...@aol.com
xlog...@aol.com
mes...@aol.com
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Valerie Polacek
I hope that at some point all of you get the clue that the one who calls himself
Lord Valve is one of the most knowledgable people on this group, and if you
could back-seat your little damaged egos for a nano-second, you could gain a lot
of knowledge from his years of experience. Thank you.
Edwin Hurwitz
jlem...@communique.net (Joe L) wrote:
Well, all I know is that at least on one occasion he has replaced tubes
that I thought were faulty but were actually a misdiagnosis on my part.
He asked no questions at all but pulled out a brand new tube and sent me
on my way with a look that seemed to say that I had fucked up but he was
going to play along. We may not always agree on matters politcal but he
has my business for life.
Edwin
--
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Boulder, CO
http://www.indra.com/~edwin
Tonefactor
bought from LV. Although I knew what I was doing, repeated the steps
several times, and swapped the tubes to opposing sockets, I just
couldn't get get them both to the same approximate voltage. After
e-mailing LV and explaining my problem, he shipped out a new set & I
returned the original pair. No fuss at all. >>
So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
through the hassle of returning them?? Order from Ned at Triodeel.com, his
tubes arrive matched the first time around... no hassles at all.
Lord Valve
ever. I don't "try to pull a fast one" on anybody. *Every* pair or quad I
ship is matched to within 1 mA. Sometimes a tube takes a hard knock
in shipping and the elements shift; it is then not matched any longer.
I *always* replace them (free) if that is the case. I replace *very* few.
Ned will verify that this condition will sometimes occur during shipping.
I have sent *thousands* of tubes all over the world since I started
selling them online, with *very* few problems. Unless you can offer
concrete proof that I am a dishonest businessman, I think you'd
better shut your face...or face legal action. See if I'm kidding, son.
LV
Tremolux
>> unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
>> through the hassle of returning them??
Oh come on, what a crock. Nobody in his right mind, if he wanted to *stay* in
business, would pull such a stunt. I've bought tubes from LV and they arrived
at my place well matched. The elements in a tube can come out of alignment due
to shock and vibration encountered in shipping. Shit happens that LV has no
control over, once he puts the stuff in the hands of UPS or FedEx. That can
happen to tubes bought from ANY tube dealer, including the hyper-priced GT.
If you have a legitimate bitch with LV, deal with it in a more up front manner.
Randy Payne
>
> >> So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
> >> unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
> >> through the hassle of returning them??
>
> Oh come on, what a crock. Nobody in his right mind, if he wanted to *stay* in
> business, would pull such a stunt. I've bought tubes from LV and they arrived
> at my place well matched. The elements in a tube can come out of alignment due
> to shock and vibration encountered in shipping. Shit happens that LV has no
> control over, once he puts the stuff in the hands of UPS or FedEx. That can
> happen to tubes bought from ANY tube dealer, including the hyper-priced GT.
>
> If you have a legitimate bitch with LV, deal with it in a more up front manner.
>
Maybe what everyone here fails to consider is the fact that tubes
matched to 1 mA by Lord Valve, may not be matched to within 1 mA in a
different amp with different plate voltages and different screen grid
voltages.
Randy
James W. Anable, Jr.
> OK, tonefactor...you're looking to get sued. I don't do anything of the sort,
> ever. I don't "try to pull a fast one" on anybody. *Every* pair or quad I
> ship is matched to within 1 mA. Sometimes a tube takes a hard knock
> in shipping and the elements shift; it is then not matched any longer.
> I *always* replace them (free) if that is the case. I replace *very* few.
> Ned will verify that this condition will sometimes occur during shipping.
> I have sent *thousands* of tubes all over the world since I started
> selling them online, with *very* few problems. Unless you can offer
> concrete proof that I am a dishonest businessman, I think you'd
> better shut your face...or face legal action. See if I'm kidding, son.
> LV
>
> Tonefactor wrote:
>
> > As a counter to your experience, I had trouble biasing a set of 6L6s I
> > bought from LV. Although I knew what I was doing, repeated the steps
> > several times, and swapped the tubes to opposing sockets, I just
> > couldn't get get them both to the same approximate voltage. After
> > e-mailing LV and explaining my problem, he shipped out a new set & I
> > returned the original pair. No fuss at all. >>
> >
> > So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
> > unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
> > through the hassle of returning them??
This is NOT what he said. He said the tubes were replaced without a problem.
LV has a very good reputation, and counter to some of his messages on the group,
is VERY personable and helpful on the phone.
You may be doing yourself a big favor if you retract what you said and post an
apology. There is a possible cause of action if LV wants to sue you. BTW, I am
an attorney, but this message is not intended to be legal advice to anyone.
Monte Barnett
> So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
> unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
> through the hassle of returning them?? Order from Ned at Triodeel.com,
his
> tubes arrive matched the first time around... no hassles at all.
No, that wasn't even CLOSE to what I was saying! I've been on both the
shipping and receiving end of electronic parts which worked fine before they
were shipped, but didn't on delivery. Once the shipper gets it in their
hands, it becomes a crapshoot. This stuff ain't built out of iron, and it
doesn't take much of a drop or knock to tweak it out of spec.
LV's products, service, and QA are excellent, so don't attempt to sully
his reputation using MY posts. Unlike a few other "businesses" I've dealt
with over the 'net, Lord Valve/NBS Electronics is top-notch in my book.
Take your cheap shots elsewhere, Tonefactor.
Monte Barnett
mbar...@valleyint.com
Lloyd Gillis
Lloyd Gillis
North Van,BC
Canada
"Randy Payne" <rpa...@mailbag.com> wrote in message
news:387BD0...@mailbag.com...
> Tremolux wrote:
> >
> > >> So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
> > >> unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
> > >> through the hassle of returning them??
> >
cjpk
Lord Valve
LV
Mark wrote:
> >> So what you're saying is... ??
>
> >you'd better shut your face...or face legal action. See if I'm kidding, son.
>
> You're kidding yourself if you think you can sue over a question seeking
> clarification, pop.
>
> :)
>
> --
> x-no-archive: yes
Lord Valve
>> Maybe what everyone here fails to consider is the fact that tubes
>> matched to 1 mA by Lord Valve, may not be matched to within 1 mA in a
>> different amp with different plate voltages and different screen grid
>> voltages.
>>
>> Randy
>So are you accussing LV of not knowing what he's doing?
>
> Pete
Lord Valve Speaketh:
No, that's a legitimate conjecture...at a different plate voltage,
looking into a different primary impedance, and a host of other
factors not shared by the hypothetical amp and my test rigs, a
difference *could* show up. However, it wouldn't manifest itself
like Monte described, with the high (or low) reading following
the tube rather than staying with the socket. However, differences
caused by factors like I've listed above do *not* cause huge
discrepancies in side-to-side readings; by and large, stuff that
is matched on decent equipment will give close readings in darn
near any situation *where there is no anomaly in the circuitry.*
The important thing is that the tubes be matched *as closely as
possible* to begin with, in order to minimize any differences
in the equipment where they eventually wind up being used. A
point no-one has mentioned so far is warmup time; I don't take
readings from the tubes I'm matching until they have been at
full operating heat for at least 20 minutes; with only a 5-minute
warmup, the tubes may not be "settled" enough to produce close
readings, irrespective of differing screen currents or unequal
primary leg impedance, both of which can cause anomalous readings
(especially) when measuring idle current by the cathode-resistor
method, which is what most hobby-type techs use (for safety
reasons.)
Lord Valve
VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/lord-valve/
Good tube FAQ for newbies. Click the e-mail link and join my
SPAM LIST; just put "SPAM ME" in the header and I'll sign you
up. (If you only want a set of e-mail catalogs, put "CATS ONLY"
in the header.) I specialize in top quality HAND-SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and bass amps. Good
prices, fast service. TONS of gear and parts in stock...let's DEAL!
NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
Phone orders/tech support after 1:00 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156
NOW ACCEPTING VISA AND MASTERCARD
CHAT WITH LORD VALVE: Log onto any DALnet server and join
channel #CONELRAD. Look for me there most any night after
11:00 PM Denver (Mountain) time. Guitar-amp questions and
what-have-you are welcome.
"It ain't braggin', if ya can do it." - Babe Ruth
Mark
Miles O'Neal
> I have bought tubes from LV several times. Each and every time the
> order arrived promptly, packed well, and all tubes have been teriffic.
And I don't know of *anyone* who gets things to you faster
through the Post Office.
It's truly amazing. Maybe his local postmaster is a happy
customer and expedites his orders, I don't know...
-Miles
Miles O'Neal
>
> >> So what you're saying is... ??
>
> >you'd better shut your face...or face legal action. See if I'm kidding, son.
>
> You're kidding yourself if you think you can sue over a question seeking
> clarification, pop.
That was hardly clarification - it was a pathetic attempt at slander.
-Miles
PMG
Randy Payne wrote:
>
> Tremolux wrote:
> >
> > >> So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
> > >> unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
> > >> through the hassle of returning them??
> >
> > Oh come on, what a crock. Nobody in his right mind, if he wanted to *stay* in
> > business, would pull such a stunt. I've bought tubes from LV and they arrived
> > at my place well matched. The elements in a tube can come out of alignment due
> > to shock and vibration encountered in shipping. Shit happens that LV has no
> > control over, once he puts the stuff in the hands of UPS or FedEx. That can
> > happen to tubes bought from ANY tube dealer, including the hyper-priced GT.
> >
> > If you have a legitimate bitch with LV, deal with it in a more up front manner.
> >
>
> Maybe what everyone here fails to consider is the fact that tubes
> matched to 1 mA by Lord Valve, may not be matched to within 1 mA in a
> different amp with different plate voltages and different screen grid
> voltages.
>
> Randy
So are you accussing LV of not knowing what he's doing?
Pete
--
That's what they all say,
they all say d'oh... --Chief Wiggum
Tony Hwang
Speaking of a fast movement in the postal system, I sent a letter by
Skypak(equivalent to global priority mail in U.S.) one Monday morning
from Calgary where I live to a buddy in San Francisco. It was delivered
about 7:00 AM local time on Tuesday, the next day.
If one is looking for some tubes, pay a visit to local hamfest,
Lots of tubes, even tube tester can be found and had for very reasonable
price.
Regards,
Tony
PMG
Lord Valve wrote:
>
> PMG wrote:
>
> >> Maybe what everyone here fails to consider is the fact that tubes
> >> matched to 1 mA by Lord Valve, may not be matched to within 1 mA in a
> >> different amp with different plate voltages and different screen grid
> >> voltages.
> >>
> >> Randy
>
> >So are you accussing LV of not knowing what he's doing?
> >
> > Pete
>
> Lord Valve Speaketh:
> No, that's a legitimate conjecture...at a different plate voltage,
> looking into a different primary impedance, and a host of other
> factors not shared by the hypothetical amp and my test rigs, a
> difference *could* show up. However, it wouldn't manifest itself
> like Monte described, with the high (or low) reading following
> the tube rather than staying with the socket. However, differences
> caused by factors like I've listed above do *not* cause huge
> discrepancies in side-to-side readings; by and large, stuff that
> is matched on decent equipment will give close readings in darn
> near any situation *where there is no anomaly in the circuitry.*
> The important thing is that the tubes be matched *as closely as
> possible* to begin with, in order to minimize any differences
> in the equipment where they eventually wind up being used. A
> point no-one has mentioned so far is warmup time; I don't take
> readings from the tubes I'm matching until they have been at
> full operating heat for at least 20 minutes; with only a 5-minute
> warmup, the tubes may not be "settled" enough to produce close
> readings, irrespective of differing screen currents or unequal
> primary leg impedance, both of which can cause anomalous readings
> (especially) when measuring idle current by the cathode-resistor
> method, which is what most hobby-type techs use (for safety
> reasons.)
>
> Lord Valve
>
Ok, now my brain hurts, no wonder a matched set has a cost.
Pete
> VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/lord-valve/
> Good tube FAQ for newbies. Click the e-mail link and join my
> SPAM LIST; just put "SPAM ME" in the header and I'll sign you
> up. (If you only want a set of e-mail catalogs, put "CATS ONLY"
> in the header.) I specialize in top quality HAND-SELECTED NOS and
> current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and bass amps. Good
> prices, fast service. TONS of gear and parts in stock...let's DEAL!
>
> NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
> Phone orders/tech support after 1:00 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156
>
> NOW ACCEPTING VISA AND MASTERCARD
>
> CHAT WITH LORD VALVE: Log onto any DALnet server and join
> channel #CONELRAD. Look for me there most any night after
> 11:00 PM Denver (Mountain) time. Guitar-amp questions and
> what-have-you are welcome.
>
> "It ain't braggin', if ya can do it." - Babe Ruth
--
Rich
I just place a somewhat large order with him...all tubes arrived
perfectly.
I double tested his stuff, as I always do...I even tested them against a
way back when order he did for me, same vintage Visseaux Tubes...you
know what they new quad was very close to the old one, but they both
still match perfectly...
I've never ever had a problem with his matching and I buy a lot of tubes
and parts from NED, Mr. Valve, Svetlana, New Sensor, AES, Richardson and
many others...give it a rest please.
Thanks Willie for the perfect delivery..my friend is very satisfied with
the parts.
Cheers,
Rich Conte
Lord Valve wrote:
>
> OK, tonefactor...you're looking to get sued. I don't do anything of the sort,
> ever. I don't "try to pull a fast one" on anybody. *Every* pair or quad I
> ship is matched to within 1 mA. Sometimes a tube takes a hard knock
> in shipping and the elements shift; it is then not matched any longer.
> I *always* replace them (free) if that is the case. I replace *very* few.
> Ned will verify that this condition will sometimes occur during shipping.
> I have sent *thousands* of tubes all over the world since I started
> selling them online, with *very* few problems. Unless you can offer
> concrete proof that I am a dishonest businessman, I think you'd
> better shut your face...or face legal action. See if I'm kidding, son.
> LV
>
> Tonefactor wrote:
>
> > As a counter to your experience, I had trouble biasing a set of 6L6s I
> > bought from LV. Although I knew what I was doing, repeated the steps
> > several times, and swapped the tubes to opposing sockets, I just
> > couldn't get get them both to the same approximate voltage. After
> > e-mailing LV and explaining my problem, he shipped out a new set & I
> > returned the original pair. No fuss at all. >>
> >
> > So what you're saying is, he will try to pull a fast one by shipping
> > unmatched tubes the first time around, hoping you won't notice or go
Tonefactor
better shut your face...or face legal action. See if I'm kidding, son.>>
I'd personally never buy tubes or anything else from someone who comes off
as such an asshole on this newsgroup. Legal action for what?? Re-read my
post.
Lord Valve
crimes: wire and mail fraud. Two of the lawyers on this NG have also
read it, and both agree that it is actionable. Keep it up, junior...you're
just digging yourself in deeper. You can call me an asshole all you'd
like...I'm immune to stuff like that. Impugning my honesty or my business
practices is fucking with my money, and fucking with my money is the
same as fucking with my family. And nobody gets away with that.
LV
Richard S. McCown
old lady isn't around to make sure I eat my 3:00 piece of fruit, I can
get pretty cranky; the stuff I take for diabetes knocks the crap outa my
blood sugar levels and if I'm too busy to have a snack I get testy.
So... if I was a shithead, I apologize.
this apology at face value. My aunt knows when her boyfriend is getting
low long before he does. Everybody gets cranky now and again anyway. Not
everybody is going to like Valves net persona. But he's been keeping
the tech. advise safe and sane on here for a long time. He does a great
job of it. He takes the time to do it. I've got tubes, so have never
bought anything from him. But I wouldn't hesitate if I needed something
he has, as 99.9% of his prior customers who post here are say they got
treated first class.
Gary Carangelo
and my grandfather was, and it's a serious problem. Diabetes
can kill you !! I can also attest to the fact that I have
done business with Lord Valve and dealing with him is stress-free.
Between speaking with him on the phone or corresponding with him
by e-mail, he hasn't even come remotely close to being condescending,
disagreeable, or dishonest. He is a down to earth, and trustworthy
businessman.
I've managed people on the job and I know that
sometimes when people are stressed they get defensive and paranoid.
Their minds start to play tricks on them by fabricating distorted
perceptions of reality concerning other individuals. The perception
of reality that comes from within, based on past experiences and
prejudices for a given human being, do not generally reflect the
actual or "truthful" reality that is sometimes elusive, especially
when emotions cloud the individual's rational mind.
My 2 cents.
GC
Richard S. McCown <P-...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23710-38...@storefull-127.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Lord Valve wrote; Sometimes, if my
> old lady isn't around to make sure I eat my 3:00 piece of fruit, I can
> get pretty cranky; the stuff I take for diabetes knocks the crap outa my
> blood sugar levels and if I'm too busy to have a snack I get testy.
> So... if I was a shithead, I apologize.
Ned Carlson
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>OK, tonefactor...you're looking to get sued. I don't do anything of the sort,
>ever. I don't "try to pull a fast one" on anybody. *Every* pair or quad I
>ship is matched to within 1 mA. Sometimes a tube takes a hard knock
>in shipping and the elements shift; it is then not matched any longer.
Shit happens. We've bought tubes from about every large tube
source on Earth (including some neither you or Lord Valve ever
heard of), and we've had to ship duds back to every one.
This *includes* AT&T/Western Electric, who had/has about the
best quality control of any electron tube manufacturer in history.
Eimac has an exemplary quality control record, they make tubes that do
things you'd never expect a guitar amp to do, and cost hundreds or
thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars each. Some of
their stuff is in satellites & space shuttles. Guess what, every one
gets shipped with warranty paperwork.
Let's put it more bluntly, there's no such thing as an electronic
component that *never fails*. Some do better than others.
You can't take an anecdotal example of electronic component
failure and apply it to every component of that type.If you *could*
do this, what the hell is Microsoft doing selling software?
There's a good question, people use Windows every day, it's loaded
with defects that would be totally unacceptable in a piece of
hardware. Why isn't everyone with a defective copy of Windows
(read, 100% of all copies ever shipped) sending it back to
Microsoft for a refund?
This is why Bill Gates has $80,000,000,000 and you don't, he's
figured a way to get y'all to *pay for defective merchandise*.
The main reason for ordering from us is because Lord Valve
is a Republican, and as everyone knows, the Republican
agenda is to force everyone into slave labor, without health
insurance, for Corporate Amerika, and anyone who objects
to this must be a commie. ;-)
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics "where da tubes are!"
2225 W Roscoe Chicago, IL, 60618 USA
ph 773-871-7459 fax 773-871-7938
12:30 to 8 PM CT, (1830-0200 UTC) 12:30-5 Sat, Closed Wed & Sun
<A HREF="http://www.triodeel.com">http://www.triodeel.com</A>
Tube and Tube Amp info on the net...<A HREF="http://www.triodeel.com/tlinks.htm"> The Big Tube Links Page!</A>
Lord Valve
>The main reason for ordering from us is because Lord Valve
>is a Republican, and as everyone knows, the Republican
>agenda is to force everyone into slave labor, without health
>insurance, for Corporate Amerika, and anyone who objects
>to this must be a commie. ;-)
Yeah! No time to expound, I was just on my way to the
militia meeting... ;-)
LV
PMG
Oh, here, I'll respond for you. The Democrat's agenda it to protect you
by restricting you and taking away all of your rights, and the weenies
sponge their existence from people who were liberals in the '60s & '70s
but are now too drug addled to realize what a crock of shit the
democrats shovel from.
Pete
Daniel Cooper
PMG wrote in message <387E3028...@Chicagonet.net>...
So refreshing to hear from an original thinker like you! Damned interesting
stuff! I look forward to your next piercing analysis.
Your fan,
Dan
Gary Carangelo
Nice touch. I like your choice of phrasing.
GC
________________________________________
PMG wrote:
> Oh, here, I'll respond for you. The Democrat's agenda it to protect you
> by restricting you and taking away all of your rights, and the weenies
> sponge their existence from people who were liberals in the '60s & '70s
> but are now too drug addled to realize what a crock of shit the
> democrats shovel from.
>
> Pete
>
Miles O'Neal
>
> This is why Bill Gates has $80,000,000,000 and you don't, he's
> figured a way to get y'all to *pay for defective merchandise*.
Only for values of "y'all" that don't
include me.
(Now why does that sound strange? 8^)
-Miles, Unix guy
Ned Carlson
>Oh, here, I'll respond for you. The Democrat's agenda it to protect you
>by restricting you and taking away all of your rights, and the weenies
>sponge their existence from people who were liberals in the '60s & '70s
>but are now too drug addled to realize what a crock of shit the
>democrats shovel from.
Yeah, but people forget what kind of abuses were taking place
BEFORE some of these regulations you complain about were
in place. 12 year old kids working 16 hour days, adulterated meat,
railroads charging insane rates and bankrupting farmers,
a hundred or so black folks getting lynched every year,
Ponzi schemes, banks gambling their depositors' money
in the stock market, poll taxes, the Great Chicago Fire,
people dying from having steering columns stuffed thru their
chests...just because the execution isn't what it ought to be doesn't
mean regulations to get rid of such abuses are a bad thing!
What I love is the Republican interpretation of privacy...if Lord
Valve has a private arsenal of Claymore mines and Stinger missiles
in his basement and he's out selling hokey peach-pit cures for cancer,
the FBI investigating *that* is an invasion of privacy. But if his
next door neighbor is a homo or getting an abortion, well,
horror of horrors, the government has to intervene.
Go figure...
I'm guessing that Lord Valve is really more of a Libertarian than
a Republican. That I can relate to, heck , I voted Libertarian
a couple times myself. But Libertarian philiosophy isn't full of the
silly hypocrisy that's typical of Republican platforms as they
try to broaden their appeal but not piss off the extreme elements
so the right edgers all go vote for Ross Perot.
>That's what they all say,
>they all say d'oh... --Chief Wiggum
Especially if it's George W Bush.
Excuse me, I've got to live up to my stereotype and go get
drug-addled.Lessee...I've got some aspirin and couple cans
of beer, is that drug-addled enough?
Ned Carlson
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Ned Carlson (n...@triodeel.commie) wrote:
>
>>The main reason for ordering from us is because Lord Valve
>>is a Republican, and as everyone knows, the Republican
>>agenda is to force everyone into slave labor, without health
>>insurance, for Corporate Amerika, and anyone who objects
>>to this must be a commie. ;-)
>
>Yeah! No time to expound, I was just on my way to the
>militia meeting... ;-)
>LV
Planning to restore the Tudor monarchy and reinstate
feudalism and medieval trial-by-strength (I can read,
so I have to be tried by a clerical court), I'm sure.
Since I don't live in the Dukedom of Whittakershire,
I don't have to let you have first shot at my female
children, thank God, I mean M'Lord. ;-)
Lord Valve
thought that one up certainly had it, er...dicked, one might say.
LV
Ned Carlson
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>The Droit du Signeur was vastly underrated...
Presumably, if you know it's underrated, you
tried employing this right? How many virgins
in Colorado, I mean Royal Whittakershire, screamed
in horror trying to escape Your Beardedness?
Or maybe they didn't? Hard to believe, but
of course, I don't know, being a pinko Democrat
I don't poke into other folks' sex lives...of course,
if you want to put it on a live Real Video feed,
I'll sell tickets. Capitalism at its best...
Randy Payne
>
> Ned Carlson wrote:
> >
>
> > This is why Bill Gates has $80,000,000,000 and you don't, he's
> > figured a way to get y'all to *pay for defective merchandise*.
No, Bill Gates has figured a way to sell millions and millions of
something for $89 that cost him $2 to make!
Randy
Lord Valve
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:00:28 -0700, Lord Valve
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>The Droit du Signeur was vastly underrated...
>Presumably, if you know it's underrated, you
>tried employing this right? How many virgins
>in Colorado, I mean Royal Whittakershire, screamed
>in horror trying to escape Your Beardedness?
LV: Why, *none* of them, of course. Once they
saw the Royal Equipment, they were more than
willing...
>Or maybe they didn't? Hard to believe, but
>of course, I don't know, being a pinko Democrat
>I don't poke into other folks' sex lives...of course,
>if you want to put it on a live Real Video feed,
>I'll sell tickets. Capitalism at its best...
LV: The Lord is well aware that the porno biz is
run by lefties... ;-)
Lord Valve
VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/lord-valve/
Good tube FAQ for newbies. Click the e-mail link and join my
SPAM LIST; just put "SPAM ME" in the header and I'll sign you
up. (If you only want a set of e-mail catalogs, put "CATS ONLY"
in the header.) I specialize in top quality HAND-SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and bass amps. Good
prices, fast service. TONS of gear and parts in stock...let's DEAL!
NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
Phone orders/tech support after 1:00 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156
NOW ACCEPTING VISA AND MASTERCARD
CHAT WITH LORD VALVE: Log onto any DALnet server and join
channel #CONELRAD. Look for me there most any night after
11:00 PM Denver (Mountain) time. Guitar-amp questions and
what-have-you are welcome.
Philo T. Farnsworth sez, "Vacuum tubes kick major ass.
Be a MAN...and buy some TODAY!"
Bruce H. McIntosh
(* snip *)
>
> So refreshing to hear from an original thinker like you! Damned interesting
> stuff! I look forward to your next piercing analysis.
I guess a piercing analysis would be greatly influenced by what part of your
body has the piercing. :-)
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce H. McIntosh scot...@afn.org http://www.afn.org/~scotsman
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Slinky of Destiny is returning to the top of the stairs.
H. M. Murdock, "The A-Team"
PMG
James Andrews wrote:
>
> Ned Carlson (postm...@triodeel.com) wrote:
>
> : Yeah, but people forget what kind of abuses were taking place
> : BEFORE some of these regulations you complain about were
> : in place.
> <snip>
>
> Hey! No serious arguing allowed in this thread. Broad, sweeping
> generalizations only--they're much funnier.
>
> Thank you for sticking to the rules from now on.
>
> Jas.
>
> -------------------------
> James Andrews
> Philadelphia, PA
> Remove the XX
Actually, in Ned's defence, that whole paragraph including the parts
that you snipped, was as you put it "Broad, sweeping generalizations" or
as I like to refer to the general Democrats interpretation of the truth,
"Clouding the issue".
Somehow even the Chicago Fire got brought into it, but even _I_ will
admit that Mrs. O'Leary's cow was a Republican. And I'm sure Ned will
testify to this, all of those fiberglass cows that littered the Chicago
streets last summer, all Republicans.
Pete
--
Daniel Cooper
Bruce H. McIntosh wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Daniel Cooper wrote:
>(* snip *)
>>
>> So refreshing to hear from an original thinker like you! Damned
interesting
>> stuff! I look forward to your next piercing analysis.
>
>I guess a piercing analysis would be greatly influenced by what part of
your
>body has the piercing. :-)
>
>--
I remember when only females, "heads" and Gypsies were pierced. Nowadays
even Republicans do it - but they *still* prefer to stick it to the other
guy. Some things never change.
Dan
STRINGBEND
>The Democrat's agenda it to protect you
>> by restricting you and taking away all of your rights
With the exception of gun control issues, can you name some???
tdjones
There are other examples, such as land rights. But the gun issue by
itself is enough for me. Besides, the Republicans are busy taking away
the rest of them.
Keep your powder dry.
--Tim
Ned Carlson
Munro) wrote:
>For all those non-US people (and there must be a handful or two
>cruising this newsgroup), can someone splash up some bullet points on
>what the Republicans and Democrats are about?
Roughly, our Democrats are equivalent to your Labour,
Republicans roughly like your Tories. Reform Party
is sort of like the staff at News Of The World.
However tthe ideological differences are a bit vague as
both parties will try and co-opt each other's positions to lure
the majority of voters who don't really align themselves with
either side.This is really the basis of the Reform Party,
people who are disaffected from the main parties.
A lot of the chronic paranoids, conspiracy theorists
and closet monarchists (there's a few of them, occasionally
they've popped up with crank ideas like making Ronald Reagan
king ) are Republicans (yeah, I'm sure a monarchist Republican
sounds like an oxymoron to you).Of course there's plenty of
more moderate Republicans, the Republican politicians
are constantly having to do a balancing act trying to keep the
fringe elements from running off to the Reform Party but not
alienating more mainstream voters. The Democrats sort of
do a mirror image dancing act.But there really isn't much of
an extreme left wing in the US, eg:the Communists have never
pulled more than as token number of votes, or ever elected
anyone to office in the US that I ever heard of. The US is really a
pretty conservative country compared to most other ones.
Some of the stories the more radical folks have invented
about Clinton are very imaginative, did you know
Clinton has had 50 people murdered?
http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/clinton.htm
>This isn't meant to be flame bait, I'm visiting the US in a few weeks
>time, and would like to have an insight into the way things work.
You've watched The Simpsons, haven't you?
That gives you a pretty good idea.
Lord Valve
LV
Duncan Munro wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:30:46 GMT, PMG <av...@Chicagonet.net> wrote:
>
> >Actually, in Ned's defence, that whole paragraph including the parts
> >that you snipped, was as you put it "Broad, sweeping generalizations" or
> >as I like to refer to the general Democrats interpretation of the truth,
> >"Clouding the issue".
>
> For all those non-US people (and there must be a handful or two
> cruising this newsgroup), can someone splash up some bullet points on
> what the Republicans and Democrats are about?
>
> This isn't meant to be flame bait, I'm visiting the US in a few weeks
> time, and would like to have an insight into the way things work.
>
> --
> Duncan Munro BOF #23
> http://www.duncanamps.com
D. Show
boy is the MAN. We really should apologize to the English for seceding since
we so easily give Bill a pass to set himself up as royalty to be above the
law and perjure himself to win a lawsuit against the commoner women he
screws over. Lets get back to amp stuff though as I know where the Political
and Religious newsgroups are and only go there when desire to increase my
blood pressure. D. Show
Ned Carlson <postm...@triodeel.com> wrote in message
news:387eed82...@news3.newscene.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:00:28 -0700, Lord Valve
> <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >The Droit du Signeur was vastly underrated...
>
> Presumably, if you know it's underrated, you
> tried employing this right? How many virgins
> in Colorado, I mean Royal Whittakershire, screamed
> in horror trying to escape Your Beardedness?
> Or maybe they didn't? Hard to believe, but
> of course, I don't know, being a pinko Democrat
> I don't poke into other folks' sex lives...of course,
> if you want to put it on a live Real Video feed,
> I'll sell tickets. Capitalism at its best...
>
Duncan Munro
Matt
In a nutshell, in the US, Republicans are "right wing" and value free
market economies, favor "traditional" concepts of morality
*theoretically* held by the Judeo-Christian world, believe in punishing
criminals as a way to discourage crime and would rather teach a man to
fish than give him some of the fish he caught, to use a metaphor.
Democrats, again with a broad brush, are left wing, and favor
economical principals that prevent businesses from becoming controlling
giants(monopolies, oligopolies) and allow many to share a piece of the
pie(less of the Darwinian survival of the fittest). They do not
believe that any single system of morality is inherently correct and
believe have a more "laissez faire" attitude with this, to the extent
that practice of that morality does not affect the safety of others.
They believe at least as much in prevention of crime as in punishing it
and can easily justify certain crimes based on socio-economical
demographics. They believe in teaching a man to fish, but believe
primarily in making sure he has the fish to survive as a priority.
In as many ways as people will interpret my interpretation, there are
infinitely more interpretations of the two principles.
Then there are the extremists: left wings "radicals" and right
wing "reactionaries". I prefer to think of both of these groups as not
on a parallel line with democrats and republicans, but a skew line not
having much to do with either. The extreme of radical is communist;
the extreme of reactionary is fascist. And aren't both of these
systems really the same in a lot of ways?
Many people today are tending more toward the middle, known as
moderates. Libertarians are an example of a moderate political party.
I think most of us are more similar than we know.
Matt
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Danny Russell
Duncan Munro wrote:
> For all those non-US people (and there must be a handful or two
> cruising this newsgroup), can someone splash up some bullet points on
> what the Republicans and Democrats are about?
>
> This isn't meant to be flame bait, I'm visiting the US in a few weeks
> time, and would like to have an insight into the way things work.
>
It's kinda tough to explain, but remember that beer commercial that went:
"Taste great!! / Less filling!!"? ...well it's sorta like that.
The vast majority of Americans are somehow mezmerized, then duped into voting
for a candidates party affiliation rather the candidates individual merit.
Political office is the only occupation I'm aware of that considers this to
be an imporatant criterion. Then the hypnotized masses awaken, and wonder
why they are dissapointed again. -Danny
PMG
(Meet the new boss, same as the old boss)
Mm9775
>cruising this newsgroup), can someone splash up some bullet points on
>what the Republicans and Democrats are about?
>
>This isn't meant to be flame bait, I'm visiting the US in a few weeks
>time, and would like to have an insight into the way things work.
>
Although we have just two pre-eminent political parties in this country, the
Democrats and the Republicans, politics in the US can be very confusing,
especially to those not living in America. Much of the confusion stems from the
fact that the USA is a "republic" yet it is often said that ours is a
"democratic" society.
To help keep it simple, let's look at just one city, Chicago, where Unca Ned
lives. Chicago is perhaps the most *Democratic* city of them all. This is
clearly demonstrated by the fact that in Chicago, the opposing party (the
Republicans) rarely ever wins. *Winning* depends on voter turnout, and voter
turnout depends on many things, such as the weather, and of course the
erstwhile efforts of each party's supporters, Chicago's Democratic version of
which is affectionately known as "The Machine".
It's a simple process, really. Democratic Party members *work* the voter rolls,
encouraging registered voters to attend the polls and cast their ballots. As
Chicago ballots are very complicated, dedicated Democratic Party members
insure that little or no confusion clouds a voter's judgement, even
accompanying him into the voting booth and *explaining* the choices. Chicago's
electoral process is so *Democratic* that voting is not limited to living
persons, or even to *persons* as residents of cemeteries and occupants of the
stables at horse race tracks have been known to vote - sometimes more than
once, even in the same election.
Republican Party members in Chicago do not work the voter rolls with such
enthusiasm because they know that the loss of a resteraunteur's license or the
loss of a utility - such as water or gas - for a week or two just isn't good
for business. And if it's not good for business, it's not good for Chicago. On
the other hand, valiant efforts by party workers are rewarded by cushy jobs
(see *patronage*). Or, to learn more about politics in that city, get a copy of
the book "Boss" by the late Mike Royko.
But even that great book gives but a mere glimpse of the political workings of
just one city. To understand how things work at the highest level of politics
in the US - the presidential level, just do a search on *Monica Lewinsky*. I
hope this helps. :-)
M
Wanted: Information leading to the return of my 1977 Ducati 900SS. 1978 MRA
Superbike #456.
Miles O'Neal
So? It's still defective merchandise.
Buzz Tone
ment with bubble plastic and styrafoam popcorn, or, balloons filled with
Lord Valve's gas, than wouldn't it be nearly impossible for them to me
shooken out of bias. Nooo one has stated a word about how they were
packed and if there was any evidence of damage to the package. It IS a
big pain in the ass to return the tubes for replacements, and how many
players really are capable of testing these tubes, hell if we could do
that we wouldn't need LVs and Neds.
He shoots, he scores!
1 point for the underdog Tonefacter.
Sueing is one thing, winning is not a factor, but collecting any money
IS!
PMG
Ned Carlson wrote:
>
[.......
>
> Some of the stories the more radical folks have invented
> about Clinton are very imaginative, did you know
> Clinton has had 50 people murdered?
> http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/clinton.htm
But when he did it he said "I feel your pain" so that made it ok.
>
> >This isn't meant to be flame bait, I'm visiting the US in a few weeks
> >time, and would like to have an insight into the way things work.
>
> You've watched The Simpsons, haven't you?
> That gives you a pretty good idea.
Our hair all looks about like that, maybe a cross between the Simpsons
and Don Martin (R.I.P. btw) of Mad Magazine (all of our fingers do that
weird Don Martin double jointed thing)
Pete
>
> Ned Carlson Triode Electronics "where da tubes are!"
> 2225 W Roscoe Chicago, IL, 60618 USA
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--
Monte Barnett
"Buzz Tone" <Buzz...@webtv.net> wrote:
> If tubes are packed consistantly the same way, and I would assume this
> ment with bubble plastic and styrafoam popcorn, or, balloons filled with
> Lord Valve's gas, than wouldn't it be nearly impossible for them to me
> shooken out of bias.
My orders from LV have been packaged very well, and showed no signs of
mishandling. That being said, however, tubes which have taken enough of a
shock to affect the internal components don't necessarily exhibit any
external signs of damage.
> Nooo one has stated a word about how they were
> packed and if there was any evidence of damage to the package. It IS a
> big pain in the ass to return the tubes for replacements, and how many
> players really are capable of testing these tubes, hell if we could do
> that we wouldn't need LVs and Neds.
No, it isn't a "big pain in the ass" to return the tubes. You simply
package them back up the way they came, make a label, and pay about 3 bucks
to send them back. The way Lord Valve works, your replacements probably
arrive before he gets the funky ones back. Also, I think a point of
clarification needs to be made here: A pair of tubes which has dropped out
of spec during shipping or doesn't perform quite right in *your* gear does
not mean the tubes are duds. In many cases, they can be matched with other
tubes and perform great in someone else's amp.
> He shoots, he scores!
> 1 point for the underdog Tonefacter.
So that makes it LV 238, Tonefactor -47.
--
Monte Barnett
mbar...@valleyint.com
Darryl
You were saying......
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><p>Lord Valve wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>Ned Carlson (n...@triodeel.commie) wrote:
><p> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:00:28 -0700, Lord Valve
><br> <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
><p>>>The Droit du Signeur was vastly underrated...
><p>>Presumably, if you know it's underrated, you
><br>>tried employing this right? How many virgins
><br>>in Colorado, I mean Royal Whittakershire, screamed
><br>>in horror trying to escape Your Beardedness?
><br>LV: Why, *none* of them, of course. Once they
><br> saw the Royal Equipment, they were more than
><br> willing...
><p>>Or maybe they didn't? Hard to believe, but
><br>>of course, I don't know, being a pinko Democrat
><br>>I don't poke into other folks' sex lives...of course,
><br>>if you want to put it on a live Real Video feed,
><br>>I'll sell tickets. Capitalism at its best...
><br>LV: The Lord is well aware that the porno biz is
><br> run by lefties... ;-)
><p>Lord Valve
><br> </blockquote>
>Yet it is also widely known that the "Christian Right" (a dubious description
>at best) are the largest CONSUMERS of porn, the porn industry was estimated
>to have done $5 BILLION in business last year, vs $7.6 billion for the
>ENTIRE remainder of the movie industry. We're in the wrong biz, dudes .
>'Course, not all of us qualify for selection by the smut-peddlers because
>of our genetic deficiencies, but LV, how could you have passed on this
>opportunity? Or were you not willing to enter ANOTHER world of dysfunction
>at this late date?</html>
^^^^^^^^^^
Kinda hard to read isn't it?
Duncan Munro
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Where ya goin'. Duncan? BTW, thanks for the link...
>LV
Portland ME. If I ever get an opportunity to descend on the other
side of the US I shall drop in on The Lord for tea and biscuits. ;-)
Duncan Munro
wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:34:19 GMT, postm...@duncanamps.com (Duncan
>Munro) wrote:
>
>>For all those non-US people (and there must be a handful or two
>>cruising this newsgroup), can someone splash up some bullet points on
>>what the Republicans and Democrats are about?
>
>Roughly, our Democrats are equivalent to your Labour,
>Republicans roughly like your Tories. Reform Party
>is sort of like the staff at News Of The World.
> : :
LOL!
Thanks to Ned and everyone else for satisfying my curiosity about the
Republican/Democrat setup, and taking the effort to provide serious
answers to what was genuinely a serious question!
Sounds similar to the setup here (in _ascending_ order of political
popularity), we have centre right, centre left, the raving loony
party, a handful of extremists, and The Simpsons.
Actually, I should be careful what I say as you never know who is
cruising a.g.a, especially as our muso Prime Minister has been snapped
taking a black Strat into No. 10...
D. Show
> >Yet it is also widely known that the "Christian Right" (a dubious
description
> >at best) are the largest CONSUMERS of porn, the porn industry was
estimated
> >
>
>
Hustler magazine or maybe that fount of truth the National Inquirer?
Actually, overweight people are the "Largest" consumers of porn. I could
come up when many statement that deal with liberal women and their love of
their right to kill babies in the womb but is this the place ? D. Show
Darryl
You were saying......
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>
><p>Take yer blinders off, pal, we live in America where we can allegedly
>say and do what we damn well please, Ned and LV are STAPLES of this newsgroup
>and will forever defend ANYONE's right to go OFF-TOPIC for as long as we
>please. You are obviously a control-motivated Republican and are so PISSED
>when your party spends a SIGNIFICANT amount of taxpayer funds to get rid
>of someone they HATE, and LOSE. You're on a losing path in this NG. If
>you don't want to read it, don't click on it.</html>
Hey... turn off the html !!!! Get it?
D. Show
tho, was it democrat perverts.com?
Darryl <dkl...@removethisbit.ieee.org> wrote in message
news:388de4e2....@news.dingoblue.net.au...
Ned Carlson
Munro) wrote:
>Actually, I should be careful what I say as you never know who is
>cruising a.g.a, especially as our muso Prime Minister has been snapped
>taking a black Strat into No. 10...
Just in case anyone's wondering, Number 10 is 10 Downing St,
the tenement the British force their prime minister to live in.
Since he's technically just a civil servant, not actually the
head of government, he gets to live in public housing, not
a mansion or a palace.
I wish they'd make the President do Question Time like they
do the PM in the UK, man, that's a riot. Sort of the British
version of Jerry Springer, less the assault & battery & chair-
throwing.
Richard S. McCown
Jimmy Swaggert pass it along to Ned, as Jimmy was in the neighborhood on
his way to a Quaalude and young intern party at Jim and Tammy Bakkers
house. Don't worry though, with separation of church and state, no
government funds were used. All drugs, sex, and coverups were payed for
with money stolen fair and square from little old ladies.
----------------------------
Ned Carlson
>It's a simple process, really. Democratic Party members *work* the voter rolls,
>encouraging registered voters to attend the polls and cast their ballots. As
>Chicago ballots are very complicated, dedicated Democratic Party members
>insure that little or no confusion clouds a voter's judgement, even
>accompanying him into the voting booth and *explaining* the choices.
Chicago's
>electoral process is so *Democratic* that voting is not limited to living
>persons, or even to *persons* as residents of cemeteries and occupants of the
>stables at horse race tracks have been known to vote - sometimes more than
>once, even in the same election.
Man, when was the last time YOU were in Chicago, 1970?
Nowadays (and, yes, I've served as an election judge),
you've got cops,feds, pollwatchers (who get official credentials
and can't be kicked out of a polling place) and State's Attorneys
watching everything. The only time an election judge ever accompanies
a voter into a booth is if they're disabled, and they get to pick
whether they want a Republican or Democratic judge to assist them.
The ballots are all counted by a sealed computerr and at the end of
the day the unused,used & spoiled ballots all have to add up to
exactly to the number of ballots given to the precinct. I guess you
COULD spoil a hundred ballots and stuff the ballot box, but
you'd have to get the cop, all the election judges and the
pollwatchers to go along and when a hundred ballots come up spoiled
you'd have to have an awfully convincing story.
Like one precinct captain told me, one federal grand jury subpoena
can spoil your whole day.
>Republican Party members in Chicago do not work the voter rolls with such
>enthusiasm because they know that the loss of a resteraunteur's license or the
>loss of a utility - such as water or gas - for a week or two just isn't good
>for business.
This is a crock, there's no need for this. Most employees are covered
by the Shakman decree anyway. It does pay to be on the good side
of the alderman, 'cause he can turn down zoning requests.
But this goes for City Councils all over the place, not just Chicago.
There's not a lot of Republicans in Chicago 'cause most of them
moved out to DuPage County and elect clowns like Henry Hyde and
Pate Phillip by margins that are astounding even by old Machine
standards.Then those politicians run around voting money for
private vanity airports for their country club buddies and appointing
contributors to cushy jobs at the Tollway Authority, when they're
not out having state employees shake down Polish truck drivers
for campaign contributions. No, the Democrats sure don't have any
monopoly on corruption in this state, anyway.
The Governor, to my elation & surprise, is actually suggesting
the abolishment of the Tollway Authority. Probably because he wants
to get rid of it and shred the documents before the feds investigate.
And if it's not good for business, it's not good for Chicago. On
>the other hand, valiant efforts by party workers are rewarded by cushy jobs
>(see *patronage*). Or, to learn more about politics in that city, get a copy of
>the book "Boss" by the late Mike Royko.
I'm a big fan of Mr. Royko, heck, I used to deliver the Daily News.
The book is a good book, but it's about Chicago 30 years ago,
not the 90's.Royko also points out the the most significant reason for
the success of the Chicago Democratic organization wasn't corruption,
(tho that didn't hurt) it was because it tried to be inclusive of all
of the many ethnic and interest groups...most of whom weren't terribly
attracted by the WASPish Republicans' policies on things like
prohibition and labor laws anyway.
>But even that great book gives but a mere glimpse of the political workings of
>just one city. To understand how things work at the highest level of politics
>in the US - the presidential level, just do a search on *Monica Lewinsky*. I
>hope this helps. :-)
Or Watergate, or Iran Contra, or Teapot Dome .
>Wanted: Information leading to the return of my 1977 Ducati 900SS. 1978 MRA
>Superbike #456.
Nice bike, my sympathies.
Darryl
You were saying......
>So who sounds p'ed off now. Didn't catch your source for the porno stats
>tho, was it democrat perverts.com?
I don't know what you're taking... but it's having a baaaad effect! Better
stop!
Valerie Polacek
"D. Show" wrote:
>
> > >Yet it is also widely known that the "Christian Right" (a dubious
> description
> > >at best) are the largest CONSUMERS of porn, the porn industry was
> estimated
> > >
> >
> >
> So widely known that I never have heard that statistic. What is your source?
> Hustler magazine or maybe that fount of truth the National Inquirer?
> Actually, overweight people are the "Largest" consumers of porn. I could
> come up when many statement that deal with liberal women and their love of
> their right to kill babies in the womb but is this the place ? D. Show
Oh, and who are you, the "end-all" of information on the planet? Just
because YOU don't know something, it can't be true! And let's get back
on topic, brain-boy....what kind of strings do you use on your bass! You
MUST be a bass player.......
Valerie Polacek
Daniel Cooper wrote:
> >
> >Oh, here, I'll respond for you. The Democrat's agenda it to protect you
> >by restricting you and taking away all of your rights, and the weenies
> >sponge their existence from people who were liberals in the '60s & '70s
> >but are now too drug addled to realize what a crock of shit the
> >democrats shovel from.
> >
> >Pete
>
> So refreshing to hear from an original thinker like you! Damned interesting
> stuff! I look forward to your next piercing analysis.
>
> Your fan,
>
> Dan
All right, Dan! Good shot!
Darryl
You were saying......
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><p>"D. Show" wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>So who sounds p'ed off now. Didn't catch your source
>for the porno stats
><br>tho, was it democrat perverts.com?
><br>Darryl <dkl...@removethisbit.ieee.org> wrote in message
><br><a href="news:388de4e2....@news.dingoblue.net.au">news:388de4e2....@news.dingoblue.net.au</a>...</blockquote>
>You crack me up! Tell me to stay on topic, then commit the same sin yourself!
>You and Swaggart! What a team!</html>
You couldn't get any dumber. I _never_ mentioned being off topic. You obviously
don't even know how to follow a thread.
Watch my lips "TURN OFF THE FREAKIN HTML" Sheesh!!!! F*ckin' newbies.
Darryl
Buzz Tone
piss.
Your previous post stated- "No, it isn't a "big pain in the ass" to
return the tubes. You simply package them back up the way they came,
make a label, and pay about 3 bucks to send them back. The way Lord
Valve works, your"
ass, and yes I do piss in the shower if it so needs be.
D. Show
Not that I was ever really attached to Swaggert, but his fdenomination required that he step down from his position considering that he lost his moral authority. Something the Demo's never considered because power is more important than principle to them, A man takes an oath to uphold the constitution and then lies under oath to deny the Constitutional right for a day in court to a citizen.That also is hypocracy. Just because the Dems stuck together he got off, not because of innocence. As Watergate was brought up, the Republicans were principled enough to bail on Nixon as they should have, he was a creep and abuser of power as is Billy.
You crack me up! Tell me to stay on topic, then commit the same sin yourself!
So now it's a sin to go off topic ? I thaough you Dems thought that didn't exist as all values are relative.
You and Swaggart! What a team!
Don't know the man and he'll answer to his Boss who knows what all he's been up to but he didn't use my money. D. Show
D. Show
Valerie Polacek <vpol...@clunet.edu> wrote in message
news:38815907...@clunet.edu...
>
>
Show
>
> Oh, and who are you, the "end-all" of information on the planet? Just
> because YOU don't know something, it can't be true! And let's get back
> on topic, brain-boy....what kind of strings do you use on your bass! You
> MUST be a bass player....
attack turns to the questioner.Never said that I was the end all source.
Everything I say here is my opinion and I don't quote non existant sources
that "aare wideley known
Valerie wrote .Yet it is also widely known that the "Christian Right" (a
dubious description at best) are the largest CONSUMERS of porn,
who forgot more than you'll ever know about guitar for all you know but you
like to spew hate and ignorance with all you disagree with, hardly the
tolerance I hear Dems are noted for. I was marching for Civil right in the
60's probably before you were chewing pablum but I guess that doesn't fit
with your profile of someone who calls you on an unsubstantiated cheap shot
at a whole group of people so lets get on with amps. So what amp do you play
through and what is your dream rig Valerie?
Valerie Polacek
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
I am 50 years old, this is my wife's university account, I am an amp
tech, I don't play out any more, but to answer your question, my
favorite amp is a black face Bassman with the CBS bias balance removed,
the "soft-clip" circuit removed (the 220K's to the plates), and EL34's,
with the tone circuit bypassed on the first channel through a Marshall
cab with old greenbacks (my test cab with the 16-stereo 8-4 ohm plate
added). A 50-watt Marshall OT gets rid of the midrange honk of the
Bassman tranny, but so what, it still has that totally desirable
mechanical crunch on the attack of the note, like Clapton on the "Beano"
album.
Later, Junior.
D. Show
from him recently several days before I expected it, it was complete and
included several resisters that I needed as a bonus. Having been in business
in the Art wholesale and publishing business I was always very attentive to
customer relations to the point where I have replaced posters that were
damaged right before my eyes by a customer. I ate the loss to make the sale
and preserve my reputation. I stopped calling on that particular customer
however but they got no argument from me. Lord V has been patient with me in
walking me through an amp repair and in advising me on tube choices. For the
poster who complained about his advice my question is, if you new what you
wanted you could have just ordered the ones you wanted but you asked. I have
tried some tubes that I have not been impressed with ( not from NBS) and
learned by trying them. We are not talking about things that require a
second mortgage here so spend a little spare change and find out what you
like and then share your experience with us. D. Show
John Carville
music and listens to Simply Red. This is not the behaviour of a musician,
music lover, or even a muso. Many a sad wannabe guitar hero has a black
strat lurking in the bedroom - that they can't play!!!. Gordon Bennett, the
man has no soul....... how dare he even look at a guitar!!!
Sorry, it's just I get a bit uppity about Tony the Bore Blair. Thank heaven
I emigrated to Norway just after the election. Cool Britannia, my arse. That
government even gave Ginger Spice some kind of mention as a role model for
young girls. Head examining? And, despite owning decisive control, refused
to step in and support the Liverpool dock workers strike.
Aaaghhhh!!!!
JC
Duncan Munro wrote in message <388188ed....@news.freeserve.net>...
>On 14 Jan 2000 21:32:48 -0600, postm...@triodeel.com (Ned Carlson)
>wrote:
>
Actually, I should be careful what I say as you never know who is
>cruising a.g.a, especially as our muso Prime Minister has been snapped
>taking a black Strat into No. 10...
>
Lee Sebel
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> hypocracy. Just because the Dems stuck together he got off, not because =
> of innocence. As Watergate was brought up, the Republicans were =
> principled enough to bail on Nixon as they should have, he was a creep =
> and abuser of power as is Billy.
> You crack me up! Tell me to stay on topic, then commit the same sin =
> yourself!=20
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> didn't exist as all values are relative.
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> that he lost his moral authority. Something the Demo's never =
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> hypocracy.=20
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> principled enough to bail on Nixon as they should have, he was a =
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> <DIV>You crack me up! Tell me to stay on topic, then commit the same =
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> <DIV>You and Swaggart! What a team! </DIV>
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<joker...@sensewave.com> wrote:
Hmmmm...did they use a combo or a head with cab?
Mm9775
>Date: 1/15/00 9:08 PM Mountain Standard Time
>Message-id: <388132f1...@news3.newscene.com>
>Man, when was the last time YOU were in Chicago, 1970?
It wasn't *that* long ago... Er, not *quite* anyway... although Hound Dog
Taylor was still kicking, and driving around in that old Ford station wagon...
And Willie Dixon's band featured a *new* female vocalist by the name of Koko
Taylor. Hmm, guess it has been a while.
>Nowadays (and, yes, I've served as an election judge),
>you've got cops,feds, pollwatchers (who get official credentials
>and can't be kicked out of a polling place) and State's Attorneys
>watching everything.
Sure, and next, you're gonna be telling me Maxwell St. is gone :-)
>I'm a big fan of Mr. Royko, heck, I used to deliver the Daily News.
>The book is a good book, but it's about Chicago 30 years ago,
>not the 90's.
Me, too. Don't know which I missed more - Royko's columns or Muddy's band. Keep
in mind, if Andrew's gonna enjoy his visit, he's gotta get some sense of the
history of the place, such as it is! Heck, they no longer behead people in the
Tower of London (AFAIK) but that doesn't stop me from wanting to see the place
or know what happened.
I'll admit, you raise many valid points, On the other hand, I've known three
mayors of Cook County municipalities personally. One died awaiting sentencing,
and another is currently appealing his conviction of last year. Good to know
*some* things never change!
>>Wanted: Information leading to the return of my 1977 Ducati 900SS. 1978 MRA
>>Superbike #456.
>
>Nice bike, my sympathies.
>
Thanks. I'll get it back. In the meantime, the 996 is just gonna have to do.
Mike
Monte Barnett
> Monte, your probably the kind of guy that gets out of the shower to
> piss.
Nope, it all goes to the septic system, so it doesn't matter.
> Your previous post stated- "No, it isn't a "big pain in the ass" to
> return the tubes. You simply package them back up the way they came,
> make a label, and pay about 3 bucks to send them back. The way Lord
> Valve works, your"
>
> I think that I shall judge what is and what is not a big pain in the
> ass, and yes I do piss in the shower if it so needs be.
Judge all you want. Your interpretation of the situation differs from
mine. I'll continue to buy tubes from LV, knowing full well that I might
have to return one or two that get knocked in shipping. Lord Valve's
products and service are great. If you don't agree, then buy from someone
else.
Monte Barnett
mbar...@valleyint.com
D. Show
rig tho. My mainstay is a modded Fender amp which began as a deluxe I
believe based on the cabinet size but is pretty much custom other than that.
Mesa Mk III was my main rig before that, still have it but it's easier to
move the combo. D. Show
Peace Love through music
Mark
experience with us.
Alright, who let the grownup in here?
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Barry King
I am a very satisfied repeat customer of LV. He has always given me no
bullshit advice when I have asked for it, and kept me clear of trouble if I
was potentially heading that way. He is a straight shooter and a no BS kind
of person, a trait I appreciate and several people here miss completely for
whatever reasons their fragile psyches cook up. LV swears up and down that
he's an asshole but I disagree. Whatever. He's a conscientous businessman
which is all that really matters. His poor wife has to live with him, not
us ;)
Shipments from LV usually arrive VERY quickly and are ALWAYS carefully
packed. I bet UPS couldn't even damage his shipments. Thankfully he uses
good ole USPS.
The single time I had a problem with a microphonic preamp tube out of
several tubes I have ordered from him -- it happens to everyone -- he
shipped me out a new one without any hassles or grief on HIS dime. LV has
my support as a businessman.
Besides, the solder samples have saved my ass more than once. Whenever I
run out I have to dream up a tube order so as to replenish the supply =)
Barry
D. Show <da...@theriver.com> wrote in message
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> second mortgage here so spend a little spare change and find out what you
> like and then share your experience with us. D. Show
>
Danny Russell
E Booth wrote:
> Just wanted to share a very cool experience I had the other day with Willie
> at NBS electronics. I ordered some new tubes fully expecting when they came
> I could pop open my Naylor Dual 60, pop in the tubes, get them biased, and
> be on my way. Well the tubes came (very quickly, and packed great with
> extras like a pen, FAQ disc, and a solder sample) opened up the Naylor and
> now bias adjustment. So, I figure I'll put in the tubes and get a reading
> and hopefully it will be within the bias range its supposed to be in. Well
> it wasn't, the bias reading was about 15ma higher then the max recommended.
> So, I call Willie and tells me all of my options, one of them being that the
> tubes may be fine with the bias high but I have to take some different
> readings from the amp, something I have never done before, nor had I ever
> planned on it. Willie walked me through the whole process, step by step. I
> probably called him 5 or 6 times and he always made the time to speak to me
> and to help me through what I was doing. Everything turned out great. The
> amp sounds amazing and I learned a hell of a lot from a very patient,
> knowledgeable teacher with a great sense of humor. I have never gotten
> customer service like that and I recommend very highly.
> Does anyone have a schematic for the Naylor Duel 60??
> It would be greatly appreciated or any info you may have.
> All the Best, Eric
> ebo...@erols.com
Unfortunately, one of the problems associated with being dedicated to customer
service, is that occasionally some customer straggles on in, looking for a
fight. It's the old "box you in", no-win-situation ploy. If you've been in
business a while, you can usually smell it right off the bat. Customer gives
you his choice of a couple possible avenues, all of which are dead-ends. You
choose the lesser of all evils which is to not even accept the premise of the
proposed transaction. Customer storms out and tells everyone your a rip-off.
General rule of thumb is that after successfully thwarting a con-slimebag, the
small price you pay is that the con-slimebag walks around telling everyone
you're a con-slimebag. A minor annoyance at best.
Next,
A lot of the Naylors are probably to that point where the Sovtek 5881 power
tubes that the amp originally shipped with are at the point where they need
replacing, and for a change of flavor (upgrade), the Svetlana 6L6GC seems to
work superbly good. Output power of the 60 watt chassis will increase from 57W
to 65W, and the bottom and low-mids are going to bloom stronger and the overall
sound will be a little less granular. Bear in mind that a real 6L6 or a real
5881 needs more negative bias than the Sovtek "5881 / 6L6". Failing to make
this compensation adjustment will result in the fresh set of tubes idling hotter
than they should. This will shorten their life and will make the amp sound
kinda tubby. With the exception of the rare set tubes that fall far off from
design center, the range of the bias adjustment should be able to accomodate
EL-34, Sovtek 5881, 6L6GC, and 6550 types without having to change any resistor
values. The heater winding of the power X-former is speced to be able to handle
the EL-34 and 6550's higher current draw, no worries, however due to shall we
say, mmm... insubordinate decision making, the output sockets on chassis with
serial numbers higher than #00040 (or thereabouts) will need to be rewired in
order to accomodate use of of EL-34 or 6550 types. I think that's all. -Danny
STRINGBEND
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> if it has a green dot on the top or bottom of
>the bottle, and a green dot on the top of the box, I personally
>tested it in my bench rig for noise, hum, and microphonics.
>
I was wondering what that green dot meant...
Hack butchers suck
>
It means the tube works with NBS. del Maximo or otherwise.
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STRINGBEND wrote:
>
> In article <3879845E...@ix.netcom.com>, Lord Valve
> <detr...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
> > if it has a green dot on the top or bottom of
> >the bottle, and a green dot on the top of the box, I personally
> >tested it in my bench rig for noise, hum, and microphonics.
> >
>
> I was wondering what that green dot meant...
So, did you use green because of the particular frequency of the color
spectrum, as they claim with CD's? Or, was it just on sale at Wal-Mart
that day? Or does it relate to traffic cognizance, green means GO? I've
spent too much time thinking about this to let it go now. Will this
appear as a question on "Ben Stein's Money"? And where is Dr. Stereo?
Back in rehab?