Story on Goth
mjh...@my-dejanews.com
looking for teenagers into Goth to interview about this. I am trying to
get a source that will give me information so I can write the story as
correct and unbiased as possible. If you wouldn't mind answering a few
questions about this, e-mail me at mjh...@my-dejanews.com, thank you.
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two-step and proclaim:
>hello- I'm a freelance writer and am writing a story on Goth.
Wow. These crazy Americas will just churn out those college degrees now. Not
more than five minutes ago you were a high school student writing *another*
article on goth.
I think you might secretly be one of us
(One of us, one of us)
But we'll have to test you first.
We don't let just any old nobody pick up a run and join this Nazi's army.
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breaking apart like I'm made of glass again
Necr0angel
>hello- I'm a freelance writer and am writing a story on Goth.
That's very amusing, because in your other post "Subject: Need to interview
Goth students" you say:
"Hello, I'm a high school student taking a
journalism class now, and I'm writing an article
on Goth."
Get your stories straight, or do you lie so much you've forgotten what you
said?
Does your employer know you do this?
...or more appropriately, does your teacher know you're going around pretending
to be a "freelance journalist".
necroangel
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The Red Queen
If you're writing a story on Goth, then shouldn't you be interviewing Goths
of all ages? Or do you just think Goth is a "phase"?
Megan the Red Queen (who knows there has to be other 22-year-olds in this
thing)
Rev. Carroll D. Kraston
>hello- I'm a freelance writer and am writing a story on Goth. I'm
>looking for teenagers into Goth to interview about this.
Good luck, most goths are at least in their 20s...
Rev. Carroll D. Kraston
<red-...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Megan the Red Queen (who knows there has to be other 22-year-olds in this
>thing)
>
22?
Oh, to be 22 again...I was so young and innocent then..
Rev Carroll, who's deathly scared of turning 28 next month
Steve Lamb
<revca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Megan the Red Queen (who knows there has to be other 22-year-olds in this
>>thing)
>22?
>Oh, to be 22 again...I was so young and innocent then..
>Rev Carroll, who's deathly scared of turning 28 next month
Hell, I'm slowly catching up to you. 26 next month. Of course the
question is, is 26 too late to start looking at Goth stuff? :/
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DrkBloved
>question is, is 26 too late to start looking at >Goth stuff? :/
I hope not! If so, I'm in real trouble. I'll be 26 in October and have just
started doing the things I like to do and be who I am. Honestly, I don't think
age has a thing to do with anything 'cept maybe for collecting your SS check.
Bloved
Loki feyD'kin
<mjh...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:7i14rv$ujq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> hello- I'm a freelance writer and am writing a story on Goth. I'm
1) Get *your* story straight prior to attempting others.
2) All interviews must be conducted in a black trench and boots, other
clothing optional.
3) I'm 34 going on 13, do I qualify?
4) I'm correctly biased.
5) Opps, got bored.
Loki
Gothae Orior Avia
> age has a thing to do with anything 'cept maybe for collecting your SS check.
>
> Bloved
And when your too feeble to go to the mailbox and get said check, so you
die of neglect and your thousands of cats feast on your corpse, and they
finally find you, not because your family cared and called the police,
no, but because all the cat shit in your house made it stink and they
called the ASPCA.
Deal.
Gothae Orior Avia
In a black mood this evening
DrkBloved
>
>Gothae Orior Avia
>
>In a black mood this evening
>
Well, I do thank you for taking it out on me, dear heart.
Bloved
Who is now in a black mood.
Deal.
Gothae Orior Avia
Good, now go take it out on your cats, or other resident small animals.
Trust me, don't feel bad, they would do it to you ion a heartbeat if
they could manage.
Gothae Orior Avia
karasu
>
> >hello- I'm a freelance writer and am writing a story on Goth.
>
> That's very amusing, because in your other post "Subject: Need to
interview
> Goth students" you say:
> "Hello, I'm a high school student taking a
> journalism class now, and I'm writing an article
> on Goth."
>
> Get your stories straight, or do you lie so much you've forgotten what you
> said?
> Does your employer know you do this?
> ...or more appropriately, does your teacher know you're going around
pretending
> to be a "freelance journalist?"
(meekly stands from her seat in the back)
A freelance writer is anyone who researches and writes articles
independently and then submits them to publications(which he says he's doing
in the other post). There is no degree required or age minimum... you could
have a junior high freelance writer if they were intelligent and articulate
enough.
Now he wasn't too smart to post two seperate messages with two seperate
things... he should have stuck with one or the other...
(sits back down)
-karasu(who is learning all the fun of the freelancing world herself as a
journalism major in college)
the Gruamach
morp...@despair.rpglink.com (Steve Lamb) mumbled:
>>22?
>>Oh, to be 22 again...I was so young and innocent then..
>
>>Rev Carroll, who's deathly scared of turning 28 next month
>
> Hell, I'm slowly catching up to you. 26 next month. Of course the
>question is, is 26 too late to start looking at Goth stuff? :/
*sigh*
I'm in between: middle of 27th year.
"We're getting old, dude...nah, fuck it."
Charles (aka: the Gruamach) http://home.stlnet.com/~gothcop
alt.gothic's own Garibaldi and expecting Daddygoff
"What are we going to do todnight, Perky?"
"The same thing we do every night, Mopey. Bounce all over the world!"
marc widner
28 in June) agggghhhhhhhhhhh
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morp...@despair.rpglink.com (Steve Lamb) mumbled
> >>22?
> >>Oh, to be 22 again...I was so young and innocent then..
> >
> >>Rev Carroll, who's deathly scared of turning 28 next month
> >
> > Hell, I'm slowly catching up to you. 26 next month. Of course the
Bloodstone
:>looking for teenagers into Goth to interview about this.
: Good luck, most goths are at least in their 20s...
Unfortunately there are an awful lot of people who think they're goths who are
14-18... sometimes up to about 21 before they bump into a real goth who informs
them that CoF and MM are not goth bands. Even then they don't necessarily
believe them.
I once had a kiddie proclaim to me that I didn't understand him because I was
not a goth. I was rather shocked, sitting their with wall-to-wall hair, and a
Sisters 1985 T-shirt.
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Marcus Pan
> not a goth. I was rather shocked, sitting their with wall-to-wall hair, and a
> Sisters 1985 T-shirt.
This is a sign that you're developing into ubergoth status. You can ask
Klaatu, he's been elevated there after a somewhat recent club outting...
When you become prevalent and, uh, how shall I say it...aged?, yeah,
aged ;)...enough to be told by the "new spawn" that you're not a goth
even though you are wearing something like SoM, you transcend the normal
boundaries of gothdom.
So speaketh the Mother Goth Brain.
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klaatu
Hi Marcus Pan, good to see you out and about and posting more frequently!
>
> Bloodstone wrote:
> > not a goth. I was rather shocked, sitting their with wall-to-wall hair, and a
> > Sisters 1985 T-shirt.
>
> This is a sign that you're developing into ubergoth status. You can ask
> Klaatu, he's been elevated there after a somewhat recent club outting...
It's true. I was Rejected By Goths(tm) not once, not twice, but in fact I
have been Rejected By Goths(tm) _consistently_ for at least a year.
Of course, since they're out in a bar, they're just a bunch of Perkies and I
should probably feel complimented on my seething mopiness and radiations of
*gloom* if they were so ready to reject me.
>
> When you become prevalent and, uh, how shall I say it...aged?, yeah,
> aged ;)...enough to be told by the "new spawn" that you're not a goth
> even though you are wearing something like SoM, you transcend the normal
> boundaries of gothdom.
>
> So speaketh the Mother Goth Brain.
And as we know, the Mother Goth Brain speaks to only the deepest of wisdom.
Actually, I think I got a tiny bit of revenge on the PerkyKids by remarking
to one of their DJs that this was driving me nuts since in about 1983 I had
decided to let my hair turn into a puffy black rat's-nest and to wear all
black all of the time in order to express my alienation and rejection of
society's expectations, and now what the heck? My "look" had not only
spawned into a subculture, but a _trendy_ one at that. I then moped
disconsolately for the rest of the evening while drinking like a lake full
of fish. The DJ played considerably less industrial after that and spun more
SoM while I found a corner to crawl into and from which to radiate
sufficient angst and loathing so as to depress even the rest of the
blackclad paranoids, and wound up having a really cool discussion about
geology with some guy who was also looking pretty pissed off at all of the
glitterati.
-- klaatu, spawning the original
SelfEmployedCorporateInfiltratorMopeyFromAlienationHell style... and
DemiUberGoth of RejectionByGoths
>
> --
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What we see is more colored by our beliefs,
than what we believe is colored by what we see."
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purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - P. Henry
Marcus Pan
> Hi Marcus Pan, good to see you out and about and posting more frequently!
Thanks. As I told Oddly, I tried to lurk. Really I did. But this
place is like a black hole that sucks you in. ;)
> It's true. I was Rejected By Goths(tm) not once, not twice, but in fact I
> have been Rejected By Goths(tm) _consistently_ for at least a year.
>
> Of course, since they're out in a bar, they're just a bunch of Perkies and I
> should probably feel complimented on my seething mopiness and radiations of
> *gloom* if they were so ready to reject me.
http://www.zenweb.com/pan/legends/85/rejected.htm for Klaatu's story of
rejection. It's a sad, sordid tale of ascension to ubergothness.
Bow to him.
> And as we know, the Mother Goth Brain speaks to only the deepest of wisdom.
Always...but you have to feed her as many llamas as you can. Preferably
the ones that yeark loudly upon consumption. She gets very angst-ridden
if you don't feed her enough. Albatross keeps her in his backyard
acording to the legend...
> My "look" had not only
> spawned into a subculture, but a _trendy_ one at that. I then moped
> disconsolately for the rest of the evening while drinking like a lake full
> of fish. The DJ played considerably less industrial after that and spun more
> SoM while I found a corner to crawl into and from which to radiate
> sufficient angst and loathing so as to depress even the rest of the
> blackclad paranoids, and wound up having a really cool discussion about
> geology with some guy who was also looking pretty pissed off at all of the
> glitterati.
Aww. I hope too many of the perkmeisters weren't upset at the sudden
loss of newish industrial for oldish Uncle Andy crooning in their ears.
You DID come out of the corner to dance to Temple, did you not? Oh,
that's a must.
Who knows, maybe some of them will go out in the morning and pick up
Vision Thing or something and ten years from now maybe THEY'LL be the
new breed of ubergoths. I'm still working on my ubergothness as we
speak...I have to frighten off a few more children even when I smile in
order to attain that methinks. (Even when I'm NICE to them <sigh>.) Of
course, shaving my head for no apparent reason (I maintain I was evilly
and subliminally manipulated by BlueZ) didn't help. <shrug>
I'll let you know when I ascend. Shouldn't be long now...the MGB works
in mysterious ways. <cue T-Zone theme>
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Joceline
I recently found out why many teen goth girls love me.
I bear a strong resemblance to Tori Amos. No, really. Ever since I started
dyeing my hair red and I lost weight. I go to clubs and I'm in the bathroom
and someone will tentatively go up to me and say, "Do you know you look
like..." and I know what's coming next, so I usually say, "Dolly Parton,"
just to see the look of shock on her face.
Two goth girls started screaming and and squealing when they saw me in the
mall one night.
So, tell me, is Tori goth? Yeah, I know Neil Gaiman made her Delerium in the
Sandman books. But is she really goth?
I listen to some of her music, but I'm not a full-gonzo Tori fan.
Joceline
klaatu
>
> klaatu wrote:
> > Hi Marcus Pan, good to see you out and about and posting more frequently!
>
> Thanks. As I told Oddly, I tried to lurk. Really I did. But this
> place is like a black hole that sucks you in. ;)
>
> > It's true. I was Rejected By Goths(tm) not once, not twice, but in fact I
> > have been Rejected By Goths(tm) _consistently_ for at least a year.
> >
> > Of course, since they're out in a bar, they're just a bunch of Perkies and I
> > should probably feel complimented on my seething mopiness and radiations of
> > *gloom* if they were so ready to reject me.
>
> http://www.zenweb.com/pan/legends/85/rejected.htm for Klaatu's story of
> rejection. It's a sad, sordid tale of ascension to ubergothness.
>
> Bow to him.
>
Nah, they'd have to be in the same room with me, and as we all know, I am
indeed just too wretched to be borne for even the time it would take them to
bow to me.
[ I'd *mope* but I'm enjoying all of the attention muh too much. But I'll
pay for it on the morrow... ]
> > And as we know, the Mother Goth Brain speaks to only the deepest of wisdom.
>
> Always...but you have to feed her as many llamas as you can. Preferably
> the ones that yeark loudly upon consumption. She gets very angst-ridden
> if you don't feed her enough. Albatross keeps her in his backyard
> according to the legend...
I thought that the MGB that could be kept buried in the backyard in cheap
homemade crockery was not the true MGB. Shows what I know...
>
> > My "look" had not only
> > spawned into a subculture, but a _trendy_ one at that. I then moped
> > disconsolately for the rest of the evening while drinking like a lake full
> > of fish. The DJ played considerably less industrial after that and spun more
> > SoM while I found a corner to crawl into and from which to radiate
> > sufficient angst and loathing so as to depress even the rest of the
> > blackclad paranoids, and wound up having a really cool discussion about
> > geology with some guy who was also looking pretty pissed off at all of the
> > glitterati.
>
> Aww. I hope too many of the perkmeisters weren't upset at the sudden
> loss of newish industrial for oldish Uncle Andy crooning in their ears.
> You DID come out of the corner to dance to Temple, did you not? Oh,
> that's a must.
I did a combination of the "my feet are nailed to the floor but I must turn
all around in silly poses like a karate robot on X" and the "I would be
screwing in invisible lightbulbs except I keep sticking my thumbs into
powered-up electric-sockets" dance. For some Siouxsie "Cities in Dust", I
did the "sneaking around behind everyone like a complete idiot" dance. I
swear, I _love_ that song. Extra GAF points for anyone who can point out the
exact verses of Scripture it comes from.
>
> Who knows, maybe some of them will go out in the morning and pick up
> Vision Thing or something and ten years from now maybe THEY'LL be the
> new breed of ubergoths. I'm still working on my ubergothness as we
> speak...I have to frighten off a few more children even when I smile in
> order to attain that methinks. (Even when I'm NICE to them <sigh>.)
Now that is when you're oficially UberGeezerGAF. It's not when _you_
personally frighten children, but neighbors use you _without your knowledge
or any cause at all_ to frighten their children. As in "you better play
better football or you could wind up like <thumb point> _him_!"
> Of
> course, shaving my head for no apparent reason (I maintain I was evilly
> and subliminally manipulated by BlueZ) didn't help. <shrug>
No shit, I just did that too! Well, okay, just gave myself a
"high-and-tight" with some kitchen scissors...
>
> I'll let you know when I ascend. Shouldn't be long now...the MGB works
> in mysterious ways. <cue T-Zone theme>
Damn - now I'm going to have _that_ stuck in my head all night, as if it
wasn't already, just on general principles...
>
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>
<snips>
>
> So, tell me, is Tori goth? Yeah, I know Neil Gaiman made her Delerium in the
> Sandman books. But is she really goth?
>
> I listen to some of her music, but I'm not a full-gonzo Tori fan.
I don't know if I'd call her Goth but she's definitely got a wealth of angst
to work out -- great music and better lyrics.
I'd really call her more of a Surrealist than anything else, maybe a Dark
Surrealism? sorta like Oonh on his Mopey Days? It's like Tori's world of
hurt and alienation is so totally DaDa that it can only be addressed by a
Surrealist Art Attack. Is that Goth? More transcendent, but because of the
pain I'd probably have to at least give her honorary Goff Goddess status.
>
> Joceline
olivia
Joceline wrote:
> But is she really goth?
not unless she comes back from the dead to haunt her psychopathic
gypsy lover.
but i think she's nifty anyway.
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>Joceline wrote:
>>
><snips>
>
>>
>> So, tell me, is Tori goth? Yeah, I know Neil Gaiman made her Delerium in
>the
>> Sandman books. But is she really goth?
>>
>> I listen to some of her music, but I'm not a full-gonzo Tori fan.
>
>I don't know if I'd call her Goth but she's definitely got a wealth of angst
>to work out -- great music and better lyrics.
>
>I'd really call her more of a Surrealist than anything else, maybe a Dark
>Surrealism? sorta like Oonh on his Mopey Days? It's like Tori's world of
>hurt and alienation is so totally DaDa that it can only be addressed by a
>Surrealist Art Attack. Is that Goth? More transcendent, but because of the
>pain I'd probably have to at least give her honorary Goff Goddess status.
First off, I don't want to sound like I hate Tori Amos, 'cos I don't--I've
owned all her albums, and then some...but I don't think she's any sort of
surrealist genius. Her lyrics are just too...purposely weird, I think. In
interviews, too, I find that a lot of what she says when she goes into
airy-fairy mystical mode just sounds stupid and contrived--I don't believe
*she* even knows wtf she's talking about sometimes.
Hurt and alienation? Wotevah. I would much much *much* rather listen to Happy
Rhodes or Kate Bush when in the mood for "quirky" female singer/songwriters.
They are geniuses and possess a purity, independence and originality that I
have always thought to be lacking from Tori's stuff (I think she over-emotes as
well, and not in a cool Patti Smith way, just a whiny way)--and they aren't
hung up on all that feminist/"empowered woman" bollocks, either (no offense to
people who enjoy that, but I have no time for people who think being male *or*
female makes any bloody difference).
IMO, Tori is pretty much a plain old popster with good producers and
above-average songwriting skills. I'd take her over, say, any of the Lilith
Fair crowd any time, but I find her about as dark and angsty as a cream puff.
~Lorelei~
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olivia
xlor...@aol.combatrock (XloreleiX) wrote:
<..>
> I would much much *much* rather listen to Happy
> Rhodes or Kate Bush
oh lovely lovely.
i've only just recently gained an appreciation for kate bush.
she's swoony.
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ImPuRiTy
>Joceline wrote:
>
>> But is she really goth?
Goth? No. Not really. Talented? Why yes.
I'm a big fan of the Goddess, so, I have nothing to say but good things
about her.
As for Kate Bush... *Sigh* I know many Tori fans adore her. But for some
reason, I've never caught on. It was that whole "Rubber Band..." thing song.
*Shudder*
ImPy :)
Jon Swinghammer
doesn't love him :-) She's got a lot of the same themes as Gabriel and has
much more to say than Tori, Kate understands Jungian archetypes and such
which I don't think Tori even has a concept of. I like Tori's new album OK
but her lyrics are subpar in the world of rock and roll.
Jon
KB
Hmm...
Well, I think Tori's just Tori.
*Maybe* a little derivative...
...okay, sometimes a *LOT* derivative...
... of my favorite Kate Bush...(loved her since I saw her writhing on the
piano, in the catsuit, singing "The Man With The Child in His Eyes"...
But not goth.
Angsty sometimes
weird, definitely ON PURPOSE lots of the time.
but that's art. If ya can't be wee-ird...then...it just ain't fun.
(and she rides one MEAN piano stool!)...
<yee-haw?>
(if women made me hot, she would be one that did.)
...uh oh, more info than I needed to give, right?
Kath (who still uses deli...@full-moon.com 'cause she likes Neil Gaiman's
character AND Tori...)
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Robin Taylor
wrote:
>Goth? No. Not really. Talented? Why yes.
Extremely talented.
>As for Kate Bush... *Sigh* I know many Tori fans adore her. But for some
>reason, I've never caught on. It was that whole "Rubber Band..." thing song.
>
>*Shudder*
I think that should read, many Kate fans adore Tori? Kate having
been around a little longer.
As for 'rubberband girl' not the best track, try 'and so is love'
from the same album to see why Kate is the tenth muse. :-)
Also you might want to listen to Kate's first album, 'The Kick Inside'
which was mainly vocals and piano, and where the comparisons to Tori
have come from.
Robin.
Teleute0
>I think that should read, many Kate fans adore Tori? Kate
>having been around a little longer.
i believe TKI came out in '78, or at least Wuthering Heights
was released sometime around then.
> [regarding The Red Shoes, kate's latest album] As for
>'rubberband girl' not the best track, try 'and so is love'
>from the same album to see why Kate is the tenth muse.
or, if you'd rather listen to music rather than drivel (hey, i
adore Kate, but most fans will agree that TRS is really her
"worst" album as to date), check out Hounds of Love, The
Dreaming, The Kick Inside, or The Sensual World. (my faves.)
--teleute.
www.obscure.org/~teleute . . . She just has a resentment
of idiots & posts in a way that reflects that. She generally
*is* rather harsh on what she deems idiotic posts & I can't
say I blame her. --Em
Robin Taylor
>i believe TKI came out in '78, or at least Wuthering Heights
>was released sometime around then.
My point exactly.
>or, if you'd rather listen to music rather than drivel (hey, i
>adore Kate, but most fans will agree that TRS is really her
>"worst" album as to date), check out Hounds of Love, The
>Dreaming, The Kick Inside, or The Sensual World. (my faves.)
Kate Drivel?!!! :) There *are* some really good tracks on 'The Red
Shoes' but there are also a couple of iffy ones,(by Kate's standards).
Really I can only recommend buying *all* her albums and the TWW box
set as well! :) And no she's *not* goth she's Kate!
Robin
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kla...@clark.net opened up hir mouth and spewed:
> I don't know if I'd call her Goth but she's definitely got a wealth of angst
> to work out -- great music and better lyrics.
Random note:
I don't mind if they like Tori even though I really, really don't. But
too many people like Tori and decide that makes them goth. That just
drives me crazy.
I am not really into singer/songwriters like her, they don't appeal to me
and drive me insane a lot.
-Leonora
(likes girly rock though)
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Bloodstone
:> Of course, since they're out in a bar, they're just a bunch of Perkies and I
:> should probably feel complimented on my seething mopiness and radiations of
:> *gloom* if they were so ready to reject me.
With me it was the other way around... a, erm, "more experienced" perky
rejected by a young wippersnapper of a mopey (not-a-goth).
: http://www.zenweb.com/pan/legends/85/rejected.htm for Klaatu's story of
: rejection. It's a sad, sordid tale of ascension to ubergothness.
Balls, I've just dropped the (phone) line and I am frigging not dialing again
(UK phone charges...).
: Bow to him.
You mean tie his shoelaces together? :)
:> And as we know, the Mother Goth Brain speaks to only the deepest of wisdom.
[snip]
: Aww. I hope too many of the perkmeisters weren't upset at the sudden
: loss of newish industrial for oldish Uncle Andy crooning in their ears.
I certaily hope not; one of the fundamental tennets of perkygothdom is to dance
is a highly melodramatic, over-the-top, hands-clasped in anguish and then
thrown to the sky manner to Uncle Adny's dulcet tones... and then fall on the
floor in an apoplectic giggling heap.
: You DID come out of the corner to dance to Temple, did you not? Oh,
: that's a must.
OOOOHHHH Yes...
"With the fire from the fireworks up above me"
<swish hands in front of you and then move them skywards>
"with a gun for a lover and a shot full of pain at hand"
<pretend to shoot up and then clasp your hands to your chest>
"You run for cover"
<cross hands to the left, the right>
"In the temple of love"
<open palms to the sky, but quite low>
"You run for another but still the same"
<slowly lower hands to sides>
"the wind will blow my name accross this land"
<sleep left arm accross in front of you>
"In the temple of love you hide together"
<bring up right hand to meet and clasp close to chest>
"believing pain and fear outside"
<palms up at shoulder height>
"but someone near you rides the weather"
<invert left wrist and push out>
"and the tears he cried will rain"
<bring right hand round and down in front of face>
"on walls as wide as... lovers eyes"
<slowly part hands, flick left hand up to left eye>
wait...
1 2 3 4 COSSACK DANCING!!!!!
: Who knows, maybe some of them will go out in the morning and pick up
: Vision Thing
and hopefully burn it... one less copy on the planet has to be a good thing!
: or something and ten years from now maybe THEY'LL be the
: new breed of ubergoths.
Heh, I can imagine...
"I've got an original Vision Thing CD!"
"We're not worthy, we're not worthy!!"
: I'm still working on my ubergothness as we
: speak...I have to frighten off a few more children even when I smile in
: order to attain that methinks.
Aah, the trick is to frighten them off *when* you smile :)
: I'll let you know when I ascend. Shouldn't be long now...the MGB works
: in mysterious ways. <cue T-Zone theme>
I sense an air of anticipation in the MGB, it'll not be long now :)
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FatherHoly
(Robin Taylor) writes:
> I think that should read, many Kate fans adore Tori? Kate having
>been around a little longer.
> As for 'rubberband girl' not the best track, try 'and so is love'
>from the same album to see why Kate is the tenth muse. :-)
>Also you might want to listen to Kate's first album, 'The Kick Inside'
>which was mainly vocals and piano, and where the comparisons to Tori
>have come from.
>
>Robin.
Never Forever has to be my album pick. But, they're all sooooo good.
It puzzles me how Tori Amos can acheive such popularity, while mimicking every
Kate Bush trait. Can it be that Kate Bush's work needed to be "dumbed down"
for the masses?
Fr. P.P. Holy, OBL
If Christus died for our sins, isn't it a mockery of his
death to fail to commit the very sins he died for?
"Fuck 'em anyway - if they mattered, I would care."
Albatross
> >It puzzles me how Tori Amos can acheive such popularity, while mimicking every
> >Kate Bush trait. Can it be that Kate Bush's work needed to be "dumbed down"
> >for the masses?
I think Tori is hardly 'dumbed down' anything. Little Earthquakes
closely resembled Kate Bush. I don't think that you can really say that
they are any more alike than say, Hayden and Mozart. There is
undoubtedly some influence, but... so what. I object to reducing
anyone's art on grounds that it has been influenced. No one creates in a
vacuum; every bit of art is strongly influenced.
> No, it needed to be 'prettied up'. Kate isn't bad looking, but she
> just isn't as beautiful as Tori.
Eeeek. You need to take a look at the cover of Lionheart.
Kate Bush is gorgeous.
I rememeber <exile> saying that Kate Bush is pretty much his ideal
woman. I understand that. Completely on the side of the imagination;
whearas Tori Amos occasionaly relies on a political tone.
Albatross
PS. Old enough to have bought The Dreaming new. Still the single most
original Rock album ever made.
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Nyx
>In article <374fbf75...@news.virgin.net>, robin.tD...@virgin.net
>(Robin Taylor) writes:
>Never Forever has to be my album pick. But, they're all sooooo good.
>It puzzles me how Tori Amos can acheive such popularity, while mimicking every
>Kate Bush trait. Can it be that Kate Bush's work needed to be "dumbed down"
>for the masses?
No, it needed to be 'prettied up'. Kate isn't bad looking, but she
just isn't as beautiful as Tori.
Hey, sex sells. You don't think those little white slip dresses Tori
wears have anything to do with it? The naked spice girl is the one
everyone remembers, not the one who could actually sing.
Nyx
Standing at the corner of Fascination St.and Detonation Blvd.
"If you open your mouth I can't be responsible for quite what
goes in, or to care what comes out."
Sulevia
>fathe...@aol.compisswine (FatherHoly) wrote:
>>Can it be that Kate Bush's work needed to be "dumbed down" for the
>>masses?
>No, it needed to be 'prettied up'. Kate isn't bad looking, but she
>just isn't as beautiful as Tori.
*gasp*goggle*BLINK
Sorry, I just find this astonishing. Tori is beautiful, yeah, but... okay,
it's certainly an opinion thing, sure. But I never heard anyone say Kate
wasn't pretty enough. I'm gonna have to think that one over for a while.
:)
>Hey, sex sells. You don't think those little white slip dresses Tori
>wears have anything to do with it? The naked spice girl is the one
>everyone remembers, not the one who could actually sing.
Heh heh... I have quite a few pics of Kate, back when her high range
hadn't been limited somewhat by smoking, in the early days, where no one
seemed too concerned about selling her with sex. (Classic quote about the
famous leotard pic: "I suppose it's sexy cos you can see my nipples.") But
she was under 20 then. Now she's forty, and her look has evolved. [1]
Personally, I think she was the queen of image-reinvention before Madonna
came along.
Anyway. I can see myself quickly becoming GaffaGirl again, so I'll wrap
here. I love both of them, but I will be interested to see what Tori's
doing in 2012 when it's 20 years after Little Earthquakes. That's one
reason I try not to compare them. It's just too soon.
Susan
[1] And at the age of 32, I say, if I can look half as good as Kate and as
Siouxsie when I am the age they are now, I will be very happy.
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XloreleiX
>fathe...@aol.compisswine (FatherHoly) wrote:
>
>>In article <374fbf75...@news.virgin.net>, robin.tD...@virgin.net
>>(Robin Taylor) writes:
>
>>Never Forever has to be my album pick. But, they're all sooooo good.
>>It puzzles me how Tori Amos can acheive such popularity, while mimicking
>every
>>Kate Bush trait. Can it be that Kate Bush's work needed to be "dumbed down"
>>for the masses?
>
>No, it needed to be 'prettied up'. Kate isn't bad looking, but she
>just isn't as beautiful as Tori.
Oh, wow. I so completely disagree with you! For one thing, Tori has the benefit
of being at least 10 years younger than Kate (not sure about this exactly). Go
back and check out the covers of _Lionheart_ (that lion costume, purrrr...) or
_The Dreaming_. Kate is all about drama, mystery, and invention; Tori isn't
hideous, but I consider her utterly drab and mundane in comparison. I saw her
on that David Byrne PBS show one night and thought she looked like someone's
mother!
It took me awhile to get into Kate Bush (not literally--gulp, I wish! ;) ). Her
work is complex, exotic, erotic, and requires a brain to appreciate; Tori is
alright, but she really is just a pop star, obsessed over by 50 million
annoying angst-ridden teenage girls.
BTW, now that all the Kate Bush fans are crawling out of the woodwork, does
anyone here listen to Happy Rhodes? She is also heavily Kate-influenced (and
sounds *exactly* like her quite often), but her stuff is much more
sophisticated and experimental than Tori, IMO. Her records are the next best
thing to a new Kate Bush record (which may never see the light of day, sigh...)
>Hey, sex sells. You don't think those little white slip dresses Tori
>wears have anything to do with it? The naked spice girl is the one
>everyone remembers, not the one who could actually sing.
I don't even know which one is which...!
Glenn, thine Prophet of Chaos
>klaatu wrote:
>> Hi Marcus Pan, good to see you out and about and posting more frequently!
>
>Thanks. As I told Oddly, I tried to lurk. Really I did. But this
>place is like a black hole that sucks you in. ;)
That's a blatant lie, and you know it!
--
Thine Prophet of Kaos.
Robin Taylor
>No, it needed to be 'prettied up'. Kate isn't bad looking, but she
>just isn't as beautiful as Tori.
Whilst beauty *is* subjective, I've never heard anyone knock Kate on
that account! You haven't seen the Babooshka video then :)
>Hey, sex sells. You don't think those little white slip dresses Tori
Yes, but Kate doesn't care that much for selling records, shifting
'product' six years from the last album and still counting!
Oh, and 20 years since the last tour, and no hope of another?
Up to 'never for ever' she did play EMI's game to an extent but after
that she really did what she wanted.
The comparisons to Tori aren't really fair to either of them. Tori
*is* talented in her *own* right.
Robin.
Steve Lamb
>BTW, now that all the Kate Bush fans are crawling out of the woodwork, does
>anyone here listen to Happy Rhodes? She is also heavily Kate-influenced (and
>sounds *exactly* like her quite often), but her stuff is much more
>sophisticated and experimental than Tori, IMO. Her records are the next best
>thing to a new Kate Bush record (which may never see the light of day,
>sigh...)
*perk* Did someone mention Happy? Been listening to her ever since I
stumbled onto #ecto on ef.net, oh... mmmm, over 5+ years ago. Started with
Rhodesongs and never looked back. Love her lyrics and some of the little
tricks she plays to give words and sentences double and triple meanings.
As for Tori, my small take on her... Best album was Little Earthquakes,
been downhill since. She's forgotten where she started from, IMHO. Her
voice, her lyrics, her piano.
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FatherHoly
xlor...@aol.combatrock (XloreleiX) writes:
>BTW, now that all the Kate Bush fans are crawling out of the woodwork, does
>anyone here listen to Happy Rhodes? She is also heavily Kate-influenced (and
>sounds *exactly* like her quite often), but her stuff is much more
>sophisticated and experimental than Tori, IMO. Her records are the next best
>thing to a new Kate Bush record (which may never see the light of day,
>sigh...)
Tori burned me out on the sound-alikes.
Why settle for beer when you can have Benedictine?
I don't think Kate is going to want to do much more. After all, her last album
was an admitted attempt at commercial acceptance and she has already been so
heavily imitated by lesser people that there isn't a whole lot of room for her.
She has too much talent and integrity to sell out to the point of making a
commercially competitive album.
Why should she give Tori any more material?
Fr. P.P. Holy, OBL
"Fuck 'em anyway - if they mattered, I would care."
Who are these people anyway?
To reply, tear down the fort.
FatherHoly
writes:
>No, it needed to be 'prettied up'. Kate isn't bad looking, but she
>just isn't as beautiful as Tori.
The hell? Let's see, long dark clean hair, pale skin, deep dark eyes, thick
pouty lips on a head that actually has a brain in it all attached to a WOMAN'S
body? Let's compare that to someone who looks like they've been on the road
with Phish for the last year.
>Hey, sex sells. You don't think those little white slip dresses Tori
>wears have anything to do with it? The naked spice girl is the one
>everyone remembers, not the one who could actually sing.
Guess you may be right. Some of us prefer women to girls.
Whatever the case, no sex for those with poor personal hygiene.
FatherHoly
(Robin Taylor) writes:
>The comparisons to Tori aren't really fair to either of them. Tori
>*is* talented in her *own* right.
>
>Robin.
Tastefully put.
KB
*wholly* into the act...
Tori *seems* to be there, but time will tell.
(still rides a damn sensual piano bench I say!)
(On the topic of femme artistes...ask me about Siouxsie!!!)
Kath
Sulevia
>Never Forever has to be my album pick. But, they're all sooooo good.
That is a tough one. I went to the little black Cube O' Kate last night
and, after looking over the ouevre, chose Lionheart -- not the first I
would mention as my "favorite" -- and put it on the headphones... and was
blown away anew.
One thing I have always enjoyed about Kate is not only the music and
musicianship, but her sense of theatrics and of theatre. So many songs are
little plays, dramas self-contained (and then there's Hounds of Love/The
Ninth Wave)... not to mention one thing her, shall we say, heirs, do not
do is dance, stage the songs with plays and costumes... not, at least,
with the same sense of theatre Kate did. I love that about her. Even
without concerts, and indeed just on the tracks as well as in the videos,
she'll do that, stage the songs. I love that. It's brave, and compelling,
even if maybe it doesn't always work (or work as well as the real
successes).
Or maybe I've been reading too much criticism again. Anyway...
Susan
Joceline
Well, thanks for everyone's opinions (especially about Kate Bush, who I like
a lot).
OK, so the general consensus is Tori is not really goth, but many goths like
her anyway <g>. If I am stuck looking like someone, I guess looking like
Tori Amos isn't bad at all. Could be worse. I could look like Jabba the Hutt
or his girlfriend...<g>
Joceline