Would you like to see Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld prosecuted for the 911 attacks?
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
do a terrible job in prosecuting them and they will be found not guilty and
then cannot be tried again.
It would just be a ploy to get them off the hook forever.
Seon Ferguson
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
I'd like to see them prosecuted for a lot more.
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
A bit more than what?
--
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Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, passed to Iarnrod.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> message news:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
>> > If they are, i can tell you what will happen. The state will
>> > deliberately
>> > do a terrible job in prosecuting them and they will be found not guilty
>> > and
>> > then cannot be tried again.
>> >
>> > It would just be a ploy to get them off the hook forever.
>>
>> I'd like to see them prosecuted for a lot more.
>>
>>
>
> A bit more than what?
> --
>
Your trying to get me into some kind of kook rant aren't you? They fucked up
on 911. If I lived in America I'd be pissed and calling for justice.
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
Well, no, but rant away, if you feel like it.
> They fucked up on 911.
How so? I smell a heap o' kooktardery comin' on!!!
>If I lived in America I'd be pissed and calling for justice.
Justice for whom and what?
Just sittin here, watching you bust up the walls. Wear your helmet!
BDK
turd.f...@snl.info says...
> in and out of the KookSide.
>
>
He's like a dog of mine that would touch a foot into the pool, over and
over again, never able to decide when or if to go in. He finally just
fell in, and I had to help him get out, as he was getting panicky.
Sounds a lot like Seon.
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> It's You're and you need some practice on the rants. You just keep
> slipping
> in and out of the KookSide.
>
But everyone fucked up, Jebus so if I admit the CIA and FBI failed I'm a
kook?
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4a24928b$0$32390$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> "BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> > In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>> > 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> in
>> >> message news:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
>> >> > If they are, i can tell you what will happen. The state will
>> >> > deliberately
>> >> > do a terrible job in prosecuting them and they will be found not
>> >> > guilty
>> >> > and
>> >> > then cannot be tried again.
>> >> >
>> >> > It would just be a ploy to get them off the hook forever.
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to see them prosecuted for a lot more.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > A bit more than what?
>> > --
>> >
>> Your trying to get me into some kind of kook rant aren't you?
>
> Well, no, but rant away, if you feel like it.
>
>> They fucked up on 911.
>
> How so? I smell a heap o' kooktardery comin' on!!!
>
>
Let me count the ways.
FBI agents weren't given approval to search a terrorist suspects hard drive
that could have prevented 911
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3067609/
FBI agents were told to back off the Binladens
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4293682,00.html
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305
FBI agents say investigations that could have stopped Binladens network were
thwarted
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2001/1075.shtml
And then there was the warnings.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL
For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late
Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - -
a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks --
advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml
(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend
trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet,
reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.
In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling
exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the
Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI,
and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the
remainder of his term.
"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under
the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice
Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was
detected or who made it.
And then the ignored warnings.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-05-28/news/u-s-ignored-warnings-from-french/
A key point in unraveling why the FBI failed to follow up leads on Al Qaeda
terrorism now centers on the Bureau's contemptuously brushing aside warnings
from French intelligence a few days before 9-11. In a footnote to her May
21, 2002, letter to FBI director Robert Mueller, Coleen Rowley, the director
of the FBI's Minneapolis office, cryptically alluded to the FBI supervising
agent in Washington being given info on the so-called 20th hijacker,
Zacarias Moussaoui, by the French last summer, but choosing not to act on
it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/national/04WARN.html?ex=1115179200&en=96fea20f8ec8769f&ei=5070
CAIRO, June 3 ? Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week
before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of
executing a significant operation against an American target, President
Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/19/64246.shtml
Capitol Hill -- The lead investigator for the joint House and Senate inquiry
said in the committee's first public hearing Wednesday that Congress was
warned that Osama bin Laden was planning a large-scale attack against U.S.
or Israeli interests two months before Sept. 11, 2001.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2242594.stm
An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has
revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations
that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil.
The bottom line is Ameruca was warned about Binladen's threat. They should
have arrested him or tried to extradite him. But they didn't. Bush waited
until after 911 to go after the threat.
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> Eh? So you are saying they failed to stop 4 jetliners with 19 terrorists
> aboard originating in American Airspace from American Airports?
>
> Get reall You really keep skipping in an out.
Not just them. Why didn't NORAD shoot any planes down?
Government Shill #2
wrote:
It wasn't NORAD's job to shoot down hijacked civilian planes.
Disagree? Show evidence.
--
Shill #2
I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and
reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no
matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and
more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the
evidence will have to be.
Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983)
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
Come on Seon, you really can't be as forgetful as you're claiming to be.
As has been shown, time and time again, before 911, NORAD wasn't
involved with flights originating in the US, only planes entering US
airspace from outside.
If you have forgotten this, after all the times you've read it in the
past, you've got something growing inside your head, pressing on
something, or you've been having electroshock treatments and don't
remember them either.
BDK
And once again, all I can say is "Boiiiinnnngggg!"
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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No I know that but isn't it in the FAA flight manual to send planes to
planes that turn off their responders?
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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These are mainstream sites, BDK. Not infowars or anything like that.
Seon Ferguson
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It had to have been someone's.
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:52:56 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> It might be now, but pre 2001 you could fly aircraft without a
> transponder. All
> I had to do was to call and file a flight plan. No one would be looking
> for me
> unless I was reported overdue at a destination by someone like a family
> member.
> A transponder malfunction in flight wasn't a reason to land an airliner
> immediately. Something like this would be handled after landing and
> before the
> plane was allowed to take off.
>
So I guess Payne Sturart's plane got shot down after 911.
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:51:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> NORAD does not control or monitor aircraft that originate in the US (May
> have
> changed by now). They were considered "trusted".
>
> You're (as in You are) reading the wrong books. Why not just look up
> NORAD on
> wiki? That would have solved a huge amount of your embarassement in the
> next
> couple of posts in this thread.
I just think something should have happened to shoot down those planes. 4
planes in 2 hours? come on.
And I know all about you're (you are) and they're (they are) or your box or
there box or their happy.
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
have a map to take a shit, and written directions on how to wipe your
ass (No more of that "arse" nonsense).
BDK
If just reading kooksites was the cause of your problems..
It's not just the sites, it's your lack of understanding of what's on
them, and what's wrong with the claims made on them. It has to do with
your "Nothing is ever grey" problem. Something happens, and whatever
result or motive is claimed, you swallow. No thinking needed.
--
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
Seon, do you have any idea how many planes are flying in the Eastern US
every morning? It's a huge number.
If you know all about you're, etc, why do you have so much trouble with
it?
BDK
Seon, how many times in your life have you been called a moron?
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm yes that's debating the facts.
Jack ass.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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But none of those planes transponders were switched off, were they?
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:59:11 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> Lets try Payne Stewart shall we. I makes for better look ups. No, his
> plane
> didn't get shot down either. On a jet such as that, not answering the
> radio
> will concern someone. Doesn't have anything to do about the transponder
> which
> is what you brought up to begin with. I thought those goal posts were
> around
> here somewhere. Goodness they've been moved. I wonder who would do such
> a
> thing as that?
>
That's what I meant. So why wasn't anyone concerned when the 4 planes
altered course?
> Payne Stewart Plane Crash Information
>
> 25 October 1999; Sunjet Aviation Learjet 35; near Aberdeen, SD: Both
> pilots and
> all four passengers, including professional golfer and 1999 U.S. Open
> winner
> Payne Stewart, were killed in the crash of a Learjet 35 aircraft (N47BA).
> The
> NTSB determined that the crash was due to an incapacitation of the flight
> crew
> members due to a loss of cabin pressurization.
>
> The jet, operated by Sunjet Aviation, was originally on a flight from
> Orlando
> to Dallas, but strayed off course over northern Florida and continued
> flying to
> the northwest until the fuel apparently ran out. The aircraft was seen to
> depart from controlled flight, and spiral to the ground, and crash.
>
> About 14 minutes after departing Orlando, air traffic controllers were
> unable
> to contact the aircraft. A U.S. Air Force F-16 was was vectored toward the
> aircraft, and after visually sighting the aircraft, the pilot was unable
> to
> contact the Learjet. The pilot also reported that both engines were
> operating
> and that the cockpit windows were obscured by condensation or frost. Four
> other
> F-16s observed the flight at various times, including the final descent
> and
> impact of the aircraft.
>
> The conditions of the windows are consistent with a loss of pressurization
> and
> a subsequent rapid drop of temperature. It is likely that the pilots and
> occupants may have lost consciousness due to hypoxia, or a lack of oxygen.
> Between the last communication between the aircraft and air traffic
> control and
> the aircraft's final descent, the aircraft was reportedly flying at times
> in
> excess of 46,000 feet (the service ceiling is about 45,000 feet).
>
> The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was
> incapacitation
> of the flight crewmembers as a result of their failure to receive
> supplemental
> oxygen following a loss of cabin pressurization, for undetermined reasons.
>
> Oh yes, Sean boy it WASN'T shot down. It ran out of JetA and crashed.
> Must be
> some good smoke there in Oz.
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:00:23 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> Again, we get this big disconnect between what you believe and reality. I
> hate
> to tell you Sean, but it is only getting worse on your side.
>
> About the English lesson, you might try to remember it sometime. Another
> mind
> like a steel trap - quite weak, rusty, and doesn't hold much anymore.
My mind is strong thanks. I actually think for myself. It looks like you do
as well though so good.
GovShill
> "Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b9d925hgtc3124pap...@4ax.com...> >>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.fergu...@snl.info> wrote in message
> >>news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >>>>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >>>>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
> >>>>>>>> wrote
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> messagenews:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
Did it? Why? When has NORAD, or any other branch of US government,
ever shot down a hijacked civilian airliner originating from a US
airport?
Shill #2
GovShill
> "Turd Ferguson" <turd.fergu...@snl.info> wrote in message
>
> news:0jg925ljd3ngtmbkb...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:52:56 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>news:MPG.248e84bc8...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >>> In article <4a24afda$0$32353$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
> >>>>news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
> >>>> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>> >>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
> >>>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
> >>>> >>> <seo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> >>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >>>> >>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >>>> >>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
> >>>> >>>>>> wrote
> >>>> >>>>>> in
> >>>> >>>>>> messagenews:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
Payne Stewart's plane was *never* shot down. It flew across the USA
with jets looking at it till it ran out of fuel and crashed.
Jesus! You're clueless about *so* many things.
Shill #2
GovShill
> "BDK" <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.248e9f87c...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <4a24ce09$0$32370$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> > 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
> >>news:8lf9251aard702iur...@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:51:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >>news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
> >> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
> >> >>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
> >> >>>>> <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >> >>>>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >> >>>>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote
> >> >>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>> messagenews:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
Do you know what happens when a transponder is switched off? The
reason the hijackers switched the transponders off?
When a transponder is switched off the aircraft disappears from RADAR
screens. Unless the operator changes to primary echo display he can no
longer see the aircraft. The thousands of other aircraft that are
transmitting transponder replies are all still there. The aircraft
without a transponder has just become an invisible needle in an
aeroplane haystack.
Shill #2
Seon Ferguson
"GovShill" <Gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Not shoot down but when a plane changes course the FAA is supposed to send a
plane up.
Seon Ferguson
"GovShill" <Gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So why weren't jets sent after the first plane when it went off course. And
I didn't mean it was shoot down.
Seon Ferguson
"GovShill" <Gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That would be a pretty good reason to send a plane up. Ok I haven't
researched this part so when the first plane went back on radar did anyone
try to contact it?
Oh what's the point. This is a debunker newsgroup now, no conspiracy
theorist will ever come to my aid. Maybe I'll just always have stupid
questions about 911.
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009001
What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
. . . .and when he didn't do it.
.... let us examine Mr. Clinton's war on terror. Some 38
days after he was sworn in, al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center. He
did not visit the twin towers that year, even though four days after the
attack he was just across the Hudson River in New Jersey, talking about
job training. He made no attempt to rally the public against terrorism.
His only public speech on the bombing was a few paragraphs inserted into a
radio address mostly devoted to an economic stimulus package. Those stray
paragraphs were limited to reassuring the public and thanking the
rescuers, the kinds of things governors say after hurricanes. He did not
even vow to bring the bombers to justice. Instead, he turned the first
terrorist attack on American soil over to the FBI.
In his Fox interview, Mr. Clinton said "no one knew that al Qaeda existed"
in October 1993, during the tragic events in Somalia. But his national
security adviser, Tony Lake, told me that he first learned of bin Laden
"sometime in 1993," when he was thought of as a terror financier. U.S.
Army Capt. James Francis Yacone, a black hawk squadron commander in
Somalia, later testified that radio intercepts of enemy mortar crews
firing at Americans were in Arabic, not Somali, suggesting the work of bin
Laden's agents (who spoke Arabic), not warlord Farah Aideed's men (who did
not). CIA and DIA reports also placed al Qaeda operatives in Somalia at
the time.
By the end of Mr. Clinton's first year, al Qaeda had apparently attacked
twice. The attacks would continue for every one of the Clinton years.
� In 1994, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who would later plan the 9/11 attacks)
launched "Operation Bojinka" to down 11 U.S. planes simultaneously over
the Pacific. A sharp-eyed Filipina police officer foiled the plot. The
sole American response: increased law-enforcement cooperation with the
Philippines.
� In 1995, al Qaeda detonated a 220-pound car bomb outside the Office of
Program Manager in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and
wounding 60 more. The FBI was sent in.
� In 1996, al Qaeda bombed the barracks of American pilots patrolling the
"no-fly zones" over Iraq, killing 19. Again, the FBI responded.
� In 1997, al Qaeda consolidated its position in Afghanistan and bin Laden
repeatedly declared war on the U.S. In February, bin Laden told an Arab TV
network: "If someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than
wasting time on other matters." No response from the Clinton
administration.
� In 1998, al Qaeda simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and
Tanzania, killing 224, including 12 U.S. diplomats. Mr. Clinton ordered
cruise-missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan in response. Here Mr.
Clinton's critics are wrong: The president was right to retaliate when
America was attacked, irrespective of the Monica Lewinsky case.
Still, "Operation Infinite Reach" was weakened by Clintonian compromise.
The State Department feared that Pakistan might spot the American missiles
in its air space and misinterpret it as an Indian attack. So Mr. Clinton
told Gen. Joe Ralston, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to
notify Pakistan's army minutes before the Tomahawks passed over Pakistan.
Given Pakistan's links to jihadis at the time, it is not surprising that
bin Laden was tipped off, fleeing some 45 minutes before the missiles
arrived.
� In 1999, the Clinton administration disrupted al Qaeda's Millennium
plots, a series of bombings stretching from Amman to Los Angeles. This
shining success was mostly the work of Richard Clarke, a NSC senior
director who forced agencies to work together. But the Millennium approach
was shortlived. Over Mr. Clarke's objections, policy reverted to the
status quo.
� In January 2000, al Qaeda tried and failed to attack the U.S.S. The
Sullivans off Yemen. (Their boat sank before they could reach their
target.) But in October 2000, an al Qaeda bomb ripped a hole in the hull
of the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39.
When Mr. Clarke presented a plan to launch a massive cruise missile strike
on al Qaeda and Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, the Clinton cabinet
voted against it. After the meeting, a State Department counterterrorism
official, Michael Sheehan, sought out Mr. Clarke. Both told me that they
were stunned. Mr. Sheehan asked Mr. Clarke: "What's it going to take to
get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the
Pentagon?"
There is much more to Mr. Clinton's record--how Predator drones, which
spotted bin Laden three times in 1999 and 2000, were grounded by
bureaucratic infighting; how a petty dispute with an Arizona senator
stopped the CIA from hiring more Arabic translators. While it is easy to
look back in hindsight and blame Bill Clinton, the full scale and nature
of the terrorist threat was not widely appreciated until 9/11. Still: Bill
Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war. Nor did he intuit that war
requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural
reluctance to use force. That is a hard lesson. But it is better to learn
it from studying the Clinton years than reliving them.
Pro-Invasion, Pro-Torture, Pro-Domestic spying.
The mind of Clinton Evil knows no rest, especially now.
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/138442.jpg
Iarnrod
<ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov> wrote:
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009001
> What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
> . . . .and when he didn't do it.
Bu-bu-bu-but Clinton!!
Manny the Muslin, why do you HATE AMERICA and why do you CALL FOR US
PRESIDENTS to OBEY your Taliban masters?
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>
>
>"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.248e84bc8...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> In article <4a24afda$0$32353$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>> news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
>>> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>> >>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
>>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>>> >>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>>> >>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote
>>> >>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>> message news:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
>> Come on Seon, you really can't be as forgetful as you're claiming to be.
>> As has been shown, time and time again, before 911, NORAD wasn't
>> involved with flights originating in the US, only planes entering US
>> airspace from outside.
>>
>> If you have forgotten this, after all the times you've read it in the
>> past, you've got something growing inside your head, pressing on
>> something, or you've been having electroshock treatments and don't
>> remember them either.
>> --
>>
>No I know that but isn't it in the FAA flight manual
FAA flight manual? What FAA flight manual?
>to send planes to planes that turn off their responders?
Responders?????
How can you make these accusations when you obviously haven't looked into
this stuff yourself?
A flight manual is something a pilot gets with his plane. It is produced by
the aircraft manufacturer and details such stuff as procedures, airspeeds,
checklists... operational stuff for pilots.
Responders? From the context you used this word in, I'm guessing you mean
transponders. A transponder is a piece of equipment in an aircraft that
automatically replies with a coded signal to the interrogations of a
secondary surveillance RADAR. This code is normally assigned by air traffic
control, but it can be changed by the pilot. There are set codes that may
be entered for Lost Communications, General Emergency, or Hijacking. If a
transponder goes off while the aircraft is in flight this could be because
the transponder has failed, the aircraft has blown up, or crashed, or
someone has turned it off.
Air traffic controllers generally (always?) use their RADAR stations in a
mode which displays secondary (functioning transponder) targets only. This
means that the primary (normal RADAR echoes) targets don't display. Anyone
without a transponder does not show up on their RADAR. Turn the transponder
off and the aircraft disappears. The mode of the RADAR has to be changed to
*try* and relocate it.
All of this is in the 911 Commission Report which I asked you to read the
last time we went over this stuff. You *did* read it. Didn't you?
--
Shill #2
With stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Friedrich von Schiller (1759 - 1805)
Government Shill #2
wrote:
Seon, the only people here with facts are us. The debunkers. You have never
looked up a fact in your life. I gave you references to the 911 Commission
Report the last time we went over this. Did you read it? You know? Look up
some FACTS?
>Jack ass.
Don't want to be called a moron? Look up the *facts* before you asked
questions that have been answered by pointing you toward the facts.
READ THE BLOODY REPORT. Then, if you don't agree with what is said in the
report you can tell us what it is.
--
Shill #2
I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it.
Edith Sitwell (1887 - 1964)
Government Shill #2
wrote:
They were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
READ THE FUCKING REPORT!
The procedures, as they were specified on the day, were followed.
You are asking questions about stuff that never happened! How can anyone
answer a question about something that *never* happened?
CHRIST!
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>That's what I meant. So why wasn't anyone concerned when the 4 planes
>altered course?
People were concerned. Actions *were* taken. Read the goddamn report!
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>
>Not shoot down
YOU just said "Why didn't NORAD shoot any planes down?"
>but when a plane changes course the FAA is supposed to send a
>plane up.
AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND
THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY
DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID!
AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND
THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY DID! AND THEY
DID! AND THEY DID!
Christ! Read the 911 Commission Report. Aircraft were sent up. Exactly as
laid down in operating instructions as they existed on that day.
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>
>
>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
>news:8lf9251aard702iur...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:51:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>>news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>>>>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>>>>>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>>>>>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> message news:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
>>>>>>>>> > If they are, i can tell you what will happen. The state will
>>>>>>>>> > deliberately
>>>>>>>>> > do a terrible job in prosecuting them and they will be found not
>>>>>>>>> > guilty
>>>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>>> > then cannot be tried again.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > It would just be a ploy to get them off the hook forever.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to see them prosecuted for a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bit more than what?
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your trying to get me into some kind of kook rant aren't you? They
>>>>>>>fucked
>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>on 911. If I lived in America I'd be pissed and calling for justice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's You're and you need some practice on the rants. You just keep
>>>>>> slipping
>>>>>> in and out of the KookSide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>But everyone fucked up, Jebus so if I admit the CIA and FBI failed I'm a
>>>>>kook?
>>>>
>>>> Eh? So you are saying they failed to stop 4 jetliners with 19
>>>> terrorists
>>>> aboard originating in American Airspace from American Airports?
>>>>
>>>> Get reall You really keep skipping in an out.
>>>
>>>Not just them. Why didn't NORAD shoot any planes down?
>>
>>
>> NORAD does not control or monitor aircraft that originate in the US (May
>> have
>> changed by now). They were considered "trusted".
>>
>> You're (as in You are) reading the wrong books. Why not just look up
>> NORAD on
>> wiki? That would have solved a huge amount of your embarassement in the
>> next
>> couple of posts in this thread.
>
>I just think something should have happened to shoot down those planes. 4
>planes in 2 hours? come on.
Why? Where did it say in the regulations that any off course aircraft
should be summarily shot down? You think this should of happened. You must
know what the regulations were. Please share.
Government Shill #2
wrote:
Send a plane up WHERE????????????
The fucking plane you are looking for has DISAPPEARED! How fucking hard is
this to understand?
>Ok I haven't researched this part
REALLY? You shock me!
>so when the first plane went back on radar
Went back on RADAR?
>did anyone try to contact it?
I'm sure there were air traffic controls who were desperately trying to
contact these aircraft.
Details are in the 911 Commission Report. READ IT!
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
>Oh what's the point. This is a debunker newsgroup now, no conspiracy
>theorist will ever come to my aid. Maybe I'll just always have stupid
>questions about 911.
Until you read the 911 Commission Report all your questions are, in fact,
stupid.
READ IT.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
THEN ask your questions.
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
If you had only worn your helmet when it could have done some good.
How could you not have figured this stuff out after seven+ years? All
this nonsense has been disproven, over and over again, yet you seem to
have no memory of it.
It's just weird.
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, passed to Iarnrod.
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
I know I should be patient with "special" people, but damn, Seon has no
memory, on top of being sucked in by every kookpage claim he reads.
Or has read to him. I kind of wonder sometimes.
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:16:13 +0200, Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>Ah, there you go again. Confusing Sean with those pesky little things called
>facts and evidence.
><sigh>
Yes. Sigh indeed. He carries on about what *should* have happened without
knowing what *did* happen. And doesn't see anything wrong with this!
Fucking absolutely staggering!
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
Your mind is strong?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Wait...
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ok, I guess I'm done for now..
Government Shill #2
>I know I should be patient with "special" people, but damn, Seon has no
>memory, on top of being sucked in by every kookpage claim he reads.
>
>Or has read to him. I kind of wonder sometimes.
He seems to take any kOOk nonsense at face value, but not why he is told by
us. Or what he *could* read for himself at the sources available to
everyone with an internet connection. Staggering.
--
Shill #2
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
Government Shill #2
Next week we'll be back to the Waco thing, then the week after it will be
Gaza again.
--
Shill #2
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
He's accelerating towards the kookside again. Not that he ever gets too
far from it. It's truly home for Seon.
Freedom Fighter
believe in the death penalty. The mass-murder of 3000 innocent Americans is
not exactly a minor misdemeanor, you know. These traitorous fascists should
hang from the same noose used for Saddam Hussein, as they are of the same
ilk!
Government Shill #2
>He's accelerating towards the kookside again. Not that he ever gets too
>far from it. It's truly home for Seon.
He heard that someone said that that's the way it should happen. And then
accuses all sorts of people of no doing what they should have done. With a
straight face. Staggering!
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>I always thought that TREASON was a capital crime, and in this case I
>believe in the death penalty. The mass-murder of 3000 innocent
people from many countries
>is not exactly a minor misdemeanor, you know. These traitorous fascists should
>hang from the same noose used for Saddam Hussein, as they are of the same
>ilk!
--
Shill #2
If Freedom Fighter says a foolish thing fifty million times, it is
still a foolish thing.
Me (with apologies to Anatole France)
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
Had Bill Clinton done back in '93 to Mogadishu
what Ethiopia accomplished in a SINGLE WEEK a decade later,
there would have factually been no OBL, no AlQaeda, no 911...
The world is the way it is precisely-because of Bill Clinton.
Precisely-Because LIBs offer open ended compromise
to an Evil which knows NONE.
"to leave now we would send a message to terrorists
and other potential adversaries around the world that
they can change our policies by killing our people.
It would be open season on Americans."
-- Bill Clinton '93
just before he pulled out of Somalia.
Visualize World Death.
This is Clinton's Bridge.
Iarnrod
<ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov> wrote:
> Had Bill Clinton done back in '93 ...
marika
"Freedom Fighter" <lib...@once.net> wrote in message
news:8jeVl.313301$4m1.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>I always thought that TREASON was a capital crime, and in this case I
>believe in the death penalty.
I heard an interview one morning on NPR's the Takeaway some financial guy
from NYU, Naseem something or other and he said things that once he voiced
them it was so obvious - Greenspan and Bernanke are responsible for the
problems, why are we asking them to fix them now. And the bailout of bank
CEO's getting middle/lower class taxpayer millions - how is that moral.
Basically he said we should let things take their course and let everything
find it's natural level, which I agree.
>The mass-murder of 3000 innocent Americans is not exactly a minor
>misdemeanor, you know. These traitorous fascists should hang from the same
>noose used for Saddam Hussein, as they are of the same ilk!
>
In general I didn't like Saddam Hussein's economy picks, either,
but they all have been proven wrong. The one that sounded good was Joseph
Stiglitz who of course was not picked for Obama's cabinet.
mk5000
"Gotta keep hopin for love
What is love?
Somebody show me
What is love?
Cus if you told me
What is love?
I wouldn't be lonely"--jennifer lopez
marika
>
> If just reading kooksites was the cause of your problems..
>
> It's not just the sites, it's your lack of understanding of what's on
> them, and what's wrong with the claims made on them. It has to do with
> your "Nothing is ever grey" problem. Something happens, and whatever
> result or motive is claimed, you swallow. No thinking needed.
> --
>
here are some links to pork recipes
Pork is almost always grety
http://www.grouprecipes.com/s/pork-belly/recipe/1/relevancy
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/413840
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/362380
\
Emeril
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/tangerine-glazed-pork-belly-recipe/index.html
1
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4057636&page=1
1
stuffed
with cured cabbage
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.asian/browse_frm/thread/c354e5d08b06fbaf?hl=en&q=pork+belly+recipe
marika
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gqja2558q73tukhhl...@4ax.com...
>
> Until you read the 911 Commission Report all your questions are, in fact,
> stupid.
>
> READ IT.
> http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
>
> THEN ask your questions.
>
> --
Hi Shill
You are pretty good at this stuff
werer you in time to apply for one of these jobs
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41749&dcn=e_wfw
FBI seeks more than 3,000 new staff in historic hiring blitz
By Brittany R. Ballenstedt January 8, 2009
The FBI has launched a major hiring initiative aimed at filling more than
3,000 professional and special agent jobs left vacant due to retirements and
attrition, the bureau announced this week.
The FBI said on Monday that it expects to fill more than 2,100 professional
staff positions throughout its field offices and headquarters divisions. The
vacancies include fields such as engineering, finance, human resources,
information technology, nursing and records management. The bureau also
plans to hire 850 new special agents.
"The FBI has posted these new positions to meet current and expected
vacancies primarily due to retirements and attrition," spokeswoman Denise
Ballew said Wednesday. The hiring blitz is one of the largest in the FBI's
101-year history.
The bureau's recruitment strategies will include enhanced targeting for
critically skilled professionals, specifically those fluent in at least one
of several foreign languages, including Arabic, Chinese, Farsi, Korean,
Pashto, Russian, Spanish and Vietnamese, Ballew said. The bureau also will
target individuals with skills in information technology, engineering,
intelligence, law, military and physical sciences, she added.
To speed the process, the FBI also plans to hold a mega career invitational,
where all selected candidates will gather at designated locations for
interviews. Those who are selected for positions will be immediately
scheduled for polygraphs, drug screenings and employment briefings, the
bureau said.
All open positions, which are posted on the new FBI Jobs Web site, will
close Jan. 16. The bureau expects to have all positions filled and employees
on board by Sept. 30.
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
Anoter choice moment of LIB Strategic Insanity:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_iran_july4;
_ylt=AmyFtfaZgWPgLNu6L52k3McDW7oF
US inviting Iranian diplomats to July 4 parties
How about an admonition about no-admittance
to those politico's wearing "Death to America" tea-shirts?
Just what *DO* the UTTER BUFFOONS at State 'think' that means?
This is precisely-why a fact based memorial to 911
would be incomplete without a 40ft statue of Hillary
with Bill on a Leash, pissing all over the American flag,
while she listen to the Sean Penn "Death to America" broadcast
live from Tehran, while reading newsweek...
Remember who did this.
Got Terror?
Thank CLINTON!
Government Shill #2
>
>"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gqja2558q73tukhhl...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Until you read the 911 Commission Report all your questions are, in fact,
>> stupid.
>>
>> READ IT.
>> http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
>>
>> THEN ask your questions.
>>
>> --
>
>Hi Shill
>You are pretty good at this stuff
>werer you in time to apply for one of these jobs
Apply for one of those jobs? Why? You don't get to be #2 overnight you
know. I've been with the ministry since 1996.
--
Shill #2
Pay Section
Disinformation Directorate
Ministry of Information
European Division
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
Yeah, I bet if we plotted it all out, there would be a distinct pattern
visible.
Maybe it would break "The case of the curious kooktard", and allow
medical science to develop some treatment for the acute form of
Kooktardery.
BDK
I notice he's gone into lurk mode. Who would have thunk it?
BDK
lib...@once.net says...
Of course, in your little fantasy, you would execute the wrong people.
Do you kooks ever get anything right?
Government Shill #2
>I notice he's gone into lurk mode. Who would have thunk it?
He apparently read the last paragraph of the CO2 post I sent him. Not the
rest, just the last paragraph. I think this might be why he never seems to
know anything after we tell him again and again. He never reads more than
the last bit.
Government Shill #2
>Yeah, I bet if we plotted it all out, there would be a distinct pattern
>visible.
>
>Maybe it would break "The case of the curious kooktard", and allow
>medical science to develop some treatment for the acute form of
>Kooktardery.
Yes. If only someone could map the Kooknome.
quintal
@yahoo.com says...
> If they are, i can tell you what will happen. The state will deliberately
> do a terrible job in prosecuting them and they will be found not guilty and
> then cannot be tried again.
>
> It would just be a ploy to get them off the hook forever.
even if they would be found guilty, it would still be a deception.
--
blog : http://quintaldo.wordpress.com/
files site : http://www.divshare.com/download/5059726-d25
quintal
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
>
> "Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
> >>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> message news:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
> >>>>>> > deliberately
> >>>>>> > do a terrible job in prosecuting them and they will be found not
> >>>>>> > guilty
> >>>>>> > and
> >>>>>> > then cannot be tried again.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > It would just be a ploy to get them off the hook forever.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A bit more than what?
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>Your trying to get me into some kind of kook rant aren't you? They
> >>>>fucked
> >>>>up
> >>>>on 911. If I lived in America I'd be pissed and calling for justice.
> >>>
> >>> It's You're and you need some practice on the rants. You just keep
> >>> slipping
> >>> in and out of the KookSide.
> >>>
> >>But everyone fucked up, Jebus so if I admit the CIA and FBI failed I'm a
> >>kook?
> >
> > Eh? So you are saying they failed to stop 4 jetliners with 19 terrorists
> > aboard originating in American Airspace from American Airports?
> >
> > Get reall You really keep skipping in an out.
>
> Not just them. Why didn't NORAD shoot any planes down?
>
to this question and others.
quintal
gov....@gmail.com says...
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:51:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
wrong answer.
> Disagree? Show evidence.
>
> --
> Shill #2
>
> I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and
> reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no
> matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and
> more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the
> evidence will have to be.
> Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983)
quintal
turd.f...@snl.info says...
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:59:11 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
> >> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:52:56 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> >>>news:MPG.248e84bc8...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >>>> In article <4a24afda$0$32353$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> As has been shown, time and time again, before 911, NORAD wasn't
> >>>> involved with flights originating in the US, only planes entering US
> >>>> airspace from outside.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have forgotten this, after all the times you've read it in the
> >>>> past, you've got something growing inside your head, pressing on
> >>>> something, or you've been having electroshock treatments and don't
> >>>> remember them either.
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>No I know that but isn't it in the FAA flight manual to send planes to
> >>>planes that turn off their responders?
> >>
> >> It might be now, but pre 2001 you could fly aircraft without a
> >> transponder. All
> >> I had to do was to call and file a flight plan. No one would be looking
> >> for me
> >> unless I was reported overdue at a destination by someone like a family
> >> member.
> >> A transponder malfunction in flight wasn't a reason to land an airliner
> >> immediately. Something like this would be handled after landing and
> >> before the
> >> plane was allowed to take off.
> >>
> >So I guess Payne Sturart's plane got shot down after 911.
> >
>
>
> didn't get shot down either. On a jet such as that, not answering the radio
> will concern someone. Doesn't have anything to do about the transponder which
> is what you brought up to begin with. I thought those goal posts were around
> here somewhere. Goodness they've been moved. I wonder who would do such a
> thing as that?
>
> Payne Stewart Plane Crash Information
>
> 25 October 1999; Sunjet Aviation Learjet 35; near Aberdeen, SD: Both pilots and
> all four passengers, including professional golfer and 1999 U.S. Open winner
> Payne Stewart, were killed in the crash of a Learjet 35 aircraft (N47BA). The
> NTSB determined that the crash was due to an incapacitation of the flight crew
> members due to a loss of cabin pressurization.
>
> The jet, operated by Sunjet Aviation, was originally on a flight from Orlando
> to Dallas, but strayed off course over northern Florida and continued flying to
> the northwest until the fuel apparently ran out. The aircraft was seen to
> depart from controlled flight, and spiral to the ground, and crash.
>
> About 14 minutes after departing Orlando, air traffic controllers were unable
> to contact the aircraft. A U.S. Air Force F-16 was was vectored toward the
> aircraft, and after visually sighting the aircraft, the pilot was unable to
> contact the Learjet. The pilot also reported that both engines were operating
> and that the cockpit windows were obscured by condensation or frost. Four other
> F-16s observed the flight at various times, including the final descent and
> impact of the aircraft.
>
> The conditions of the windows are consistent with a loss of pressurization and
> a subsequent rapid drop of temperature. It is likely that the pilots and
> occupants may have lost consciousness due to hypoxia, or a lack of oxygen.
> Between the last communication between the aircraft and air traffic control and
> the aircraft's final descent, the aircraft was reportedly flying at times in
> excess of 46,000 feet (the service ceiling is about 45,000 feet).
>
> The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was incapacitation
> of the flight crewmembers as a result of their failure to receive supplemental
> oxygen following a loss of cabin pressurization, for undetermined reasons.
>
> Oh yes, Sean boy it WASN'T shot down. It ran out of JetA and crashed. Must be
> some good smoke there in Oz.
>
that's just another fucking conspiracy i tell ya !
quintal
gov....@gmail.com says...
>
> >to send planes to planes that turn off their responders?
>
>
> How can you make these accusations when you obviously haven't looked into
> this stuff yourself?
>
> A flight manual is something a pilot gets with his plane. It is produced by
> the aircraft manufacturer and details such stuff as procedures, airspeeds,
> checklists... operational stuff for pilots.
>
> Responders? From the context you used this word in, I'm guessing you mean
> transponders. A transponder is a piece of equipment in an aircraft that
> automatically replies with a coded signal to the interrogations of a
> secondary surveillance RADAR. This code is normally assigned by air traffic
> control, but it can be changed by the pilot. There are set codes that may
> be entered for Lost Communications, General Emergency, or Hijacking. If a
> transponder goes off while the aircraft is in flight this could be because
> the transponder has failed, the aircraft has blown up, or crashed, or
> someone has turned it off.
>
> Air traffic controllers generally (always?) use their RADAR stations in a
> mode which displays secondary (functioning transponder) targets only. This
> means that the primary (normal RADAR echoes) targets don't display. Anyone
> without a transponder does not show up on their RADAR. Turn the transponder
> off and the aircraft disappears. The mode of the RADAR has to be changed to
> *try* and relocate it.
>
> All of this is in the 911 Commission Report which I asked you to read the
> last time we went over this stuff. You *did* read it. Didn't you?
too long
i couldnt read all
>
> --
> Shill #2
>
> With stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
> Friedrich von Schiller (1759 - 1805)
>
--
quintal
turd.f...@snl.info says...
> changed by now). They were considered "trusted".
>
> You're (as in You are) reading the wrong books. Why not just look up NORAD on
> wiki?
boring, tiring.
> That would have solved a huge amount of your embarassement in the next
> couple of posts in this thread.
that i can cope with, no problem:)
quintal
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...> news:8lf9251aard702iur...@4ax.com...
> > couple of posts in this thread.
>
> planes in 2 hours? come on.
> And I know all about you're (you are) and they're (they are) or your box or
> there box or their happy.
>
>
>
quintal
01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>
>
> "GovShill" <Gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cfc43255-5796-42b6...@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 2, 9:55 am, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "BDK" <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:MPG.248e9f87c...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > In article <4a24ce09$0$32370$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >> > 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> >>news:8lf9251aard702iur...@4ax.com...
> >> >> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:51:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
> >> >> > <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >>news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
> >> >> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
> >> >> >>> <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >>>>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
> >> >> >>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
> >> >> >>>>> <seo...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >>>>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> >> >> >>>>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> >> >> >>>>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote
> >> >> >>>>>>>> in
> >> >> >>>>>>>> messagenews:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
> >> > every morning? It's a huge number.
> >>
> >> > If you know all about you're, etc, why do you have so much trouble with
> >> > it?
> >>
> >> But none of those planes transponders were switched off, were they
> >
> > Do you know what happens when a transponder is switched off? The
> > reason the hijackers switched the transponders off?
> >
> > When a transponder is switched off the aircraft disappears from RADAR
> > screens. Unless the operator changes to primary echo display he can no
> > longer see the aircraft. The thousands of other aircraft that are
> > transmitting transponder replies are all still there. The aircraft
> > without a transponder has just become an invisible needle in an
> > aeroplane haystack.
> >
> > Shill #2
>
> That would be a pretty good reason to send a plane up. Ok I haven't
> researched this part so when the first plane went back on radar did anyone
> try to contact it?
> Oh what's the point. This is a debunker newsgroup now, no conspiracy
> theorist will ever come to my aid. Maybe I'll just always have stupid
> questions about 911.
not maybe, surely.
and it's been plain since you first started posting here.
quintal
turd.f...@snl.info says...
> ran into the 9/11 Trufer Kookers. The Grand Canyon of stupiidity and willful
> ignorance would be a better name.
>
yeah but, what about the buildings?
quintal
gov....@gmail.com says...
>
> The fucking plane you are looking for has DISAPPEARED! How fucking hard is
> this to understand?
>
awesome
so next time bin laden or dick cheney want to crash a plane in a
building, all they have to do is turning the plane's transponders off
and they wont be bothered by anyone !
wow thanks
>
>
> >Ok I haven't researched this part
>
>
> REALLY? You shock me!
>
>
>
>
> >so when the first plane went back on radar
>
>
>
> Went back on RADAR?
>
>
>
> >did anyone try to contact it?
>
>
> I'm sure there were air traffic controls who were desperately trying to
> contact these aircraft.
>
> Details are in the 911 Commission Report. READ IT!
>
> http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
>
>
>
> >Oh what's the point. This is a debunker newsgroup now, no conspiracy
> >theorist will ever come to my aid. Maybe I'll just always have stupid
> >questions about 911.
>
>
>
> Until you read the 911 Commission Report all your questions are, in fact,
> stupid.
>
> READ IT.
> http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
>
> THEN ask your questions.
>
> --
> Shill #2
>
> With stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
> Friedrich von Schiller (1759 - 1805)
>
--
quintal
gov....@gmail.com says...
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:15:52 -0700, Turd Ferguson <turd.f...@snl.info>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:16:13 +0200, Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>REALLY? You shock me!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>so when the first plane went back on radar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Went back on RADAR?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>did anyone try to contact it?
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm sure there were air traffic controls who were desperately trying to
> >>contact these aircraft.
> >>
> >>Details are in the 911 Commission Report. READ IT!
> >>
> >>http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Oh what's the point. This is a debunker newsgroup now, no conspiracy
> >>>theorist will ever come to my aid. Maybe I'll just always have stupid
> >>>questions about 911.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Until you read the 911 Commission Report all your questions are, in fact,
> >>stupid.
> >>
> >>READ IT.
> >>http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/index.htm
> >>
> >>THEN ask your questions.
> >
> >facts and evidence.
> ><sigh>
>
> Yes. Sigh indeed. He carries on about what *should* have happened without
> knowing what *did* happen. And doesn't see anything wrong with this!
> Fucking absolutely staggering!
and you're loving it
replying to his every post
you really need kookmice to keep you entertained
Seon Ferguson
"quintal" <qui...@francom.esoterisme> wrote in message
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Now I'm back to not knowing what to believe.
Seon Ferguson
"quintal" <qui...@francom.esoterisme> wrote in message
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Well Dick Cheyney did take over the shoot down order didn't he?
quintal
ExPre...@au.revoir.gov says...
>
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009001
> What Clinton Didn't Do . . .
> . . . .and when he didn't do it.
>
> .... let us examine Mr. Clinton's war on terror. Some 38
> days after he was sworn in, al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center.
al qaeda doesn't exist
http://quintaldo.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/al-qaeda-doesnt-exist/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7wvmv_al-qaeda-doesnt-exist-
documentary-1_news
http://www.alqaedadoesntexist.com/
> He
> did not visit the twin towers that year, even though four days after the
> attack he was just across the Hudson River in New Jersey, talking about
> job training. He made no attempt to rally the public against terrorism.
> His only public speech on the bombing was a few paragraphs inserted into a
> radio address mostly devoted to an economic stimulus package. Those stray
> paragraphs were limited to reassuring the public and thanking the
> rescuers, the kinds of things governors say after hurricanes. He did not
> even vow to bring the bombers to justice. Instead, he turned the first
> terrorist attack on American soil over to the FBI.
>
> In his Fox interview, Mr. Clinton said "no one knew that al Qaeda existed"
> in October 1993, during the tragic events in Somalia. But his national
> security adviser, Tony Lake, told me that he first learned of bin Laden
> "sometime in 1993," when he was thought of as a terror financier. U.S.
> Army Capt. James Francis Yacone, a black hawk squadron commander in
> Somalia, later testified that radio intercepts of enemy mortar crews
> firing at Americans were in Arabic, not Somali, suggesting the work of bin
> Laden's agents (who spoke Arabic), not warlord Farah Aideed's men (who did
> not). CIA and DIA reports also placed al Qaeda operatives in Somalia at
> the time.
>
> By the end of Mr. Clinton's first year, al Qaeda had apparently attacked
> twice. The attacks would continue for every one of the Clinton years.
>
> ? In 1994, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who would later plan the 9/11 attacks)
> launched "Operation Bojinka" to down 11 U.S. planes simultaneously over
> the Pacific. A sharp-eyed Filipina police officer foiled the plot. The
> sole American response: increased law-enforcement cooperation with the
> Philippines.
>
> ? In 1995, al Qaeda detonated a 220-pound car bomb outside the Office of
> Program Manager in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and
> wounding 60 more. The FBI was sent in.
>
> ? In 1996, al Qaeda bombed the barracks of American pilots patrolling the
> "no-fly zones" over Iraq, killing 19. Again, the FBI responded.
>
> ? In 1997, al Qaeda consolidated its position in Afghanistan and bin Laden
> repeatedly declared war on the U.S. In February, bin Laden told an Arab TV
> network: "If someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than
> wasting time on other matters." No response from the Clinton
> administration.
>
> ? In 1998, al Qaeda simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and
> Tanzania, killing 224, including 12 U.S. diplomats. Mr. Clinton ordered
> cruise-missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan in response. Here Mr.
> Clinton's critics are wrong: The president was right to retaliate when
> America was attacked, irrespective of the Monica Lewinsky case.
>
> Still, "Operation Infinite Reach" was weakened by Clintonian compromise.
> The State Department feared that Pakistan might spot the American missiles
> in its air space and misinterpret it as an Indian attack. So Mr. Clinton
> told Gen. Joe Ralston, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to
> notify Pakistan's army minutes before the Tomahawks passed over Pakistan.
> Given Pakistan's links to jihadis at the time, it is not surprising that
> bin Laden was tipped off, fleeing some 45 minutes before the missiles
> arrived.
>
> ? In 1999, the Clinton administration disrupted al Qaeda's Millennium
> plots, a series of bombings stretching from Amman to Los Angeles. This
> shining success was mostly the work of Richard Clarke, a NSC senior
> director who forced agencies to work together. But the Millennium approach
> was shortlived. Over Mr. Clarke's objections, policy reverted to the
> status quo.
>
> ? In January 2000, al Qaeda tried and failed to attack the U.S.S. The
> Sullivans off Yemen. (Their boat sank before they could reach their
> target.) But in October 2000, an al Qaeda bomb ripped a hole in the hull
> of the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39.
>
> When Mr. Clarke presented a plan to launch a massive cruise missile strike
> on al Qaeda and Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, the Clinton cabinet
> voted against it. After the meeting, a State Department counterterrorism
> official, Michael Sheehan, sought out Mr. Clarke. Both told me that they
> were stunned. Mr. Sheehan asked Mr. Clarke: "What's it going to take to
> get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to attack the
> Pentagon?"
>
> There is much more to Mr. Clinton's record--how Predator drones, which
> spotted bin Laden three times in 1999 and 2000, were grounded by
> bureaucratic infighting; how a petty dispute with an Arizona senator
> stopped the CIA from hiring more Arabic translators. While it is easy to
> look back in hindsight and blame Bill Clinton, the full scale and nature
> of the terrorist threat was not widely appreciated until 9/11. Still: Bill
> Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war. Nor did he intuit that war
> requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural
> reluctance to use force. That is a hard lesson. But it is better to learn
> it from studying the Clinton years than reliving them.
>
>
> Pro-Invasion, Pro-Torture, Pro-Domestic spying.
> The mind of Clinton Evil knows no rest, especially now.
> http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/138442.jpg
Seon Ferguson
"quintal" <qui...@francom.esoterisme> wrote in message
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I hadn't even heard of usenet back then. But I could take a look at the
archives.
Seon Ferguson
"quintal" <qui...@francom.esoterisme> wrote in message
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I don't know. People do have pretty good arguments on both sides. *sigh* BDK
is right I am sitting on the fence thus I go from one way of thinking to
another.
As I said I don't know but I do know governments use fear to control people.
That much I am certain off.
quintal
ExPre...@au.revoir.gov says...
http://quintaldo.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/aaron-russo-nick-rockefeller/
http://quintaldo.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/full-aaron-russo-interview/
quintal
> should be summarily shot down? You think this should of happened.
"this should HAVE happened".
weren't you giving grammar lessons to seon in this thread earlier?
> You must
> know what the regulations were. Please share.
>
>
> --
> Shill #2
>
> With stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
> Friedrich von Schiller (1759 - 1805)
>
--
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
> MANFRED
>> Another choice moment of LIB Strategic Insanity:
>>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_iran_july4;
>> _ylt=AmyFtfaZgWPgLNu6L52k3McDW7oF
>>
>> US inviting Iranian diplomats to July 4 parties
>>
>>
>> How about an admonition about no-admittance
>> to those politico's wearing "Death to America" tea-shirts?
>>
>> Just what *DO* the UTTER BUFFOONS at State 'think' that means?
>>
>>
>> This is precisely-why a fact based memorial to 911
>> would be incomplete without a 40ft statue of Hillary
>> with Bill on a Leash, pissing all over the American flag,
>> while she listen to the Sean Penn "Death to America" broadcast
>> live from Tehran, while reading newsweek...
>>
>> Remember who did this.
>>
>>
>> Got Terror?
>> Thank CLINTON!
>
> the war on terror is a farce
>
> http://quintaldo.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/aaron-russo-nick-rockefeller/
> http://quintaldo.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/full-aaron-russo-interview/
Coming to a Theater near YOU!
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/111730.jpg
http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/111752.jpg
Government Shill #2
wrote:
Why? Did quintal give you a fact? Did he back up his fact with evidence?
No? So why is what he said causing confusion? He's wrong (at best).
Government Shill #2
wrote:
No they don't. Truthers like quintal have no argument at all. They have
speculation, half truths and lies.
>*sigh* BDK is right I am sitting on the fence thus I go from one way of thinking to
>another.
>As I said I don't know but I do know governments use fear to control people.
>That much I am certain off.
Have you read the "official story" in the 911 Commission Report yet? No?
Then how can you say you're sitting on the fence. You are on the kOOker
side of the fence.
BDK
qui...@francom.esoterisme says...
Right answer.
>
>
> > Disagree? Show evidence.
> >
> > --
> > Shill #2
> >
> > I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and
> > reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no
> > matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and
> > more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the
> > evidence will have to be.
> > Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983)
> >
> >
>
>
--
BDK..
marika
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Apply for one of those jobs? Why? You don't get to be #2 overnight you
> know. I've been with the ministry since 1996.
>
Couldn't find the report. Where's the free food?
mk5000
"you need more
than Gerhard Richter hanging on the wall
a chauffeur driven limousine on call
to drive your wife and lover to a white tie ball"--love etc pet shop boys
Seon Ferguson
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You mean like evidence it was NORAD's job to shoot down ALL PLANES on 911?
domestic and international?
Seon Ferguson
"Turd Ferguson" <turd.f...@snl.info> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:01:21 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"GovShill" <Gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:cfc43255-5796-42b6...@j32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jun 2, 9:55 am, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "BDK" <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:MPG.248e9f87c...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > In article <4a24ce09$0$32370$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>>>> > 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> >> "Turd Ferguson" <turd.fergu...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>>> >>news:8lf9251aard702iur...@4ax.com...
>>>> >> > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:51:31 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> >> > <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.fergu...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>news:0na925p4l0nqf253k...@4ax.com...
>>>> >> >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:18:58 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> >> >>> <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>"Turd Ferguson" <turd.fergu...@snl.info> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>>>news:jm5925dtk79m4fmol...@4ax.com...
>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:32 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> >> >>>>> <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>"BDK" <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >>>>>>news:MPG.248e54a2e...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>>>> >> >>>>>>> In article <4a248635$0$32336$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>>>> >> >>>>>>> 01.iinet.net.au>, seo...@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> <xeton2...@yahoo.com>
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> in
>>>> >> >>>>>>>> messagenews:Xns9C1D8AF4F477Fr...@216.168.3.70...
>>>> >> > NORAD does not control or monitor aircraft that originate in the
>>>> >> > US
>>>> >> > (May
>>>> >> > have
>>>> >> > changed by now). They were considered "trusted".
>>>>
>>>> >> > You're (as in You are) reading the wrong books. Why not just look
>>>> >> > up
>>>> >> > NORAD on
>>>> >> > wiki? That would have solved a huge amount of your embarassement
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > next
>>>> >> > couple of posts in this thread.
>>>>
>>>> >> I just think something should have happened to shoot down those
>>>> >> planes. 4
>>>> >> planes in 2 hours? come on.
>>>> >> And I know all about you're (you are) and they're (they are) or your
>>>> >> box
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> there box or their happy.
>>>>
>>>> > Seon, do you have any idea how many planes are flying in the Eastern
>>>> > US
>>>> > every morning? It's a huge number.
>>>>
>>>> > If you know all about you're, etc, why do you have so much trouble
>>>> > with
>>>> > it?
>>>>
>>>> But none of those planes transponders were switched off, were they
>>>
>>> Do you know what happens when a transponder is switched off? The
>>> reason the hijackers switched the transponders off?
>>>
>>> When a transponder is switched off the aircraft disappears from RADAR
>>> screens. Unless the operator changes to primary echo display he can no
>>> longer see the aircraft. The thousands of other aircraft that are
>>> transmitting transponder replies are all still there. The aircraft
>>> without a transponder has just become an invisible needle in an
>>> aeroplane haystack.
>>>
>>> Shill #2
>>
>>That would be a pretty good reason to send a plane up. Ok I haven't
>>researched this part so when the first plane went back on radar did anyone
>>try to contact it?
>>Oh what's the point. This is a debunker newsgroup now, no conspiracy
>>theorist will ever come to my aid. Maybe I'll just always have stupid
>>questions about 911.
>
> I used to think that there wasn't such a thing as a stupid question, but
> then I
> ran into the 9/11 Trufer Kookers. The Grand Canyon of stupiidity and
> willful
> ignorance would be a better name.
I think YEC are more ignorant.
Seon Ferguson
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The 911 commission doesn't cover building 7 or many other aspects of the
conspiracy theory. Family members of those who were murdered on 911 even
criticised it for not asking tough questions.
All in all IT WAS A WHITE WASH.
Seon Ferguson
"quintal" <qui...@francom.esoterisme> wrote in message
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What's been plain? This should be good.