On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:14:33 -0400, TD Madden <tdmadden48...@spam-comcast.net> did courageously avow:
>playtown wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:05:27 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> >> wrote:
>>>Rich Opinion.
>>>They are on their way to being canceled, due to LACK of INTEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Reality: If selling over half a million CDs in the first week is "being >> cancelled" I'd be happy to have some of that... >What's THEIR share of that?
Maybe $1K each after all the leeches take their share.
DGDevin wrote: > I was all set to see posts about what kind of cool amps they would be using > onstage, especially after all the media hype over their big comeback, and > now it might all be scrapped, dang.
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> Dixie Chicks tour struggling in several markets > By Ray Waddell Wed Jun 7, 7:07 PM ET
> NASHVILLE (Billboard) - Initial ticket sales for the Dixie Chicks' upcoming > tour are far below expectations and several dates will likely be canceled or > postoned.
I listen to a lot of Country music. I had been turning off their stuff for a year or two before the dust-up because it seemed the lead singer was rarely on the note, and it grated on my ears. About 10-15% of the top 30 acts I also change the channel, for similar reasons.
If Maines would have said what she did on U.S. soil, it would have been tolerable to me. But she broke a rule by bad mouthing us overseas. Some folks still believe there ARE rules. So Country fans complained when their stuff was then played.
I think the "sales" are based on shipments to dealers. Since the Chicks scored a tie-in with Target Stores, the massive numbers could be skewed by the roll out at the stores. Also, the 25% of those who go with their political views, or others who don't care, must be buying the product.
I saw the video on one of the national cable country channels. The tone of the thing was quite nasty and self-indulgent. They have decided that being political animals is their future, in A/C format land. They have no future in Country.
>I was all set to see posts about what kind of cool amps they would be using >onstage, especially after all the media hype over their big comeback, and >now it might all be scrapped, dang.
I hope it does tank. Maybe the ticket price will come down. I went online to get tickets and the nose bleeds are going for $100.00+. Too rich for me. Still like to go though. Their new cd is pretty good. I don't know if it has any real catchy tune but it's pure DC harmony.
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:05:27 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> > wrote:
> >Rule #1. Artists should *Shut Up* and sing.
> Thank, Stalin. So because they are artists, they have no right to free > speech?
Typical plaything left knee jerk.
The Ditzy Chicks have all the free speech rights the Constitution allows, to the point of them pissing off their fan base.
Which they did.
They, like Linda Ronstadt, found out that audiences who had paid to here them sing, don't appreciate their exercise of free speech rights, presented during a not for free, PAID artist performance.
So now, their fan base has the right and freedom to ignore them all together.
What part of pissing off your ticket paying audience, does the artist not understand.
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:05:27 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> > wrote:
> >Rich Opinion.
> >They are on their way to being canceled, due to LACK of INTEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Reality: If selling over half a million CDs in the first week is "being > cancelled" I'd be happy to have some of that...
I guess then, you'd enjoy being the music industry pimp's talent less whore, as long as you get PAID the bux.
But, when there is no longer a return for the pimp's investment, welcome the trash dumpster.
So,... shut up, and spread 'em,.... to keep the money rolling in, as long as you can.
Just look in the mirror every morning and say over and over, "I'm not a polished turd", when the musical industry's dumpster with your name on it approaches.
Nice thought, ain't it.
You sure, you don't want to reconsider your wishes.
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:05:27 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> >> wrote:
>> >Rule #1. Artists should *Shut Up* and sing.
>> Thank, Stalin. So because they are artists, they have no right to free >> speech?
>Typical plaything left knee jerk.
>The Ditzy Chicks have all the free speech rights the Constitution allows, to the point of them >pissing off their fan base.
>Which they did.
>They, like Linda Ronstadt, found out that audiences who had paid to here them sing, don't appreciate >their exercise of free speech rights, presented during a not for free, PAID artist performance.
>So now, their fan base has the right and freedom to ignore them all together.
>What part of pissing off your ticket paying audience, does the artist not understand.
> I think the "sales" are based on shipments to dealers. Since the Chicks > scored a tie-in with Target Stores, the massive numbers could be skewed > by the roll out at the stores. Also, the 25% of those who go with their > political views, or others who don't care, must be buying the product.
> I saw the video on one of the national cable country channels. The tone > of the thing was quite nasty and self-indulgent. They have decided that > being political animals is their future, in A/C format land. They have > no future in Country.
Cool post, thoughtful (as opposed to many comments from some other folks).
If the music is strong enough then it can survive the politics of the artist, the day when the public would reject an artist because of any kind of scandal seems to be over. For every fan the DC lost over their politics they gained one who was attracted by the fuss, if their numbers are down that much then it has to be the music no longer spinning the public's crank.
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:36:06 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> > wrote:
>>playtown wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:05:27 -0400, Rich Koerner <ri...@timeelect.com> >>> wrote:
>>> >Rule #1. Artists should *Shut Up* and sing.
>>> Thank, Stalin. So because they are artists, they have no right to free >>> speech?
>>Typical plaything left knee jerk.
>>The Ditzy Chicks have all the free speech rights the Constitution allows, >>to the point of them >>pissing off their fan base.
>>Which they did.
>>They, like Linda Ronstadt, found out that audiences who had paid to here >>them sing, don't appreciate >>their exercise of free speech rights, presented during a not for free, >>PAID artist performance.
>>So now, their fan base has the right and freedom to ignore them all >>together.
>>What part of pissing off your ticket paying audience, does the artist not >>understand.
>>Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering, >> Music & Studio Production, >>Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
> Amen Brother. You have the right to sell. And I have the right to buy > or not.
> Wayne
For those that don't the story about the "chicks",
I remember when the "original" band used to play at shopping mall openings, grocery store openings, etc.
They had a station wagon with equipment hanging all over it. That big cactus bass was on top. <<that bass is now at the CowGirl Hall of Fame in Ft. Worth, well worth the price of admission.
Anyway, those lady's worked their asses off<< unlike loud mouth natalie maine, & whether you like that style of music or not, they put in the time & effort to craft their skills.<< unlike natalie maine
When they started getting recognition, up jumped the devil<< natalie maine, spolied rotten cheerleading, conniving bitch that she is. Oh yeah, all mouth too.
The original singer was pushed out. She had fronted the band & helped get them to that point.
The chicks then had some real luck & success with sony nashville.
Then natalie decided since she didn't have a million $$$ in the bank<< that's what she said in an interview, & they were suing. She, being the brain dead airhead that she is, didn't realize that the songwriters make the $$$$. Her$$$$ came from touring.
Sony relented gave some concessions, etc. But low life<< natalie, now started bringing in "CO-Writers" she she could get royalties on top of the rest.
Fast forward. What she said on stage in England was her "right"! But then to "whine" because people objected, was pathetic. Being the spoiled brat she is, she just didn't get it.
Now she has rubbed off on the other 2. That interview they just did, recently was "unfricking" believable. Calling the fans that gave them the $$$ through record sells & concerts, to live a real comfortable life--- Rednecks, and they really didn't care if that type of fan came,shows just how stupid & arrogant they have become.
I have no respect for them anymore. I guess the money & short burst of fame was just too much for them. As much hair dye as they have absorbed into their pea brains, I'm amazed they can even remember how to play.
These 3 airheads are not representative of Texas women.
>> I think the "sales" are based on shipments to dealers. Since the Chicks >> scored a tie-in with Target Stores, the massive numbers could be skewed >> by the roll out at the stores. Also, the 25% of those who go with their >> political views, or others who don't care, must be buying the product.
>> I saw the video on one of the national cable country channels. The tone >> of the thing was quite nasty and self-indulgent. They have decided that >> being political animals is their future, in A/C format land. They have >> no future in Country.
> Cool post, thoughtful (as opposed to many comments from some other folks).
> If the music is strong enough then it can survive the politics of the > artist, the day when the public would reject an artist because of any kind > of scandal seems to be over. For every fan the DC lost over their > politics they gained one who was attracted by the fuss, if their numbers > are down that much then it has to be the music no longer spinning the > public's crank.
Their new CD is pretty good. IMHO. Just wish I could see them live in some reasonably good seats. The seats I can afford would defeat the purpose of seeing them live. Whoever said Natalie sings off key is tone deaf and I'd verture to say not a musicain by trade.
Before they became mega-stars my wife had the opportunity to book them for $5000 for a DMA convention. Now one ticket can go for over $800 here in Austin.
> Illbillies are from tennesee, renecks are from Texas.
In cental TX we have a lot of hills so I call them hillbillies.
> The chicks are dallasites aren't they????? There are more outta staters > living in Dallas than natives. Now how about that!?
Now I know you're not from TX.
Austin is the most un-Texas like city in Texas. Very liberal. The only two counties that voted for Kerry were El Paso and Travis (Austin, the State Capital, is in Travis). What's strange is most everyone hates Bush in Travis county but go just across the county line into Williamson county and you see Bush/Cheney bumper stickers everywhere. They're still proud as peacocks they voted for those lying stupid assholes. So TX is a red state with a blue heart.
I'm not liberal or conservative (I'm more of an anarchist) but I do feel more comfortable in Travis county. Austin is where you'll find more free thinkers hence the reason it's the live music capital of the world.
> Thank god those chicks don't whine like redneckked gitar players.
It's unfortunate Natalie took so much heat for speaking her mind. She gets picked on for being overseas like she made the foreigners hate us. They don't hate us because of Natalie. They hate because we've got a lying stupid asshole for a president.
> > Illbillies are from tennesee, renecks are from Texas.
> In cental TX we have a lot of hills so I call them hillbillies.
> > The chicks are dallasites aren't they????? There are more outta staters > > living in Dallas than natives. Now how about that!?
> Now I know you're not from TX.
> Austin is the most un-Texas like city in Texas. Very liberal.
Blah blah - I have a house in Austin near campus.
The only two
> counties that voted for Kerry were El Paso and Travis (Austin, the State > Capital, is in Travis). What's strange is most everyone hates Bush in Travis > county but go just across the county line into Williamson county and you see > Bush/Cheney bumper stickers everywhere. They're still proud as peacocks > they voted for those lying stupid assholes. So TX is a red state with a blue > heart.
yeah bout like someone dying. My other house is in the reddest county (or why I have a house in Austin too)
> I'm not liberal or conservative (I'm more of an anarchist) but I do feel > more comfortable in Travis county. Austin is where you'll find more free > thinkers hence the reason it's the live music capital of the world.
> > Thank god those chicks don't whine like redneckked gitar players.
> It's unfortunate Natalie took so much heat for speaking her mind. She gets > picked on for being overseas like she made the foreigners hate us. They > don't hate us because of Natalie. They hate because we've got a lying stupid > asshole for a president.
> .
Her remark was reported in Britain and quickly picked up. Right-wing blogs and talk shows vilified the Dixie Chicks as unpatriotic and worse, and the Incident reached the nightly news. On March 12 a Web site statement from Ms. Maines said: "I feel the president is ignoring the opinion of many in the U.S. and alienating the rest of the world. My comments were made in frustration, and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to voice your own point of view." On March 14, 2003, she apologized to President Bush for being "disrespectful" to his office, but added, "I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers' lives are lost."
At the Time 100 party a few days before this interview, the Dixie Chicks performed "Not Ready to Make Nice." Afterward Ms. Maines recounted, the Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly - who has regularly denounced her, and whom she pointedly calls "despicable" - rushed over to greet them. "It's like, 'Just want to say that was great!' " Ms. Maines said. " 'I really like that new song.' "
"And I go, 'But two million tops, right?' And he goes, 'What?' And I said, 'I saw your show when you said we wouldn't sell more than two million, tops.' And he was like, 'Oh, ah, well, two million's pretty good these days, right?' And I was just like, 'Right, yeah. You were saying it in a positive way.' "
Ms. Robison interrupted, laughing. "That's what you call a no-spin zone."
"So then he was just backtracking," Ms. Maines continued. "He says: 'We really respect what you did. And we really respect that you stand up for yourself and blah blah blah. We just wish you would say it over here.' And I said, 'I'll say it over here.' "
The complaint that she criticized the president on foreign soil has been a talk-radio talking point. Ms. Maines dismisses it. "It wasn't like we played 20 shows in America and I was saving up this comment for London," she said. "I was in London when the war was about to start. That's where I said it. I would have said it anywhere, because I didn't think that it was a bad thing to say or a controversial thing to say."
The next day on "The O'Reilly Factor," Mr. O'Reilly acknowledged that Ms. Maines had "chided" him. He mentioned the radio boycott but did not endorse it. "Not Ready to Make Nice" is 'a pretty good song,' he said. 'There's no reason not to play it.'"
Some concert markets are doing well now, such as the July 25 show at Wachovia Center in Philadelphia and the Air Canada Centre in Toronto, where the show sold out in eight minutes.
As of the middle of last week it was the #1 most downloaded song on iTunes.
Senator John McCain grills Cumulus CEO Lewis Dickie for banning the Dixie Chicks from all of his radio stations
June 13, 2006 TOUR UPDATE:
Eight new cities have just been added to the first leg of the North American tour (see tour page). No shows have been cancelled. Some originally-announced late summer concert dates that were going to be put on sale the weekend of June 10 were not put on sale until a final determination is made if they are going to be moved to the fall. More tour details announced as they become available.
but aren't the girls from Dallas? answer: YES The Dixie Chicks formed in 1989 in Dallas, Texas. wikipedia
OK OK T-shirt "Keep Austin Weird" T-shirt "Keep Dallas Pretentious" I heard it from some Dallasites.
>>Illbillies are from tennesee, renecks are from Texas.
> In cental TX we have a lot of hills so I call them hillbillies.
>>The chicks are dallasites aren't they????? There are more outta staters >>living in Dallas than natives. Now how about that!?
> Now I know you're not from TX.
> Austin is the most un-Texas like city in Texas. Very liberal. The only two > counties that voted for Kerry were El Paso and Travis (Austin, the State > Capital, is in Travis). What's strange is most everyone hates Bush in Travis > county but go just across the county line into Williamson county and you see > Bush/Cheney bumper stickers everywhere. They're still proud as peacocks > they voted for those lying stupid assholes. So TX is a red state with a blue > heart.
> I'm not liberal or conservative (I'm more of an anarchist) but I do feel > more comfortable in Travis county. Austin is where you'll find more free > thinkers hence the reason it's the live music capital of the world.
>>Thank god those chicks don't whine like redneckked gitar players.
> It's unfortunate Natalie took so much heat for speaking her mind. She gets > picked on for being overseas like she made the foreigners hate us. They > don't hate us because of Natalie. They hate because we've got a lying stupid > asshole for a president.
And a populace, almost half whom voted for the creep and his cabal of secular,ideological misanthropes.
>> Illbillies are from tennesee, renecks are from Texas.
> In cental TX we have a lot of hills so I call them hillbillies.
>> The chicks are dallasites aren't they????? There are more outta staters >> living in Dallas than natives. Now how about that!?
> Now I know you're not from TX.
> Austin is the most un-Texas like city in Texas. Very liberal. The only two > counties that voted for Kerry were El Paso and Travis (Austin, the State > Capital, is in Travis). What's strange is most everyone hates Bush in > Travis county but go just across the county line into Williamson county > and you see Bush/Cheney bumper stickers everywhere. They're still proud > as peacocks they voted for those lying stupid assholes. So TX is a red > state with a blue heart.
> I'm not liberal or conservative (I'm more of an anarchist) but I do feel > more comfortable in Travis county. Austin is where you'll find more free > thinkers hence the reason it's the live music capital of the world.
>> Thank god those chicks don't whine like redneckked gitar players.
> It's unfortunate Natalie took so much heat for speaking her mind. She gets > picked on for being overseas like she made the foreigners hate us. They > don't hate us because of Natalie. They hate because we've got a lying > stupid asshole for a president.
> Anyway, those lady's worked their asses off<< unlike loud mouth natalie > maine, & whether you like that style of music or not, they put in the time > & effort to craft their skills.<< unlike natalie maine
> When they started getting recognition, up jumped the devil<< natalie > maine, spolied rotten cheerleading, conniving bitch that she is. Oh yeah, > all mouth too.
> The original singer was pushed out. She had fronted the band & helped get > them to that point.
Yeah, that's right, they dumped their original singer, they wanted a more commercially-viable product and a busty blonde was just the ticket, I'd forgotten about that.
> Fast forward. What she said on stage in England was her "right"! But then > to "whine" because people objected, was pathetic. Being the spoiled brat > she is, she just didn't get it.
I'd tend to agree, she has the right to speak her mind, but so do the folks who objected to her remarks for one reason or another. If she can't stand the heat she should stay out of the kitchen.
> Now she has rubbed off on the other 2. > That interview they just did, recently was > "unfricking" believable. > Calling the fans that gave them the $$$ through record sells & concerts, > to live a real comfortable life--- Rednecks, and they really didn't care > if that type of fan came,shows just how stupid & arrogant they have > become.
If they're hoping a more "progressive" audience will support them over the long haul they might be disappointed, liberals tend to switch brands every time a new fad comes along.
I do like that song about bumping off the abusive husband though. ;^)
since when did Real Texans not like spoiled cheerleaders??? What planet you from????
Spoiled cheerleaders are a Texas icon. It's unpatriotice of you to diss a scheming spoilt cheerleader. Hells bells, why our president is a spoilt cheerleader who pushed his way to the top same as Natalie to much worse effect.
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