Here's a great comment on the NIST "explanation" of collapse of Building 7
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
Isn’t it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the same
event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
the sky, that suicide ‘terrorists’ have all become alive again, that the
whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
"thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
of building 7.
What remarkable coincidences… now go back to sleep. There is nothing to
see.
george
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>
> Isn’t it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the same
> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> the sky,
What is so unbelievable about cellphones working from aircraft ?
And 'miles' up in the sky doesn't equate with the WTC Towers height.
Or doesn't your cellphone work if the nearest tower is more than a
mile away
>that suicide ‘terrorists’ have all become alive again,
Disproved so often I wonder why you brought it up yet again
>that the whole US air defense failed
No. The aircraft on standby flew when ATC knew where to send them
>and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
> of building 7.
'Thick' structural steel ?
Steel expands when it is heated.
steel becomes weakened when it is heated yet still has the same load
acting on it.
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
Yeah, it does, but not in the way you...umm, "think".
>
> Isn=3Ft it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the same
> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> the sky, that suicide =3Fterrorists=3F have all become alive again, that the
> whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
> of building 7.
>
> What remarkable coincidences=3F now go back to sleep. There is nothing to
> see.
>
Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
--
BDK
BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
Dennis E Strausser Jr
news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com...
Then again, it's some of the time I noticed things about "Loose Change" I
hadn't noticed before.
False claims, that they didn't try very hard to back up....
Fievel.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:dca60525-c41c-44d2...@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Aug 24, 7:44 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>that the whole US air defense failed
>
> No. The aircraft on standby flew when ATC knew where to send them
>
>
So why is it the only hijacked plane they brought down was the one in
shanksville that posed no threat to anyone??
Answer - dead men tell no tales.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>>
>
> Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
>
The board notes that you are a govt shill avoiding the issues and
"responding" with childish namecalling. Have a perfect day.
Dennis E Strausser Jr
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:Xns9B03DFD9D9EA9r...@216.168.3.70...
But!
Where exactly are we getting paid to lie?
If you're an American, then do America a favor and leave.
Though I don't always like the government's protection, at least
their watching to do their best...
They didn't mean 9/11 to slip, it just did, and they won't make that mistake
twice...
Fievel.
BDK
dlwstr...@comcast.net says...
> "BDK" <Shil...@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> > In article <Xns9B038BD4CD10Dr...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
> > @yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
> >
> > Yeah, it does, but not in the way you...umm, "think".
> >
> >>
> >> Isn=3Ft it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the same
> >> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> >> fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> >> the sky, that suicide =3Fterrorists=3F have all become alive again, that
> >> the
> >> whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> >> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
> >> of building 7.
> >>
> >> What remarkable coincidences=3F now go back to sleep. There is nothing to
> >> see.
> >>
> >
> > Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
> Hey! That's not fair, I like smoking pot.
I don't really consider pot a drug. I know someone who has smoked HUGE
quantities of it daily for 35+ years, is very successful, has a wife and
3 kids, and, so far, seems to have no problems with it.
> Then again, it's some of the time I noticed things about "Loose Change" I
> hadn't noticed before.
There's a lot of kooky stuff that they just try to "slide on by" and the
kooks never seem to catch on and say, "Hey, that ain't right!!"
> False claims, that they didn't try very hard to back up....
Because they can't really back them up..
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
You aren't on any board, kook. We aren't avoiding them, the issues have
been explained to you kooks time after time, but your religion prevents
you from understanding those explanations.
And any day I can goof on you kooktards is a great day. Perfect? No, but
any laugh is a good one, and the last couple of days have had a lot of
laughs, at you kooktard's expense.
Dennis E Strausser Jr
"BDK" <Shil...@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.231ac230a...@news.buckeye-express.com...
Not like some, and I use one of those..
Worse, it's legal.
But it's too easy to put a little yeast into some juice, heated around
100-200 degrees, when the yeast stops disepearing, stop putting
it in...
Then just let it sit for a while.
If worried it might hurt you worse then normal alcohol, then just reheat
it again, put it thru the process again, and let sit for about a week.
It's alcohol almost as soon as you add yeast.
Don't forget to sift out the crap it collects over time.
>
>> Then again, it's some of the time I noticed things about "Loose Change" I
>> hadn't noticed before.
>
> There's a lot of kooky stuff that they just try to "slide on by" and the
> kooks never seem to catch on and say, "Hey, that ain't right!!"
Uh, no shit?
It's really easy to see, the exploding jet fuel on the outside of the
building.
Which means, the explosion is about the same size inside.
Not hard to tell, the entire top of building 1 is almost totally gutted when
that first plane hit.
>
>> False claims, that they didn't try very hard to back up....
>
> Because they can't really back them up..
And never will.
>
>>
>>
>> Fievel.
>>
>> >
>> > --
>> > BDK
>> >
>> > BDK Klan leader?
>> > kOOk Magnet!
>> > NJJ CLUB #1
>> > Shillmaster
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> BDK
>
> BDK Klan leader?
> kOOk Magnet!
> NJJ CLUB #1
> Shillmaster
I wonder how long it will take, for someone to tell me I'm full of shit?
Fievel.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:X5WdnQ5OiM90ei3V...@comcast.com:
> Sorry I jumped in...
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote
> in message news:Xns9B03DFD9D9EA9r...@216.168.3.70...
>> BDK <Shil...@silentexplosions.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
>>>
>>
>> The board notes that you are a govt shill avoiding the issues and
>> "responding" with childish namecalling. Have a perfect day.
>>
>
> But!
> Where exactly are we getting paid to lie?
> If you're an American, then do America a favor and leave.
> Though I don't always like the government's protection, at least
> their watching to do their best...
>
"Watching to do their best"??? WTF does that mean, you idiot.?
BDK
SHOOTER586
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> BDK <Shillk...@silentexplosions.com> wrote innews:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
>
>
> > Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
>
> The board notes that you are a govt shill avoiding the issues and
> "responding" with childish namecalling. Have a perfect day.
First:
"The board notes that you are a govt shill"
Then:
"and responding' with childish namecalling."
Classic stuff. Are you FF?
Dennis E Strausser Jr
All depends how much I eat.
Dennis E Strausser Jr
Watching our backs, you fucking idiot!!
Fievel.
Freedom Fighter
news:7vadnR578r_EIS3V...@comcast.com...
> "BDK" <Shil...@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> In article <Xns9B038BD4CD10Dr...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
>> @yahoo.com says...
>>>
>>> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>>
>> Yeah, it does, but not in the way you...umm, "think".
>>
>>>
>>> Isn=3Ft it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the
>>> same
>>> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
>>> fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up
>>> in
>>> the sky, that suicide =3Fterrorists=3F have all become alive again, that
>>> the
>>> whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
>>> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the
>>> collapse
>>> of building 7.
>>>
>>> What remarkable coincidences=3F now go back to sleep. There is nothing
>>> to
>>> see.
>> Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
Pathetic!
GovShill
> "Dennis E Strausser Jr" <dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:7vadnR578r_EIS3V...@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > "BDK" <Shillk...@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >> In article <Xns9B038BD4CD10Driemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
> >> @yahoo.com says...
>
> >>> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>
> >> Yeah, it does, but not in the way you...umm, "think".
>
> >>> Isn=3Ft it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the
> >>> same
> >>> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> >>> fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up
> >>> in
> >>> the sky, that suicide =3Fterrorists=3F have all become alive again, that
> >>> the
> >>> whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> >>> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the
> >>> collapse
> >>> of building 7.
>
> >>> What remarkable coincidences=3F now go back to sleep. There is nothing
> >>> to
> >>> see.
> >> Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
>
> Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
> incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
> frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible
positions.
Thomas Jefferson
> Pathetic!
Yes. The "truth movement" summed up in a word.
Shill#2
harry k
> In article <Xns9B038BD4CD10Driemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
She started out as a moron, but then devoted time to study and managed
to become a 'stupid moron'. That is the height of her ambition.
Harry K
harry k
You actually believe that crap? Amazing! You do know that you are
citing a defrocked college prof don't you? It isn't easy to lose
tenure and be fired but he managed it.
Harry K
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>
> Isn’t it fascinating.
Yes, kooker rejection of fact is fascinating.
>The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> fire...
A lie. Many steel framed sturctures have collapsed *due to fire alone*
let alone in combination with severe structural damage from 500+ mph
plane crashes. Windsor Tower in Madrid is a prime example of how fire
alone can collapse the complete steel framed structure of a high rise,
yet not a plane hit it.
> that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> the sky...
A lie. This was never impossible. Besides, most calls came from
AirFones.
> that suicide ‘terrorists’ have all become alive again...
A lie. When do you "think" this happened?
> that the whole US air defense failed ...
Which system did the US air defense have in place to stop what
happened? This is news to me.
> and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon "thermal expansion"
BWAAHAHAAHAAA!!! Typical of the kooker ignoramuses who listen to Alex
Jones, I 'spose. Thermal expansion has existed as long as the earth
has existed. It is hardly a new phenomenon.
> What remarkable coincidences… now go back to sleep. There is nothing to
> see.
Indeed, for kookers, sleep is their best research time!!!
All of what you claimed is a lie. Doesn't that matter to you kooks?
BDK
79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, turnk...@hotmail.com says...
It's good to see one of the kooktards succeed.
BDK
@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, turnk...@hotmail.com says...
> On Aug 23, 12:44 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
> >
> > event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> > fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> > whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> > "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
> > of building 7.
> >
> > see.
>
> You actually believe that crap? Amazing! You do know that you are
> citing a defrocked college prof don't you? It isn't easy to lose
> tenure and be fired but he managed it.
>
> Harry K
>
There's a local prof who is a raving loon, and he somehow keeps his job,
year after year. Even his website is crazed..
BDK
lib...@once.net says...
We sane folks know you are pretty pitiful, but you CAN get help. Get
off, or on, the drugs. The exact opposite of what you've been doing your
whole life..
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
bbf5fe...@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
WOW - you paid govt shills are really desperate, aren't you. The 911
coverup is collapsing and you know it. HAHAHA
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:5dd56639-2231-42f9...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
sigh. Once again the shills can only respond with personal attacks.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
J7BizVnZ2dn...@comcast.com:
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns9B046A63BF586r...@216.168.3.70...
>> "Dennis E Strausser Jr" <dlwstr...@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:X5WdnQ5OiM90ei3V...@comcast.com:
>>
>>> But!
>>> Where exactly are we getting paid to lie?
>>> If you're an American, then do America a favor and leave.
>>> Though I don't always like the government's protection, at least
>>> their watching to do their best...
>>>
>>
>> "Watching to do their best"??? WTF does that mean, you idiot.?
>
>
> Watching our backs, you fucking idiot!!
>
Then say that you ungrammatical moron.
Dennis E Strausser Jr
If you really think our government would want to hurt us, then LEAVE!!!!
Thank You....
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1f8c1d33-77dc-4d46-bc6b-
> bbf5fe517...@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
Do you not understand how utterly stupid you are?
> The 911 coverup is collapsing and you know it. HAHAHA.
Nope, guess not!!!
BWAHAAAHAAAHAHAA!!!
Dennis E Strausser Jr
> harry k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:5dd56639-2231-42f9...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Aug 23, 12:44 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>>>
>>> Isn't it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the
>>> same event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed
>>> due to fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from
>>> miles up in the sky, that suicide 'terrorists' have all become alive
>>> again, that
>> the
>>> whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new
>>> phenomenon
>>
>>> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the
>>> collapse of building 7.
>>>
>>> to see.
>>
>> You actually believe that crap? Amazing! You do know that you are
>> citing a defrocked college prof don't you? It isn't easy to lose
>> tenure and be fired but he managed it.
>>
>> Harry K
>>
>
> sigh. Once again the shills can only respond with personal attacks.
>
Explosives you cant see or hear?
I guess pieces of steel crashing through floor after floor isn't going to
make any noise?
I use to be a CT'er... Then I opened my eyes, and ears, and brain to the
truth,,...
Quote.
Or America the corrupt?
This is one of many names I came up with.
I guess if you live here, your aloud to do anything you
want, even if it hurts, or kills somebody.
Or at least if your some sort of high government official
member. As long as it's for the $$$$ of it, the more 0s
that come after the 1 or any other number after 0.
The more money involved, the more justified it is to
make up lies about it.
The trillion of dollars made on 9/11/01 is much,
Much more then the money they've spen on the war
on terror.
The reason I'm starting a book on this, is cause the corruption
dates back much further then just September 11th, 2001.
Why I'm posting this here, is cause part of the book, will
mention
I'm not going to write a book entitled (Corrupt America) or
(America, Free for all, besides it's citizens.)Either way, it's my intent to
point out, just how truly crooked our government can be.
Since this country started, only an extreme few presidents have ever been
truly honest.
The few that have been honest, had much better Assassination attempts on
their lives. Some also succeeded. Under William J Clitton, if I spelled his
name right. More people were locked up on drug charges then under any other
president in history. That was the corruption under Bill Clitton.
Most offenders were locked up on simple charges, a lot were locked up for
simple possession of Marijuana. The effects Marijuana has on me, is make me
sleep. What's even remotely hazardous about that?
Further more, once I'm use to it, I pretty much do what I normally do. I don
't live life any different, besides the fact I'm high. I don't become so
lazy, that it's the only thing I care to do.
Anyway, if the government has nothing to hide, why won't they answer a few
simple questions?
Fievel J Mousekewitz (The former, Dennis E Strausser Jr)
Quote,,,....
I wrote all that...
Fievel.
Disneygeek
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>
> Isn’t it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the same
> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> fire,
Except, 1) you've been shown that other steel frame buildings have
collapsed. And 2) you're ignoring the significance of the impact
damage
that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> the sky,
You don't know that this couldn't have happend.
that suicide ‘terrorists’ have all become alive again,
The BBC has already acknowledged their error in this regard, why can't
you?
that the
> whole US air defense failed
The whole US air defense wasn't designed around "internal" hijackings
Can you show an instance where it was?
and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
> of building 7.
There's nothing new about "thermal expansion," Look at the plates in
the middle of bridges.
>
> What remarkable coincidences… now go back to sleep. There is nothing to
> see.
Disneygeek
> "Dennis E Strausser Jr" <dlwstraus...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:7vadnR578r_EIS3V...@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:MPG.231a849b7...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >> In article <Xns9B038BD4CD10Driemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
> >> @yahoo.com says...
>
> >>> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>
> >> Yeah, it does, but not in the way you...umm, "think".
>
> >>> Isn=3Ft it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the
> >>> same
> >>> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> >>> fire, that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up
> >>> in
> >>> the sky, that suicide =3Fterrorists=3F have all become alive again, that
> >>> the
> >>> whole US air defense failed and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> >>> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the
> >>> collapse
> >>> of building 7.
>
> >>> What remarkable coincidences=3F now go back to sleep. There is nothing
> >>> to
> >>> see.
> >> Are you on drugs, or naturally stupid?
>
> Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
> incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
> frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
>
So, what's repeating the same debunked claims time and time again
without ending?
Disneygeek
Look out! You used the word "unintelligible" again. You know that
confuses them!
Disneygeek
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Because you've never responded to their logical arguments with
anything but personal attacks of your own!
Government Shill #2
wrote:
It does seem to, doesn't it.
Mr Jefferson used the word. I'm sure his grasp of English was better than
mine.
--
Shill #2
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Ralph Wiggum
Al Dykes
People that were eyewitnesses to some part of 9/11 (I was) know that
what the "Truth Movement" says about what they say is wrong.
Essentially no eyewitnesses to WTC have joined the "half Truth
Movement". The 5 people that I know of (out of 100s of thousnds of
people in or around WTC on 9/11) say things that are contary to all
the other evidence and eyewitnesses and they refuse to speak in public
and discuss their claims and answer polite, relevant questions.
The alledged eyewitnesses are William Rodriquez, John Schroeder, Scott
Forbes, Brian Jennings, and Kevin McPadden.
Why should I believe them?
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
Al Dykes
7 years and the "Half Truth Movement" still has nothing but
unsubstatianted assertions.
The "truth Movement" has confused "asking questions" with making
unsubstantiated assertions based on false information phrased as
questions, and not listening to the polite responses and shouting
"Inside Job!" over a bullhorn, and selling books and DVDs to children.
There is no cover-up of the man-made demolition because there was no
man-made demolition.
It always comes back to that, doesn't it.
To believe that something other than 4 hijacked airplanes caused all
the destruction on 9/11 is to look stupid and IMO, this is the real
purpose of the "Truth Movement", to make critics of the administration
look like idiots
Screw Bush and the Bush administration.
Screw the "Truth Movement".
Liars, all of them.
Not a single Truth Movement "expert" is willing to speak in public and
answer questions from people with relevant expertise. The resumes we
know of show that the alleged experts are speaking outside their area
of expertise.
Which has nothing to do with the core claims of the Truth Movement:
man-made explosives and molten steel on the pile at WTC and something
other than an 4 hijacked commercial airplanes causing all the damage.
That has nothing to do with the engineering analysis of the collapse
of three WTC towers and the aviation crash scene analysis at N.Y., at
the Pentagon and Shanksville that all show that 4 jets caused all the
destruction on 9/11. It says nothing bout the crime investigation
that shows that 19 Arabs hijacked those planes.
But those people represent .01% ot the world's experts and none of
your experts will answer questions from any of the 99.99% that don't
agree with Twoofer claims.
00.01% of the experts in the world have joined the "Truth Movement"
but in each case, we don't know why because they won't speak for
themselves in public or with the other 99.99%. Nobody from the "Truth
Movement" will speak in public to defend their theories with anyone
with relevant expertise.
None of these people have any expertise in structural engineering or
demolition and apparently won't speak to any group of people with
relevant expertise to explain what they believe that anything other
than two civilian jets caused all the destruction at WTC.
99.999% of the people with relevant expertise disagree with you. The
.001% that do don't have the balls to speak in front of people with
relevant expertise to defend their assertions. They just sell books
and DVDs to people that are ignorant of relevant engineering,
aviation, and history.
Prof. Jones, David Ray Griffin, and Richard Gage make Shit
up. Witnesses William Rodriquez, John Schroeder, Scott Forbes, Brian
jennings, and Kevin McPadden are the source of much of the core "Truth
Movement" claims.
To date, none of these people will speak to any but "TM friendly"
groups. They will only speak to groups that are ignorant of any the
claims being made and, hence, unable to ask meaningful questions.
That's what makes the children's crusade of the "Truth Movement" the
huge failure it is. Everyone that knows anything about aviation
laughs at the claim. The Twoofers that invent them sell books and
DVDs but never speak in public in front of people with knowledge
relevant to their claims or that actually know what happened on 9/11
in detail.
Nobody with relevant expertise thinks that man-made explosives are
necessary to explain any unknowns.
Nobody that claims man-made demolition can explain why in a way that
makes sense to the millions of of other people that have relevant
expertise.
Purge the nuts that base their other beliefs on that bullshit and
maybe you will actually help find something. The reason the "Truth
Movement" is so tiny is that some of them think that "asking
questions" consists of shouting "inside job" in a bullhorn where they
are not wanted.
Purge the nuts that base their other beliefs on that bullshit and
maybe you will actually help find something.
6 years of made up shit, fraudulent quotes, and parotted opinions from
non-experts and you've still got nothing that convinces people that
know something about civil engineering, aviation, or demolition or
were eyewitnesses or were any of the estimated 70,000 first responders
and investigators of the events of 9/11 that there is anything about
what happened that required the use of man-made explosives.
Questions are good. Not listening to fact-based, polite answers is not
good. Not everyone that fact-checks the "Truth Movement" crap is a
supporter of the Bush administration. I'm not.
You are a loon. You aren't "investigating" or "asking questions", you
have an answer and you will make up any shit and ignore any
information in order to propagate your idiocy.
Has he joined the "Truth Movement"? I don't think so. Has ANY
eyewitness joined the Truth Movement? I don't think so.
Who but an eyewitness, someone who very possibly knew someone that
died in the attack, would become a critic of the standard story if
that story was a lie, as the Truth Movement claims it is.
I wonder why, Maybe because if they know the "Truth Movement" exists,
they know that what the movement say is bullshit for the part they
saw. I know it is for me.
If you believe someone has, respond only if you know the name. Too
much of the Half-Truth Movement is based on "someone said..." when
they, in fact, said no such thing.
Put all the statements in the context of all the evidence:
Only a k00k takes one eyewitness and tries to pretend that it makes
all the testimony and evidence we have go away.
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The movement that uses the word, "Truth" too much and continues to use
people's names and quotes without permission and out of context and
continues to produce bullshit faster than fact-based people can shovel
it. I know two of the names here are people that think Twwofers are
nuts.
I also know that most of these people are making claims for which they
have zero professional expertise and therefor their request for a "new
investigation" counts for no more than my Aunt Tilly.
Several million people witnessesed some bit of the events of
9/11. Millions of us know people that saw other bits. These people
know that the people that call themselves the "Truth Movement" have
based their claims on fraudulent quotes and invented shit. Essentially
no eyewitnesses are part of the "Truth Movement". Those that are can
be counted on the fingers of onen hand and tend to make sh*t up,.
Some of us know the hacked and cherry-picked quotes that the "Truth
Movement" uses to make shit up about the WTC.
On one hand, you use out-of-context firemen's quotes to claim that
they saw man-made explosives at WTC. On the other hand, when presented
to you, you ignore the quotes of firemen that make it clear that WTC7
was on fire all day and beginning to collapse hours before it came
down. Each quote has to be red unedited and in full context. The
"Truth Movement doesn't do that.
The "Truth Movement" doesn't dispute the massive public record for the
events of 9/11. Worthy of Orwell's memory hole, they try to deny that
a public record exists to be fact-checked and to use to fact-check the
made-up shit that Truth Movement people parrot. People that were not
in NYC, Washington, DC, or Western PA on 9/11 and afterwords (or were
to young to watch the news) don't realize that about 70,000 people
worked on the recovery and thousands of reporters working for 100s of
news outlets told their stories, daily in the local media. The
workers saw, nightly, their stories and nobody ever said that the
media got it wrong in significant ways. The "Truth Movement" would
have you believe that the stories that anyone can get via computer
today never happened.
Thousands of eyewitnesses saw some aspect of the events of 9/11 and
they saw things that were consistant with PM and the "Standard Story"
and contrary to Twoofer claims.
First, I believe my own eyes as as someone familiar with WTC before
9/11, what I saw where I was in Manhattan on 9/11 and and what I saw
of the pile starting a couple weeks after 9/11. Then I believe my
friends, some of which were in WTC on 9/11 and worked on the pile for
months, afterwords.
There are many thousands of eyewitnesses and first-responders. WTC was
possibly the best photographed disaster in history. There are many
thousands of photographs and video segments. The "Truth Movement"
shows only a few and they are cherry-picked to make a point and any
evidence to the contrary is edited out.
The post-9/11 analysis and reporting is consistent with what the
eyewitnesses say and what the video record shows.
Any claim made by the "Truth Movement" has to be examined in the
context of ALL of the above.
In 6 years of whining, they have said NOTHING that fits the eyewitness
statements and the video record.
You are in unencumbered by any facts.
There is a reason why no Mahattanites that were eyewitnesses to the
plane impacts are part of the "truth movement".
It isn't just eyewitnesses, anyway, they are just part of a huge
record for the "standard story". The Twoofers have do discredit large
parts of that record AND propose an alternative theory that is
consistant with the rest of the record before thet can be taken
seriously.
Only when each bit of evidence is evaluated in the context of all the
evidence, all the eyewitness reports and the laws of physics and the
educated, informed opinion of relevent experts.
You can't cherry-pick some and ignore the rest.
Nobody with any relevant expertise in aviation or civil engineering is
using that expertise to explain how something is wrong in the
"standard story" in any way that makes sense to others with relevant
expertise.
Nobody in the "Truth Movement" is speaking within their area of
expertise unless it's a theologian speaking about "belief". Most of
the people listed by the "Truth Movement' as having technical
expertise turn out to have exaggerated their resumes when checked.
There are no eyewitnesses to "molten metal" on the pile at WTC. All
the stories turn out to be second-hand when researched.
There are no eyewitnesses that say they saw evidence of man-made
explosives at WTC. "explosion" is just a good word for "loud noise".
Nobody heard explosions as loud as the 1993 bombing consistent with
the video of the collapse. Thermite takes minutes to operate and
produces voluminous white light, white smoke and slag. Nobody saw
light and smoke prior to the collapse. Nobody found the slag,
afterwords.
Every quote of a NY fireman provided by the "Truth Movement" is a lie,
edited and out of context and without citation. The "Truth Movement"
censors information that contradicts Truthy claims.
Nobody heard explsions of size and timing consistant with any of the
collapses of any of the buildings at WTC. The explosions would have
been larger and louder than the 1993 bomb (about half a ton of TNT,
equiv) which everyone hear and didn't come close to bringing a tower
down.
At the Pentagon, There are hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw the plane
approach the building low and fast. Nobody saw that jet fly over it
and leave. Many of them saw it crash.
In PA, 95% of the aircraft debris of Flight 93 has been recovered and
all the passengers have identified by DNA.
So much for "truth".
Everyone should get the bittorent for the HBO show about the Truth
Movement for a good laugh.
"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450
Thousands of people at each site, Pentagon, Shanksville, and WTC would
have to be in on the conspiracy for it to not fall apart. There is
masive evidence at each and all of the sites that are consistant with
4 jets causing all the damage on 9/11.
All 4 planes and all 3 crash sites have all of these things in common.
Eyewitnesses for the plane crash and no
eyewitnesses for any consistant alternatinve hypothisis.
DNA [1]
Luggage scraps
Jewelry identification
airplane parts consistant with airplane typose and some having serial numbers.
4 Airplanes that were seen by air control to trun to unplanned routes and turn off transponders
never landed that day and have never been seen again.
People that never came home that day.
Black boxes with consistent serial numbers, most of which had
good data consistant with the standard story
Phone calls from the planes.
Radar tracks and FAA communication with airplanes,
There were hundreds of first responders at the Pentagon, 1700 at
Shanksville. At WTC, a thousand responded on 9/11 adn 3,000 worked on
"the pile".
[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6111758.stm FLight 11
Anyone that proposes that the civilian planes, crew and passengers have
somehow been disposed of has just expanded the number of people
involved in the conspiracy by many, many thousands and all of them
would know they were complicit in murder. Twoofers don't have a clue
how many people are involved with aviation operations.
I wonder why the k00ks never give links to full text quotes of the
people that say have joined the Half-Truth Movement?
There is no gag order on earth that could keep 3,00 firemen quiet if
they thought that some crime was the cause of the death of their
friends. Many WTC first-responders have died since, and any could
have made a death-bed statement.
But nobody with relevant expertise can explain why in any way that
makes sense to the millions of of other people that also have relevant
expertise.
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There is a NYC cable TV show called HardFire. The producer tries to
find "Truth Movement" experts. He moderates polite discussions with
someone with relevant expertise. I know that he has invited the
people named, above. All of them have turned down the invitation.
The past shows are online. http://www.hardfire.net/
Until these people speak in public and defend their claims, I don't
have to believe them and can continue to point out the stupidities in
their assertions until they can satisfy me or people with relevant
expertise. That would be people with civil engineering, demolition, or
aviation or that have a detailed knowledge of the events of 9/11.
They will continue to sell books and DVDs to the ignorant.
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Meet the Creators of "Loose Change" http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8
Meet the Scholars for 9/11 Truth http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6fe9YlHQwA
Ground Zero 911 Conspiracy Wars by Ray Rivera http://rayrivera.net
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4162315283354424113
The Ground Zeros by Mark Roberts
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5004042232637229146&hl=en
WTC Ground Zero 9/11/2007 Sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2LeCXXIjo
Les Jamieson and others of NY911Truth.org disparages the FDNY
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ny911truth.orgmembersdisparagethefdnyatg
How famous Truth Movement people repond to unfortunate truths that
show them for what they are
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt
The Naudet Film about 9/11 at WTC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
Marks's collapse video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2083421624495848233&hl=en
"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450
Anyone that hasn't seen WTC's Ground Zero in NYC and the "Truth
Movement" kooks that hang out there should look at the first three
videos. The others should be required viewing by anyone that has an
opinion about 9/11 and WTC or has never been to NYC.
Disneygeek
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:12:04 -0700 (PDT), Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com>
Well, it certainly seems that his was better than theirs!
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>On Aug 25, 6:40 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Being better than a Konspiracy kOOk is nothing to crow about.
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Shill #2
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
Freedom Fighter
news:f7255c90-ecf5-459b...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Smart, as they have NOT been debunked!
And as you cannot do so, I expect you to call me some more names - -
Iarnrod
> Smart, as they have NOT been debunked!
> And as you cannot do so, I expect you to call me some more names.
Well, of course, moron, because you are an uneducated stupid dope.
Your "physics" paper requires the suspension of laws of physics and is
based on lies. It was debunked thoroughly by the end of the first
paragraph because its foundation is LIES.
Dennis E Strausser Jr
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sbl5b4p3jrg2a0bm3...@4ax.com...
Hey ma, what does unintelligible mean?
Is that along the line of what the CT'ers are??
Not very bright? Like me at times, as sharp as a marble?
LOL
Fievel..
Government Shill #2
You are connected to the Internet. You can look it up yourself. Here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unintelligible
--
Shill #2
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge...others just gargle.
Dennis E Strausser Jr
I Believe "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
Scroll to bottom,,..
"Al Dykes" <ady...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g8u68c$kjo$1...@panix5.panix.com...
>>>> What remarkable coincidences. now go back to sleep. There is nothing
OR,, is it that hole I just made in my head talking.
Eww, my brrr, brains are driiping,, huh?
Only way I might believe these CT's...
Fievel...
Dennis E Strausser Jr
Not always, I have enough of a brain to know, somethings wrong with those
CT's,,..
Fievel.
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
On Aug 23, 3:44 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I took this from al Alex Jones poster -- really says it all.
>
> Isn’t it fascinating. All those unique phenomena on one day at the same
> event. The first time ever that steel frame buildings collapsed due to
> fire,
Except, 1) you've been shown that other steel frame buildings have
collapsed. And 2) you're ignoring the significance of the impact
damage
that people could make calls with their cellphones from miles up in
> the sky,
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Calls from that area could've went through..
It was one of the first areas to get installed the extra large cell phone
towers. Really, just large antennas.
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You don't know that this couldn't have happend.
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What I already said.....
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>
>
>
> that suicide ‘terrorists’ have all become alive again,
All over the world, 9/11 was just the first time America got hit..
>
>
> The BBC has already acknowledged their error in this regard, why can't
> you?
>
> that the
> whole US air defense failed
Where?
They were doing their jobs, and they were doing their best.
How bout this, you try to investigate over 100 threats a day, and see if you
miss any?
>
>
> The whole US air defense wasn't designed around "internal" hijackings
> Can you show an instance where it was?
>
>
> and now NIST discovering this new phenomenon
> "thermal expansion" of the thick structural steel to explain the collapse
> of building 7.
>
>There's nothing new about "thermal expansion," Look at the plates in
>the middle of bridges.
>
>
>
> What remarkable coincidences… now go back to sleep. There is nothing to
> see.
Could I have Fievel back mommy?
Please sir, could I have some more?
Fievel.
Disneygeek
> "Disneygeek" <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I haven't called you any names yet. And I don't intend to start now.
Al Dykes
You haven't posted it where anyone with relevant knowledge can see it.
Post it to j911s and see who responds, what their expertise is and
what they say.
Coward.
SHOOTER586
> Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people
> incapable of disproving a valid assertion with facts or logic, so in
> frustration they resort to childish name-calling.
AKA the FF hypocrisy
SHOOTER586
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> WOW - you paid govt shills are really desperate, aren't you. The 911
> coverup is collapsing and you know it. HAHAHA
If it were truly collapsing, then why with the childish name-calling
and juvenile behavior? I guess you have been proven wrong on TWO
collapses so far, then.
Fievel Mousekewitz Sr (Not A CT'er)
news:beb9416f-b4c9-4b06...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
Hm,, what to say...
We get much further arguing with each other?
Not sure..
That is probably true though.
Fievel.