Re: BEHEADING ON A CA GREYHOUND BUS
Bob
|>
|>"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
|>news:LfOdnZ99jK_bpijV...@posted.cpinternet...
|>> They may not be the only source, which in and of itself is a stupid
|>> argument, since no one claims that except people like you.
|>> But according to the US DOJ, they are the best tool for the job.
|>>
|>
|>Yes, I can see how the Department of Justice, owned by the military
|>industrial complex, is an unbiased source on gun ownership.
|>
You wanna argue with these guys in person or something???
|>As for arguing there are alternatives to guns, that's the argument I entered
|>on and the key issue of contention between Mr. Collier and I, which you
|>trolled in to. If go back and read, you'll see that "people like you" and
|>Mr. Collier are the ones in fact asserting that claim. I'm glad you've
|>clearly distanced yourself from his unilateral stance.
|>
Collier is a realist, like the police, they shoot to kill, dead men
tell no "rat" tales, all of a sudden this BG "grows caring" parents for the
lawsuit..... end of story.
|>>
|>>
|>>> "Florida State University criminologist, Gary Kleck, analyzed data from
|>>> the Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey
|>>> (1992-1998). Describing his findings on defensive gun use, in Armed: New
|>>> Perspectives on Gun Control, New York:Prometheus Books (2001), Kleck
|>>> writes:
|>>>
|>>> "In general, self-protection measures of all types are effective, in
|>>> the sense of reducing the risk of property loss in robberies and
|>>> confrontational burglaries, compared to doing nothing or cooperating with
|>>> the offender. The most effective form of self-protection is use of a gun.
|>>> For robbery the self-protection meaures with the lowest loss rates were
|>>> among victims attacking the offender with a gun, and victims threatenting
|>>> the offender with a gun. For confrontational burglarly, attacking with a
|>>> gun had the second lowest loss rate of sixteen self-protection measures,
|>>> bested only by another mode of armed self-protection, threatening the
|>>> offender with a nongun weapon." (p. 291)"
|>>>
|>>> I would also like to point out the majority of that site's arguments base
|>>> around the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, including the "If you
|>>> learn only one thing from GunCite" section, which has no bearing on a
|>>> debate about handgun ownership in Canada.
|>>>
|>>
|>> So ?
|>> Enjoy arguing with yourself about a red herring ?
|>
Does this have something to do with the Warren Commission???
|>See above. Pistol ownership in Canada: bad idea. Gun is second to nongun
|>weapons in loss rate. Canada's crime numbers lower percentage-wise across
|>the board, no need to have pistols, self-fulfilling prophecy.
|>
|>
|>
|>>>>
|>>>> You're sounding more like a chicken every time
|>>>>
|>>>
|>>> Oh no! A chicken! Just because I'm Canadian doesn't mean you can goad me
|>>> like Micheal J Fox in Back to the Future. You going to call me out behind
|>>> the bike racks for an encore? Yeesh.
|>>>
|>>
|>> I'm a Canadian too, dipshit
|>> And you're too stupid to be called out
|>>
|>
|>So no bike racks comment then? :(
|>
Can you park a motorcycle near or in a Bike Rack?
|>
|>> No it does NOT
|>> Just because I think you DESERVE something, let's say a good kick in the
|>> ass to get your brain in gear, does NOT in any way implicit that I'm on my
|>> way to your house to do so, or if we meet in person.
|>> Similarly, just because someone thinks that a burglar DESERVES to be shot
|>> like a rabid dog, does not mean that he will gun down a burgllar if ever
|>> the occasion presents itself
|>>
|>
|>Yes it DOES! (my shout down is exactly one more exclamation point more right
|>than yours, muahahah!)
|>
|>lol!!! See, these little side arguments are great because it illustrates
|>fundamental issues in the way someone perceives the world and argues. For
|>the entire thread Collier has posted almost exclusively links showing people
|>being shot DEAD in defensive situations, written in aggressive and hostile
|>language, and then makes a statement that even you have to edit (you never
|>quote him verbatim) in order to try and soften.
|>
Again, Collier is a realist, "not a blind Canadian", but like the
Police, they shoot to kill, dead men tell no "rat" tales, all of a sudden
this BG "grows caring" parents for the lawsuit..... end of DGU story.
|>Like many of your other comments, you're trying to argue this statement in a
|>vaccuum. If a guy says "I own a gun. I applaud all these people that have
|>killed an aggressor in self defence. If you break into a home you deserve to
|>be shot dead like a dog" INTENT when that sitaution occurs is clear. That's
|>why you didn't put a condition on your "kick in the ass" comment, because it
|>creates the causal relationship when it happens.
|>
|>Let's apply what we've learned:
|>
|>Bill and Ted are standing beside a button. Bill says, "if you push that
|>button, you deserve to be punched in the face." Ted pushes the button and
|>Bill punches Ted in the face. Bill says, "sorry, it was an accident."
|>
It wasn't an accident, it was a forewarned promised event.
|>Do you believe him? Or do you think Bill intended to punch Ted in the face?
|>
Again this metaphoric analogy of pressing a button to taking a life
is not a suitable comparison. There is no loss of life or robbery in the
pressing a button simile.
|>>
|>> Never claimed to have an Englsh degree
|>> ON the other hand, I do know about causality, something about which you
|>> clearly know shit
|>
|>Oh yeah, shouting "learn English" over and over doesn't imply any expertise
|>on the subject on your part does it? Obviously it wasn't your "intent" to
|>seem superior. ;)
|>
How do we translate this into Chinese, Japanese, Swahili, etc....a
lot of meaning is lost in the literal description of possibly horrific
events....
Grab a gun, go to a range, does anybody get shot there......NO
|>>
|>> yada,yada,yada,
|>> Keep dancing
|>>
|>
|>I accept your apology.
|>
Apology accepted!
|>>
|>> I see no that you're just a stupid troll
|>>
|>> <plonk>
|>>
|>
|>We'll count the number of personal attacks and swearing on both parts, and
|>get a better idea of who is trolling here. ;) Thank you for providing the
|>site with the link that completely destroyed your friend's argument though,
|>it was much appreciated.
|>
|>Are you done now? =)
1 link? 1 site? what about the millions of others???
Meanwhile back to the theme of the subject, ...........would you board a
Greyhound type bus without wondering if your head was going to be chopped
off, especially if you fell asleep............
I can see your eyes shifting from left to right all the way through
the Bus Ride......
R. LaCasse
wrote:
|>On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:35:19 GMT, "Newsie" <Bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
|>
|>|>And chances are if you have the gun and ammunition stored in a way that
|>|>it'll actually be conceivable to use in defence of your home most times,
|>|>you're in contravention of 86 (2), although that involves more speculation
|>|>than is required, considering the black and white of 91 (2).
|>|>
|>|>Are you done yet?
|>
|> That's right, a that's section 28 is improper storage 86(1)(2)(3)
|>subsection 119 (ammo), but in a case of "Fishing Trip" home invasion Self
|>Defense (DGU), you can whittle it down to a standard Section 28 fine of
|>$2,000.00 or maybe less, depending on circumstances.
|>
|> Otherwise you can kiss your ass and property goodbye....with all the
|>legal fees to boot.
Licensing does add a stalemate to the issue of the criminal code
91/92 but the interpretation of Owning is confused by the other gangs who
think only they should have guns.........
If you customize a gun with all your time and money, does that still
mean that some CFO still owns it through licensing......
Although the courts do not recognize your work and time as any issue
to the matter of having firearms, it may be time that they get involved in
the art, to see just what they are supposed to know.
After "the most armed gang" steals your firearms, papers, personal
effects, the Judge with a lot legislative paper, relies on his staff, the
staff relies on the police firearms "experts", and they in turn rely on
hearsay with 'net searches for facts and figures......otherwise they just
bullshit the whole deal and make a character analysis for conviction or
dismissal.
A license such as FAC/PAL means nothing to the police what does
matter is if you are with their gang or not, THEY can do that because they
have more guns on you than YOU have.
That is the measure of the Gun Law so far, and since possession is
99% of the law, I would say disarming everyone is still a pipe dream for the
police gangs. The use of "In the Interest of Officer Safety, we Disarm any
places we go" and they do a lot of those "fishing trips" with all sorts of
trumped allegations from unknowing sources.
--
(You don't always NEED a Gun, but when you NEED one,
You NEED one REALLY...REALLY BAD)
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Bob
|>> Otherwise you can kiss your ass and property goodbye....with all the
|>> legal fees to boot.
|>>
|>
|>And has ANYONE been convicted under this law for an ACTUAL DGU ?
|> Just because it's on the books, does NOT automatically mean that a
|>conviction will follow
A lot of people have been convicted just for possessing
legal/registered guns on all sorts of false allegations...P.Kearns, A. M.
Carlos, Brian Ward, Randy Weaver, and many others.....
As far as DGU to abort a home invasion, the LawThing, does not
consider registered or Not as a Court influence..like it is done in the
States...
|>See the multiple Morgentaler prosecutions for abortion for what can happen
|> It's called jury nullification
That's something they may do in the Hells Angels Criminal
prosecutions in determining them FIAT as a criminal organisation......I'm
glad I wasn't on Jury duty, the trial is said to last 1 year......
--
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National Association of Assault Research
WWWeb>> http://boblacasse.150m. com
Bob
|>
|>"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
|>news:J6KdnfvpPLI11V3V...@posted.cpinternet...
|>>
|>> In my case, gun owner is either wearing gun or goes to nearest location of
|>> loaded gun.
|>
|>Storing a loaded gun in the home? For shame. So much for your claim of
|>lawful ownership and handling.
|>
|>When not using your weapon in line with why you were granted a license you
|>should keep it unloaded and safely secured in a proper container, apart from
|>its ammunition.
As soon as you get your Restricted PAL, plus all of those big green,
and small white cards, with the weirdly folded ATT papers, then you make
claims as to what is right and wrong, and constant references to the myriads
of laws to suppress your freedom, is not what is always correct, even in a
courtroom....been there...done that...
Do you remember what happened to your Aussie land "Newsie", the guns
were taken away without you without any resistance, just like it is removed
from an incompetent autistic person.....at least for the most part, with
exclusions, that's how it went down......
But lordie, you still have the Tax free streets to purchase
from...it could all have been a blessing in disguise for some of you
guys....
--
Triad Productions-Fantalla恙EZine~ParaNovel
National Association of Assault Research
SaPeIsMa
"Bob" <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:34:24 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@Hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> |>> Otherwise you can kiss your ass and property goodbye....with all the
> |>> legal fees to boot.
> |>>
> |>
> |>And has ANYONE been convicted under this law for an ACTUAL DGU ?
> |> Just because it's on the books, does NOT automatically mean that a
> |>conviction will follow
>
> A lot of people have been convicted just for possessing
> legal/registered guns on all sorts of false allegations...P.Kearns, A. M.
> Carlos, Brian Ward, Randy Weaver, and many others.....
>
Bob,
You have no trouble changing your nyms every time you post
But you apparently have a problem giving straight answers to straight
questions
> As far as DGU to abort a home invasion, the LawThing, does not
> consider registered or Not as a Court influence..like it is done in the
> States...
>
Now that's a total LOAD OF CRAP
> |>See the multiple Morgentaler prosecutions for abortion for what can
> happen
> |> It's called jury nullification
>
> That's something they may do in the Hells Angels Criminal
> prosecutions in determining them FIAT as a criminal organisation......I'm
> glad I wasn't on Jury duty, the trial is said to last 1 year......
> --
Irrelevant as usual
Bob
|>
|>"Bob" <rk...@armageddon.info> wrote in message
|>news:0ai0c49gsto9esue1...@4ax.com...
|>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:34:24 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@Hotmail.com>
|>> wrote:
|>>
|>> |>> Otherwise you can kiss your ass and property goodbye....with all the
|>> |>> legal fees to boot.
|>> |>>
|>> |>
|>> |>And has ANYONE been convicted under this law for an ACTUAL DGU ?
|>> |> Just because it's on the books, does NOT automatically mean that a
|>> |>conviction will follow
|>>
|>> A lot of people have been convicted just for possessing
|>> legal/registered guns on all sorts of false allegations...P.Kearns, A. M.
|>> Carlos, Brian Ward, Randy Weaver, and many others.....
|>>
|>
|>Bob,
|>You have no trouble changing your nyms every time you post
|>But you apparently have a problem giving straight answers to straight
|>questions
|>
They are called "Usenet Personas" they go with the theme of the
discussion......
|>
|>
|>> As far as DGU to abort a home invasion, the LawThing, does not
|>> consider registered or Not as a Court influence..like it is done in the
|>> States...
|>>
|>
|>Now that's a total LOAD OF CRAP
|>
I been there, I know the Voire Dire approach, it works that way,
maybe there is an interfacing influence that does not describe "picture" too
well......it happens!
|>
|>> |>See the multiple Morgentaler prosecutions for abortion for what can
|>> happen
|>> |> It's called jury nullification
|>>
|>> That's something they may do in the Hells Angels Criminal
|>> prosecutions in determining them FIAT as a criminal organisation......I'm
|>> glad I wasn't on Jury duty, the trial is said to last 1 year......
|>> --
|>
|>Irrelevant as usual
|>
So was the (Morgentaler prosecutions for abortion) postulation.....
--
Bob
|>> I travel to Canada regularly (at least once every 2 months), since I still
|>> have family there.
|>> I will point out to you, that with the exception of the homicide rate in
|>> the US, which has:
|>> 1) Always been much higher than that of Canada,
|>> 2) Is caused primarily by a very small subset of society (Young single
|>> black and Hispanic males), the US for most other crimes is either safer
|>> than Canada, or about par with Canada.
|>
|>Americans are Americans, regardless of colour, right? Hispanics are set to
|>be the majority in the country soon anyway, so should be quoted by default
|>for the purposes of accurate stats on Americans. Assuming we take your
|>assertions above at face value, without any form of citation.
|>
|>So really, why are you even arguing in a Canadian thread? You have your
|>country with your handgun ownership and grossly inflated homicide rate, why
|>bother ours? I'd much rather you argue for handgun-desiring Canadians to
|>move to the States than try to fuck our country up like yours.
Your right about the Canada base post, but the comparison of
different parts of America, is just a discussion of Corporation standards...
Going to the USA from Canada, is like transferring to a larger
prison were the people have a bigger say per land covered.
If you go to bigger prison you get a few more liberties than the
small ones with less resources and less populace to dick around with....
I find it interesting how one Corporation like Canada, USA, Central
America, South America measures up to each other. Somebody gave it a mindset
that the ppl of different Cuntries were different in physiology and
psychology...some ppl actually believe that US americans have guns instead
of hands, I know better, this Canada is full of Draft Dodgers galore, and
they look normal, but a bit spoon fed.
Canada is very multi cultural, just like the USA but Canada pumps
that info out whereas the USA just knows were they are at, so there is no
discussion deemed as News or other....