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detap

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Oct 22, 2005, 9:15:41 AM10/22/05
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Hi I have a wedding cd slideshow that a photographer made of the wedding and
I need to make copies of some pictures, but it won't let me. Can some one
tell me how to decode this cd so I can do this? The file type is in MOV
thanks [[pat]]


Roy

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Oct 22, 2005, 8:56:26 AM10/22/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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The best person to ask is the photographer. He will be able to supply the
copies you need.

Roy G


Tony Cooper

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Oct 22, 2005, 9:23:03 AM10/22/05
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Just write the photographer a short note starting out "I would like to
deprive you of your income as a professional by making my own extra
copies of your work" I'm sure he'll get right back to you.


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Tony Cooper
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Caitlin

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Oct 22, 2005, 9:23:01 AM10/22/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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They are no longer in photo format. All you can do is take screen grabs,
which will not be very good quality.


detap

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Oct 22, 2005, 11:12:41 AM10/22/05
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deprive my ass I have sent at lest two of his kid to collage with what I
have paid him

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Tony Cooper

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Oct 22, 2005, 10:26:40 AM10/22/05
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:12:41 -0700, "detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote:

>deprive my ass I have sent at lest two of his kid to collage with what I
>have paid him

If you can't afford a professional, buy a Brownie.

Gormless

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Oct 22, 2005, 10:42:12 AM10/22/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> deprive my ass I have sent at lest two of his kid to collage with what I
> have paid him
>

I wonder how you manage to earn enough to do that when you cannot spell
'least' or 'college', don't know that 'someone' is one word, and cannot
manage the plural of 'kid'?
(Let's not venture into the area of punctuation)
If you paid the guy properly for his pictures instead of attempting to steal
them then it could be that three of his kids might have been able to go to
college.


tacit

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Oct 22, 2005, 11:44:41 AM10/22/05
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In article <ogq6f.3$yH....@news.uswest.net>, "detap" <de...@qwest.net>
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> Hi I have a wedding cd slideshow that a photographer made of the wedding and
> I need to make copies of some pictures, but it won't let me.

What do you mean "it won't let you?"

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Cyli

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Oct 22, 2005, 8:03:50 PM10/22/05
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:15:41 -0700, "detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote:

If it's a professional photographer who took the originals, he or she
will make copies, for a fee, for you. The images are the
photographer's property, which often surprizes wedding parties, and
the photographer prefers to be paid for copies.

That said, Try capturing some of the images to the clipboard as they
flow past and then sharpening them up.

Cyli
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Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

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Scruff

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Oct 22, 2005, 8:48:24 PM10/22/05
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When people hire me to photograph I always give them the originals.


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detap

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Oct 23, 2005, 12:14:32 AM10/23/05
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ho ho ho that's just too funny


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detap

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Oct 23, 2005, 12:15:35 AM10/23/05
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bite me

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Gormless

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Oct 23, 2005, 5:21:12 AM10/23/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> bite me
>
And marvellously eloquent too.
Get back down your cave.

Greg N.

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Oct 23, 2005, 6:26:06 AM10/23/05
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Gormless wrote:

> I wonder how you manage to earn enough to do that when you cannot spell
> 'least' or 'college', don't know that 'someone' is one word, and cannot
> manage the plural of 'kid'?
> (Let's not venture into the area of punctuation)
> If you paid the guy properly for his pictures instead of attempting to steal
> them then it could be that three of his kids might have been able to go to
> college.

Your picking on a post's grammar and spelling leads me to believe you
have nothing to say towards it's content.

Back to the subject.

Maybe the Photographer told his customer, you'll get a CD to view the
pictures, but the content is encoded in such a way that you can't make
copies. You'll have to pay me for copies, on top of my $150 fee. That's
what an honest pro would say.

But maybe he didn't. Maybe he's one of those thugs (I've met one myself)
who merely says, yeah, for $150 I'll be there at the wedding and make a
thousand snaps, and I'll give you a CD. Period. And then he chuckles
when the poor misled customer finds out he can't do anything with the CD
and has to bleed more to get copies.

It would be interesting to find out what has really happened here.

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detap

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Oct 23, 2005, 8:14:31 AM10/23/05
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Greg that's just about the exact content of what happened . Sounds like you
have had this kind of experience thanks for your under standing [[pat]]

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detap

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Oct 23, 2005, 9:02:18 AM10/23/05
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talk about grammar!!! (get back down your cave) now that good grammar!!!!!


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Scruff

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Oct 23, 2005, 10:59:06 AM10/23/05
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"Greg N." <yodel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe the Photographer told his customer, you'll get a CD to view the
> pictures, but the content is encoded in such a way that you can't make
> copies. You'll have to pay me for copies, on top of my $150 fee. That's
> what an honest pro would say.
> --
> Gregor's Motorradreisen

Yep, I bet that this is the scenario. The disc is probably a pdf or
some format that the OP doesn't know about.


Scruff

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Oct 23, 2005, 11:00:24 AM10/23/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> Greg that's just about the exact content of what happened . Sounds like
you
> have had this kind of experience thanks for your under standing [[pat]]

That's because it's the way any pro photographer would do it.
And what you're telling us is that you're trying to bypass the process, and
the payment?


Gormless

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Oct 23, 2005, 5:04:41 PM10/23/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> talk about grammar!!! (get back down your cave) now that good grammar!!!!!
>

Now that good grammar, did you say?
Don't the apostrophe and s work on your keyboard?

Cyli

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Oct 23, 2005, 8:40:52 PM10/23/05
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:26:06 +0200, "Greg N." <yodel...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Gormless wrote:
>
>> I wonder how you manage to earn enough to do that when you cannot spell
>> 'least' or 'college', don't know that 'someone' is one word, and cannot
>> manage the plural of 'kid'?
>> (Let's not venture into the area of punctuation)
>> If you paid the guy properly for his pictures instead of attempting to steal
>> them then it could be that three of his kids might have been able to go to
>> college.
>
>Your picking on a post's grammar and spelling leads me to believe you
>have nothing to say towards it's content.
>
>Back to the subject.
>
>Maybe the Photographer told his customer, you'll get a CD to view the
>pictures, but the content is encoded in such a way that you can't make
>copies. You'll have to pay me for copies, on top of my $150 fee. That's
>what an honest pro would say.

Shouldn't have to. That's simply the way it goes with wedding photos,
portraits and all such work.

>
>But maybe he didn't. Maybe he's one of those thugs (I've met one myself)
>who merely says, yeah, for $150 I'll be there at the wedding and make a
>thousand snaps, and I'll give you a CD. Period.

That's the usual way of business for professional photographers.

>And then he chuckles
>when the poor misled customer finds out he can't do anything with the CD
>and has to bleed more to get copies.

No, he sighs because he's got another stupid customer fight on his
hands.


>
>It would be interesting to find out what has really happened here.

Sigh.

Next time you hire a photographer, write up a contract specifying that
you get all the prints promised, all the negatives, and all rights to
all the work. That simple.

Oh, yeah, another point. Don't _ever_ commission a work of art like
an oil portrait without the same understanding.

Leonard Lehew

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Oct 24, 2005, 6:31:57 AM10/24/05
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:15:41 -0700, "detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote:

The .MOV file type indicates that the file contains a Quicktime movie.
This format is aimed mainly at showing moving images and is not a good
starting point for printing. It is possible to capture frames from the
.MOV file, but since the file is aimed at display on a monotor, there
are not enough pixels there for a good print image.

On a PC, Quicktime uses the "DirectX" interface to the video driver.
It does this to obtain adequate performance for moving images. One of
the byproducts of using DirectX is that "normal" methods of screen
capture (Shift-Print Scrn) will usually not work correctly. There are
some third party products available that allow you to capture DirectX
images.

In any case, if you want a good print image, you aren't going to get
it using a .MOV file as a starting point.

As others have pointed out, photographers do not customarily provide
film negatives (or the digital equivalent) to their customers.
Charging for prints is one of the ways photographers make money.

Leonard

Greg N.

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Oct 24, 2005, 6:56:14 AM10/24/05
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Cyli wrote:

>> Maybe he's one of those thugs (I've met one myself)
>> who merely says, yeah, for $150 I'll be there at the wedding and make a
>> thousand snaps, and I'll give you a CD. Period.

> That's the usual way of business for professional photographers.

Maybe.

Nonetheless, I perceive him entirely unfair to assume I know "the way it
goes" in his trade. I have hired a pro photographer once in my life, at
my daughter's wedding, and I'm not likely to hire one ever again. How
should I know "the usual way"?

This guy knew quite well what kind of expectation he triggered when he
promised me a CD with all the photos. He assumed (quite rightly) that I
did _not_ know the ususal way of business and took advantage of that
like a used car sales man.

We're not discussing legal or contractual matters here, those are likely
quite clear. I'm pretty sure the fact that my expectations weren't
going to be met were in the fine print somewhere.

Still, telling me "you get a CD" without further explanation is a very
calculated move to mislead me, and you know that. Are you in the trade,
too?

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Larry Bud

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Oct 24, 2005, 9:20:58 AM10/24/05
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> >Still, telling me "you get a CD" without further explanation is a very
> >calculated move to mislead me, and you know that. Are you in the trade,
> >too?
>
> "What comes on the CD?"
>
> "What does that include?"
>
> "Do I get prints and/or negatives?"
>
> Wow, really hard questions to ask... You weren't misled,


That's bullshit. Of course he was misled. If you hire a
photographer, it's a reasonable expectation to think that if he said
"you get a cd" that it would be full of your pictures for your use,
pictures that aren't encrypted or password protected. What other
reason would one include a CD if he can't use the photos on it?
Ridiculous.

It'd be like buying a car, and the salesman says "You get keys with
that". Lo and behold, the keys won't start your car. "Oh, you wanted
key for YOUR car!!?!?! You should have mentioned that!!!"

Tony Cooper

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Oct 24, 2005, 11:28:22 AM10/24/05
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:56:14 +0200, "Greg N." <yodel...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Cyli wrote:


>
>>> Maybe he's one of those thugs (I've met one myself)
>>> who merely says, yeah, for $150 I'll be there at the wedding and make a
>>> thousand snaps, and I'll give you a CD. Period.
>
>> That's the usual way of business for professional photographers.
>
>Maybe.
>
>Nonetheless, I perceive him entirely unfair to assume I know "the way it
>goes" in his trade. I have hired a pro photographer once in my life, at
>my daughter's wedding, and I'm not likely to hire one ever again. How
>should I know "the usual way"?

Because they present you with a contract or agreement that spells out
what they will charge and what you get for your basic fee. If you
didn't read the agreement, or didn't pay attention when he explained
the agreement, that's hardly his fault.

>This guy knew quite well what kind of expectation he triggered when he
>promised me a CD with all the photos. He assumed (quite rightly) that I
>did _not_ know the ususal way of business and took advantage of that
>like a used car sales man.
>
>We're not discussing legal or contractual matters here, those are likely
>quite clear. I'm pretty sure the fact that my expectations weren't
>going to be met were in the fine print somewhere.
>
>Still, telling me "you get a CD" without further explanation is a very
>calculated move to mislead me, and you know that. Are you in the trade,
>too?

My guess is that what he really said was "You get a CD that shows the
pictures that you can order" and you just didn't pay attention. The
photographer that did my daughter's wedding made it quite clear what
was included in the basic package, and what I would be charged extra
for.

Even the school photographer sends out proofs with "PROOF" stamped on
the image so you can't scan his efforts and make a zillion copies.

Stores that have those machines that copy photographs have a notice
posted that you are not allowed to make copies of professional
photographer's prints. Store clerks will reject them.

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Greg N.

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Oct 24, 2005, 12:16:56 PM10/24/05
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Voivod wrote:

> Speaking of ridiculous.... If you want to use a car as an analogy, it's
> more like ordering a car with a CD player and then bitching because you
> were too stupid to ask if that included speakers.

Hey that's a very good analogy. So you're saying a sales thug who lets
his customer order a car "featuring" a CD player, without telling the
customer he needs to order speakers, too, is acting perfectly honest,
while the customer is "too stupid"?

That's how they mong horses in Voivodina, maybe :))

Scruff

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Oct 24, 2005, 12:17:25 PM10/24/05
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"Larry Bud" <larryb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> That's bullshit. Of course he was misled. If you hire a
> photographer, it's a reasonable expectation to think that if he said
> "you get a cd" that it would be full of your pictures for your use,
> pictures that aren't encrypted or password protected. What other
> reason would one include a CD if he can't use the photos on it?
> Ridiculous.
>
> It'd be like buying a car, and the salesman says "You get keys with
> that". Lo and behold, the keys won't start your car. "Oh, you wanted
> key for YOUR car!!?!?! You should have mentioned that!!!"

It was probably a "review"cd, for him to pick the photo's he wanted before
the photographer did anything else with them. The op was just trying to do
"extra" with them.


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Harry Limey at

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"Voivod" <V...@vod.con> wrote in message
> Stop trying to blame your stupidity on others, take some >responsibility
> for your actions.

Pot, Kettle & Black all spring to mind at once for some reason!


Cyli

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Oct 24, 2005, 6:49:02 PM10/24/05
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:16:56 +0200, "Greg N." <yodel...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Voivod wrote:


>
>> Speaking of ridiculous.... If you want to use a car as an analogy, it's
>> more like ordering a car with a CD player and then bitching because you
>> were too stupid to ask if that included speakers.
>
>Hey that's a very good analogy. So you're saying a sales thug who lets
>his customer order a car "featuring" a CD player, without telling the
>customer he needs to order speakers, too, is acting perfectly honest,
>while the customer is "too stupid"?

I'd call that a bad analogy. It'd be more like selling someone a car
with a cd player and not telling them that no cd's were included.
If the purchaser knew nothing about cd's, that could be seen by him /
her as fraudulent. By the people in the world who know how cd's and
players work, the customer would be foolish to expect any cd's to be
included.


>
>That's how they mong horses in Voivodina, maybe :))

Steven Wandy

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Oct 24, 2005, 6:51:08 PM10/24/05
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> It was probably a "review"cd, for him to pick the photo's he wanted before
> the photographer did anything else with them. The op was just trying to do
> "extra" with them.
>
You are assuming it was a "review" cd and that the OP was told he would only
receive a "review" cd and that he would have to pay additional money for
either
prints or a cd with files he would be able to make his own prints from.


Steven Wandy

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Oct 24, 2005, 6:54:28 PM10/24/05
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> As others have pointed out, photographers do not customarily provide
> film negatives (or the digital equivalent) to their customers.
> Charging for prints is one of the ways photographers make money.
>
Actually, my daughter and future son-in-law were told by their photographer
that they will receive a cd with all the image files and that the files will
be capable
of making prints. (And yes, my future son-in-law knows what type
of files to expect as he is a professional that works for the AP and several
local
newspapers.)


Scruff

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Oct 24, 2005, 7:19:22 PM10/24/05
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No shit! That's exactly what I was doing!! And I bet I'm right.


Stuart

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Oct 24, 2005, 7:43:56 PM10/24/05
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Cyli wrote:
> I'd call that a bad analogy. It'd be more like selling someone a car
> with a cd player and not telling them that no cd's were included.
> If the purchaser knew nothing about cd's, that could be seen by him /
> her as fraudulent. By the people in the world who know how cd's and
> players work, the customer would be foolish to expect any cd's to be
> included.

I suppose it all comes down to convention within the industry-

Ergo, someone uninformed about particular conventions may be caught out.
Questions and communication, as ever, is key.

--
Stuart Brown <stu...@edesign.cc>
http://www.edesign.cc

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KatWoman

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Oct 23, 2005, 6:10:28 PM10/23/05
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"detap" <de...@qwest.net> wrote in message

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If that really happened you can go to small claims court. You most likely
have a written contract or invoice stating what you get for how much. Did
you look at they guy's reputation before you hired him? ask for references?

If you are trying to steal his work then you have gotten what you deserve,
to be called a cheapskate. As many of us here make our livings selling
photography you can see why your request could cause some animosity.

Top posting is frowned upon in these parts too. I'm sure you will hear
about that too.


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