Founded by amp techs but now spammed by imbeciles

[White Spirit]

If you claim to be an expert but are unable to answer simple questions on circuitry and basic electronics, you might be an imbecile.

If you constantly post off-topic political content that achieves nothing more than making you look foolish, you might be an imbecile.

If you frequently make predictions and none of them ever come true, you might be an imbecile.

If your idea of reasoned debate is foul language and telling people to lick a hospital mop, you might be an imbecile.

If you refer to valves manufactured in Russia and China as 'my glass', you might be an imbecile.

[Flying V]

Not bad--thanks for the laugh!

Of course...the funniest part of all, is that your post is pretty darned accurate.

Mike

[Kaie Fabiaen]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Flying V
<mik...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 24, 2013 5:31:04 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:

>> If you claim to be an expert but are unable to answer simple questions on circuitry and basic electronics, you might be an imbecile.

AND, boyz n girlz..this *IZ* a GUITAR AMP group. Not electronics 101,
so if you don't have a clue about the history/MoJo/biz of the GUITAR
AMP world, then tossing out demanded elect 101 ?s about now useless
IC chips, and demanding answers, makes people look like asswipes.

Also, DEMANDING such answers is stupid. Should I DEMAND you rubes
tell me what Simms-Watts PA cab was endorsed by a VERY famous
UK icon? I know the answer, yet I could care less if any of you do.

And since this IZ a GUITAR AMP GROUP, as far as I am concerned, I
don't have to answer 741 chip math problems. My history beats 98%
of ya's..been there, done it, lived it..GUITAR AMP REALITY HISTORY..

..let alone dealing with rock star icons on the GUITAR AMP level..

...so, shove it up ya ass, and fly to the moon... sideways..

>> If you constantly post off-topic political content that achieves nothing more than making you look foolish, you might be an imbecile.

OH GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK..EVERYONE DOES IT..some less then others..

>> If you frequently make predictions and none of them ever come true, you might be an imbecile.

..I predict your post is a complete joke...

>> If your idea of reasoned debate is foul language and telling people to lick a hospital mop, you might be an imbecile.

..and you losers don't fire back with the same ammo..? p-leas-eee..

>> If you refer to valves manufactured in Russia and China as 'my glass', you might be an imbecile.

Find glass made in the USA..tells us where it is...please..hey, Fritz?

oh wait, I still got crates of GEC UK tubes...it is MY GLASS...

>Not bad--thanks for the laugh!

I thought it was funny too...for diff reasons..

>Of course...the funniest part of all, is that your post is pretty darned accurate.

..which is why you sit in the cheap seats..


JJTj


I am frolicsome, I am easy,
Good tempered and free,
And I don't give a single pin, me boys
What this world thinks of me.



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[Bruce Morgen]

Kaie Fabiaen <the real world.reality.konk> wrote:

>On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Flying V
><mik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, May 24, 2013 5:31:04 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
>
>>> If you claim to be an expert but are unable to answer simple questions on circuitry and basic electronics, you might be an imbecile.
>
>AND, boyz n girlz..this *IZ* a GUITAR AMP group. Not electronics 101,
>so if you don't have a clue about the history/MoJo/biz of the GUITAR
>AMP world, then tossing out demanded elect 101 ?s about now useless
>IC chips, and demanding answers, makes people look like asswipes.
>

Especially the poseurs who
can't answer those rudimentary
questions, but still consider
themselves "experts" when in
fact they are self-glorified
bench techs. Understanding
how guitar amps actually work
*requires* "electronics 101"
knowledge at the very least --
this is not the same as
knowing how to restore the
naugahyde of a 1969 Kustom
bass head or knowing that the
bias adjustment pots of a
certain year of Crate combos
are crap and need to be
replaced; that's typical bench
tech knowledge and teaches
nobody anything about how
guitar amps function or why
one sounds better/worse than
another.

>Also, DEMANDING such answers is stupid. Should I DEMAND you rubes
>tell me what Simms-Watts PA cab was endorsed by a VERY famous
>UK icon? I know the answer, yet I could care less if any of you do.

The fact that such information
is absolutely useless might
figure into why nobody asks or
gives a $hit about it. How an
op amp works in-circuit or why
guitar amps have cathode
follower stages, on the other
hand, are directly relevant to
how many guitar amps function,
and can therefore be useful in
selecting and/or modding actual
guitar amps.

>
>And since this IZ a GUITAR AMP GROUP, as far as I am concerned, I
>don't have to answer 741 chip math problems.

Nobody expects you to answer
those -- they all know your
interest in guitar amps is
mostly limited to nostalgia and
name-dropping, and is therefore
unlikely to help anyone with an
actual amp issue to discuss.

[snipped yet another ludicrous
chest-beating exercise by AGA's
self-styled Ultimate Insider�]

[Thors Hammer]

hey fuckhead! turks and arabs rioting in sweden !!!
cat got your tongue, you sorry idiot ???

thor (reporting from husby/sweden)

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[RS]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:23:07 -0400, Kaie Fabiaen <the real
world.reality.konk> wrote:

>On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Flying V
><mik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, May 24, 2013 5:31:04 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
>
>>> If you claim to be an expert but are unable to answer simple questions on circuitry and basic electronics, you might be an imbecile.
>
>AND, boyz n girlz..this *IZ* a GUITAR AMP group. Not electronics 101,
>so if you don't have a clue about the history/MoJo/biz of the GUITAR
>AMP world, then tossing out demanded elect 101 ?s about now useless
>IC chips, and demanding answers, makes people look like asswipes.

Electronics scarey! Math scarey! Fire scarey!

JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.

Here's the capsule: People say "741" to mean "generic no-frills"
opamp. It does not set a time-frame in the paleolithic era. It -does-
distinguish from even earlier opamps like the 709, which required
external compensation components. It does imply that just about any
opamp will work there, or that it's a general theory question (yeah,
theory scarey!)

If you don't understand that, then stop bitchin' about 741's already.

Second, I already followed up to your original complaint about 741's,
again trying to be nice. I listed a quite a few more modern opamps
that I've used both as replacement and in designs. I listed part
numbers and told you why I used them rather than another part. I
asked about your own favorites.

Your reply? Nothing but your e-boinky boiky weirdness again.

You want to continue being the aga dunce, keep sniping at people on
the merits of your fabricated bygone days as a supposed electronics
wiz.

PS: That was excellent, WS!

[WB]

If you resell Ted Weber kits as original designs you are an imbecile.

If you live in a dilapidated inner city hood behind burglar bars you are
an imbecile

If you claim you know professional guitarists and have repaired their
equipment you might be an imbecile.


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[Les Cargill]

RS wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:23:07 -0400, Kaie Fabiaen <the real
> world.reality.konk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Flying V
>> <mik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 24, 2013 5:31:04 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
>>
>>>> If you claim to be an expert but are unable to answer simple questions on circuitry and basic electronics, you might be an imbecile.
>>
>> AND, boyz n girlz..this *IZ* a GUITAR AMP group. Not electronics 101,
>> so if you don't have a clue about the history/MoJo/biz of the GUITAR
>> AMP world, then tossing out demanded elect 101 ?s about now useless
>> IC chips, and demanding answers, makes people look like asswipes.
>
> Electronics scarey! Math scarey! Fire scarey!
>
> JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
> figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
> something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.
>

There is more to life than Laplace transforms. I appreciate that JJ
does what he does here; let's all agree to get along. So it's
name drop soup? So what?

Just because something is incoherent ( slightly ) does not
make it invalid.

I can't imagine designing a tube circuit these days, unless it's
to support the purchase of all the embarrassment of tube circuits
already in stores. So I'm pretty proud you fellahs want to do that.



<anip>

--
Les Cargill

[nm...@wt.net]

On Friday, May 24, 2013 9:09:05 PM UTC-5, Les Cargill wrote:

>
> I can't imagine designing a tube circuit these days, unless it's
>
> to support the purchase of all the embarrassment of tube circuits
>
> already in stores. So I'm pretty proud you fellahs want to do that.

When I was considering cathode followers, 741 op amps were the
last thing on my mind. I was thinking purely tubes, and using
a tube in the cathode follower circuit.
I don't know how 741 op amps got into the picture, unless they
have become a common device for that purpose in a tube final
geetar amp.

I hardly ever work on geetar amps. Only when one craps out
do I waste my time. I don't really like working on anything
anymore to tell the truth... Particularly automobiles..
Hell, a decade ago, I totally rebuilt my 1968 F-250.. Rebuilt
engine, totally rebuilt all the suspension, king pins, bushings,
steering links, brakes, etc, etc, etc.. It still runs like a
new truck now..
But now.. I have to work up energy just to go out and change the
oil on it.. :/

Ditto with all the radio crap.. Hardly mess with anything
anymore. I used to be working on something all the time.
Used to overhaul a lot of vintage Kenwood hybrid transceivers
at one time. I always liked those.. I still have a gold label
TS-830 and VFO-230.. But I'm too lazy to even turn it on these
days.

Hell, I built my first tube transmitter when I was in the
eighth grade.. It was primitive, but the danged thing worked
the first time it was powered up. Single 6V6 for 40m built on
a Navy surplus chassis.
I used scotch tape to hold the coil together. The tape was still
on the table.. lol.. That was about 1971.

http://home.comcast.net/~nm5k/r2.jpg

Hell, these days, I'd prefer that nothing ever broke, and
everything I own, ran forever and ever and ever with no
maintenance required. :)

And I have no real desire to re-design wheels, when the
ones available seem to roll fairly well. :|

[RS]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:09:05 -0500, Les Cargill
<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

>RS wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:23:07 -0400, Kaie Fabiaen <the real
>> world.reality.konk> wrote:

>>> AMP world, then tossing out demanded elect 101 ?s about now useless
>>> IC chips, and demanding answers, makes people look like asswipes.

>> Electronics scarey! Math scarey! Fire scarey!
>>
>> JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
>> figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
>> something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.

>There is more to life than Laplace transforms. I appreciate that JJ
>does what he does here;

What does he do here?

> let's all agree to get along. So it's
>name drop soup? So what?

Gee, Lester, after being called an 'asswipe' for my taking the time to
meet his previous insulting comments with a courteous reply, you have
a problem with what I've posted? Clue: I tire of being charitable if
I'm being insulted. Humor him if you want. I have no use for his
constant self-promoting unwarranted condescension. I'm a very friendly
person, but that has limits.

Re Laplace transforms: I've spoken of basic pragmatic electronic
knowledge and techniques on aga: How resistors, caps and tubes work.
How circuits interact. I've tried to convey that to anyone who is
interested without ever needing to type the words "integral" or
"derivative." The notion that I post 'elitist book larnin' is more BS
from pretenders who don't know their stuff.

>Just because something is incoherent ( slightly ) does not
>make it invalid.

Find me a couple actual informative and correct electronics posts from
JJ. I -do- have patience for the incoherent, and often find it
entertaining. I -don't- have patience for incoherent and insulting.
That's not a very interesting combination.

>I can't imagine designing a tube circuit these days, unless it's
>to support the purchase of all the embarrassment of tube circuits
>already in stores. So I'm pretty proud you fellahs want to do that.
>
><anip>

I design a lot more than tube circuits. I know the craft pretty well,
but I'm mostly software and some computer hardware design at present.

Still, here's something to remember before dismissing tube design as
simplistic or primitive: There is no one here who understands every
nuance of a simple Fender amp. That includes me. If you think it's
simple, find an old copy of Spangenberg or Valley and Wallman. There
are worlds in there.

And seriously man, of all the ugly stuff on aga, to complain about
what I post? I think you need to take a closer look around.

[Kaie Fabiaen]

>Electronics scarey! Math scarey! Fire scarey!

>JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
>figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
>something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.

Sorry for the gibberish, but I don't need to be gloaded by others
(whomever) into waste of time banter about dinosaur IC chips that
no one uses today unless (a) the have a warehouse full they
need to dump or (b) know someone who is trying to sell said
w/house full of so cheap, they want to pimp them out. It has
been replaced so many times over the decades by better drop
in chips, the 741 is moot. It's like me saying..on topic:

"What makes the VOX AC120 so special, dist wise, and how is
the V<guess the ##> input stage became Hiwatt's bastard's kin ? "

We're not talking 'ICs' here..we are talking GUITAR AMPS...

..and I don't DEMAND others to answer, and I they don't,
have a cheap seat crowd backing me up. Yet the above ?
is ON TOPIC, and so easy to answer..if you is "..kayfabe.."

>Here's the capsule: People say "741" to mean "generic no-frills"
>opamp. It does not set a time-frame in the paleolithic era. It -does-
>distinguish from even earlier opamps like the 709, which required
>external compensation components. It does imply that just about any
>opamp will work there, or that it's a general theory question (yeah,
>theory scarey!)

..anyone using a 709 or 741 except to repair is a complete idiot..

>Your reply? Nothing but your e-boinky boiky weirdness again.

IYHO. Yet *MY* real world GUITAR AMP history doesn't need
you to approve it. The product, how it is used, how it is sold, how
you today as a rube are TOLD it makes yer sound, oh so '..cool..'

..folks like us hire techs with more know how then you or me to make
sure the dots are all lined up, and that is what makes TODAY's amps
crap. They think anyone can do it. We have people who know more
then us, because, rube, we work in the big time, this is NOT a dress
up play day, this is reality, and the assembly lines have to run, the
QC folks approve, and the final (musician) techs have to 'O-TAY'.

AND..jerk, that goes beyond 741's.. Cabs, packaging, dealer
support, UL OK.. Consumer support well after the sale...

..it's called "..the big time.."

>You want to continue being the aga dunce, keep sniping at people on
>the merits of your fabricated bygone days as a supposed electronics
>wiz.

Saddest thing about your post is, those old farts who still control
the MI world, know me, take my calls, etc. Let alone the 'ICON '
'stars' who remember me. OK, my last name makes it easy to
remember, but just yesterday, in email, one did,and remembered
the old days, and gave me his home PH# in the UK. He's on tour
in June. Buy the band's tickets. In Boston, I got b/stage passes..

..like I always do.... Have for decades... "..kayfabe.."

JJTj

[Kaie Fabiaen]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:22:57 -0700 (PDT), nm...@wt.net wrote:

>Particularly automobiles..

Hey, we all getting old. But 'todays' autos are made
so the consumer can NOT work on them. ANYONE
thinking diff is being sold that. My brother and I in
a afternoon could drop a trans, change a head, make the
care run in hours. Try it today. Same with many g/amps.

>Ditto with all the radio crap.. Hardly mess with anything
>anymore. I used to be working on something all the time.
>Used to overhaul a lot of vintage Kenwood hybrid transceivers
>at one time. I always liked those.. I still have a gold label
>TS-830 and VFO-230.. But I'm too lazy to even turn it on these
>days.

I remember those things, think I got one in the 'vault'. I still
have blue-print size schematics for the few Infinity Hybrid
power amps, Condor guitar/wind synths, Powersoaks, & more
that THOSE PEOPLE CALLED ME because I was..well..

..just what is that word.. oh yes.. "..kayfabe.."

See, folks don't understand. Such paper was not sent to
'rubes', but to those who knew reality..were "..kayfabe.."

I consider it a honor I was thought of that way by such ICONS..

Sunn paid me danger $$ to fix their 'Beta' amp mistakes, because
I could walk up to the consumer, fix it, shut them up, end problem.

..ya had to know the "..dirty trick.." and how to "..fix.." it..

..and Sunn, unlike others, paid every time. Great folks..

JJTj




Just want to be misunderstood
want to be feared in my neighborhood
Just want to be a moody man
Say things that nobody can understand

I want to be obscure and oblique
Inscrutable and vague
So hard to pin down
I want to leave open mouths when I speak
Want people to cry when I put them down

I want to be either old or young
Don't like where I've ended up or where I begun
I always feel I must get things in the can
I just can't handle it the way I am

Why am I so straight and simple
People see through me like I'm made of glass
Why can't I deepen with graying temples
Am I growing out of my class

I always feel I should be somewhere else
I feel impatient like a girl on the shelf
They say that I should live sera sera
But I am such an ordinary star

Cool walking smooth talking straight smoking fires toking
Cool walking smooth talking, yeah

Just want to be misunderstood
I want to be feared in my neighborhood
Just want to be a moody man
Say things that nobody can understand

Cool walking smooth talking straight smoking fires toking
Cool walking smooth talking, yeah

Cool walking
smooth talking
straight smoking
fire stoking

...yeah

[Lord Valve]

Information-dense translation: "WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!"

Here, this will help: http://nexua.org/niji/butthurt-form/

TTFN, Mr. Rhinestone Snotbag. Oh, yeah - almost forgot:

NIGGER!


Lord Valve
Expert (fuck you)

[nm...@wt.net]

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:12:30 AM UTC-5, Kaie Fabiaen wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:22:57 -0700 (PDT), nm...@wt.net wrote:
>
>
>
> >Particularly automobiles..
>
>
>
> Hey, we all getting old. But 'todays' autos are made
>
> so the consumer can NOT work on them. ANYONE
>
> thinking diff is being sold that. My brother and I in
>
> a afternoon could drop a trans, change a head, make the
>
> care run in hours. Try it today. Same with many g/amps.

I generally have no trouble working on the modern cars
with puters, etc.. But I do require a manual so I have
all the correct specs. I can't work on them in the dark..
Heck, I was able to repair a Toyota Camry that two private
shops and the dealer couldn't fix. And the dealer had it
for two weeks. And to add insult to injury, they had the gall
to charge $433 to not be able to fix the problem, much less
diagnose the problem to be fixed.
They tried to tell me it had a bad wiring harness. I asked
them how they tested it.. They claimed it couldn't be tested.
Which instantly clued me to the fact that they really didn't
have a clue what they were doing.
I had to drag the car home and check it myself, which only
took about one hour to test every single wire on the harness.

The real problem with the car? Totally clogged with carbon,
to the point that when the engine heated up, the carbon would
expand and keep the intake valves from fully closing.
No compression, no run.. :(

I'm also pretty well up on the various emissions systems,
being I live in a town that has tested for all that crap
for several years.
And again, on a past car, I had to do the "professionals"
work for them, when they couldn't quite get-er-done..
I had a so called "master mechanic" do a bunch of work on
a Chevy Monte Carlo I once had. It failed the test, and
he said the carb needed rebuilt, new TPS, etc..
Which he did, and it was still blowing dirty..
Hummm.. How could this be? He must have told me he was a
"Master Mechanic" at least 30 times... :/

The real problem, which took me to find? The two hoses
to the air pump were backwards.. :|
After I fixed that, the car was burning so clean I liked
to crapped myself when I had it tested the next time and
saw the score.
Hell, my present 2005 Corolla is pretty easy to work on.
Particularly compared to the 1989 Honda Accord I had before
it. It had a feedback carb, zillions of vacuum lines, and
was pretty much a nightmare to work on. The newer Corolla
is much cleaner under the hood.. FI, coil on plug, etc..
Much less to go wrong, and gets much better mpg..
But I've never had to work on it yet.. It's been flawless
so far.. :) It's got about 72K miles on it so far..
Has been like a Timex..

[Kaie Fabiaen]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 08:59:58 -0700 (PDT), nm...@wt.net wrote:

>Hell, my present 2005 Corolla

Randy Z of Mighty Mite and I made up the song, way back then
in Cam/Ca, joking about his Toyota that just would not start up,
and his friend from the band who did the song, loved it, because HIS
Toyota was a POS too. Can't make this up:


<insert bass line here>
MY Toyota
<insert bass line here>
MY Toyota
never start it up, gonna break it up
always piece of junk gonna throw it out..
MY MY MY MY..
<insert bass line here>
MY Toyota




I got to meet Don F while we had lunch on day,
and it was all one big joke, as he had trouble
starting his Toyota..as RZ & I laughed...


..history...

Mighty Mite Pickups were then wound by people at
the Camarilo CA mental hospital that Larry 'wild man'
Fisher was sent to. WHY, you ask..? Because they did a
awesome job of winding, better then machines..& cheaper..

Shove THAT MI history up pin 4 of ya 741 chip...


JJTj



I know you know what you know
but you should know by now that you're not me
Talk about a month of Sundays
Toffee nosed wet weekend as far as I can see

Hey diddle diddle .. the cat and the fiddle
Piggy in the middle
Doo-a-poo-poo

Bible punching heavyweight evangelistic boxing kangaroo
Orangutang and anaconda
Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse...even Pluto too

Hey diddle diddle .. the cat and the fiddle
Piggy in the middle
Doo-a-poo-poo

(Stig is dead, honestly)

One man's civilization is another man's jungle, yeah
They say revolution's in the air
I'm dancing in my underwear...'cause I don't care

Hey diddle diddle .. the cat and the fiddle
Piggy in the middle
Doo-a-poo-poo....Doo-a-poo-poo

Walky talky man says hello, hello, hello
with his ballerina boots
you can tell he's always on his toes
Hanging on a Christmas tree
Screaming like a bogey man getting up my nose

Hey diddle diddle .. the cat and the fiddle
Piggy in the middle
Doo-a-poo-poo...a-poo-poo-poo

This little piggy went to market
This little piggy stayed home
This little piggy had roast beef
and this little piggy had none
This little piggy went.....Woooo!
All the way home

This little piggy went to market
This little piggy stayed home
This little piggy had roast beef
and this little piggy had none
(little piggy had..)
This little piggy went
Woooo! Wooo . . .
All the way home

[Les Cargill]

RS wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:09:05 -0500, Les Cargill
> <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>> RS wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 15:23:07 -0400, Kaie Fabiaen <the real
>>> world.reality.konk> wrote:
>
>>>> AMP world, then tossing out demanded elect 101 ?s about now useless
>>>> IC chips, and demanding answers, makes people look like asswipes.
>
>>> Electronics scarey! Math scarey! Fire scarey!
>>>
>>> JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
>>> figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
>>> something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.
>
>> There is more to life than Laplace transforms. I appreciate that JJ
>> does what he does here;
>
> What does he do here?
>
>> let's all agree to get along. So it's
>> name drop soup? So what?
>
> Gee, Lester, after being called an 'asswipe' for my taking the time to
> meet his previous insulting comments with a courteous reply, you have
> a problem with what I've posted?

Uh, no. Ignore him.

> Clue: I tire of being charitable if
> I'm being insulted. Humor him if you want. I have no use for his
> constant self-promoting unwarranted condescension. I'm a very friendly
> person, but that has limits.
>

I understand, but the thing about hitting yourself
on the head with a ball peen hammer is that it feels good when you
stop...

> Re Laplace transforms: I've spoken of basic pragmatic electronic
> knowledge and techniques on aga: How resistors, caps and tubes work.
> How circuits interact. I've tried to convey that to anyone who is
> interested without ever needing to type the words "integral" or
> "derivative." The notion that I post 'elitist book larnin' is more BS
> from pretenders who don't know their stuff.
>

But underneath it all it all that e-leet book larnin'. I don't
know how you get away from it.

>> Just because something is incoherent ( slightly ) does not
>> make it invalid.
>
> Find me a couple actual informative and correct electronics posts from
> JJ. I -do- have patience for the incoherent, and often find it
> entertaining. I -don't- have patience for incoherent and insulting.
> That's not a very interesting combination.
>

So filter him and move on.

>> I can't imagine designing a tube circuit these days, unless it's
>> to support the purchase of all the embarrassment of tube circuits
>> already in stores. So I'm pretty proud you fellahs want to do that.
>>
>> <anip>
>
> I design a lot more than tube circuits. I know the craft pretty well,
> but I'm mostly software and some computer hardware design at present.
>
> Still, here's something to remember before dismissing tube design as
> simplistic or primitive:

I don't consider it that at all - my comment is directed at the
sheer number of amp choices that are offered these days.

> There is no one here who understands every
> nuance of a simple Fender amp. That includes me. If you think it's
> simple, find an old copy of Spangenberg or Valley and Wallman. There
> are worlds in there.
>
> And seriously man, of all the ugly stuff on aga, to complain about
> what I post? I think you need to take a closer look around.
>

My intent was to provide encouragement, possibly pour a little oil
on the waters.

--
Les Cargill

[nm...@wt.net]

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:27:39 PM UTC-5, Kaie Fabiaen wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 08:59:58 -0700 (PDT), nm...@wt.net wrote:
>
>
>
> >Hell, my present 2005 Corolla
>
>
>
> Randy Z of Mighty Mite and I made up the song, way back then
>
> in Cam/Ca, joking about his Toyota that just would not start up,
>
> and his friend from the band who did the song, loved it, because HIS
>
> Toyota was a POS too. Can't make this up:

Toyota generally makes a great car. It's only when people don't
keep up with them that mayhem can happen. Which really can apply
to any vehicle.
Like I say, mine has been totally flawless since I've had it.
Not a single problem so far. Nada, zip, zilch.
But even if it did crap out, I can fix it.
Hell, I can fix almost anything if I feel so compelled.

>Shove THAT MI history up pin 4 of ya 741 chip...

Huh? I've never used a 741 op amp as a cathode follower,
and did not bring up that device for serious contemplation.
I have used them for other things.. You can build an electronic
keyer using a slew of 741 op amps fer instance..

MI history is a couple of idiots who can't get a Toyota to start,
and then blame their lack of mechanical prowess on a car company?
You are right.. Can't make that crap up.. :/

[RS]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 14:12:48 -0500, Les Cargill

<lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

>RS wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:09:05 -0500, Les Cargill
>> <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

>>>> JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
>>>> figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
>>>> something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.
>>
>>> There is more to life than Laplace transforms. I appreciate that JJ
>>> does what he does here;
>>
>> What does he do here?

Again, what's to appreciate about what JJ does here?

>>> let's all agree to get along. So it's
>>> name drop soup? So what?
>>
>> Gee, Lester, after being called an 'asswipe' for my taking the time to
>> meet his previous insulting comments with a courteous reply, you have
>> a problem with what I've posted?
>
>Uh, no. Ignore him.

How bout you ignore the political crap that's been the downfall of the
group. That's basically what this thread was about.

>> Clue: I tire of being charitable if
>> I'm being insulted. Humor him if you want. I have no use for his
>> constant self-promoting unwarranted condescension. I'm a very friendly
>> person, but that has limits.

>I understand, but the thing about hitting yourself
>on the head with a ball peen hammer is that it feels good when you
>stop...

I don't follow. JJ is not a particularly nice person. He's threatened
people here (talking stuff like sneaking up behind DG and "crippling
him for life" gets creepy.) Screw him. When he posts his frequent
insults or props up his good buddy Valve, I make a point of swatting
him. I don't worry about it and you shouldn't either, Les. When the
major idiots are gone, this could be an amps group again.

Of course I'm trusting that others will have the sense to taper down
the political stuff. There are about a million newsgroups for that.
The level on aga really is about equivalent to alt.fan.rushlimbaugh
with few exceptions.

>> Re Laplace transforms: I've spoken of basic pragmatic electronic
>> knowledge and techniques on aga: How resistors, caps and tubes work.
>> How circuits interact. I've tried to convey that to anyone who is
>> interested without ever needing to type the words "integral" or
>> "derivative." The notion that I post 'elitist book larnin' is more BS
>> from pretenders who don't know their stuff.

>But underneath it all it all that e-leet book larnin'. I don't
>know how you get away from it.

I could teach a normal intelligent person more electronics theory than
Valve or JJ know in probably a day or less. We're not talking in-depth
calculus. Nowadays, I only post common sense backed up with simple
algebra. It used to get way more technical, but this is where it is
now.

>>> Just because something is incoherent ( slightly ) does not
>>> make it invalid.
>>
>> Find me a couple actual informative and correct electronics posts from
>> JJ. I -do- have patience for the incoherent, and often find it
>> entertaining. I -don't- have patience for incoherent and insulting.
>> That's not a very interesting combination.

>So filter him and move on.

?? What's the concern, seriously. I don't get obscene. It's not like
my calling out JJ or Valve for their crudeness and incompetence is
going to upset the balance of aga, is it. You could filter me if that
bothers you, but I don't know why it would.

[Lord Valve]

Reprehensible Suckmonkey minced:

There there; there there.

Here - http://nexua.org/niji/butthurt-form/

BTW...



















































































N I G G E R S !

Lord Vave
Expert (fuck you)

[RS]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 08:55:04 -0400, Kaie Fabiaen <the real
world.reality.konk> wrote:

>>RS wrote:
>>JJ, I was actually trying to be nice to you in the opamps thread. I
>>figured maybe you actually had a coherent useful experience with
>>something electronic, but you trailed off into your usual gibberish.
>
>Sorry for the gibberish, but I don't need to be gloaded by others
>(whomever) into waste of time banter about dinosaur IC chips that

>no one uses today ...

How many times does this need to be explained? 741....is....
a...generic...term! How is it that everyone else here gets this
except the Glory-days Real World Amp History KaeiFabiaen.

> It has
>been replaced so many times over the decades by better drop
>in chips, the 741 is moot.

So which opamps do you like and why? That's not exactly a tough
question, is it.

> It's like me saying..on topic:
>"What makes the VOX AC120 so special, dist wise, and how is
>the V<guess the ##> input stage became Hiwatt's bastard's kin ? "
>
>We're not talking 'ICs' here..we are talking GUITAR AMPS...
>
>..and I don't DEMAND others to answer, and I they don't,
>have a cheap seat crowd backing me up. Yet the above ?
>is ON TOPIC, and so easy to answer..if you is "..kayfabe.."

Well then, kayfabe, go for it. You brought it up, you first. Then
I'll be glad to comment, kayfabe or not.

>>Here's the capsule: People say "741" to mean "generic no-frills"
>>opamp. It does not set a time-frame in the paleolithic era. It -does-
>>distinguish from even earlier opamps like the 709, which required
>>external compensation components. It does imply that just about any
>>opamp will work there, or that it's a general theory question (yeah,
>>theory scarey!)
>
>..anyone using a 709 or 741 except to repair is a complete idiot..

No one needs to use 741's. You don't even need them for repairs! Geez,
read the paragraph right above. Not that difficult to understand.

>>Your reply? Nothing but your e-boinky boiky weirdness again.
>
>IYHO. Yet *MY* real world GUITAR AMP history

>..it's called "..the big time.."

LOL! So...post about what you use instead of 741's or why the AC120's
distortion is so cool.

[RS]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:21:10 -0600, Lord Valve
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>RS wrote:
>
>> And seriously man, of all the ugly stuff on aga, to complain about
>> what I post? I think you need to take a closer look around.
>
>Information-dense translation: "WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!"
>
>Here, this will help: http://nexua.org/niji/butthurt-form/
>
>TTFN, Mr. Rhinestone Snotbag. Oh, yeah - almost forgot:
>
>NIGGER!
>
>Lord Valve
>Expert (fuck you)

The downward spiral continues.

I'm curious about something. Those repairs that sit around your shop
gathering dust while you're busy typing madly every day... I've been
hearing about you keeping people's gear for months, a year, two
friggin' years!? What's the record? Two years about tops before you
get the stuff fixed?

Good thing you can drive speakers with a 741, eh? The poor guys who
trusted you with their amps can keep their gigs by plugging their Tube
Screamers directly into their speaker cabs.

[RS]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 20:22:57 -0700 (PDT), nm...@wt.net wrote:
>

>When I was considering cathode followers, 741 op amps were the
>last thing on my mind. I was thinking purely tubes, and using
>a tube in the cathode follower circuit.

It depends on what you need to drive with them. If it's an external FX
loop, then you're going through solid state circuitry anyway, so
there's no sense trying to stay tube purist at that point. (You can
still keep the direct path all tube). Of course you'd need to scale
signal voltages and provide the opamp supply, but that's relatively
easy.

>I don't know how 741 op amps got into the picture, unless they
>have become a common device for that purpose in a tube final
>geetar amp.

According to some, they evidently have! The 741 thing got started
when I was explaining why cathode followers are not great for driving
low impedances. My example was that the low output impedance does not
survive under load, like a 741 will present an impedance near zero,
but you wouldn't drive a speaker with it.

But apparently that's wrong, cause Valvie and pet eel loudly
proclaimed that you can drive speakers with a 741! Eeehaw! The notion
of mosquito farts as viable tone is pretty funny stuff. I'll get
around to explaining the follower thing in more detail eventually.
That thread spiralled into electro-comedy.

Anyway, in a nutshell, a driver has to source current when the output
is positive and sink current when it swings negative. That current
will depend on the impedance that it's driving. Simple physics.

Consider what happens when the follower tube approaches cutoff. The
only thing available as a pull-down on the driver side is the 100k (or
whatever) cathode resistor. There's nothing to supply the current. And
even on the positive swing, a 12ax7 has its limits as a current
source. So with a low impedance load, where does the current come
from?

Most websites and net-wisdom get that wrong, so it's 'common
knowledge' that 12ax7's can magically drive 600 ohm loads, despite the
fact that the components can't source or sink the current.

[Lord Valve]

In article <51A0BAC6...@ix.netcom.com>,
Lord Valve <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Lord Valve
> Expert child-rapist and murderer.

Hey Willie, how many children did you rape and murder this week?

Lord Valve
Diarrhea Expert

[RS]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 20:05:37 -0600, Lord Valve
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Reprehensible Suckmonkey minced:

Not bad! Not funny quite yet, but still better than your usual.

>> ?? What's the concern, seriously. I don't get obscene. It's not like
>> my calling out JJ or Valve for their crudeness and incompetence is
>> going to upset the balance of aga, is it. You could filter me if that
>> bothers you, but I don't know why it would.
>
>There there; there there.
>
>Here - http://nexua.org/niji/butthurt-form/
>
>BTW...
>
>N I G G E R S !
>
>Lord Vave
>Expert (fuck you)

So...what happens when your 'amp designs' (shudder, cringe) fail, as
is probably inevitable. Do your customers have any chance of getting
them fixed without waiting months or years? (Two years? That still
seems unreal...WTF.) Will you be able to stop typing about scarey
arabs for an hour or two and fix the damn things?

[RS]

>On Sat, 25 May 2013 08:55:04 -0400, Kaie Fabiaen <the real
>world.reality.konk> wrote:

>>IYHO. Yet *MY* real world GUITAR AMP history

>>....it's called "..the big time.."

BTW, I was trying to imagine what your real life resume would look
like. When you hand it to people in those 'big time' R&D labs, do
they manage to control themselves? "Kay fabe" and "Living the GUITAR
AMP REALITY HISTORY!" mentioned anywhere?

[RichL]

"RS" <R...@sorrynospam.com> wrote in message
news:rga3q8tortt56uv5c...@4ax.com...

Better yet are those mysteriously unlocatable "MI patents", crafted in some
alternative universe unconnected to the USPTO database.

[RS]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:27:07 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

You gotta have a lot of connections and influence to keep patents
invisible like that, given that it's sorta contrary to the whole point
of the patent system. Can you imagine having patent claims rejected,
and the examiner says "we can't disclose the prior art--we can only
tell you...it's called the big time."

Strangely enough, 'kayfabe' came from the (fake) "pro wrestling"
circuit. It was some kinda code word for the manufactured back-stories
and pretend world that viewers were supposed to believe.

Ironic, eh?

[Bruce Morgen]

I'm guessing one too many
"flying elbows from the top
rope" have a taken their toll
on his technical acumen and
communications skills -- but
he still gets "comped" when
the WWE circus comes to town.
:-)

[Luigi Vercotti]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:19:48 -0400, RS <R...@sorrynospam.com> wrote:

>You gotta have a lot of connections and influence to keep patents
>invisible like that, given that it's sorta contrary to the whole point
>of the patent system. Can you imagine having patent claims rejected,
>and the examiner says "we can't disclose the prior art--we can only
>tell you...it's called the big time."

You can dream up whatever you want, but..oh well, it's
not worth even explaining to losers like you. My Patent lawyers
control things, and thank God, the checks still keep a com'ing.

>Strangely enough, 'kayfabe' came from the (fake) "pro wrestling"
>circuit. It was some kinda code word for the manufactured back-stories
>and pretend world that viewers were supposed to believe.

You just proved you have no clue what are talking about.

..sort of a '741' level of know how. I expected nothing less
from you. While you do know yer electronics, you are a
complete rube/mark/joke in all other areas. 1st class too.

But hey, thanks for playing, make sure you buy a t-shirt
on the way out. You have no idea about the wrestling
world except what you may see WWE (puke) play times..

..dance, RS..dance... I suggest that before you pretend to
have a clue about it, maybe check out the real thing:

http://www.crowbarpress.com/index.html

I suggest you start with Ole's book. He's not
only a great guy, but knows reality about the biz..

oh wait..you are afraid of reality...

Sorry..my bad.. I thought you were 4 real..

[Lush Budget]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:37:27 -0400, RS <R...@sorrynospam.com> wrote:

>BTW, I was trying to imagine what your real life resume would look
>like. When you hand it to people in those 'big time' R&D labs, do
>they manage to control themselves? "Kay fabe" and "Living the GUITAR
>AMP REALITY HISTORY!" mentioned anywhere?

hehehehehe

That's what makes such posts so funny...

I read other's resume(s) and decide on them..

..My name alone is my calling card..and it opens
doors if I want to knock on them. I don't knock if
not needed, and if someone needs to contact me,
they know my history. Decades of icons who today
know me by name. We do biz at levels rubes like
you deal with when we are plan'ng our next move(s).

JJTj


"..I can't hear you, I have your
..$$$$ stuck in both of my ears..."




. . . Well, it's about time to close ....

I hope you've had as much fun as we have.
Don't forget the jam session Sunday . . .
MANDY TENSION will be by,
playing his xylophone troupe.

It's really been a lot of fun.

Monday night is the dance contest night:

THE TWIST CONTEST

..we're gonna give away...
peanut butter & jelly & baloney sanwiches
...for all of ya.

IT REALLY HAS BEEN FUN.

I hope we've played your requests . . .
... the songs you like to hear .

LAST CALL FOR ALCOHOL!

Drink it up, folks.

Wonnerful.

Nice to see you, Bob . . .
how's it goin'? How's the kids?
Wonnerful. Nice to see ya.

Yes. BILL BAILEY? Oh . . .
...we'll get to that tomorrow night.

Yeah.

CARAVAN (with a drum sola)?

Right. Yeah . . . we'll do that.

Wonnerful.
Nice to see you again.
Yeah.

LA LA LA LAH-H-H-H!
DOWN AT THE POMPADOUR A-GO-GO
LA LA LA LA LAH-H-H-H!
VO DO DEE OH PEE PEE
SHOOBE DOOT-N-DAH-DAH-DAH
YA DA DA-A-A-A-H-H-H-H-H!
NA NYA DA DA DA DA DAH-H-H-H-H-H!

Nite all.

[thumper]

On 5/24/2013 12:51 PM, Bruce Morgen wrote:
> Kaie Fabiaen <the real world.reality.konk> wrote:

>> And since this IZ a GUITAR AMP GROUP, as far as I am concerned, I
>> don't have to answer 741 chip math problems.
>
> Nobody expects you to answer
> those -- they all know your
> interest in guitar amps is
> mostly limited to nostalgia and
> name-dropping, and is therefore
> unlikely to help anyone with an
> actual amp issue to discuss.

That guy again... ask him about heat sinks glowing red, he's a hoot.

[RS]

Right! Yeah, that was another JJ classic. I think you missed a couple
in the interim. Good to see you, T.