Learning from scratch
Alistair
I apologise if this is too close to "spam" and offends anybody.
My wife is a fairly good artist and regularly sells pastel landscapes
through local galleries. She can't make a full time
living at it though. She has been trying to learn more about computer
graphics, especially Photoshop, in the hope of increasing her
"marketability" and perhaps teleworking from home as an artist.
Although she has been playing around with Photoshop for some months now
and has been given a couple of lessons on it by much more experienced
computer artists she is not really making much progress.
The problem is that she has nothing to really "do" with it. She draws a
few doodles for herself but has no real reason to get into the heart of
the programme and find out what it can do.
Can anyone suggest little projects that she could do which would give
her a
reason to really get started learning the programme. She has the
books and tuition CD's but no real ideas to work on.
I am not looking for commissions - she is some way from that yet - just
ideas which would push her into learning how to do things on it.
Thanks
Alistair
aptavius
for anyone to go about learning, working or profiting from anything for that
matter.
If your a member of a community and perhaps have churches, schools, colleges
around maybe she'd be better off posting a notice on a physical bulletin
board that she's looking for beginning to intermediate skilled people with
experience in Photoshop willing to start a civic club for educational and
creative purposes.
Sounds like that would be a good "hook-line-and-sinker" job to me.
That's the kind of problem people encounter. They buy a computer and
software without first evaluating their needs and wants. Another sad
statistic I'm afraid to say.
aptavius
Alistair <Alis...@alimo.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7o2blo$9oc$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
todd young
the books available and go through the tutorials...Photoshop 5 for Dummies
is a good one...there are several..some more complete than others...also try
a local community college or university classes are normally inexpensive and
ya get those nifty college credits..:)...tell her to keep at it...tell her
to try making a collage from downloading pics from the internet...get a feel
for the tools...play with the filters...go crazy...hey..she can make
everyones christmas presents this year in Photoshop!!..:)...
Dark Mouse
> Can anyone suggest little projects that she could do which would give
> her a reason to really get started learning the program. She has the
> books and tuition CD's but no real ideas to work on.
Could your wife please paint me a flower? Tee hee. Just kiddin' : )
Actually I quite agree with Del Tree that maybe she is trying to use the
wrong tool to paint with. If you had asked this question a month or two ago
I couldn't recommend much. Metacreations Fractal Design Painter is a really
great program. That's the one Del Tree suggested. But sadly it is much
harder to learn than Photoshop. I do have a recommendation that may spring
your wife's interest to life.
You should download a new plugin for Photoshop called DEEP PAINT. It is so
easy to use and paints like natural media but also gives a lot of pleasures
and perks of digital painting. It is free for fifteen days trial and after
that it costs something like two hundred bucks. This is cheaper than
Painter though. Plus it keeps her attached to Photoshop and going back and
forth between the two may help her gain an interest in Photoshop's powerful
abilities to enhance her natural media style art. Deep Paint has a
Photoshop style interface and uses layers. Layers are key to understanding
Photoshop. I should mention Deep Paint works as a stand alone program as
well.
Let me share something one of my teachers told me. J. Silke is a well
known and respected fantasy, glamour and comic book artist. He told the
students,"Look, I see a lot of young guys in this room. If what you like to
draw right now is a lot of sexy naked women DO THAT! Draw whatever you
like. Don't feel embarassed about it. I don't care how disgusting it is.
Draw anything that keeps you engrossed in what you are doing. Sooner or
later you are going to get bored of drawing the naked women and in between
you are going to do some serious stuff." There are a lot of great Photoshop
artists who started with Photoshop who won't admit this it but I will. I
spent my first couple years in Photoshop trying to fix the color on crummy
pictures of naked chicks I downloaded from the internet. Why? because I
can look at naked women for hours on end. And any time I am teaching a
young guy Photoshop I will give him that same advice. I learned so much
trying to take the bra off of Sandra Bullock. One thing I learned is I can
paint very realistically in Photoshop without even using a photo. And I
learned my teacher was right. I eventually outgrew that and finally got one
of my serious life drawing pictures posted as student art of the month. And
I painted it in an oil paint style in Photoshop.
How in the world does that seedy story relate to your wife? I doubt
your wife has the same interests as I did. And you probably don't want her
erasing the blue jeans off of Mel Gibson's butt for hours on end. But what
we do know about your wife already is she enjoys painting nature and the
world around us in natural media. We know Photoshop can't paint that way and
she has no interest in learning what Photoshop can do. So maybe you have to
try something that lets her do what she likes. Screw learning Photoshop in a
direct way for now. Put it on the back burner. You can try Deep Paint and
Painter for free and if she doesn't get into one of these right away she
maybe is not going to enjoy digital painting...at least not for a couple
years.
One important thing you didn't mention in your list of things she has is
a digital drawing tablet...especially a Wacom tablet. If she doesn't have a
pen, its no wonder she is bored with the progam. Hopefully that is not the
case. I can't help but think how pathetic that picture is of your wife
sitting in front of the computer trying to draw a beautiful flower with a
mouse and thinking she is a failure at digital art.
Deep Paint free download is at Righthemisphere.com (i think) and Painter is
at Metacreations.com. Good luck. But it isn't the end of the world if she
never gets into it.
Dark Mouse
Del Tree
Not at all. I don't usually respond to posts like yours, but your
intelligent missive has emboldened me to "tell it like is"
I sincerely hope that my candour will not offend you. :-)
>
>My wife is a fairly good artist and regularly sells pastel landscapes
>through local galleries. She can't make a full time
>living at it though. She has been trying to learn more about computer
>graphics, especially Photoshop, in the hope of increasing her
>"marketability" and perhaps teleworking from home as an artist.
I fear you will not like what I have to say, and I dare say your wife
will like it even less... though who knows, she may be quite happy to
escape the computer!
>
>Although she has been playing around with Photoshop for some months now
>and has been given a couple of lessons on it by much more experienced
>computer artists she is not really making much progress.
I am not surprised. Photoshop was originally designed to be "A digital
darkroom" not an artist's canvas. Others may take a different view but I
believe that still *IS* it's raison d'être for the vast majority of
professional users (of which my company is one).
It also has an extremely steep learning curve and it's most powerful and
productive features are only mastered through long practise and
experience. We are talking years here... not months!
>The problem is that she has nothing to really "do" with it. She draws a
>few doodles for herself but has no real reason to get into the heart of
>the programme and find out what it can do.
"Getting into the heart of the programme" as you put it requires
considerable training, dedication and perseverance. This site is
constantly inundated with elementary questions from users who either
cannot be bothered to learn the hard way (as I did!) by constant study
and practise or appear to believe that the manual is only useful as a
door-stop! Sadly everyone wants everything *NOW* nowadays and this
apparently extends to becoming a Photoshop "expert" in a week, or a
month! It simply cannot be done! :-)
Equally, I am even less surprised that your wife can find "nothing" to
do with it! As an artist and illustrator myself who earned a very good
living for over 15 years doing commercial illustration and airbrushing
I feel for her dilemma. In my case, my training as a Graphic Designer
allowed me embrace this technology (very late I have to say) and begin
the long and arduous process of re-learning my job from scratch - to
misquote your header! It was not easy. But in my case the choice was
between giving up a profession I had practised successfully for over 20
years or biting the bullet and learning how to do it all digitally.
In other words, when one's very livelihood is at stake it tends to
concentrate the mind rather sharply! But is your wife in this position?
I can think of at least half a dozen fellow artists, some of whom are
extremely talented who are now either retired or working in Tesco's!
If your wife is under no financial pressure to earn a living from her
artistry I would think that her time would be better spent improving her
existing analogue skills and looking for an Artist's Agent to promote
her work. Whilst the bottom dropped out of analogue commercial art long
ago, that is not true of fine art. Admittedly it is a fickle market
where who you know and where you are seems to count for more than what
you can do, but it was ever such. I firmly believe that a determined
individual will succeed if they are determined enough.
On the other hand, if she wishes to learn Photo-retouching and image
manipulation, which is primarily what Photoshop is used for
professionally then I can confirm it is possible to make a very good
living at it. However these skills are not necessarily those of a
trained artist, though being an artist undoubtedly helps, witness the
endless posts here on topics like creating realistic "water drops" or
convincing cast shadows, lighting effects, etc, all of which an artist
knows how to achieve instinctively on paper and which Photoshop can
mimic. The skills are the same, only the tools to execute them have
changed. So an artist, or a photographer can have a "head start" in
Photoshop, but even they have to learn to use totally new, and to an
artist, totally alien tools!
The best way to develop these skills is to try to obtain commissions
from Design Studios or Printers who do not have the necessary expertise
to do it themselves. If your wife were to start off in this small way,
learning as she goes (she doesn't have to tell the clients that!) and
charging accordingly (i.e. modestly) she should get some work.
Typical projects might include placing objects and people into different
backgrounds, manipulating images of products to add or remove certain
details, and all manner of "morphing" effects where one object changes
into another. This is the strength of Photoshop. The ability to
manipulate, distort, augment and alter images to create visual effects
that could only be produced with much labour and difficulty by
traditional means. It's also the reason why highly skilled Photoshop
artists (of which the writer is *NOT* one!) command very high fees and
why their traditional peers have been thrown on the scrap heap.
Who wants a traditional illustrator whose work cannot be easily altered
without starting over when the same job can be done in a fraction of the
time and changed ad infinitum?
>Can anyone suggest little projects that she could do which would give
>her a
>reason to really get started learning the programme. She has the
>books and tuition CD's but no real ideas to work on.
I think I have - provided that your wife wants to pursue a career as a
commercial digital artist. If she does not, then let her stick to her
traditional tools and concentrate on marketing herself and her work.
I have to say that I believe Computer graphics software is increasingly
used for quite inappropriate tasks. People go to inordinate lengths to
create effects that can be accomplished traditionally in a fraction of
the time. A lot of this is simply due to the fact that the people using
this software are not artists and to be frank, cannot draw to save their
lives! So they rely on the software to do it for them. But the software
is not intelligent, neither can it supply the lack of basic drawing
skills and an understanding of light and colour.
For a talented artist to turn to an application like Photoshop to
produce a soft pastel illustration or a subtle watercolour landscape is
rather like learning how to fly an aeroplane because they want to get to
the shops!
Don't misunderstand me. There are undoubtedly artists using Photoshop,
and more using applications like Metatools "Painter" which is far better
suited to an artist than Photoshop, and some of them are extremely
talented, but they have taken *YEARS* to get there, and their work is
almost always commissioned by the commercial sector, not the private
buyer.
>I am not looking for commissions - she is some way from that yet - just
>ideas which would push her into learning how to do things on it.
Well... I hope this has at least helped to explain both the pitfalls and
some of the options open to your wife.
Good luck :-)
--
Del Tree
Jason A. Scholl
another -- he just has very little tolerance for newbies now. If people
didn't just jump in and try to do something they thought would benefit them
in the long run, they would lead pretty pathetic lives.
If your wife is used to working in natural media she might enjoy using the
program Painter more than Photoshop to make art. As far as branching out to
use Photoshop, maybe she could scan some of her original art or have her
slides scanned, and play around with the digital versions of her own art. I
would also recommend low-cost community college classes for people who are
"trying" to get into using Photoshop -- it will give her an idea of the
scope of the software and some projects to use it on, and if she really
isn't getting the hang of it, then no big loss. You never know -- she might
hate it until she figures out that one good reason to use it.
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In article <7o2blo$9oc$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Alistair"
<Alis...@alimo.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I apologise if this is too close to "spam" and offends anybody.
>
> My wife is a fairly good artist and regularly sells pastel landscapes
> through local galleries. She can't make a full time
> living at it though. She has been trying to learn more about computer
> graphics, especially Photoshop, in the hope of increasing her
> "marketability" and perhaps teleworking from home as an artist.
>
> Although she has been playing around with Photoshop for some months now
> and has been given a couple of lessons on it by much more experienced
> computer artists she is not really making much progress.
>
> The problem is that she has nothing to really "do" with it. She draws a
> few doodles for herself but has no real reason to get into the heart of
> the programme and find out what it can do.
>
> Can anyone suggest little projects that she could do which would give
> her a
> reason to really get started learning the programme. She has the
> books and tuition CD's but no real ideas to work on.
>
> I am not looking for commissions - she is some way from that yet - just
> ideas which would push her into learning how to do things on it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alistair
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jim
>The problem is that she has nothing to really "do" with it. She draws a
>few doodles for herself but has no real reason to get into the heart of
>the programme and find out what it can do.
>
>Can anyone suggest little projects that she could do which would give
>her a
>reason to really get started learning the programme. She has the
>books and tuition CD's but no real ideas to work on.
I had two short college level classes at a community college, and harp
about it at any excuse - you get ideas just watching others! Not only will
a class or two bring your wife up to speed on using the program, but the
other students are bound to try things that will inspire her.
Also, someone mentioned the Wacom tablet. I have a decent-sized tablet with
a 6x8 drawing surface - get that size. The "pen partner" is a toy, and a
tablet larger than mine is cumbersome and expensive, though mine wasn't
cheap.
--
Jim
"Yes, my e-mail address is valid, it just doesn't look valid"
Shanahan, Ian [Amek UK]
those that use analogue media) get too hung up on the 'Computer'.
Painters can use oils or water colours or pastels or whatever (I once
saw a picture done in dung) and all these media require different
techniques and disciplines even though they're all called 'painting'.
It seems to me the best approach is to look at digital art they same way
you'd look at a type of paint you've never used before. Classifying
Photoshop work as a separate to your wifes other stuff is bound to cause
obstacles before you've even started.
I used to worry that I wasn't using some of the features in Photoshop
the 'right' way, but I don't do that anymore. After all there's no
'right' way to paint. And finding your own way you might discover
something the 'traditionalists' missed.
It's one thing to work in a bureau where you have to acheive a fixed
result in a limited time, but if you've got the freedom use it.
Express yourself, man. (Or woman, I mean).
> ----------
> From: Alistair[SMTP:Alis...@alimo.freeserve.co.uk]
> Posted At: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:43 PM
> Posted To: photoshop
> Conversation: Learning from scratch
> Subject: Learning from scratch
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I apologise if this is too close to "spam" and offends anybody.
>
> My wife is a fairly good artist and regularly sells pastel landscapes
> through local galleries. She can't make a full time
> living at it though. She has been trying to learn more about computer
> graphics, especially Photoshop, in the hope of increasing her
> "marketability" and perhaps teleworking from home as an artist.
>
> Although she has been playing around with Photoshop for some months
> now
> and has been given a couple of lessons on it by much more experienced
> computer artists she is not really making much progress.
>
> The problem is that she has nothing to really "do" with it. She draws
> a
> few doodles for herself but has no real reason to get into the heart
> of
> the programme and find out what it can do.
>
> Can anyone suggest little projects that she could do which would give
> her a
> reason to really get started learning the programme. She has the
> books and tuition CD's but no real ideas to work on.
>
Carsten J. Arnholm(sr)
Del Tree wrote in message ...
>I am not surprised. Photoshop was originally designed to be "A digital
>darkroom" not an artist's canvas. Others may take a different view but I
>believe that still *IS* it's raison d'être for the vast majority of
>professional users (of which my company is one).
Exactly. And a very good digital darkroom too. In my opinion (from the point
of view of the photographer) that is what PS is good at, and, conversely, it
is not a drawing program.
>It also has an extremely steep learning curve and it's most powerful and
>productive features are only mastered through long practise and
>experience. We are talking years here... not months!
Actually, the steeper the learning curve, the more intuitive the program is.
The learning curve of PS is not steep, as it is supposed to take a long time
to make much progress! I accept however that "the steep learning curve" has
become a (counterintuitive) figure of speech.
One might add that as PS is a digital darkroom, it helps a lot to have
theoretical knowledge and practical experience as a photographer and
(traditional wet) darkroom worker. With good scanners and printers we are
coming close to what is produced by traditional photographic methods.
Whether it would be a good idea for Alistair's wife to have her pastel
landscapes scanned for subsequent manipulation etc. in PS and printing I
leave to him and her. Theoretically, she might be able to produce many copies
of those landscapes.
Carsten J. Arnholm(sr)
Oslo, Norway. carn...@online.no
Alistair
make at the same time yet keeping it all to a few brief paragraphs???
Can I just say one big inclusive "Thank you" to you all rather than
take up your time with many individual ones.
Aptavius made sense when he suggested local and community charities and
organisations. That was suggested to us already on a local newsgroup and
there are voluntary centres in a nearby town which would have some
information on these.
Todd, Jim and Jason suggested college courses. We had a problem with
these. Morag went for a year to the local small-time college and did
representational illustration and design. The other students had come
into the college from school and knew how to use the class computers.
Morag (a thirtysomething) did not. One of the art department lecturers
took her down tothe computer department and asked for her to be given
some introductory training. The computer guy sat her in front of a
computer and told her to work with it for a while. He went off for a
coffee and a chat with his mates and never came near her in two hours.
She got the thing hung up, felt flustered and embarrassed and never went
back to him again. She felt he was put out at being asked to show her
how to use it.
So over the next year I tried THREE other colleges including Duncan of
Jordanstone one of Scotland's major art and design centres. Each one
said exactly the same. "Come in and show us your portfolio and I am sure
we can help you" then "Oh. You are already producing work beyond what
our fourth year students are doing. I don't think it would help you to
come to us now"
This was encouraging in some ways but meant that she was constantly
being turned away from the training she was asking for. We also recently
spoke to someone who did get onto a Photoshop evening class last winter
and they said they were disappointed because they did very little
Photoshop and quite a lot of "This is how to draw..." That ties in with
what Del - and Morag - said. There are a lot of people out there who
rely on clip art, etc to cover up that they can't draw - but they can
manipulate what someone else has drawn for them.
A special word for Del who took time to compose a lengthy message and
really just confirmed what many of you in "traditional illustration"
have found. A whole generation of "non-artists" are working on computers
to produce art now and it makes it so much harder for the rest of you to
make living. The one slightly encouraging thing I hear is that art
directors are getting fed up with "samey" computer output and are
beginning to look for original "style" again which might help some
individuals who can actually produce ORIGINAL freehand artwork before
they start to manipulate it. Morag agrees with so much of what Del says
so Thank you for that contribution.
Dark Mouse came away with some good points for us as well. "Paint what
you like" is so important for any artist. Morag is painting the inside
of a jute factory at the moment as part of an industrial art project.
She "wants" to paint the light glancing of the big wool sacks in the
warehouse, the company want her to paint (accurately) one of their giant
looms churning out the stuff. The light pictures work, the loom pictures
don't because that is not what she wants to do.
We already have Painter Classic and the Wacom tablet and we have the
non-print, non-save
Painter demo off some magazine cover sometime back. But again, she feels
why set Painter to pastel and try to paint something. She would rather
open the library book that she has on almost permanent loan of the best
USA pastel wildlife artists and use her own paper and pastels to try to
copy their techniques. Her painting "Bea in the Snow" was created after
reading this book but does not transfer well to the screen as much of
the subtle pastel hues become just plain brown, etc.( How to reproduce
this accurately with an Epson 600 is a query for another time -and
group??)
That is indeed what she WANTS to do - but when we see job adverts in the
papers they always say "must have Photoshop and Quark Express"
This is getting too long. Just let me say thanks again to you all.
We have a prototype web page which we are not trying to promote yet but
if
anyone wants to comment on what she does as a "real" artist......
http://homepages.tesco.net/~aliwilson/flybyknight.html
then Fineart1 & 2.
Don't be shy about telling her she is hopeless. She already knows and
tells me that frequently. :-)
Alistair
anon
freckles, and tattoos from naked pics from "those newsgroups"! Try removing a
logo from a picture taken from an adult website. It teaches you a lot about
cloning, blur, texturing, etc.
anon
Dark Mouse wrote:
<snip>
Del Tree
freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>How to say thanks to everybody and comment on the many fine points they
>make at the same time yet keeping it all to a few brief paragraphs???
>Can I just say one big inclusive "Thank you" to you all rather than
>take up your time with many individual ones.
I'm sure I speak for everyone who lurks here when I say that you are
most welcome Alistair :o)
snipped a bit....
>So over the next year I tried THREE other colleges including Duncan of
>Jordanstone one of Scotland's major art and design centres.
>There are a lot of people out there who
>rely on clip art, etc to cover up that they can't draw - but they can
>manipulate what someone else has drawn for them.
I couldn't have put it better myself, and, sadly this is all too true.
It was brought home to me that the "fashion" to marginalise
draughtsmanship in favour of so called "free expression" which began
when I was at College (many years ago!) is still the modus operandi
today when I was asked on a couple of occasions to teach at a local art
school and saw what they were doing...
I have also interviewed several potential artworkers for our studio
during the last year and not one of them could demonstrate the Photoshop
skills they claimed to have been taught, never mind draw competently.
>
>A whole generation of "non-artists" are working on computers
>to produce art now and it makes it so much harder for the rest of you to
>make living.
An excellent point, Alistair. It doesn't impact my business, but then
we've been at it for over 20 years and have a solid client base. But I
do feel deeply for young illustrators and Designers just starting out
who *ARE* talented and *CAN* draw and paint!
>The one slightly encouraging thing I hear is that art
>directors are getting fed up with "samey" computer output and are
>beginning to look for original "style" again which might help some
>individuals who can actually produce ORIGINAL freehand artwork before
>they start to manipulate it. Morag agrees with so much of what Del says
>so Thank you for that contribution.
It *IS* encouraging and our experience confirms what you say. The bigger
London Ad agencies are indeed getting tired of the "Computer look".
We are now getting many more commissions for freehand pencil or
marker/watercolour illustrations than even a year ago. One could argue
that one can achieve similar effects in Adobe Illustrator or Macromedia
Freehand, and that is true, up to a point, but I have yet to find any
really good illustrators who know both apps well who can honestly say
that they can get the job done any faster in them than doing it
conventionally. There's no getting away from the fact that the immediacy
of pencil or brush on paper is both faster and more natural than any
software can yet imitate. And this is a point often missed. These apps
all "imitate" traditional working methods, tools and materials, much the
same as electronic music "imitates" traditional instruments.
I would rather see this technology used to create something new which
traditional methods cannot produce than slavishly mimic the techniques
of the past. Sadly this is rarely done except by those who *ARE* trained
artists and can recognise the potential in the technology. It is in the
area of multi-layered transparency and complex lighting effects to name
but two that apps like Photoshop can really shine, and in the hands of
skilled airbrush artists who have swopped their DeVilbis for a pen and
tablet one can see what is possible.
So I would encourage Morag to take her portfolio round as many Ad
agencies and Design studios as your fingers can find in the "Yellow
Pages" or any other resource. If she perseveres and refuses to take "no,
thankyou" for an answer she *WILL* find an enlightened soul or two
somewhere who will give her a commission. That's if she's good... and I
take it from your comments that she is!
One fruitful area is cartoon illustration. I have no idea if Morag has a
knack for this, but if she does, it's still largely the province of
traditional illustrators and good ones can command very high fees, not
only for "strip" cartoons for the press, but also for children's book
illustrations. So Publishers are another possible area to explore.
The key to success (take it from an old "campaigner!") is *NEVER* to
give up no matter how many doors are slammed in your face. Let Morag set
herself some specific goals (i.e "I will see 34 Ad agencies this month")
and then go out and pursue them certain of success.
>Don't be shy about telling her she is hopeless. She already knows and
>tells me that frequently. :-)
That's a recipe for disaster, Alistair.
If Morag has no confidence in her abilities as an artist she will obtain
results commensurate with her negative outlook.
If, on the other hand, she is good at what she does, and only the honest
searching of her heart and comparison with the work of acknowledged
artists can tell her that, she should stop belittling herself and "take
up her brush and walk"!!! . I am firmly convinced that *NOTHING* can
keep a good man (or woman!) down (except themselves....)
Please extend my warmest wishes for her success to her :-)
--
Del Tree
Del Tree
<apta...@swbell.net> writes
> Why not have your wife try her hand at doing some web banners using
> her pastel backgrounds. Banners are all over the web and also have
> her try her hand a animating using Photoshop. Just a suggestion and
> my last I promise.
>
> aptavius
>
>Xaos Typecaster
>
>[ A MIME image / jpeg part was included here. ]
>
That really was a boring image "Aptavius".
Surely there are better examples of web banners about?
Just a suggestion...:-)
--
Del Tree
Alistair
and freckles, etc. made Morag realise that, with Photoshop, she could
transform a petite brunette with a potential cellulite problem into a
tall, slim, blonde supermodel. That got her interested pretty quickly.
Special thanks again to Del for taking the time to give us so much
constructive information.
Best regards to him and to all who assisted us.
Alistair & Morag
aptavius
Looking forward to your next wonderful flame, hate message.
Just have made me feel so good today. Thank you very much.
aptavius
Del Tree <Del...@spamless.co.uk> wrote in message
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D i m i t r i
Your wife is fully capable of finding her own inspirational resources, she does
it when she wants to paint. I have a rose in front of me...now am I going to
paint it, or use photoshop?
It doesn't just stop when someone sits down in front of a computer (the rose
still exists). I also think it's unnecessary to request people find things for
her to draw, when the whole world is in front of her (internet) and around her.
Inspiration is a very personal thing..strangers offering ideas on what to draw
is just shooting in the dark and possibly an insult to her intellect. How do I
know what her subject preferences might be, I ask you?
There are REAL handicapped artists all over the world, who can't easily move
about. Yet they persevere, learn, and thrive.
She's not bored- she's uncomfortable with the program, the process, or
uninterested in pursuing the digital art thing right now.
Good luck Mrs. Young , if you feel good about your regular art work, stick with
it. If you need something to do with Photoshop, have patience and try
simulating one of your existing oil paintings with it. That's a quick way to
compare the feel and process with a known reference.
Dimitri
todd young wrote:
> Aptavius is being such a downer...my best suggestion would be to get some of
> the books available and go through the tutorials...Photoshop 5 for Dummies
> is a good one...there are several..some more complete than others...also try
> >
Del Tree
<apta...@swbell.net> writes
>Good old Del Tree I can always rely on your expertise to keep me straight.
>Looking forward to your next wonderful flame, hate message.
>
>Just have made me feel so good today. Thank you very much.
>
No offence was intended I assure you, and I trust none has been taken?
What you term "a hate message" is something that I have no intention of
posting here, or anywhere else. Were I to do so, I think you would know
about it. As for "flames" I think your are a teeny bit oversensitive in
taking a tongue in cheek remark as inflammatory.
Best wishes :-)
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Del Tree