alt.gothic ten years old, nearly.
Bloodstone
the conspirators waited, coiled, ready to pounce. Soon, very soon they
would unleash onto the world a great Chimera. Soon the world would know
their true power. Soon, there would be alt.gothic.
The date was October 31, 1991.
alt.gothic was in spirit, newgrouped on that day, although the official
records show that the effective message was actually posted 1st
Novemeber.
FYI, the original newgroup message.
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~From: pash...@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
~Newsgroups: control,alt.config,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
~Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
~Summary: newgroup alt.gothic
~Keywords: newgroup
~Message-ID: <1991Nov1.0...@javelin.sim.es.com>
~Date: 1 Nov 91 00:11:14 GMT
~Control: newgroup alt.gothic
~Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
~Lines: 33
~Approved: ne...@javelin.sim.es.com
The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:
>alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture.
>The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and
>dark. It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e.
>the ravaging of asia by the visigoths.
>
>Then, below, you don't necessarily have to explain what each genre
>is:
>
>Gothic music: sometimes called "death rock", encompasses bands
>such as (bands listed in the charter)
>
>Gothic art: films, books, plays, fine arts: art that perpetuates
>a morbidity or feeling of angst. Submissions of gothic prose
>and poetry are encouraged.
>
>Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well
>as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting.
>Finally, I feel it would be especially apt were alt.gothic to be
>created on halloween. :-)
I thought about this before creating the group. Seeing what little
discussion was happening in alt.config, I decided to jump the gun in order to
create upon this relevant date.
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Individuation
wrote:
>It was a dark and stormy night. The air was thick with anticipation as
>the conspirators waited, coiled, ready to pounce. Soon, very soon they
>would unleash onto the world a great Chimera. Soon the world would know
>their true power. Soon, there would be alt.gothic.
>
>The date was October 31, 1991.
You're making me feel old. I was in high school when that
happened.... now I teach high school.
Funny how things come full circle.
Eileen (how big is your dick? posting since 95)
zentariana
wrote:
<snip>
>>Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well
>>as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting.
<snip>
heh. sorry. just wanted to the the part about vampirism being
encouraged again.
becky.
kest
>>alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture.
>>The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and
>>dark. It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e.
>>the ravaging of asia by the visigoths.
>>
You know....'ravaging of asia' sounds like a sex thread. "mournful and
dark" sounds like bad goth poetry. Therefore, following the dictates of
our charter, all sex talk must immediately cease, and we must all start
posting cheesy lurid doggerel!
k
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I find this the most interesting part, actually.
-JC, who was at RPI on the date in question
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Count Von Sexbat
> records show that the effective message was actually posted 1st
> Novemeber.
So....
"what was that band who played at the start of The Hunger then?"
(alt.gothic arrived on November 1, thereby proving itself non-geeky
enough to have been out on the 31st October having a party).
I suddenly feel .... ancient
Anyway, *next* year is the anniversary of the term net.goth (it shows
how wasted we all were - I lost count)
/\../\
Sexbat
David Gerard
Count Von Sexbat <sex...@batt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
:> alt.gothic was in spirit, newgrouped on that day, although the official
:> records show that the effective message was actually posted 1st
:> Novemeber.
:So....
:"what was that band who played at the start of The Hunger then?"
David Bow-ie!
:(alt.gothic arrived on November 1, thereby proving itself non-geeky
:enough to have been out on the 31st October having a party).
:I suddenly feel .... ancient
*Late* nineteen.
:Anyway, *next* year is the anniversary of the term net.goth (it shows
:how wasted we all were - I lost count)
Time started in 1995.
You watch. I'm gonna play alt.gothic on stage in front of hundreds.
Just you wait.
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"One of my remaining ambitions is to receive a blowjob while remotely
configuring someone's router." (Lionel Lauer)
Jodi
>Late 19- the summer just before you hit 20, when all seems right with the
>world.
Obviously you and I had 19 on different planets
Jodi
I am angry I am ill and I'm as ugly as sin
My irritability keeps me alive and kicking
- Magazine, "A Song from Under the Floorboards"
Joe Brenner
>FYI, the original newgroup message.
>=====
I actually thought this was the most interesting part:
>~From: pash...@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
I think I used to read Pete Ashdown's music reviews all the
time in the early 90s. I don't know why, but it seems funny
that he was the man who issued the newgroup for
alt.gothic... I remember him as being heavily on the
techno side of things, though that was a few years
after this, of course.
zcatcurious
> You know....'ravaging of asia' sounds like a sex thread. "mournful and
> dark" sounds like bad goth poetry. Therefore, following the dictates of
> our charter, all sex talk must immediately cease, and we must all start
> posting cheesy lurid doggerel!
i saw her heaving, corsetted bosom,
and thought, "o my god, what a woman!"
i swaggered over with a jaunty air,
slipped, stumbled, fell across a chair
somehow landed with my mouth on her breast
- thought for a moment that i was blest -
til she stood, i fell, pursued by hoots,
so i lay on the floor and croaked, "nice boots"
---
more cheesy than lurid, ohwellnevermind
Tiny Human Ferret
<smirk>
As near as I can tell, the Gothnic Cleansing of the Vampabees was in
full-swing around 1997 or so, and even in news:alt.vampyres, we were pretty
sick of them.
Hence, the Vampabees got their _own_ newsgroup.
See also http://media.earthops.net/a-c-v/faq.html
For those more interested in Haunting, um, we still do that, right?
>
> becky.
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Tiny Human Ferret
That's okay. I hereby declare my vote that this should replace the entire
FAQ, or at least the section on "origins of Goth".
maggot
news:3BD6CC5E...@clark.net:
> zentariana wrote:
>> heh. sorry. just wanted to the the part about vampirism being
>> encouraged again.
>
> <smirk>
>
> As near as I can tell, the Gothnic Cleansing of the Vampabees was in
> full-swing around 1997 or so, and even in news:alt.vampyres, we were
> pretty sick of them.
Most definitely, the same applied to real life as well, it was the rise of
White Wolf gaming in 1992 that started the trend, IMO, as well as the
release of several popular vampire movies (as opposed to schlocky vampire
movies (once bitten) and ones that didn't seem gothic at all (near dark)-
prior to which The Haunting was the only visible connection and that was by
no means popular or well known) that pushed the analogy of PIB=Vampires way
to the forefront. Back in the early 90s when the whole vampire thing was
just being explored it was no more of a gothic standard than xtian
iconography, bondage gear, and nazi memorabilia. It was just one aspect of
a much less homogenous group.
maggot
--
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the film 'Atlantis' in their McDonald's Happy Meals and
it gets harder and harder to tell blood from ketchup. - Eduardo Galeano
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A.K.
<kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>That's okay. I hereby declare my vote that this should replace the entire
>FAQ, or at least the section on "origins of Goth".
With what, praytell?
I have these fears that maybe you meant to start talking about the
visigoths instead of Joy Division.
}..{
Agnieszka
zentariana
<kla...@clark.net> wrote:
><smirk>
quite.
>As near as I can tell, the Gothnic Cleansing of the Vampabees was in
>full-swing around 1997 or so, and even in news:alt.vampyres, we were pretty
>sick of them.
hm. so in that group you were meaning to be talking about them, but
not being them? how confusing. good idea, though. i can't stomach too
many goofballs lying, either.
>Hence, the Vampabees got their _own_ newsgroup.
>
>See also http://media.earthops.net/a-c-v/faq.html
>
>For those more interested in Haunting, um, we still do that, right?
yeah. i recall several "my bathroom is haunted!" posts.
becky.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:12:46 -0400, Tiny Human Ferret
> <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>
> ><smirk>
>
> quite.
>
> >As near as I can tell, the Gothnic Cleansing of the Vampabees was in
> >full-swing around 1997 or so, and even in news:alt.vampyres, we were pretty
> >sick of them.
>
> hm. so in that group you were meaning to be talking about them, but
> not being them? how confusing. good idea, though. i can't stomach too
> many goofballs lying, either.
Well, we used to get some seriously silly ones. There were a few who were
fairly high quality, but alt.vampyres was supposed to be for discussing the
literature, vampires in film, myth and legend. So, me having godlike
sysadmin powers, and the discussion having been carried on interminably in
alt.config and no serious objections being raised, I propagated a booster
message and poof, on it went, alt.culture.vampires was born. A semi-serious
experiment in cultural anthropology, it was really quite fascinating to
watch it come together, watch people come in, meet each other, etc., develop
their personas and interact.
>
> >Hence, the Vampabees got their _own_ newsgroup.
> >
> >See also http://media.earthops.net/a-c-v/faq.html
> >
> >For those more interested in Haunting, um, we still do that, right?
>
> yeah. i recall several "my bathroom is haunted!" posts.
But it is!
Tiny Human Ferret
What, Joy Division ravaged Asia? We should ask for confirmation on this, I
bet Miyuki would know! Wherever she is, that is.
Oh, the FAQ replacement would be with that poem by zcatcurious. Or maybe it
could be enshrined under "proper gothic comportment".
>
> }..{
> Agnieszka
A.K.
<kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>"A.K." wrote:
>Oh, the FAQ replacement would be with that poem by zcatcurious. Or maybe it
>could be enshrined under "proper gothic comportment".
Duh. Ok, that was poor reading comprehension on my part.
I go now to drink more coffee and hide under a table until I'm
caffinated enough to read well.
}..{
Agnieszka
Edvamp
Did they tour together?
Ever and Always
Edvamp
Not Perky Today
Monday Drowning
> FYI, the original newgroup message.
<snip>
> >Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well
> >as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting.
^^^^^^^^^
So was the -second- post "two doors down on the left"?
Probably not,
Monday Drowning
Count Von Sexbat
Nah alt.rascally-vampires didn't pop in it's glow-in-the-dark fangs
until a little while later. Of course in those days we all knew each
other, had never met, and you could produce a hard copy of the world
wide web if you could be bothered.
(there used to be a hard copy directory of all the e-mail addresses on
the internet produced - the "Internet White Pages" - gosh that was
useful)
/\../\
siani evans
Individuation wrote:
> >The date was October 31, 1991.
>
> You're making me feel old. I was in high school when that
> happened.... now I teach high school.
>
> Funny how things come full circle.
heh. i was just thinking how it was funny how nothing ever really
changes for me. :)
>
> Eileen (how big is your dick? posting since 95)
i don't know. i think i remember that i had been posting before a
concert i have a t-shirt from in 1993, but the first post from me that
shows up on google is from jan 01 1996. however, this is most
definitely **not** one of my earliest posts. hell, i don't even think i
was still living in my hometown then, because that's be the year of c2,
and i was living in TO when i drove to c2. and a.g. was a massive part
of my life before i left home. i suspect that my earliest posts were not
even from the earliest account i remember my addy from, because i used
to post from my dads accounts before i had my own. i seem to recall
that a.g. was about 1.5 years old when i found it, and i know it was
well before c1, because i was really angry at my mum for not letting me
go to c1...
siani
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> FYI, the original newgroup message.
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> ~From: pash...@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
> ~Newsgroups: control,alt.config,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
> ~Subject: newgroup alt.gothic
> ~Summary: newgroup alt.gothic
> ~Keywords: newgroup
> ~Message-ID: <1991Nov1.0...@javelin.sim.es.com>
> ~Date: 1 Nov 91 00:11:14 GMT
> ~Control: newgroup alt.gothic
> ~Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
> ~Lines: 33
> ~Approved: ne...@javelin.sim.es.com
>
>
> The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:
*sniparoo*
Okay, maybe someone can clear this up - I commenced net geekiness
around '91-'92. My impression has been that a.g came out of a
pre-my-net-geekiness SoM mailing list hosted by Laura Lemay because
that list was getting OT. Is this right? I never really cared before,
but I guess ten years is good enough reason to get nostalgic.
See what happens? I start reading newsgroups in the morning and never
get anything done for the rest of the day. Baaad baaad influence.
Lisiblac
Erika V.
Lisi...@neverwhen.net
Bob
>See what happens? I start reading newsgroups in the morning and never
>get anything done for the rest of the day. Baaad baaad influence.
Like you have anything better to do?
You know you could just read a.g last thing at night and never get to
sleep instead.
Bob
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Aidan Skinner
<Indivi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
<3bd47c45....@news.earthlink.net>:
> >The date was October 31, 1991.
>
> You're making me feel old. I was in high school when that
> happened.... now I teach high school.
I was in the last year of primary school... yarrgh.
> Eileen (how big is your dick? posting since 95)
'95 i think, maybe '94
- Aidan
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Erika V.
> Erika V. wrote:
> >See what happens? I start reading newsgroups in the morning and never
> >get anything done for the rest of the day. Baaad baaad influence.
> sleep instead.
Nah, that's what Everquest is for.
Lisiblac
Erika V.
Lisi...@neverwhen.net
Laura Lemay
> The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:
Do I remember writing any of this? No! I was doing a lot of
drinking in '91. My vision was questionable. Forgive me.
I think for the original alt.gothic charter Pete had paraphrased a posting
I had made to the SoM mailing list at the time. I do remember making the
comment about newgrouping alt.gothic on halloween. But I lost or threw
out everything I wrote in the early 90's (the hazard of changing jobs and
OSs and, well, being an idiot), so there is alas no accurate record, unless
Pete has it. HAD I ONLY KNOWN it would be important I would have kept the
emails and auctioned them on Ebay.
ALT.GOTHIC NEWGRP MSG NEW IN BOX NO RSRV LOOK!!!!
Laura
collectible goth
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Jennie
I'm sorry I missed your birthday! I had really hoped to send you
something, but, well, I was trying to finish a skirt before my ride
arrived, and I had packing to do, and very little sleep (in preparation
for the same), and the Mother Goth Brain was already pulling me in all
directions to satisfy her evil schemes... and the dog ate the card... or
something...
Anyway, I did want to say Happy Birthday, and let you know that
the years we've spent together have certainly been good for me. Dear God!
Another eight years and you'll be hitting the bottle. Still, I have every
intention of sticking around. Let's keep it this good.
Jennie
--
Jennie Kermode jen...@innocent.com
http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
"And yes I am alright I am a church and I am burning down."
Count Von Sexbat
> drinking in '91. My vision was questionable. Forgive me.
not until you send me that story for Take a Bite - I've been waiting
for five years ->B)
/\../\