You people who believe the "official story" on 911 -- Do you know about WTC Building 7?
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
I realize the media has for nearly 8 years blacked out the story of
Building 7. The 600 foot high skyscraper that was NOT hit by a plane and
was a block away from the Twin Towers. It's straight-down free-fall speed
collapse is just totally inexplicable except by controlled demo and i have
to assume that you official story supporters still haven't heard about it.
harry k
Why don't you re-cycle a bunch more of the kooktard lies about WTC7.
Why they haven't been thoroughly debunked since...oh...just a couple
days ago...for the umpteenth time
Harry K
Government Shill #2
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I realize the media has for nearly 8 years blacked out the story of
>Building 7.
So? The media are a bunch of know nothing bozos who's claim to fame is they
look pretty and can speak well.
>The 600 foot high skyscraper that was NOT hit by a plane and
No. It wasn't. It was hit by a fucking great big building.
>was a block away from the Twin Towers.
What a liar you are.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/wtc_p200003-1.jpg
>It's straight-down free-fall speed collapse
Never happened. Lies number 2 and 3.
>is just totally inexplicable except by controlled demo
Lie number 4.
>and i have
>to assume that you official story supporters still haven't heard about it.
Heard about it. Accepted it for what it is. A steel framed building that
burned for hours with no firefighting, which collapsed when the frame could
no longer support the structure.
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Shill #2
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Me
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:e92c9239-7e70-41cf...@g3g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
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> Why don't you re-cycle a bunch more of the kooktard lies about WTC7.
> Why they haven't been thoroughly debunked since...oh...just a couple
> days ago...for the umpteenth time
>
> Harry K
>
HAHAHA. You govt shills never have anything but namecalling. You obviously
know the truth about 911 as well as i do.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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>>The 600 foot high skyscraper that was NOT hit by a plane and
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> No. It wasn't. It was hit by a fucking great big building.
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What building was that?. It wasn't Towers 1 or 2 because they collapsed
straight down also.
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
too.
We've heard all your kooker claims about 911 for 7+ years now, and they
have all been shown to be as insane as you are.
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BDK
BDK Klan leader?
Former #1 kOOk Magnet (Title passed to Larnrod!)
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
If you know, why do you keep spouting insane 911 kooker bullshit?
Because you're a total whackjob?
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
Poor Speedy. Even the other kooks know that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 when it
collapsed. There are pics of the huge gouge it made. The other kooks
claim it wasn't severely damaged, incorrect, of course, but at least
they know it was damaged.
It appears that your brain is severely damaged, as was WTC7. It fell
down quickly, you on the other hand, seem to be taking a long time to
collapse mentally.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:8b82b28d-5419-41c4...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
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> Not really. It was the massive structural damage and raging out of
> control fires. Its collapse was predicted for several hours as the
> walls started bulging and so they pulled the firefighting effort from
> the area for safety.
>
HAHAHA. The fires and damage were barely visible. You govt shills are so
obvious.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
> Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
> Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
> major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
> even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
> too.
>
WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot. 1 collapsed straight down though of
course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
Freedom Fighter
professionals, scientists, structural engineers, architects, members of
Congress, 9/11 Commissioners, legal scholars, heroic first responders,
family members of 9/11 victims and psychiatrists say before you make up
your mind about what the truth is regarding 9/11:
MILITARY LEADERS
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan
(Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog
that doesn't hunt" (bio)
Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both
Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force
colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that
9/11 was an inside job. He also said:
"If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an
old interceptor pilot?I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how
long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were,
and I know what they?ve changed them to?if our government had merely
done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of
9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead
Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"
U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the
Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel
Davis) stated:
"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted
when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders,
or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure
facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth.
It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also
served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the
Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished
Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service
Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a
member of a group which doubts the government's version of 9/11
U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme
Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star,
and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the
investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused
the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to
me. I've seen that for a long time."
Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen
Kwiatkowski) finds various aspects of 9/11 suspicious
Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for
Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve
Butler) said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on
America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed
this war on terrorism."
Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) questions the attack
on the Pentagon
U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter
Weapons School and NATO?s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year
Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:
"I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were
planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have
infiltrated the highest levels of our government ....
Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid,
so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real
perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it
is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same
oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right
now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders
that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of
that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate
definition of treason!"
U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300
combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel
Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:
"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about
our country, our constitution, and our future. ...
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it
the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who
used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual
information that directly contradicts the official report and who want
explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have
motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy
or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make
you? ....
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle
it? ..."
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the
official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says
"When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is
very little to believe in the official story".
The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S.
Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not
respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a
massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have
questioned 9/11, such as:
Canadian Minister of Defense, the top military leader of Canada (Paul
Hellyer)
Assistant German Defense Minister (Andreas Von Bulow)
Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)
Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov)
INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS
Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently
said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more
explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is
ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said
that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are
credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they
[U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement
there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or
psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that
there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation
into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.
A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and
personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan
and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials
(Raymond McGovern) said ?I think at simplest terms, there?s a cover-up.
The 9/11 Report is a joke?, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was
an inside job.
A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and
former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis
(William Bill Christison) said ?I now think there is persuasive evidence
that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration
and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... All three [buildings
that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably
destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings
before 9/11." (and see this).
20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the
second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former
CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that "9/11
was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was
probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).
A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning
investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best
on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East?, and whose astounding
career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture
Syriana (Robert Baer) said that"the evidence points at" 9/11 having had
aspects of being an inside job .
The Division Chief of the CIA?s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as
Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of
International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004
(Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately
a coverup."
Professor of History and International Relations, University of
Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National
Security Agency. Former military attach� in China. 21-year career in
U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army)
questions the government's version of the events of 9/11.
The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence
(Mike McConnel) said "9/11 should have and could have been prevented"
A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer
who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence
efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne
Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about
?serious shortcomings,? ?omissions,? and ?major flaws? in the 9/11
Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation
(they were ignored).
9/11 COMMISSIONERS
The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free
subscription required).
Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton)
now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political
considerations.
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute
we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that
people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate
should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first
draft" of history.
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to
suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our
version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with
the false statements we were getting"
Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission,
stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now
compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story
because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House
wants to cover it up".
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11
staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from
the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story
from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is
not spin. This is not true."
SCIENTISTS
A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research
Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the
official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building
7 collapsed "does not match the available facts" and supports the theory
that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science,
America's highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:
"I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the
glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and
a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken."
The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency
which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the
National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the
world?s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D.
in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an
independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse
investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he
said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that
NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see
someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and
from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST
arrived at is questionable."
Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and
Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research
Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain
A. Deets) says:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled
horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind
explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Centers
on 9/11].''
A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top
university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department
of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones)
stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled
demolition
A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr.
Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down
by controlled demolition
An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were
brought down with explosives (in Danish)
A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded
A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety
Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that
"The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance
factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."
A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university,
with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of
Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is
calling for a new investigation of 9/11
A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream
Danish newspaper, "WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the
fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building
would have fallen in that direction. You don't have to be a woodcutter
to grasp this" (translated)
A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and
professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university
concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers "were brought down
by planted explosives."
A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection
Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans
Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S.
Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area
Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the
Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection
Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of
San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward
S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by
controlled demolition.
The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S.
Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering
at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a
mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story,
and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition
of the World Trade Center.
A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said "The official explanation
that I've heard doesn't make sense because it doesn't explain why I
heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the
concrete was pulverized"
STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design
of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices,
former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former
member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council
(Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by
controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss
university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on
9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition
(translation here)
Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)
Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont
Technical College
An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has
been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for
the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and
fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including
education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage)
disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World
Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled
demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)
LEGAL SCHOLARS
Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S.
Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan;
former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought
media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus)
questions the government's version of 9/11.
Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former
Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and
Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo)
questions the government's version of 9/11.
Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign;
a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible
for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the
American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons
Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International
(1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court,
with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political
Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) questions the
government's version of 9/11.
Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the
U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby
Kennedy?s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for
the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence "Terry" Brunner)
questions the government's version of 9/11.
Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and
International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the
three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine
Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission
on Kosovo (Richard Falk) questions the government's version of 9/11.
Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and
Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World
Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American
Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) questions the
government's version of 9/11.
Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who
signed a petition calling for a real investigation into 9/11. And see
petition.
Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate
General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent
in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal
integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two
foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs
career (Mark Conrad) questions the government's version of 9/11.
Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of
West Germany (Horst Ehmke) questions the government's version of 9/11.
Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic
Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive
branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy;
former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books
on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) questions the
government's version of 9/11.
Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) questions the government's version
of 9/11.
Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law,
University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired
Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year
career (William Veale) said:
"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock
principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the
simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may
occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or
venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes
the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of
reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the
conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside
job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states "The two questions that the
congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's
watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did
they allow it to happen?"
Current Republican Congressman (Ron Paul) states that "we see the [9/11]
investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and
no real explanation of what went on"
Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) hints that we aren't
being told the truth about 9/11
Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that he supports a new
9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed
Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the
Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown
that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing
information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the
possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS
A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being
"disrespectful to the victims and their families".
However, half of the victim's families believe that 9/11 was an inside
job (according to the head of the largest 9/11 family group, Bill Doyle)
(and listen to this interview). Many family and friends of victims not
only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please
ignore the partisan tone). See also this interview.
Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a
whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the
9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation (see also this video).
And dying heroes, soon-to-be victims themselves, the first responders
who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that
controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and that a real
investigation is necessary.
PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS
Finally, those who attack people who question the government's version
of 9/11 as "crazy" may wish to review the list of mental health
professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:
Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD
Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz
Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke
University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University
Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and
Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R.
Komisaruk
Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward
Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino
Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther
Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral
Studies Ralph Metzner
Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor
Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris
Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and
licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech
Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser
THOUSANDS OF OTHERS
The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists
and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials,
politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who
question 9/11 -- literally thousands -- to list in one place. Here are a
few additional people to consider:
The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up
by the 9/11 Commission
Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the
two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and
who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says that 9/11 could
not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked
on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to
this interview)
Perhaps "the premiere collapse expert in the country", who 9/11
Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to as a "very, very respected
expert on building collapse", the head of the New York Fire Department's
Special Operations Command and the most highly decorated firefighter in
its NYFD history, who had previously "commanded rescue operations at
many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City
Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters
worldwide" thought that the collapse of the South Tower was caused by
bombs, because the collapse of the building was too even to have been
caused by anything else (pages 5-6).
Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford,
and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White
House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department
of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a
who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new
investigation into 9/11
Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says "The FBI, rather than trying to
prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they
would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred."
Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General
and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription
required) (Sibel Edmonds), said "If they were to do real investigations
we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in
this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out.
And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is
leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job
Government Shill #2
Lie number 5.
Government Shill #2
One side? OMG! OMFG!! One side????
So fuckin' what dopey?
I guess, because you are a clueless moron, you "think" that damage on one
side means the building should have fallen like it was solid like a tree?
Bwahahahahaha! Whatta maroon!
--
Shill #2
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.
Freedom Fighter
message news:Xns9C0B7E86F663Cr...@216.168.3.70...
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
>> Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
Typical coverup shill tactic - ad-hominem attack.
>> Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
>> major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
>> even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
>> too.
The debris damage to WTC 7 was FAR from sufficient to cause the sudden,
straight down, near free-fall speed collapse that had all the
characteristics of controlled demolition by explosives. Same for the fires,
which probably were arson - fires set by the conspirators themselves that
knew the building would soon be imploded. Had the falling debris caused
them, the fires would've been at or near the TOP of the building.
> WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot. 1 collapsed straight down though
> of
> course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
Yes - unsymmetrical damage that, had it been capable of causing any
collapse, would have caused the collapse to happen in the direction of the
damaged side, NOT straight down and not at near free-fall speed!
Just killfile this liar as I have. He's either in serious psychological
denial, or more likely, being PAID to cover up the truth.
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>message news:Xns9C0B7E86F663Cr...@216.168.3.70...
>> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in
>> news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>>
>>> Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
>
>Typical coverup shill tactic - ad-hominem attack.
Squawk! Ad-hominem attack! Squawk! Reality Fighter wanna cracker!
--
Shill #2
If Freedom Fighter says a foolish thing fifty million times, it is
still a foolish thing.
Me (with apologies to Anatole France)
george
> Squawk! Ad-hominem attack! Squawk! Reality Fighter wanna cracker!
If it weren't for the fact that reality fighter was brain damaged he'd
(by now) have actually found out what ad-hominem actually meant
age...@justicespammail.com
So what caused this?
Here's a news story about the Verizon building which was located
next to WTC7 (on the corner of West and Veasey).
"January 6, 2003
Herculean Effort to Restore a Landmark Battered on 9/11
By GLENN COLLINS
<snip>
So far, $70 million has been spent to stabilize the building, and the
restoration is expected to cost at least $140 million more, only part
of the $1.4 billion that Verizon is spending downtown to restore
equipment and cables.
<snip>
During the collapses, steel projectiles from the towers hit the
Verizon building, sliced the mains and left water cascading into the
building's five subbasements, filling the lowermost vaults like a
swimming pool. A javelin of steel actually speared through the
sidewalk concrete and lodged in the basement. The building's fuel oil
tanks were submerged in water, then burst.
<snip>
Upstairs in the formerly sacrosanct, climate-controlled clean rooms
that housed hundreds of telephone cabinets bearing computer switching
cards, the walls had gone unimaginably missing; firefighters
established their hoses there to fight the raging fire in 7 World
Trade Center."
Then there's this:
http://abilitymagazine.com/nichols_verizon.html
"Once the air pressure was back on, we knew we had more cables that
were crushed as a result of the collapsed buildings. We began
temporarily bypassing those cables by running new cables out of the
windows of our West St. building, along streets to the north and back
around the scene of the attack to the east. We then re-spliced those
cables to the original cable in areas where the cables weren't
damaged." Another problem was a steel beam from one of the World
Trade Center buildings that fell, he estimated, from at least the 60th
floor.
And this?
http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/images/130liberty_deutsche_bank_26may02.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/130liberty/images/130liberty_8dec01.jpg
or even this:
http://wirednewyork.com/wfc/images/3wfc_west_side_30sept.jpg
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:8b82b28d-5419-41c4...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
> ..
>
>
>
> > Not really. It was the massive structural damage and raging out of
> > control fires. Its collapse was predicted for several hours as the
> > walls started bulging and so they pulled the firefighting effort from
> > the area for safety.
>
> HAHAHA. The fires and damage were barely visible.
You muyst have been blind then. Hmmm.
> You govt shills are so obvious.
Obviously correct that is. Q.E.D. Fires were raging and out of control
and the building was practically engulfed at the time of its
anticipated collapse from structural damage and fire.
Seon Ferguson
Why do people still believe in this anyone who disagrees with me is a
shill bullshit?
Animal03-
<sigh> Reality fighter is still suffering from the delusions of a 911
conspiracy, despite being proved wrong countless times.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:clep059027nfqu8j9...@4ax.com:
Because in the case of 911 it's true. It's absolutely impossible for
anyone who knows about Building 7 to believe controlled demo was NOT the
cause of collapse.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
The collapse of 1 and 2 didn't extend across a multi-lane highway to a
building on another block though of course some debris kicked up by their
collapse did make it to 7.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:6s4p051jaa7bkrj60...@4ax.com:
>
> Here's a news story about the Verizon building which was located
> next to WTC7 (on the corner of West and Veasey).
>
> "January 6, 2003
>
> Herculean Effort to Restore a Landmark Battered on 9/11
>
> By GLENN COLLINS
>
> <snip>
>
> So far, $70 million has been spent to stabilize the building, and the
> restoration is expected to cost at least $140 million more, only part
> of the $1.4 billion that Verizon is spending downtown to restore
> equipment and cables.
>
> <snip>
>
> During the collapses, steel projectiles from the towers hit the
> Verizon building, sliced the mains and left water cascading into the
> building's five subbasements, filling the lowermost vaults like a
> swimming pool. A javelin of steel actually speared through the
> sidewalk concrete and lodged in the basement. The building's fuel oil
> tanks were submerged in water, then burst.
>
> <snip>
>
> Upstairs in the formerly sacrosanct, climate-controlled clean rooms
> that housed hundreds of telephone cabinets bearing computer switching
> cards, the walls had gone unimaginably missing; firefighters
> established their hoses there to fight the raging fire in 7 World
> Trade Center."
>
So it didn't collapse.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:81f7af75-ed7b-46ab...@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
> Obviously correct that is. Q.E.D. Fires were raging and out of control
> and the building was practically engulfed at the time of its
> anticipated collapse from structural damage and fire.
>
>
Oh yeah - those invisible fires are the worst ragers of all. HAHA
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
cannot and will not admit it because once you examine 911 you realize the
media was in on at least the coverup right from the start.
age...@justicespammail.com
Which wasn't the point, idiot. One should note that you carefully cut
out your claim before replying. Why did you do that? That's easy, I
kicked your butt up one side and down the other and proved your claim
that WTC7 couldn't have been hit by pieces of the collapsing towers.
So then what do you do? You try to change the argument. But that
won't work either. The Verizon building was built to hold up very
heavy telephone equipment on each floor, making it's construction
considerably different and stronger than WTC7.
Seon Ferguson
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Because in the case of 911 it's true. It's absolutely impossible for
>anyone who knows about Building 7 to believe controlled demo was NOT the
>cause of collapse.
Have you looked at both sides of the story? I thought "pull" it meant
pull the building. Then I read quotes from firemen who said they were
pulled out before it collapsed. I'm not sure how it could collapse
from fire though but the case of WTC 1 and 2 is pretty easy. There
could be one or two people who are paid to put out false information
but going by your "logic" there is a ratio of 2 "shills" per 1 "kook"
in this group. Do you really think the majority of people who post
here are shillsand paid to?
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote innews:clep059027nfqu8j9...@4ax.com:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:34:21 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>
> >>harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>news:e92c9239-7e70-41cf...@g3g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> .
>
> >>> Why don't you re-cycle a bunch more of the kooktard lies about WTC7.
> >>> Why they haven't been thoroughly debunked since...oh...just a couple
> >>> days ago...for the umpteenth time
>
> >>> Harry K
>
> >>HAHAHA. You govt shills never have anything but namecalling. You
> >>obviously know the truth about 911 as well as i do.
>
> > Why do people still believe in this anyone who disagrees with me is a
> > shill bullshit?
>
> Because in the case of 911 it's true. It's absolutely impossible for
> anyone who knows about Building 7 to believe controlled demo was NOT the
> cause of collapse.
Controlled demolition has been absolutely proven to be a complete
physical impossibility. Sorry.
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What invisible fires, you incredible nitwit? Didn't you even WATCH the
news that day? Holy shit, you're stupid.
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in
> news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
>
> >
> > Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
> > Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
> > major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
> > even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
> > too.
> >
>
> WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot.
LOL, yes it did.
> 1 collapsed straight down though of course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
Yeah, whackjob, that debris took a huge chunk out of one side!
Are you as stupid as you are crazy? If so, you're probably doomed.
You need to get back on your meds Speedy. They might help you.
I doubt it's possible for you to get better, but maybe there's a chance.
BDK
lib...@once.net says...
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns9C0B7E86F663Cr...@216.168.3.70...
> > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in
> > news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
> >
> >> Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
>
> Typical coverup shill tactic - ad-hominem attack.
No, it's an honest, sensible question, as she's shown herself to be a
total loon.
>
> >> Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
> >> major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
> >> even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
> >> too.
>
> The debris damage to WTC 7 was FAR from sufficient to cause the sudden,
> straight down, near free-fall speed collapse that had all the
> characteristics of controlled demolition by explosives. Same for the fires,
> which probably were arson - fires set by the conspirators themselves that
> knew the building would soon be imploded. Had the falling debris caused
> them, the fires would've been at or near the TOP of the building.
You post above is pure kooktardism on display. Stupidity too.
>
> > WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot. 1 collapsed straight down though
> > of
> > course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
>
> Yes - unsymmetrical damage that, had it been capable of causing any
> collapse, would have caused the collapse to happen in the direction of the
> damaged side, NOT straight down and not at near free-fall speed!
Moroon, how did you expect it to fall? And if you could read a
stopwatch, you would know it wasn't even close to freefall speed.
>
> Just killfile this liar as I have. He's either in serious psychological
> denial, or more likely, being PAID to cover up the truth.
Yes, just pussy out and run away. That's what kooks do when you get
frustrated that nobody takes your kooktardic claims seriously.
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
> Yes of course. I think everyone knows 911 was an inside job, but the media
> cannot and will not admit it because once you examine 911 you realize the
> media was in on at least the coverup right from the start.
>
Do you drool when you post goofy BS like the above nonsense, Speedy?
BDK
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
Aw come on Seon, you really haven't figured this out yet? After all this
time?
Seon Ferguson
>Aw come on Seon, you really haven't figured this out yet? After all this
>time?
Um they're kooks?
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
Well, that's obvious, but they have been making the same claims all this
time, we "shills" shoot those claims down, yet you seem to forget it,
over and over again.
Can your memory possibly be that bad?
Seon Ferguson
>In article <383q05pjdsdk45vm8...@4ax.com>,
>seo...@gmail.com says...
>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 01:48:38 -0400, BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Aw come on Seon, you really haven't figured this out yet? After all this
>> >time?
>>
>>
>> Um they're kooks?
>>
>>
>
>
>Well, that's obvious, but they have been making the same claims all this
>time, we "shills" shoot those claims down, yet you seem to forget it,
>over and over again.
>
>Can your memory possibly be that bad?
I still remember the debates I lost and still think a lot of aspects
to the 911 conspiracy are bonkers because of you "shills".
Maybe we really did discuss things that I forgot. I can't be expected
to remember every single thread I replied to a few years ago.
rincewind
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:8b82b28d-5419-41c4...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
> ..
>
>
>
> > Not really. It was the massive structural damage and raging out of
> > control fires. Its collapse was predicted for several hours as the
> > walls started bulging and so they pulled the firefighting effort from
> > the area for safety.
>
> obvious.
Obviously, the damage took place on the side the faced the Towers, the
side that had been cleared of all spectators. As far as the fire is
concerned, unless you were walking around inside 7 examining the
status of the fire, you can't say how extensive it was based on what
was filmed from the outside. Finally, you (like all conspiracy
followers) completely ignore the fact that the firemen themselves
testified that the building was "tilting and bulging" up the three
HOURS before the final collapse began. They were concerned about
entering it to fight the fire and were grateful to be "pulled" (oh
look, there's that word again) from the area when it was obvious the
building was going to go.
rincewind
> In article <Xns9C0B7E86F663Criemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
> @yahoo.com says...
>
> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in
> >news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
> > > Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
> > > Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
> > > major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
> > > even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
> > > too.
>
> > WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot.
>
> LOL, yes it did.
>
> > 1 collapsed straight down though of course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
>
> Yeah, whackjob, that debris took a huge chunk out of one side!
If you try to analyze what he just wrote, it pretty much works out to;
"Tower 1 did not hit building 7 except for the parts that did."
Al Dykes
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>I realize the media has for nearly 8 years blacked out the story of
>Building 7. The 600 foot high skyscraper that was NOT hit by a plane and
>was a block away from the Twin Towers. It's straight-down free-fall speed
>collapse is just totally inexplicable except by controlled demo and i have
>to assume that you official story supporters still haven't heard about it.
Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
buildings "lots of times".
In article <Xns9B68DAD774DA8r...@216.168.3.70>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9B6883CB5863Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anybody see buildings plowed into by jet airliners (or gouged by
>>>> falling debris) that managed to stand? (ESB doesn't count, it wasn't
>>>> plowed into by a jet airliner)
>>>>
>>>Hell yes. Lots of buildings have been hit by planes and withstood it.
>>
>> "Lots"?
>>
>> Name another building hit by an airplane.
>>
>
>Hey stupid. It's happened lots of times.
Name one, not including WTC1 and 2 and the Empire State Building.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
Al Dykes
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:clep059027nfqu8j9...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:34:21 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>> MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>harry k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:e92c9239-7e70-41cf...@g3g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you re-cycle a bunch more of the kooktard lies about WTC7.
>>>> Why they haven't been thoroughly debunked since...oh...just a couple
>>>> days ago...for the umpteenth time
>>>>
>>>> Harry K
>>>>
>>>
>>>HAHAHA. You govt shills never have anything but namecalling. You
>>>obviously know the truth about 911 as well as i do.
>>
>> Why do people still believe in this anyone who disagrees with me is a
>> shill bullshit?
>>
>
>Because in the case of 911 it's true. It's absolutely impossible for
>anyone who knows about Building 7 to believe controlled demo was NOT the
>cause of collapse.
Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
buildings "lots of times".
In article <Xns9B68DAD774DA8r...@216.168.3.70>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9B6883CB5863Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
Al Dykes
>
>.
>>
>>
>>>The 600 foot high skyscraper that was NOT hit by a plane and
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>straight down also.
Al Dykes
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:f5qo059jdu1tijqi0...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:36:21 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>> MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>What building was that?. It wasn't Towers 1 or 2 because they collapsed
>>>straight down also.
>>
>> Lie number 5.
>>
>>
>
>The collapse of 1 and 2 didn't extend across a multi-lane highway to a
>building on another block though of course some debris kicked up by their
>collapse did make it to 7.
Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
buildings "lots of times".
In article <Xns9B68DAD774DA8r...@216.168.3.70>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9B6883CB5863Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
harry k
> In article <Xns9C0BCE84130CBriemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:clep059027nfqu8j9...@4ax.com:
>
> >> On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:34:21 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>
> >>>harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:e92c9239-7e70-41cf...@g3g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>>> .
>
> >>>> Why don't you re-cycle a bunch more of the kooktard lies about WTC7.
> >>>> Why they haven't been thoroughly debunked since...oh...just a couple
> >>>> days ago...for the umpteenth time
>
> >>>> Harry K
>
> >>>HAHAHA. You govt shills never have anything but namecalling. You
> >>>obviously know the truth about 911 as well as i do.
>
> >> Why do people still believe in this anyone who disagrees with me is a
> >> shill bullshit?
>
> >Because in the case of 911 it's true. It's absolutely impossible for
> >anyone who knows about Building 7 to believe controlled demo was NOT the
> >cause of collapse.
>
> Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
> buildings "lots of times".
>
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> In article <Xns9B6883CB5863Ariemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
> >> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Anybody see buildings plowed into by jet airliners (or gouged by
> >>>> falling debris) that managed to stand? (ESB doesn't count, it wasn't
> >>>> plowed into by a jet airliner)
>
> >>>Hell yes. Lots of buildings have been hit by planes and withstood it.
>
> >> "Lots"?
>
> >> Name another building hit by an airplane.
>
> >Hey stupid. It's happened lots of times.
>
> Name one, not including WTC1 and 2 and the Empire State Building.
>
> --
> Al Dykes
> News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ummm...Schiphol? (?sp?) in Holland. Of course that one was crashing
anyhow and the building just got in the way.
Harry K
Al Dykes
Correct. It was a masonry-fireproofed building. It was "140 West St,
aka "the Verizon building. Other buildings at WTC were hit hard adn
you don;t know their names becuase the were mansory-based and didn't
catch fire and collapse.
WTC7 had minimal fireproofing. Fire caused it to collapse.
In any case, this post is in response to a post from Speedy, a k00k
that claims that big airplanes crash into big buildings "lots of
times".
Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
buildings "lots of times".
In article <Xns9B68DAD774DA8r...@216.168.3.70>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9B6883CB5863Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
Al Dykes
>news:8b82b28d-5419-41c4...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
>..
>>
>> Not really. It was the massive structural damage and raging out of
>> control fires. Its collapse was predicted for several hours as the
>> walls started bulging and so they pulled the firefighting effort from
>> the area for safety.
>>
>
>HAHAHA. The fires and damage were barely visible. You govt shills are so
>obvious.
Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
Al Dykes
Al Dykes
>news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
>
>>
>> Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
>> Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
>> major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
>> even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
>> too.
>>
>
On the south side, were the damage and fire happened.
In any case, this post is in response to a post from Speedy, a k00k
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
> I'm not sure how it could collapse
> from fire though but the case of WTC 1 and 2 is pretty easy.
Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed?
Truth is it's hard to accept the collapse of Buildings 1 & 2 and impossible
with 7. Unless it was controlled demo. That is by far the most likely
explanation and all your talk about stone-age arabs who hate our freedom is
wacko.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:MPG.2476cb8e2...@news.buckeye-express.com:
> In article <Xns9C0BD014B4E29r...@216.168.3.70>,
> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>> Yes of course. I think everyone knows 911 was an inside job, but the
>> media cannot and will not admit it because once you examine 911 you
>> realize the media was in on at least the coverup right from the
>> start.
>>
>
> Do you drool when you post goofy BS like the above nonsense, Speedy?
>
HAHAHA. More namecalling from the govt shills. That's all you losers have
and everyone can see it. HAHAHA
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote innews:pppp05dddtsd8qt03...@4ax.com:
>
> > I'm not sure how it could collapse
> > from fire though but the case of WTC 1 and 2 is pretty easy.
>
> Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed?
Ooooops for you, nitwit. Windsor Tower.
> Truth is it's hard to accept the collapse of Buildings 1 & 2 and impossible
> with 7. Unless it was controlled demo.
Controlled demo has been proven to be physically impossible here.
> That is by far the most likely
> explanation and all your talk about stone-age arabs who hate our freedom is
> wacko.
Wrong. Controlled demo has been proven to be physically impossible.
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote innews:MPG.2476cb8e2...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9C0BD014B4E29riemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
> > xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
> >> Yes of course. I think everyone knows 911 was an inside job, but the
> >> media cannot and will not admit it because once you examine 911 you
> >> realize the media was in on at least the coverup right from the
> >> start.
>
> > Do you drool when you post goofy BS like the above nonsense, Speedy?
>
> HAHAHA. More namecalling from the govt shills. That's all you losers have
> and everyone can see it. HAHAHA
That's all we need to prove you asswipes wrong. You don't even state a
physically impossible alternative. It's too easy to dismiss you.
Freedom Fighter
news:d5740b0e-58d1-4cce...@v17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On May 14, 2:24 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote
> innews:8b82b28d-5419-41c4...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > control fires. Its collapse was predicted for several hours as the
> > walls started bulging and so they pulled the firefighting effort from
> > the area for safety.
The collapse was "predicted" by those that knew the building was set up to
be imploded! They leaked the information to those with a need to know. Too
bad they didn't warn the 3000 innocent people mass-murdered in the towers,
but such are the ways of the neo-KKKon fascists - -
> HAHAHA. The fires and damage were barely visible. You govt shills are so
> obvious.
> Obviously, the damage took place on the side the faced the Towers, the
side that had been cleared of all spectators.
Then how come the building did not topple in that direction, but fell
suddenly, straight down, and at near free-fall speed - all characteristic of
controlled demolition?
> As far as the fire is
concerned, unless you were walking around inside 7 examining the
status of the fire, you can't say how extensive it was based on what
was filmed from the outside.
Even when the building is entirely engulfed in flames, steel framed
buildings do not colllapse, but the steel frame remains standing.
> Finally, you (like all conspiracy
followers) completely ignore the fact that the firemen themselves
testified that the building was "tilting and bulging" up the three
HOURS before the final collapse began. They were concerned about
entering it to fight the fire and were grateful to be "pulled" (oh
look, there's that word again) from the area when it was obvious the
building was going to go.
--
Take a look at what the top military leaders, intelligence
professionals, scientists, structural engineers, architects, members of
Congress, 9/11 Commissioners, legal scholars, heroic first responders,
family members of 9/11 victims and psychiatrists say before you make up
your mind about what the truth is regarding 9/11:
MILITARY LEADERS
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan
(Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog
that doesn't hunt" (bio)
Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both
Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force
colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that
9/11 was an inside job. He also said:
"If our government had merely [done] nothing, and I say that as an
old interceptor pilot?I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how
long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were,
and I know what they?ve changed them to?if our government had merely
done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of
9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead
Americans would still be alive. [T]hat is treason!"
U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the
Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel
Davis) stated:
"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted
when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders,
or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure
facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth.
It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also
served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the
Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished
Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service
Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a
member of a group which doubts the government's version of 9/11
U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme
Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star,
and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the
investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused
the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to
me. I've seen that for a long time."
Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen
Kwiatkowski) finds various aspects of 9/11 suspicious
Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for
Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve
Butler) said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on
America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed
this war on terrorism."
Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) questions the attack
on the Pentagon
U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter
Weapons School and NATO?s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year
Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:
"I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were
planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have
infiltrated the highest levels of our government ....
Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid,
so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real
perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it
is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same
oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right
now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders
that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of
that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate
definition of treason!"
U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300
combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel
Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:
"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about
our country, our constitution, and our future. ...
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it
the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who
used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual
information that directly contradicts the official report and who want
explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have
motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy
or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make
you? ....
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle
it? ..."
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the
official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says
"When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is
very little to believe in the official story".
The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S.
Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not
respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a
massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have
questioned 9/11, such as:
Canadian Minister of Defense, the top military leader of Canada (Paul
Hellyer)
Assistant German Defense Minister (Andreas Von Bulow)
Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)
Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov)
INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS
Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently
said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more
explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is
ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said
that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are
credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they
[U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement
there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or
psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that
there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation
into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.
A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and
personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan
and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials
(Raymond McGovern) said ?I think at simplest terms, there?s a cover-up.
The 9/11 Report is a joke?, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was
an inside job.
A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and
former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis
(William Bill Christison) said ?I now think there is persuasive evidence
that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration
and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. ... All three [buildings
that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably
destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings
before 9/11." (and see this).
20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the
second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former
CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that "9/11
was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was
probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).
A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning
investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best
on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East?, and whose astounding
career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture
Syriana (Robert Baer) said that"the evidence points at" 9/11 having had
aspects of being an inside job .
The Division Chief of the CIA?s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as
Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of
International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004
(Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately
a coverup."
Professor of History and International Relations, University of
Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National
Security Agency. Former military attach� in China. 21-year career in
U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army)
questions the government's version of the events of 9/11.
The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence
(Mike McConnel) said "9/11 should have and could have been prevented"
A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer
who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence
efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne
Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about
?serious shortcomings,? ?omissions,? and ?major flaws? in the 9/11
Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation
(they were ignored).
9/11 COMMISSIONERS
The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the
Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false
statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free
subscription required).
Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton)
now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political
considerations.
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute
we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that
people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate
should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first
draft" of history.
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to
suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our
version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with
the false statements we were getting"
Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission,
stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now
compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story
because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House
wants to cover it up".
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11
staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from
the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story
from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is
not spin. This is not true."
SCIENTISTS
A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research
Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the
official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building
7 collapsed "does not match the available facts" and supports the theory
that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science,
America's highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:
"I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the
glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and
a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken."
The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency
which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the
National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the
world?s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D.
in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an
independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse
investigation. "I wish that there would be a peer review of this," he
said, referring to the NIST investigation. "I think all the records that
NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see
someone else take a look at what they've done; both structurally and
from a fire point of view. ... I think the official conclusion that NIST
arrived at is questionable."
Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and
Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research
Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain
A. Deets) says:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled
horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind
explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Centers
on 9/11].''
A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top
university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department
of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones)
stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled
demolition
A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr.
Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down
by controlled demolition
An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were
brought down with explosives (in Danish)
A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded
A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety
Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that
"The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance
factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."
A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university,
with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of
Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is
calling for a new investigation of 9/11
A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream
Danish newspaper, "WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the
fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building
would have fallen in that direction. You don't have to be a woodcutter
to grasp this" (translated)
A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and
professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university
concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers "were brought down
by planted explosives."
A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection
Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans
Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S.
Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area
Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the
Northern California - Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection
Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of
San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward
S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by
controlled demolition.
The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S.
Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering
at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a
mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story,
and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition
of the World Trade Center.
A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said "The official explanation
that I've heard doesn't make sense because it doesn't explain why I
heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the
concrete was pulverized"
STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design
of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices,
former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former
member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council
(Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by
controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss
university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on
9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition
(translation here)
Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)
Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont
Technical College
An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has
been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for
the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and
fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including
education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage)
disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World
Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled
demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)
LEGAL SCHOLARS
Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S.
Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan;
former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought
media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus)
questions the government's version of 9/11.
Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former
Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and
Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo)
questions the government's version of 9/11.
Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign;
a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible
for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the
American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons
Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International
(1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court,
with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political
Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) questions the
government's version of 9/11.
Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the
U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby
Kennedy?s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for
the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence "Terry" Brunner)
questions the government's version of 9/11.
Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and
International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the
three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine
Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission
on Kosovo (Richard Falk) questions the government's version of 9/11.
Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and
Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World
Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American
Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) questions the
government's version of 9/11.
Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who
signed a petition calling for a real investigation into 9/11. And see
petition.
Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate
General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent
in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal
integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two
foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs
career (Mark Conrad) questions the government's version of 9/11.
Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of
West Germany (Horst Ehmke) questions the government's version of 9/11.
Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic
Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive
branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy;
former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books
on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) questions the
government's version of 9/11.
Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) questions the government's version
of 9/11.
Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law,
University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired
Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year
career (William Veale) said:
"When you grow up in the United States, there are some bedrock
principles that require concerted effort to discard. One is the
simplest: that our leaders are good and decent people whose efforts may
occasionally warrant criticism but never because of malice or
venality... But one grows up. ... And with the lawyer's training comes
the reliance on evidence and the facts that persuade... After a lot of
reading, thought, study, and commiseration, I have come to the
conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were, in their essence, an inside
job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U S government."
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states "The two questions that the
congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's
watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did
they allow it to happen?"
Current Republican Congressman (Ron Paul) states that "we see the [9/11]
investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and
no real explanation of what went on"
Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) hints that we aren't
being told the truth about 9/11
Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that he supports a new
9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed
Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the
Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown
that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing
information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the
possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS
A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being
"disrespectful to the victims and their families".
However, half of the victim's families believe that 9/11 was an inside
job (according to the head of the largest 9/11 family group, Bill Doyle)
(and listen to this interview). Many family and friends of victims not
only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please
ignore the partisan tone). See also this interview.
Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a
whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the
9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation (see also this video).
And dying heroes, soon-to-be victims themselves, the first responders
who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that
controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and that a real
investigation is necessary.
PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS
Finally, those who attack people who question the government's version
of 9/11 as "crazy" may wish to review the list of mental health
professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:
Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD
Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz
Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke
University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University
Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and
Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R.
Komisaruk
Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward
Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino
Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther
Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral
Studies Ralph Metzner
Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor
Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris
Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and
licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech
Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser
THOUSANDS OF OTHERS
The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists
and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials,
politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who
question 9/11 -- literally thousands -- to list in one place. Here are a
few additional people to consider:
The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up
by the 9/11 Commission
Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the
two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and
who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says that 9/11 could
not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked
on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to
this interview)
Perhaps "the premiere collapse expert in the country", who 9/11
Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to as a "very, very respected
expert on building collapse", the head of the New York Fire Department's
Special Operations Command and the most highly decorated firefighter in
its NYFD history, who had previously "commanded rescue operations at
many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City
Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters
worldwide" thought that the collapse of the South Tower was caused by
bombs, because the collapse of the building was too even to have been
caused by anything else (pages 5-6).
Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford,
and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White
House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department
of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a
who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new
investigation into 9/11
Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says "The FBI, rather than trying to
prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they
would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred."
Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General
and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription
required) (Sibel Edmonds), said "If they were to do real investigations
we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in
this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out.
And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is
leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job
BDK
@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>, edrh...@hotmail.com says...
LOL, I know, but don't tell Speedy. It might get her upset.
Speedy is supposedly a female. But who knows?
BDK
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 03:40:29 -0400, BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <383q05pjdsdk45vm8...@4ax.com>,
> >seo...@gmail.com says...
> >> On Fri, 15 May 2009 01:48:38 -0400, BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Aw come on Seon, you really haven't figured this out yet? After all this
> >> >time?
> >>
> >>
> >> Um they're kooks?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Well, that's obvious, but they have been making the same claims all this
> >time, we "shills" shoot those claims down, yet you seem to forget it,
> >over and over again.
> >
> >Can your memory possibly be that bad?
>
> I still remember the debates I lost and still think a lot of aspects
> to the 911 conspiracy are bonkers because of you "shills".
> Maybe we really did discuss things that I forgot. I can't be expected
> to remember every single thread I replied to a few years ago.
>
How could you forget so many threads that went on for hundreds of posts?
My dog seems to have a better memory than you do about some things.
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
No, controlled demo is the most unlikely explanation. As unlikely as you
ever regaining your sanity. Or even getting a clue.
BDK
@yahoo.com says...
LOL, we've shot down your kooktardic claims for over 7 years now, and
have told you to talk to an engineer, over and over again, and you call
us losers?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Iarnrod
> "rincewind" <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d5740b0e-58d1-4cce...@v17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 2:24 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote
> > innews:8b82b28d-5419-41c4...@x31g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > Not really. It was the massive structural damage and raging out of
> > > control fires. Its collapse was predicted for several hours as the
> > > walls started bulging and so they pulled the firefighting effort from
> > > the area for safety.
>
> The collapse was "predicted" by those that knew the building was set up to
> be imploded!
Now you are accusing the New york City Fire Department of rigging
buildings for implosion while several hundred of their colleagues are
being killed?
Are you truly insane?
> They leaked the information to those with a need to know.
Implosion of those buildings has been proven to be a complete physical
impossibility.
> Too
> bad they didn't warn the 3000 innocent people mass-murdered in the towers,
> but such are the ways of the neo-KKKon fascists - -
You are delusional, Reality Fighter.
> > HAHAHA. The fires and damage were barely visible. You govt shills are so
> > obvious.
> > Obviously, the damage took place on the side the faced the Towers, the
>
> side that had been cleared of all spectators.
>
> Then how come the building did not topple in that direction, but fell
> suddenly, straight down, and at near free-fall speed - all characteristic of
> controlled demolition?
There were NO characteristics of ANY controlled demolition known to
man.
If you saw how the building collapsed you would know what a moron you
are. It was not physically possible for it to "topple" like a fuckin'
chopped down tree, you incredible idiot. It was not straight down, it
fell into neighboring buildings and the streets; it was not free-fall,
it was well in excess of 16 seconds.
> > As far as the fire is
>
> concerned, unless you were walking around inside 7 examining the
> status of the fire, you can't say how extensive it was based on what
> was filmed from the outside.
>
> Even when the building is entirely engulfed in flames, steel framed
> buildings do not colllapse, but the steel frame remains standing.
Ooooooops, Reality Fighter: Windsor Tower completely disproves you!
Government Shill #2
wrote:
Yeah. I noticed that Speedy "logic" too.
--
Shill #2
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
Government Shill #2
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:pppp05dddtsd8qt03...@4ax.com:
>
>> I'm not sure how it could collapse
>> from fire though but the case of WTC 1 and 2 is pretty easy.
>
>Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed?
Because the other skyscrapers that caught on fire weren't constructed the
same as WTC 1, 2 or 3.
Do you really not know this?
--
Shill #2
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American
public.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
george
> In article <Xns9C0BCED75EA3Briemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:f5qo059jdu1tijqi0...@4ax.com:
>
> >> On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:36:21 -0500, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
> >> MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>What building was that?. It wasn't Towers 1 or 2 because they collapsed
> >>>straight down also.
>
> >> Lie number 5.
>
> >The collapse of 1 and 2 didn't extend across a multi-lane highway to a
> >building on another block though of course some debris kicked up by their
> >collapse did make it to 7.
>
> Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
> buildings "lots of times".
>
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Anybody see buildings plowed into by jet airliners (or gouged by
> >>>> falling debris) that managed to stand? (ESB doesn't count, it wasn't
> >>>> plowed into by a jet airliner)
>
> >>>Hell yes. Lots of buildings have been hit by planes and withstood it.
>
> >> "Lots"?
>
> >> Name another building hit by an airplane.
>
> >Hey stupid. It's happened lots of times.
>
> Name one, not including WTC1 and 2 and the Empire State Building.
You're about to be deafened by the sound of the non reply...
There, however, was the light single engined aircraft that hit a
building on approach.
george
> In article <Xns9C0B7E86F663Criemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in
> >news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
> >> Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
> >> Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
> >> major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
> >> even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
> >> too.
>
> >WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot. 1 collapsed straight down though of
> >course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
>
> On the south side, were the damage and fire happened.
>
> In any case, this post is in response to a post from Speedy, a k00k
> that claims that big airplanes crash into big buildings "lots of
> times".
>
> Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
> buildings "lots of times".
>
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Anybody see buildings plowed into by jet airliners (or gouged by
> >>>> falling debris) that managed to stand? (ESB doesn't count, it wasn't
> >>>> plowed into by a jet airliner)
>
> >>>Hell yes. Lots of buildings have been hit by planes and withstood it.
>
> >> "Lots"?
>
> >> Name another building hit by an airplane.
>
> >Hey stupid. It's happened lots of times.
>
> Name one, not including WTC1 and 2 and the Empire State Building.
>
Seon Ferguson
>How could you forget so many threads that went on for hundreds of posts?
>My dog seems to have a better memory than you do about some things.
>--
>BDK
I remember some like the threads that ended up with discussion about
Roswell. That was a huge leap.
Seon Ferguson
MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed?
>Truth is it's hard to accept the collapse of Buildings 1 & 2 and impossible
>with 7. Unless it was controlled demo. That is by far the most likely
>explanation and all your talk about stone-age arabs who hate our freedom is
>wacko.
Oh I don't know maybe because they weren't hit by a plane?
And don't ask me about wtc7 that is still a mystery to me.
Seon Ferguson
wrote:
>> Really. �So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed? �
>
>Ooooops for you, nitwit. Windsor Tower.
Was that steel framed like WTC1, 2 and 7?
Iarnrod
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:19:22 -0700 (PDT), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed?
>
> >Ooooops for you, nitwit. Windsor Tower.
>
> Was that steel framed like WTC1, 2 and 7?
Holy SHIT. Do you take your brain to the cleaners every week and have
it thoroughly emptied of every fuckin' memory?
rincewind
> In article <c799219d-d5df-4089-93a0-6e3bd9347d07
> @o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>, edrho...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 1:34 am, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Xns9C0B7E86F663Criemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
> > > @yahoo.com says...
>
> > > > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote in
> > > >news:MPG.24762397c...@news.buckeye-express.com:
>
> > > > > Speedy, is it shock treatments that have made you suffer from amnesia?
> > > > > Apparently you forgot that WTC7 was hit by WTC1 and the impact caused
> > > > > major damage. That, and the fire, caused the collapse. BTW, it wasn't
> > > > > even close to free-fall speed. You need to learn to read a stopwatch,
> > > > > too.
>
> > > > WTC1 did not hit building 7 you idiot.
>
> > > LOL, yes it did.
>
> > > > 1 collapsed straight down though of course some debris did hit 7 and that debris damage was on one side!!!.
>
> > > Yeah, whackjob, that debris took a huge chunk out of one side!
>
> > If you try to analyze what he just wrote, it pretty much works out to;
> > "Tower 1 did not hit building 7 except for the parts that did."
>
> LOL, I know, but don't tell Speedy. It might get her upset.
>
> Speedy is supposedly a female. But who knows?
If you're going to call yourself a generic name, that's how it goes.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:f4bdca2c-4107-44c3...@i28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> On May 15, 9:13�am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:pppp05dddtsd8qt030cj7ou3675
> 08l...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > I'm not sure how it could collapse
>> > from fire though but the case of WTC 1 and 2 is pretty easy.
>>
>> Really. �So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire
>> collapsed
> ? �
>
> Ooooops for you, nitwit. Windsor Tower.
>
Hey stupid. The windsor tower never collapsed. The building was damaged
beyond repair and later on demolished but the fires never collapsed it. It
was a huge fire engulfing the whole building (no sprinkler system!!!) and
lasted 20 hours but still no collapse.
Iarnrod
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:f4bdca2c-4107-44c3...@i28g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On May 15, 9:13 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> innews:pppp05dddtsd8qt030cj7ou3675
>
> >> > I'm not sure how it could collapse
> >> > from fire though but the case of WTC 1 and 2 is pretty easy.
>
> >> Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire
> >> collapsed
> > ?
>
> > Ooooops for you, nitwit. Windsor Tower.
>
> Hey stupid. The windsor tower never collapsed.
Hey stupid, yes it did. Jeebus, you can't be THIS stupid.
The ENTIRE steel framed structure of the building collapsed COMPLETELY
due ONLY to fire and without a plane crashing into it at 500+ mph.
> The building was damaged
> beyond repair and later on demolished but the fires never collapsed it.
Bzzzzzttt! Wrong-o!
What remained standing was ONLY the reinforced concrete portion of the
building, which was the lower 16 floors and the service core in the
rear. REINFORCED CONCRETE, asswipe. The ENTIRE steel framed portion
above the 16th floor level COMPLETLY COLLAPSED in the fire.
> It
> was a huge fire engulfing the whole building (no sprinkler system!!!) and
> lasted 20 hours but still no collapse.
EXCEPT FOR ALL OF THE STEEL PORTION! BWAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAAAA!!!
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
And how is that possible? I swear, sometimes I think you've had a stroke
or some sort of head injury. What exactly is the mystery?
You're mind boggling...
BDK
@x29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, iar...@yahoo.com says...
Seon is proof brainwashing works.
Seon Ferguson
wrote:
>On May 15, 7:57�pm, Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes but sadly I still remember you.
Seon Ferguson
>And how is that possible? I swear, sometimes I think you've had a stroke
>or some sort of head injury. What exactly is the mystery?
>
>You're mind boggling...
Well it wasn't even hit by a plane. Debris brought down WTC7. I'm only
being honest. I don't have all the answers, ok?
Government Shill #2
OMG Seon!
We've been over this point so many times.
Up to the 16th floor the Windsor Tower in Madrid was constructed of
concrete core and concrete frame. Above the 17th floor was a central
support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel
perimeter columns. The steel perimeter columns collapsed due to fire alone.
Well fire and gravity.
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095
--
Shill #2
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Government Shill #2
"A concrete core and concrete frame supported the first 16 floors. Above
that was a central support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete
floors with steel perimeter columns."
"The steel-glass fa�ade was completely destroyed, exposing the concrete
perimeter columns. The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete
collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor."
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095
--
Shill #2
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Me
Government Shill #2
He means, Seon, that this has been gone over so many times it's incredible.
And you claim not to know about it? Even more incredible!
Seon Ferguson
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>OMG Seon!
>
>We've been over this point so many times.
>
>Up to the 16th floor the Windsor Tower in Madrid was constructed of
>concrete core and concrete frame. Above the 17th floor was a central
>support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel
>perimeter columns. The steel perimeter columns collapsed due to fire alone.
>Well fire and gravity.
>
>http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095
Oh just like the WTC? I guess steel framed buildings can collapse from
fire. I still smell something fishy. Binladen attacks America on 911
and Bush goes after Saddam?
Seon Ferguson
wrote:
Oh and yes I am aware he went after Binladen first.
Seon Ferguson
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 May 2009 01:55:16 -0400, BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>And how is that possible? I swear, sometimes I think you've had a stroke
>>>or some sort of head injury. What exactly is the mystery?
>>>
>>>You're mind boggling...
>>
>>Well it wasn't even hit by a plane. Debris brought down WTC7. I'm only
>>being honest. I don't have all the answers, ok?
>
>He means, Seon, that this has been gone over so many times it's incredible.
>And you claim not to know about it? Even more incredible!
I know about it but so many different people say so many different
things it's hard to tell what's true or not.
Government Shill #2
WTF? Bush is an idiot! Bush did idiotic things. Why is this now news to
you?
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
Nobody sane thinks it was hit by a plane!
Damage from debris, and a fire that wasn't fought brought it down. The
fire dept knew it was going to come down hours before it did, so what is
it you don't understand?
How is it possible for you to be involved in alt.conspiracy all this
time, and not have read the posts about WTC7? And if you did read the
posts shooting down the kooker claims, how could you have so totally
forgotten them? Shit, I remember stuff I had read 40 years ago! Not
exactly, but damn close.
I bet you're constantly lost without a GPS when you drive around, right?
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
WTF? Why is that. One explanation makes sense, one doesn't.
Incredible isn't the word for it!
Government Shill #2
Listen to what I say. I'm always right.
--
Shill #2
Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance
to those of us who do.
Isaac Asimov
Seon Ferguson
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Oh just like the WTC? I guess steel framed buildings can collapse from
>>fire. I still smell something fishy. Binladen attacks America on 911
>>and Bush goes after Saddam?
>
>WTF? Bush is an idiot! Bush did idiotic things. Why is this now news to
>you?
Because he took advantage of America's blind trust in him. He took
advantage of the fear of another 911 attack. I guess I just have a
feeling there is more to the story then "He is an idiot"
Seon Ferguson
>> I know about it but so many different people say so many different
>> things it's hard to tell what's true or not.
>>
>
>
>WTF? Why is that. One explanation makes sense, one doesn't.
>
>Incredible isn't the word for it!
It's just some of the things Bush did didn't make sense. Like stay in
that classroom for 7 minutes (and before any defenders say was he
supposed to do jump into action? He had no idea if a plane was heading
for that elementary school) other things that didn't make sense were
fema not sending F16's after the plane's when they turned their flight
recorder off.
But a lot of the 911 conspiracy theories don't make sense. Firemen
blowing up buildings? WTF?
Seon Ferguson
>Nobody sane thinks it was hit by a plane!
>
>Damage from debris, and a fire that wasn't fought brought it down. The
>fire dept knew it was going to come down hours before it did, so what is
>it you don't understand?
>
>
>How is it possible for you to be involved in alt.conspiracy all this
>time, and not have read the posts about WTC7? And if you did read the
>posts shooting down the kooker claims, how could you have so totally
>forgotten them? Shit, I remember stuff I had read 40 years ago! Not
>exactly, but damn close.
>
>I bet you're constantly lost without a GPS when you drive around, right?
Um yeah when I drive...
A lot of the posts about WTC 7 did shoot down a lot of conspiracy
theories. Like you made me realise pull it meant pull the firemen out.
Or was that 911debunked? Anyway I do remember some.
Government Shill #2
Ok. So he took advantage of a situation. Without any other evidence that in
no way leads a sane person to the conclusion that he was in some way
involved.
Government Shill #2
>
>>> I know about it but so many different people say so many different
>>> things it's hard to tell what's true or not.
>>>
>>
>>
>>WTF? Why is that. One explanation makes sense, one doesn't.
>>
>>Incredible isn't the word for it!
>
>It's just some of the things Bush did didn't make sense. Like stay in
>that classroom for 7 minutes (and before any defenders say was he
>supposed to do jump into action? He had no idea if a plane was heading
>for that elementary school)
He had no idea a plane wasn't headed for his car in the car park! No one
had any idea what was happening. Why run straight into a trap?
>other things that didn't make sense were fema
FEMA? FEMA don't send anything after anything, let alone F-16s.
>not sending F16's after the plane's when they turned their flight
>recorder off.
Flight recorder???? It was NO ONE's job to send F-16s after anything just
because their *transponder* (I think that's what you were trying to say)
was turned off. It was air traffic control's job to *ask* the air force to
send planes to investigate such things as known hijackings, or other
incidents, such Payne Stewart's aircraft which couldn't be raised on the
radio. O transponder going off air was not a reason to scramble fighters. A
transponder transmitting hijack codes was a reason to *request* the air
force, if they weren't to busy, to maybe go and have a look.
>But a lot of the 911 conspiracy theories don't make sense. Firemen
>blowing up buildings? WTF?
At least you're not a total whackjob then.
--
Shill #2
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
Iarnrod
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 19:51:33 -0700 (PDT),Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com>> >> On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:19:22 -0700 (PDT),Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> Really. So why haven't other skyscrapers that caught on fire collapsed?
>
> >> >Ooooops for you, nitwit. Windsor Tower.
>
> >> Was that steel framed like WTC1, 2 and 7?
>
> >Holy SHIT. Do you take your brain to the cleaners every week and have
> >it thoroughly emptied of every fuckin' memory?
>
> Yes but sadly I still remember you.
Do you remember you're gay?
Seon Ferguson
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>We've been over this point so many times.
>
>Up to the 16th floor the Windsor Tower in Madrid was constructed of
>concrete core and concrete frame. Above the 17th floor was a central
>support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel
>perimeter columns. The steel perimeter columns collapsed due to fire alone.
>Well fire and gravity.
>
>http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095
I don't mean to be difficult but it wasn't entirely steel framed like
WTC 7.
I don't want to be a kook though.
Seon Ferguson
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Oh just like the WTC? I guess steel framed buildings can collapse from
>>>>fire. I still smell something fishy. Binladen attacks America on 911
>>>>and Bush goes after Saddam?
>>>
>>>WTF? Bush is an idiot! Bush did idiotic things. Why is this now news to
>>>you?
>>
>>Because he took advantage of America's blind trust in him. He took
>>advantage of the fear of another 911 attack. I guess I just have a
>>feeling there is more to the story then "He is an idiot"
>
>Ok. So he took advantage of a situation. Without any other evidence that in
>no way leads a sane person to the conclusion that he was in some way
>involved.
Except for the ignored warnings, memos and signing of w199 i...
Seon Ferguson
wrote:
>>
>> Yes but sadly I still remember you.
>
>Do you remember you're gay?
No I didn't realise it as I have a thing for women's legs. Especally
in black stockings and black high heels...
Seon Ferguson
I'll reply to this one as it is the only one that has the facts (which
happens to be your post) anyway yes that is what I meant. So why
didn't they follow standard procedure and ask air traffic control to
send up F-16's?
And before you quote popular machanics according to
http://www.wanttoknow.info/020812ap "From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD
scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven
times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001,
Martin said."
I know its a kook site but its the least kooky one I could find.
>>But a lot of the 911 conspiracy theories don't make sense. Firemen
>>blowing up buildings? WTF?
>
>
>At least you're not a total whackjob then.
Just a part time whackjob.
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
DO you have zero long term memory? It wasn't standard procedure to send
up any F16's!
>
> And before you quote popular machanics according to
> http://www.wanttoknow.info/020812ap "From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD
> scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven
> times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001,
> Martin said."
> I know its a kook site but its the least kooky one I could find.
Damn Seon, NORAD WASN'T INVOLVED on 911, it wasn't part of their duties
back then. Now? Yes. Back then? NO.
>
> >>But a lot of the 911 conspiracy theories don't make sense. Firemen
> >>blowing up buildings? WTF?
> >
> >
> >At least you're not a total whackjob then.
>
> Just a part time whackjob.
>
From the above, it looks like you're working your way up to total
whackjob status.
Government Shill #2
WHAT? That's what I posted above! DID YOU READ IT?
OF COURSE IT WASN'T FUCKING ENTIRELY STEEL FRAMED LIKE WTC 7, YOU FUCK
NOZZLE!
HOWEVER, THE PART THAT WAS STEEL FRAMED, LIKE WTC7, COLLAPSED, TOTALLY, DUE
TO FIRE AND GRAVITY ALONE!
>I don't want to be a kook though.
Try to READ, UNDERSTAND and REMEMBER the answers you are given then.
--
Shill #2
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.
Government Shill #2
All of my responses above are factual!
>(which happens to be your post)
Huh? Are you smoking some weird shit tonight?
>anyway yes that is what I meant. So why
>didn't they follow standard procedure and ask air traffic control to
>send up F-16's?
Show me where it was standard procedure on 11/09/2001 to send F-16s (what
is this obsession you have with F-16s?) up to shoot down aircraft whose
transponders were not transmitting.
I'll give you a hint. Agent86 has posted the actual standard procedure to
this group on numerous occasions. A university graduate, such as yourself,
should be able to find one of these posts using Google Groups.
>And before you quote popular machanics according to
>http://www.wanttoknow.info/020812ap "From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD
>scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven
>times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001,
>Martin said."
>I know its a kook site but its the least kooky one I could find.
So? The fact that under certain circumstances military aircraft were
*ASKED* to investigate wayward aircraft is not in question. No "debunker"
has ever said that military aircraft never did this. The facts that you and
all the other kOOkers keep missing are that this was a secondary task for
the military, they only reacted when *asked* by air traffic control to
react, NORAD was not watching for aircraft that strayed, this was a purely
civilian task, and there was *no* standard procedure to intercept and shoot
down civilian aircraft flying without a functioning transponder.
Is that simple enough for you?
>>>But a lot of the 911 conspiracy theories don't make sense. Firemen
>>>blowing up buildings? WTF?
>>
>>
>>At least you're not a total whackjob then.
>
>Just a part time whackjob.
Get a job!
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
Seon is trying to be a "professional" whackjob. Maybe he thinks your
govt has a position where he might be useful.
Or, more likely, Seon should have been (Maybe he was)in special Ed.
Very special.
>
>
> --
> Shill #2
>
> I am not young enough to know everything.
> Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
>
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BDK
BDK Shills fearless leader!
Government Shill #2
Does being a professional whackjob make one a shill for the "Truthers"?
>Or, more likely, Seon should have been (Maybe he was)in special Ed.
>
>Very special.
Just when we thought he finally getting a clue...
Seon Ferguson
>DO you have zero long term memory? It wasn't standard procedure to send
>up any F16's!
True. After 30 mins of research I found this:
According to Bob Arnott of MSNBC, "Pilots are supposed to hit each fix
with pinpoint accuracy. If a plane deviates by 15 degrees, or two
miles from that course, the flight controllers will hit the panic
button.... It's considered a real emergency, like a police car
screeching down a highway at 100 miles an hour." Routine response to
such emergencies is to order "fighter-intercepts" into the air, to
regain contact with the pilot, (NORAD spokesman, Boston Globe,
9/15/2000).
Now when jets intercept the planes this is what is suposed to happen
according to the FAA's own flight manual.
http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:dy38-yrwO1oJ:www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/notams_tfr/media/tfrweb.pdf+the+interceptor+military+craft+communicates+by+rocking+wings+from+a+position+slightly+above+and&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a
DAY-Rocking wings from a position slightly above and
ahead of, and normally to the left of, the intercepted air-
craft and, after acknowledgement, a slow level turn, nor-
mally to the left, on to the desired heading
I don't have any credibal sites quoting Bob Arnott but if they "kook"
sites really made it up then why doesn't he sue them?
So why weren't standard procedures followed on September 11th 2001?
Seon Ferguson
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:
I meant the stuff I posted wasn't factual. You were right I should
only post facts.
Anyway why didn't flight controllers ask the Military to intercept the
jets then?