Young Man; You are under arrest!!!
CNJJJJJ
pyright_dc_1
There is no end to greed, I'll let this speak for itself..
Well I have to add something. my sons band recorded a CD recently. While it
turns out that definately the studio had NO rights whatsoever to the
recording they still went and put a block on the bands music being
transferred through AudioGalaxy "who complied" and were ranting about suing
and they were losing money??????? The band (who owns the music and
recording copywrite) was transferring music to promote and to close friends.
Well IF the studio were "paid" to press more CD's I guess they would make
more money but somehow I doubt that is gonna happen..... I'm pretty sure the
masters will go somewhere else for the next batch to be pressed.
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Bill
pyright_dc_1
>
> There is no end to greed, I'll let this speak for itself..
>
> Well I have to add something. my sons band recorded a CD recently. While
it
> turns out that definately the studio had NO rights whatsoever to the
> recording they still went and put a block on the bands music being
> transferred through AudioGalaxy "who complied" and were ranting about
suing
> and they were losing money???????
Your gripe is not with the Justice Department's plan to go after
unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material, it is with this "studio"
which is apparently convinced that they have some legal right to
distribution of your son's recording.
> The band (who owns the music and
> recording copywrite) was transferring music to promote and to close
friends.
It is possible to "own" the copyright to one's music while still granting
another party the sole right of distribution. Did your son sign anything to
that effect?
> Well IF the studio were "paid" to press more CD's I guess they would make
> more money but somehow I doubt that is gonna happen..... I'm pretty sure
the
> masters will go somewhere else for the next batch to be pressed.
Unless they actually *do* hold the sole right to distribute the material, in
which case I imagine the masters will stay where they are. What sort of
"studio" are you talking about? A commercial recording studio? A record
label?
Rich Koerner
CNJJJJJ wrote:
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020810/music_nm/music_co
> pyright_dc_1
With all THIS, I fail to see how the ARTIST
Wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Considering that in 90% of the label signed contracts, the label owns
the goodies.
In others words, they have the rights to publish over any band control.
Remember Prince!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He could not even use his NAME. The label OWNED
IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another case point.
Eric had to hand over the copyright to the name Spin Doctors to EPIC, or
there was no record deal!!!!!!
Eric named that band when he put it together.
It's the Labels Fucking BOTH the Consumer, And The
ARTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Matter How This Turn Out, The ARTIST Looses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, the government wants to get into yours/my private personal
computer, to snoop doing the Big Brother trip.
The RIAA just gave the Government it's TICKET To Ride right into your
PERSONAL Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOUR *RIGHT* TO PRIVACY IS BIGGER THAN ANY LABEL HOLDING RIAA
COPYRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is looking like a No Win situation for BOTH the Artists and the
Citizens of the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
================================================================
I really have no love affair with the record labels because they have no
clue what feeding a proper balanced diet to the Music Culture it LIVE
off of.
They are the blight and pestilence on the Music Culture of the
WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No where in the rest of the world did you have the birth of Jazz, R&R,
Country & Western, Fusion, Dixie Land, Bluegrass, Blues, Rock N Roll,
etc.... it is the ARTISTS who gave birth to the music.
NOT THE LABELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's ONLY their Promotion, Distribution, and PAYOLA that made this music
popular to the masses.
With the Internet, who the hell NEEDS Record Labels.
================================================================
We NEED Laws that PROTECTS the Artist and the THEIR Music, that feeds
the Music Culture of the USA.
WE Don't NEED Laws the Favors the Blight and Pestilence on OUR Music
Culture in the USA.
WE Don't NEED Laws THAT further erode the RIGHT to Privacy of the
Citizen of the USA.
================================================================
What we NEED are Laws To PROTECT the Artist's Material from The ABUSES
by the Music Industry!!!!!!
What we NEED are Laws that PROTECTS the Music Culture CREATED by its
Artist Citizens!!!!!!!!
What we NEED are Laws that Make the PROPERITY of the Artist, Non
Transferable to another party!!!!!!!!!
What we NEED are Laws that PROTECTS *ALL* Rights of the Artist who
created the music in the first place!!!!!!
===============================================================
Feel free to forward this to any Law Maker, who CARES about the Music
Culture of the USA!!!!!
Regards,
Rich Koerner,
Time Electronics.
http://www.timeelect.com
Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering,
Music & Studio Production,
Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
mark scialabba
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/
Especially:
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html
An article by Steve Albini about the most common figures in major label
contracts and who gets what money.
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>
Rich Koerner
mark scialabba wrote:
>
> Every one should check out this website:
> http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/
>
> Especially:
> http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html
> An article by Steve Albini about the most common figures in major label
> contracts and who gets what money.
Hey Mark, how good are you at doing battle with the industry!!!!
Want to watchdog a project of mine.
JJ Tash
>With all THIS, I fail to see how the ARTIST
>Wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True. It's just another way for the RC's
suits to make $$$$. Notice how many artists
LOVED Napster and the like, because there
was no other way to be heard by da vast public.
I D/L MP3s and then buy the CD if I like it, or
save music that is long OOP. Live music the
artist/rc doesn't put out. Most artists are not
worried by traders (look at the Dead, who let
fans tape shows, often even giving them both
analog AND digital board feeds), Notice it's
mainly the suits finding ways to own the product.
J Tash
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CNJJJJJ
"Bill" <bwil...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> "CNJJJJJ" <nospyn...@x.coastalnetx.com> wrote in message
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> >
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020810/music_nm/music_co
> pyright_dc_1
> >
> > There is no end to greed, I'll let this speak for itself..
> >
> > Well I have to add something. my sons band recorded a CD recently. While
> it
> > turns out that definately the studio had NO rights whatsoever to the
> > recording they still went and put a block on the bands music being
> > transferred through AudioGalaxy "who complied" and were ranting about
> suing
> > and they were losing money???????
>
> Your gripe is not with the Justice Department's plan to go after
> unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material, it is with this
"studio"
> which is apparently convinced that they have some legal right to
> distribution of your son's recording.
>
Yes I know this.. but it is the point they are willing to go this far.
> > The band (who owns the music and
> > recording copywrite) was transferring music to promote and to close
> friends.
>
> It is possible to "own" the copyright to one's music while still granting
> another party the sole right of distribution. Did your son sign anything
to
> that effect?
>
No they were paid to do masters, no contract to the contrary was signed,
the Assumed they had a legal right and asserted that, or rather tried to
take the rights.May be they just made a mistake as they say.. Damage is
done. I think it has been starightened out but it only shows that there are
many people willing to steal from musicians and if they can get the law on
thier sides it will be up to the musicians to shoulder the burden of proof
plus these companies appear to be willing to side with the Business end
without even seeing if they have any validity to there claims..
> > Well IF the studio were "paid" to press more CD's I guess they would
make
> > more money but somehow I doubt that is gonna happen..... I'm pretty sure
> the
> > masters will go somewhere else for the next batch to be pressed.
>
> Unless they actually *do* hold the sole right to distribute the material,
in
> which case I imagine the masters will stay where they are. What sort of
> "studio" are you talking about? A commercial recording studio? A record
> label?
Its a commercial Studio who claims they are going to be BIG players... They
have NO rights, they were paid to burn a mater and press some cd's. that is
the extent of thier claim, they provided the service with no further
compensation.. They however want to produce and distribute further copies,,
that is questionable at this point after that stunt. Granted they did not
realize it was actaully the band itself transferring files but they should
have not exercised authority they didn't have. since it could be viewed in
the end as "we were only trying to protect you", that was not what they were
saying at first.
>
>
I think Michael Jackson almost did a good thing recently if only he hadn't
tried to make it a racial issue, he could have given the issue of how
musicians are generally treated unfairly by the industry a lot of
credibility, had he done it in a credible manner. now we see they are ( the
recording industry) trying to seize more power over the musician and the
public.
CNJJJJJ
"Rich Koerner" <ri...@timeelect.com> wrote in message
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MBarnett
> I D/L MP3s and then buy the CD if I like it, or
> save music that is long OOP. Live music the
> artist/rc doesn't put out. Most artists are not
> worried by traders (look at the Dead, who let
> fans tape shows, often even giving them both
> analog AND digital board feeds), Notice it's
> mainly the suits finding ways to own the product.
My CD collection has nearly doubled as a result of being able to preview
(prehear?) songs via MP3s. Of course, I've been similarly affected by videos
and televised concerts. (Anyone ever watch "Sessions at West 54th" on Trio?
I've seen several really neat concerts on that channel.) I also have
several hundred albums on vinyl, and it's nice to be able to download MP3s
from several different albums and create my own compilations on CD. I
*could* do the same thing by recording the song from the LP (record album)
onto my computer, then converting and recording to CD, but it's quicker and
easier to use MP3s, and it saves wear & tear on the old vinyl. The MP3
format is certainly not the same quality as the LP record, but for
background listening, mowing the yard, etc., it's good enough.
I've had the pleasure of meeting a fair number of recording artists, and
NONE of them has been opposed to making "personal use" copies of recordings
that I've purchased. I *do*, however, feel that something needs to be done
to protect the financial interests of the artists, and in its present state,
the free exchange of MP3s is too uncontrolled. I'd be interested in an
*accurate* survey of how the MP3 industry has affected sales of recordings.
Based on the sheer number of MP3s available, I'd guess that many of the
people who "trade" and keep MP3s never buy the CD or tape.
Monte
D.G. Devin
>Your gripe is not with the Justice Department's plan to go after
>unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material, it is with this "studio"
>which is apparently convinced that they have some legal right to
>distribution of your son's recording.
There is only one group of people who don't have a gripe with what the fat
cats in the music industry have planned for us all, and that's the fat cats
themselves. If the industry has its way, we'll need their permission to go
to the bathroom. The day they get the legal right to hack into my computer
in search of copyright violations is the last day I buy a CD that puts a
dime of profit in the pockets of the blood-sucking pirates at the labels who
have ripped off artists and public alike for decades.
Miles O'Neal
| I've had the pleasure of meeting a fair number of recording artists, and
|NONE of them has been opposed to making "personal use" copies of recordings
|that I've purchased. I *do*, however, feel that something needs to be done
|to protect the financial interests of the artists, and in its present state,
|the free exchange of MP3s is too uncontrolled. I'd be interested in an
|*accurate* survey of how the MP3 industry has affected sales of recordings.
|Based on the sheer number of MP3s available, I'd guess that many of the
|people who "trade" and keep MP3s never buy the CD or tape.
At my last job, well over half the folks in my dept.
were downloading MP3s. Most of them had hundreds,
played them regularly, and it impacted their buying
only by saving them money - they were ecstatic to
be getting "free" music.
I know this isn't what everyone does, but it did
convince me that everything wasn't as rosy as some
would have us believe.
-Miles
Miles O'Neal
|Well I have to add something. my sons band recorded a CD recently. While it
|turns out that definately the studio had NO rights whatsoever to the
|recording they still went and put a block on the bands music being
|transferred through AudioGalaxy "who complied" and were ranting about suing
|and they were losing money??????? The band (who owns the music and
|recording copywrite) was transferring music to promote and to close friends.
|Well IF the studio were "paid" to press more CD's I guess they would make
|more money but somehow I doubt that is gonna happen..... I'm pretty sure the
|masters will go somewhere else for the next batch to be pressed.
So did they go after the studio?
Lord Valve
Rich Koerner wrote:
> mark scialabba wrote:
> >
> > Every one should check out this website:
> > http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/
> >
> > Especially:
> > http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html
> > An article by Steve Albini about the most common figures in major label
> > contracts and who gets what money.
>
> Hey Mark, how good are you at doing battle with the industry!!!!
>
> Want to watchdog a project of mine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Koerner
Ally yourself with a terrorist. You'll come under the
same scrutiny he will, and he's *definitely* headed
for some. Give this one a miss, or be stupid.
Your call.
Lord Valve
American
CNJJJJJ
>
> So did they go after the studio?
No, but they got them to back off, they are all in thier 20's so I can't
control thier decisions otherwise they would.. They dont want to "make
enemies" they say, and the guy who runs the studio is really a "nice guy"
(irrelavant) so I guess thats the end of it, they don't seem to be as upset
about it as I am but they haven't seem the people get screwed like I have..
I say if they do it once theyll do it again, they say naw it was a 1 time
misunderstanding.. Well the studio is supposed to be run by professionals
who know what they are doing and that is the basis of my negative opinion on
the situation and thier intentions. I would love to name the studio but
have been asked by involved parties not to do so.............but the truth
is if I hadn't butted in the studio would be exercising rights they didn't
have then its the old situation of wrestling them out of the hands of the
studio that doesn't own them to begin with.
Some of you smart guys on here need to run for political office.
mark scialabba
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A lot of people I know also do that. They dont use it to find new records to
buy - they use it to save on buying. I dont think the majority of people do
that though.
I need to be able to look at the cover and read the notes and everything. I
think most people are like that.
Gtski
> > Especially:
> > http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html
> > An article by Steve Albini about the most common figures in major label
> > contracts and who gets what money.
This info and more like it... should be included in the back of every
instruction book,
instruction video, instruction CD, etc.
I should be the "SURGEON GENERALS" or, "U.S. ATTORNEY GENERALS"
'health warning label' for musicians....
Does anyone have any remaining doubt about the record companies FEAR of the
internet...???
Does anybody know the history behind the MUSICIANS UNION .... ?????
It will take time... but a new music 'industry' will emerge... the old
record companies are like
"feed stores"... people are traveling more than ever... they just aren't
using horses. So the
"feed stores" had to become something else... hardware stores.
More music will be 'made'... but who needs the record company...??? Do you
need it...??
If you're reading this... most likely not...
Anybody got a 'defense' for the record companies...??? Why do we need
them...??
Anyone can get a REALLY, REALLY, R E A L L Y... proffesionally produced,
recorded, mixed,
and mastered CD for about $20,000. A band I know just paid this out of
their own pockets.
Anyone will be able to download clips of the tunes and order CD's from their
web-site...
How long before there are major radio stations playing some of these
"home-grown" CD's...
Pssstttt..... some are already...
It's just a matter of time.
The change IS coming... it's happening right now... slowly but surely...
and the record companies are quietly FREAKING OUT.... and trying
desperately to think of ways to keep control of the CASH COW...
gtski
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I know a lot of bands that depend on mp3s and cd burners
to grow their audience. They come into town, play a show,
sell 20 or 30 cd's then go on their way. Next year they come back
to find that thanks to all the file trading and cd burners, they draw
double the crowds AND sell double the cds. I've had bands
GIVE me stuff to spread around.It ain't the working
bands that hate that stuff, it's the multi-millionaire types.
noc10
Among the people I know, it seems like people spend what they
do on new music, the only thing that the mp3s seem to affect is
that they have a way bigger list of things to buy, and a lot of free music
too.
Bert Mingea
> do on new music, the only thing that the mp3s seem to affect is
> that they have a way bigger list of things to buy, and a lot of free music
> too.
Thanks to my discovery of Scott Henderson/Tribal Tech on Napster, I have
purchased EVERY SINGLE product I've ever seen with his name on it. That
includes 2 instructional videos, 14 cds, 2 transcription books, and a book
on chord voicings. There's more out there and I'll buy it when I find it.
Without file sharing and the web I probably wouldn't have bought a bit of
it...I probably wouldn't have even heard of him.
Bert
robert
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A couple of analogies to describe the plight the big labels are
in....A *asteroid* has slammed their world, and being the dinosaurs that
they are, they can try to adapt, try to fight, but their lumbering selves
can not stave off the inevitable.....
The "coal man" guiding his old mule drawn cart from place to
place providing his customers with energy. He's watching poles being set,
wires being strung to all the places he caters to, and thinks it's a fad, a
foolish fancy that doesn't threaten his *real* service.......
There are new ways of doing things, I think the artist will
always need a broker to help him sell his goods. This broker gets a good cut
of the artists proceeds for this service.(They always have) But the method
of showing the products have made a drastic change and the "labels" have sat
on their laurels and thought they were under no threat, and made very little
moves to include themselves in this new market.
Putting their *eggs* in the idea that, "legal means", will crush
this fad. The huge expense of attempting to alter the inevitable course of
change will be the artists that unknowingly or willingly subsidize the
labels in order to prevent a change in the way it's always been.
I might have this totally wrong, but with the advancements made
in recording, artwork, and such, and how the computer plays such a big part
in this, that with a reasonable amount of talent and new type of "broker",
will take the label behemoths as they are now, right out of the equation.
Of course it will be rare to find talent that can do it "all"
themselves, but many "basement" studios can do excellent work, a freelance
publicist can help in getting known, a website "manager" to handle online
services, visual artwork is available. All of this can be as "big-time" as
logistics and resources dictate.
What I'm driving at is the idea of giving away a few tracks
of mp3's to encourage the sale of the balance of a complete works that is
tailored to what the buyer really wants. Just the mp3's at the offered
quality? The CD version(only) of a top quality?(I'm sure a un-copyable
format isn't impossible) The "whole enchilada" with artwork and liner notes?
A DVD version? The music AND concert tickets by RSVP to predict venue needs?
And so on......
The way it works now, a artist has little control of direction
once signed, and bears the bulk of cost of shaping him/her/them into
something that either isn't what they wanted, or is temporarily in demand,
but ultimately on a timeline to obscurity when the immediate value has been
sucked out of them.
Just my opinion ;^)
Cheers,
robert
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I think you're right Robert, the labels have no one to blame but themselves.
They have always treated the art and the artist, as fad, and taken the vast
majority of the money for it. It should come as no shock to them that
artists are jumping onto the alternatives as soon as they can.
noc10
"Bert Mingea" <bert...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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According to the recording artists that I've talked to about this, what you
describe IS the point of giving away the music. It's way cheaper up front
than the usual trade ads, billboards, and radio station swag. And while
only a few select acts get the billboards, anyone can give away some songs.
Bert Mingea
> created the music in the first place!!!!!!
Preach on Rich. Fuck the record companies...burn your favorite artists cds
and send the money directly to the artists.
Bert
noc10
Yessir! send them 5 or 10 bucks, you'd save money and they would make more.