Favorite Artist Poll
ally...@k-online.com
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DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY.... i know
thats one thing ALL goths, no matter which sect, hold dear to
themselves... art.
-Lily
P.S. dont forget literary geniuses :)...
models (i.e. bettie page)...
politicians (for whatever reason, some may call it 'art'... the art of
lying, acting and deception in every form)....
OHH... the list goes on....
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Romek
ART
Artist: Escher
Why?: Cos his pictures are great to stare at when I can't sleep at night
and my brain is starting to ask bizarre questions such as what does a
duck-billed platypuss sound like?
MUSIC
(of all time)
Artist: Rob Zombie
Why: For being a screwed up, drugged up freak publicly
(right at this very second)
Artist: Rob Halford
Why: For admitting he's gay to one of the most bigotted scenes in the
music industry.
This may seem bizarre but these are the people I most respect.
Unfortunatly the person I most hate and always have is Mr Eldritch for
having an ego so big that he can't have any other bands on stage with
him at any time. Sorry, but thats the way it is... ;->
The Purple Munchkin of Doom
<I *DO* like the Sisters, I just can't abide Eldritch...!?!>
jal...@yahoo.com
In article <6dcbb7$hg5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
ally...@k-online.com wrote:
(snip)
> ... i'm curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
> whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY.... i know
> thats one thing ALL goths, no matter which sect, hold dear to
> themselves... art.
> -Lily
Egads! That's quite a tall order...Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Painters: (too many to mention, no permanent favorite, but..)
Dante Rosetti, Munch, Klimt, Dali, Matisse, Hung Liu...
Sculptors: Giacometti, Rodin
Illustrators: Olivia (does the best Bettie)
Playwrights: Oscar Wilde, Tom Stoppard
Writers: (um, also too varied. I'm going to skip this for now)
Directors: Fellini. tied for second: Scorsese, Chaplin
Costume/Fashion Designers: my Jodie, who makes jaws drop in admiration
whenever her clothing is worn out in public.
http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~joc97006/ (plugging a friend)
Musicians & Actors: too broad. Depends on the era and genre.
Jen Alyce
Darkly Odd
>ally...@k-online.com (Lily) says that inquiring minds want to know:
> i'm curious, what/who is your favorite artist...
Michael Whelan (painter)
Robert Vavra (photographer)
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ally...@k-online.com wrote:
<snip, Lily's first poll>
Waterhouse. I love the human form and face, the regular play of light
and color, and mythical stories (which I tend to find more real than
desciptions of day to day), all of which the Pre-Raphelite's capture
like true virtuosos. Waterhouse is, I guess, a bit later than Rosetti et
al; as is Burne-Jones, another fave.
Saw a painting called Elaine, by an american artist named Rosenthal? at
the Art Institute in Chicago Friday. God, it is lovely. Obviously
influenced by the Pre-Raphelites...
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XloreleiX
Lily wrote:
> i'm
>curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
>whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY
Oh, man. As an art history major, I don't know how to begin to narrow this
down. I have a feeling a lot of my choices (Michaelangelo and Dali, for
example) are going to appear on other lists, so I'll try to name some of my
lesser-known loves...
--John Henry Fuseli--Romantic-period painter who incorporated scenes from
mythology, poetry, etc. His painting "The Nightmare" is the painting I would
most like to own. And it's truly GAF.
--Anselm Kiefer--contemporary German artist whose art reflects the ravages of
World War II. Bleak and dark and depressing :)
Other visual people I like: Bosch, Waterhouse, the Hellenistic sculptors, Man
Ray, Joel-Peter Witkin, etc, etc.
Favourite musical artists--too damn many to list, but Ian Curtis comes to mind
first
>P.S. dont forget literary geniuses :)...
>models (i.e. bettie page)...
>politicians (for whatever reason, some may call it 'art'... the art of
>lying, acting and deception in every form)....
Literature--Flannery O'Connor, Poe, Wilde, Plath, the French Symbolists, the
Romantic poets, Lovecraft, Lewis Carroll, Genet, Sartre, Camus, AS Byatt, Tom
Robbins, Patrick McGrath, blah, blah, blah...
Models--uuuhh...none...unless Morrissey's done a Gap ad or something behind my
back. Though if I had to pick one, maybe that girl with the sparkplug tattoo...
Politicians--I'm not going to answer this as I consider myself an independent
state of sorts...
X Lorelei X
"206 bones, 50 miles of small intestine, full,
pouting lips. Why, this fellow is less a
snowman than a god."--J. Montgomery Burns
ally...@k-online.com
XloreleiX wrote in message
>--John Henry Fuseli--Romantic-period painter who incorporated scenes
from
>mythology, poetry, etc. His painting "The Nightmare" is the painting
I would
>most like to own. And it's truly GAF.
okay... i feel STOOPID... this artist sounds worthy as all hell of
checking out... :) thanx.
>Other visual people I like: Bosch
OH YEAH, gotta LOVE Bosch :P
-Lily
"When one does not see what one does not see, one
does not even see that one is blind." - Paul Veyne
"I eat the eyes and pray to see the emptiness inside of
me... I eat the brain and pray to know anarchy of fallen
angles" - Acid Bath
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XloreleiX
Lily wrote:
>XloreleiX wrote in message
>>--John Henry Fuseli--Romantic-period painter
(snip)
>
>okay... i feel STOOPID... this artist sounds worthy as all hell of
>checking out... :) thanx.
You're not stupid--he's pretty underrated and wasn't very well-liked by critics
of his time. I'm contemplating devoting part of my forthcoming website to
Fuseli--I've yet to find a decent English-language site about the lad. He
really deserves the exposure.
S. N. Wetherbee
> <snip, Lily's first poll>
>
> Waterhouse. I love the human form and face, the regular play of
light and color, and mythical stories (which I tend to find more real
than desciptions of day to day), all of which the Pre-Raphelite's
capture like true virtuosos. Waterhouse is, I guess, a bit later than
Rosetti et al; as is Burne-Jones, another fave.
Waterhouse does kick major butt,
But if I have to pick one, it'll be Giger, for all the obvious reasons.
web
bac...@email.uc.edu
> DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
> curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
> whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY.... i know
> thats one thing ALL goths, no matter which sect, hold dear to
> themselves... art.
> -Lily
>
As anyone can fig from my sig, (teehee), I am a pretty decent fan of Gorey
art. As for musicians. I waver a lot between actual "favorites". My long term
interests, however, have included the usual Sisters stuff, Bauhaus, Siouxie,
and Dead can Dance (yes, how unoriginal, I know), my newer interests include
Switchblade, Attrition, a few other Projekt bands, and the like. Oh, and
Tapping the Vein is a pretty good gothic industrial band around Philadelphia.
I am sure that I am leaving many out, but I hope you get the idea.
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Alain Cislaghi
On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:02:21 -0600, ally...@k-online.com wrote:
>DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
>curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
>whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY.... i know
>thats one thing ALL goths, no matter which sect, hold dear to
>themselves... art.
>-Lily
Art! H.R.Gigers or something like that... I luv a few others such as
Bruegel the Elder, Salvador Dali etc...But when i discovered
Gigers(i'm sure i'm misspelling again) stuff via the net, i found
something that pleased me totally. It was like finding the right part
to fit in my mecanic ;) I get an impression of intrically organic and
mecanic hardware mixed thighly together when i watch his stuff... I
wont talk of the undefined feeling of erotism i find in it too, cuz
undefined and unclear to me it is yet ;)
>P.S. dont forget literary geniuses :)...
>models (i.e. bettie page)...
>politicians (for whatever reason, some may call it 'art'... the art of
>lying, acting and deception in every form)....
Ohh okie...
Reading : Kafka! Despite the fact that i love many particulary
different authors, i enjoyed Kafka's stuff the most ;) Tho, i always
despised the fact that almost all what he wrote got no ending... :/
WarLords : Attila the Hun! From his corner he grabbed together an army
and just nearly managed to throw back the whole europe back to the
neanderthal era ;) Tho, i have many other fave "artists of war" but
he's my all time fave ;)
Music : L.Cohen. This dood know how to write lyrics and, wow, he do it
with pretty decent musics and vocals! ;)> And, of course, he's a
Canuck.. but i'm not biased at all... I swear...
Cinema : D.Cronenberg... That dood can make sci-fi movies which got
both the attractive look of commercial stuff and that with real
content and brain excercise! Wow! And the fact that he's a Canuck got
nothing related with my choice... Damn i swear! :/
Poetry : Emile Nelligan. And that's not cuz he was a Canuck, i swear,
its cuz he wrote Le Vaisseau D'or, La Romance du vin and a few others
that touch me ;) Damn! Les Corbeaux! I could have forgot that one
while i mentioned the lesser "Romance du vin" ;)>
Hmm, there's more but then i would take too much bandwith cuz each new
category of *art* i think of, 2 new others to my minds ;)
Alain.
<Spoiled rotten slutty bratty Silly-butt>
*He's just a stereotype, he doesn't really exist*
Lissandre
>Art! H.R.Gigers or something like that...
Well, you are VERY close, it is H.R. Geiger...great artist!!!!
>>curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
As far as myself, Geiger, Dali, Bradstreet for art
Fields of the Nephilim, Switchblade Symphony, Sisters of Mercy, The Mission for
music
There are many more, but those give me the right "feeling" . I listen to music
for 2 reasons, the feelings it envokes, and if I makes my body want to move and
dance. If the music fulfills both of those criteria, I find it very satisfying
and almost rejuvenating.
Lissandre
"Goth before it was invented..."
trapo...@mailcity.com
In article <6dcbb7$hg5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> thats one thing ALL goths, no matter which sect, hold dear to
> themselves... art.
> -Lily
>
> models (i.e. bettie page)...
> politicians (for whatever reason, some may call it 'art'... the art of
> lying, acting and deception in every form)....
>
>
Okay. the first to my mind...Salvidor Dali. Albit its because when i saw
artist the first thing into my mind was painting, sculpting, ect. Why you
ask? HWY NOT! I cant explane the unexplanable. He just appeals to me, i find
his painting, his works, and his life facinating. You can stare at a Dali
painting for hours, at least i can. It makes me happy.. I feel like im
forgetting someone, but i always feel like im forgetting somtthing when
awnsering to polls.
Gerladine, who had a few dali posters i her room, before she realize scotch
tape wasent the best thing to hold up prints with. Üplasma demon, mock angel,
sleey, lurky net thingÜ plasm...@hotmail.com
ally...@k-online.com
but have you noticed (hehe cause i have an Olivia plaque pinned up right
behind my computer :) that its not spelled "Bettie" (the correct way)... its
spelled "Betty", i am guessing it is done this other way for trademark
reasons. when they had that special about her on E! they didnt even mention
Olivia... must be some kinda dispute, but i dont know ::shrugs::
-Lily
"When one does not see what one does not see, one
does not even see that one is blind." - Paul Veyne
"I eat the eyes and pray to see the emptiness inside of
me... I eat the brain and pray to know anarchy of fallen
angles" - Acid Bath
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ally...@k-online.com wrote in message <6dcbb7$hg5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
>curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
>whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY....
Visually, it's Marian Werefkin.
Expressionism mixed with Russian religious iconography.Absolutely beautiful
Gave up her career to support Alexei Jawlensky (who also rocks).
Criminal waste of talent.
Musically, depends on my mood, but Danielle Dax, Einsturzende Neubauten and
Siouxsie & the Banshees are always up there.
Axel... ...Callisti
Hail Eris... ...All Hail Discordia
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Albatross
Alain Cislaghi wrote:
> Reading : Kafka! Despite the fact that i love many particulary
> different authors, i enjoyed Kafka's stuff the most ;) Tho, i always
> despised the fact that almost all what he wrote got no ending... :/
You might be interested in a new translation of the Castle, just
released last week. Translations of Kafka have been notoriously bad (see
Milan Kundera's Testaments Betrayed); this one attempts to recapture
some of the oddities and musical qualities of K's prose. A great deal of
Kafka's peculiar plainness is actually a product of bad translation. In
fact he was rather effusive, poetic and modern in style as well as
content; in fact, stranger than we might previously have thought.
-eloquence-
I don't know that I have a favorite artist. I think it's
about the same difficulty level as finding a favorite author.
I have several favorite paintings, though.
One of them Boo gave in print form, though the artist
_and_ title escape me, and they're not written on the print.
Maybe he'll enlighten us? It's done in oranges and flaming
colors and golds and warm browns, and it's of a woman asleep.
I really really lean towards surrealists. Dali and
Magritte are obvious choices. Dali gets a little... twisted
and distorted for me sometimes, but I love so many of his
paintings... I think one of my favs is the one (title escapes
me, of course) of a nude woman, a goldfish, a tiger, and a
pomegranate. And Magritte just appeals to the orderly chaos
inside of me.
I also very much love Albrect Durer, for reasons
unknown. Possibly because his realism is so precise, or
possibly because his self-portraits are of Jesus. He appeals
to the well-ordered in me.
To be honest, another of my favorite artists is our
own Raphrat. His art has incredible strength and his figures
are amazing. He does a lot of his work in black and white,
which are most appealing to me, and well, y'all should just
visit his website (http://theratsnest.res.cmu.edu/) and
look at his stuff. Will (TSM) does some incredible line
drawings as well, and it appeals to the fantastic in me. I
have one of his drawings up on my wall.... it's something
that I'll always treasure. =)
-eloquence-
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Heidi Evans
> > <snip, Lily's first poll>
I have a number of them, but my biggest influences on my own art have
been Erte and Nagel. On the other hand, I have an enormous admiration
for Goya, being able to express such feeling with such--almost
primitive style. (Not to mention I suspect he must have had a sense of
humor much like mine).
XloreleiX
Albatross wrote:
>You might be interested in a new translation of the Castle, just
>released last week. Translations of Kafka have been notoriously bad (see
>Milan Kundera's Testaments Betrayed); this one attempts to recapture
>some of the oddities and musical qualities of K's prose. A great deal of
>Kafka's peculiar plainness is actually a product of bad translation. In
>fact he was rather effusive, poetic and modern in style as well as
>content; in fact, stranger than we might previously have thought.
This is something I've always suspected, but wasn't educated well enough to
confirm. Do you happen to know if other titles are being re-translated as well,
or if there _are_ any faithful existing English versions of his other work?
SiN-thia
Music-Goth: Souxsie and the Banshees - first *goth* band I ever listened
to
Music-other: Carmen - the opera - I just LOVE it...don't know why
Artist: Hieronymus Bosch - just kinda wierd
Writer: Raymond Chander - Los Angeles in the 1940s, dark...beautiful
Other- misc: Myself - I AM a artist at heart, just waiting to escape
Cynthia
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ally...@k-online.com wrote:
>
>
> DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
> curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
Kali Nichta
I have trouble finding a favorite in most mediums. The only absolute
favorites I have are in music (The Afghan Whigs) and acting (Gary
Oldman). I'm not sure why I don't have many *absolute* favorites; maybe
my tastes are too various to narrow down like that.
But in general...
Art: Waterhouse, Jon J Muth (comics illustrator), Dave McKean (did all
the covers for the Sandman comics), Damion Tidd (friend of mine
http://www.sfgoth.com/~perki )... I have favorite pieces, most of which
escape me at the moment. I can most readily recall one of which I have
no idea what the title or who the artist is; it is a girl blowing
bubbles with a gargoyle becoming animated and chasing the bubbles (you
see this print a lot in poster stores). I am fascinated most by intense
realism in art. To see a portrait where the folds of a woman's gown are
so realistic that you want to touch them to make sure they are painted
is just amazing to me.
Literature: Clive Barker, Neil Gaiman, Maya Angelou... It isn't often
that I read a number of works by one writer. I enjoy all genres. Of
course Shakespeare is always fun. I just like a well-told story and
tend to levitate towards heavy characterization.
Filmmakers: Kenneth Branagh; he has brought me into whole new worlds of
understanding when it comes to Shakespeare (I would *love* to see him
and Emma Thompson collaborate again for a rendition of "The Taming of
the Shrew"), Terry Gilliam (absurd beauty and a kid-like vivaciousness),
Tim Burton (well, duh), Quentin Tarantino (just plain fun), Jim Jarmusch
(it's that heavy characterization thing again; he just has a beautiful
way of telling us about people), and any overtly Irish films (afterall,
the Irish are some of the best storytellers in the world).
Music Video directors: It is a vastly underdeveloped artform yet, but
there are some shining examples of what it could be. I have a special
weakness for Radiohead videos ("Just" is my favorite video. Period.) and
Marilyn Manson videos (I am mostly undecided about the music, but the
videos are just goddamn beautiful). The Afghan Whigs and Shudder to
Think have some great videos. And I've always thought Nirvana's
"Heart-Shaped Box" had a gorgeous look.
That's all I can think of for now... my brain is being taken hostage by
raspberry cider.
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"We're heading for social anarchy when people start pissing
on bookstores."
-Tom Waits, "The Fisher King"
NOO
jackson pollack my favorite artist. His paintings hypnotize me.
Musically, my favorites change all the time,tho Dead Can Dance are heard
over my speakers more often than not.
----mateo
Bradley W Zimmerman
> I don't know that I have a favorite artist. I think it's
> about the same difficulty level as finding a favorite author.
> I have several favorite paintings, though.
>
> One of them Boo gave in print form, though the artist
> _and_ title escape me, and they're not written on the print.
> Maybe he'll enlighten us? It's done in oranges and flaming
> colors and golds and warm browns, and it's of a woman asleep.
um..... ummm.... it's
either baroque or pre-raphaelite...
i... i can't think of it....
i think it was once referred to as
"Flaming June?"
fucking modernist arthistory..
it's sucked all the older stuff
out of my ear....
phooey....
> To be honest, another of my favorite artists is our
> own Raphrat. His art has incredible strength and his figures
> are amazing. He does a lot of his work in black and white,
> which are most appealing to me, and well, y'all should just
> visit his website (http://theratsnest.res.cmu.edu/) and
> look at his stuff.
SHITE!!!!
damn woman... why'd ya have to embarass me
like that? *blush*
i suck... really ... don't listen to her...
*blush X2*
> Will (TSM) does some incredible line
> drawings as well, and it appeals to the fantastic in me. I
> have one of his drawings up on my wall.... it's something
> that I'll always treasure. =)
>
> -eloquence-
HEY WILL! WHERE'S THAT GRAPHIC NOVEL YOU
WERE TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!??!
(always one to jump into a discussion which could
lead to keeping TSM on his ass w/ a sketchbook in
front of him...)
BTW, as Mr.T (SM) has failed to point out,
his website (The Sandcastle 2.0) is still
available online at my website...
GO TO IT NOW HEATHANS, AND ELLY'S TOO!!!
(http://www.inxpress.net/~squee/)
cabal?
social clique?
i have NO idea what you're talking about...
The Raphrat
http://theratsnest.res.cmu.edu
School of Art, Carnegie Mellon University
"I'm a Steelworker.... I kill what i eat"
-eloquence-
Bradley W Zimmerman <rap...@CMU.EDU> wrote:
> -eloqu...@inxpress.net
Yeah, I think that that's it! Now who's the artist?
<snipped stuff about how Boo rocks da arthouse>
> damn woman... why'd ya have to embarass me
> like that? *blush*
Because it humbles you, and really, you need more of that
to counter the ego that's getting NEARLY as big as Will's. His is
Africa, yours is... Australia (yes, you have a continent.)
> i suck... really ... don't listen to her...
WHATever. I got to see them BIG in RL. I want them all in
my apartment.
> cabal?
> social clique?
> i have NO idea what you're talking about...
Something along the lines of: fnord
-eloquence-
http://www.inxpress.net/~squee/ ICQ: 9038898
ally...@k-online.com
-eloquence- wrote in message ...
> I also very much love Albrect Durer, for reasons
>unknown. Possibly because his realism is so precise, or
>possibly because his self-portraits are of Jesus. He appeals
>to the well-ordered in me.
WOOHOO... me too... for reasons of he's a HOTT HONEY !!!
and his self portriat of christ was used in Bram Stokers Dracula... they
superimposed Gary Oldman's face over Durers and thats how they got the
'family portrait'...
i never READ or have any PROOF of this... i was watching the movie for the
umteenth time and was starring at the painting and scream, "DURER, ITS
ALBRECT DURER!"... and everyone thought i was a geek :P
it obvious its that painting though... hes doing the rosary thing with his
hand.
LordBiran
Music- The Cure, Siouxsie, The Smiths, New Order, Faith and the Muse, Dead Can
Dance, The Changelings, Specimen, Inkubus Sukkubus...Leo is getting me into
Project Picthfork and Emily just exposed me to This Mortal Coil.
Writer- Anything by Maya Angelou is amazing. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings
is a great one to start with.
Artist: Berthe Morisot (the only woman out of the 8 original impressionist
painters)
Other: The art of life
Brian
The winter of our discontent is here
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LordBiran@IRC #nycgothic on EFnet
LordBiran
The dahling NOO shared:
>jackson pollack my favorite artist. His paintings hypnotize me.
I always had a problem with getting into Pollack. I always found his paintings
to be unorganised and messy. I realize he knew where he was placing his color
with the squeeze bottles, and the colors mean something. I just can not see
it.
Just give me a fresco and I will be thrilled.
jal...@yahoo.com
In article <6dfkuc$mnm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
ally...@k-online.com wrote:
>
> jal...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > Illustrators: Olivia (does the best Bettie)
>
> but have you noticed (hehe cause i have an Olivia plaque pinned up right
> behind my computer :) that its not spelled "Bettie" (the correct way)... its
> spelled "Betty", i am guessing it is done this other way for trademark
> reasons. when they had that special about her on E! they didnt even mention
> Olivia... must be some kinda dispute, but i dont know ::shrugs::
> -Lily
I'm not sure, Olivia's been pretty open about painting from
photographs w/o the model's permission, and I don't think she's had much of a
problem with it. Plus Olivia's been drawing Bettie since at least the early
'80's, and Bettie Page didn't resurface until recently.
I've seen the "y" spelling alot, I wonder if it just means people
haven't been paying attention to Ms. Page's actual signature. Hmmm, now
you've got me curious....time to do some copywright research...
Jen Alyce
jal...@yahoo.com
Kali Nichta
-eloquence- wrote:
>
> Bradley W Zimmerman <rap...@CMU.EDU> wrote:
> > -eloqu...@inxpress.net
> > > colors and golds and warm browns, and it's of a woman asleep.
> > "Flaming June?"
>
> Yeah, I think that that's it! Now who's the artist?
Frederick Leighton. (Huzzah for the internet.)
Albatross
XloreleiX wrote:
> Do you happen to know if other titles are being re-translated as well,
I can ckeck this at work if you mail me Thursday morning.
I imagine it will be the sort of thing where we see a new piece every
year or two till the canon is complete. Even without justification that
Kafka presents, new translations are more or less inevitable. Its one of
the few things language and literature academics can do to justify their
continued existance to thier spouses and bedmates. It just so happens
that with K they are honestly needed.
> or if there _are_ any faithful existing English versions of his other work?
You're not asking an expert. What I've read would seem to indicate no.
But, people have been reading and enjoying the old translations for
decades.
BTW, I picked up the new Castle yesterday, and will start it as soon as
I'm through the latest Peter Hoeg, which is stunning...
A
BlackIce
€DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
€curious, what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
€whatever comes to your mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY.... i know
€thats one thing ALL goths, no matter which sect, hold dear to
€themselves... art.
Waah! Just one? It's a real toss-up between deChirico (the early stuff)
and Sandy Skoglund. De Chirico has that grim foreboding sort of feel,
combined with an odd air of glowing (only when you look at the real thing,
sadly, it doesn't show up in reproductions). Skoglund because her work is
just so...well, I don't have a word for it.
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Alain Cislaghi
On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:12:05 -0800, Albatross <tpa...@drizzle.com>
wrote:
> You might be interested in a new translation of the Castle, just
>released last week. Translations of Kafka have been notoriously bad (see
>Milan Kundera's Testaments Betrayed); this one attempts to recapture
>some of the oddities and musical qualities of K's prose. A great deal of
>Kafka's peculiar plainness is actually a product of bad translation.
I noticed (in the french translation that is) some coldness and
mechanical uniformity in the text, but it did not seemed bad to me...
Maybe it was the way it was done, or pure interpretation from me, but
i kinda liked the mood it created... As for the english version(s) i
dont know : never read one yet... Tho i might try someday :)
But that's a known fact that, in general, translations of german
writings are often bad :/
>In fact he was rather effusive, poetic and modern in style as well as
>content; in fact, stranger than we might previously have thought.
Well i remember one of his book i read (it was a french translation)
but i cant remember the tittle : the main caracter is leaving Germany
for the US and is going thru various jobs and encounters... Well, i
did found that modern style in it, aswell as particulary artistic if
not poetic images leaving, weirdly, prints in my minds like photos.
Like when you watch a photo that was took in 1800 something and that
you feel like if this scene and peoples could be *right now* in
1998...
In other words, i'd say that the translation of this book was
certainly good... In what measure? I could not say since i cant read
the original german version ;)
Thessalia
>DAMN IT... i felt it was my time to contribe a poll to ag... i'm
curious,
>what/who is your favorite artist... visual, musical...
whatever comes to your
>mind FIRST, tell us who and WHY.... i know
thats one thing ALL goths, no
>matter which sect, hold dear to
themselves... art.
I have a whole page on this... actually a couple of pages...
I don't have one given favorite, I have a mess of them, or
a favorite from each period.
Visual:
Painter - Botticelli - I like the way he paints people, and I like
his truly bizarre iconography
-Hieronymous Bosch - "Garden of Earthly Delights" - well,
just *look* at it!
Photographer - Joel-Peter Witkin - strange and imaginative while
being "classic" in style...
Weird/Modern/Multimedia - Jenny Holzer - you would have to see
some of her LED signs to appreciate this... the programs are
always thought-provoking and original
Musical:
Opera: Joan Sutherland, Maria Callas, June Anderson -
all have perfect technique and gorgeous voices.
Pop: oh my god, there are *too* many
Classical:
I tend to like specific performances of given works rather
than the work of one particular instrumentalist; or I tend
to like specific composers, and I like them for different
things.
If I'm singing it: Purcell, Handel (I'm a coloratura soprano, and
the particular weight of my voice is good for late 17th/early18th
century music)
If I'm listening to it: Mozart, Josquin des Pres, Samuel Barber,
Purcell, a couple of others. -- just a matter of personal taste.
and I have special fondness for some comic book art,
specifically Naoko Takeuchi's manga art, and general works
of Michael Zulli, Michael W. Kaluta, Charles Vess, Jon
J Muth, and Michael Allred, and a few others I can't think
of now. Each has a distinctive and beautiful style.
frogs and fishes from Thessaly
who won't even go into books cause she has SO MANY!
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Thessalia
In article <19980302205...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, liss...@aol.com
(Lissandre) writes:
>>Art! H.R.Gigers or something like that...
>Well, you are VERY close, it is
>H.R. Geiger...great artist!!!!
Actually... it's H.R. Giger... and it's pronounced
"zhee-zhay", not "guy-gur". He's Belgian and his
name is properly pronounced as if it were French.
:)
(umm, and you know, I could be wrong here...)
frogs and fishes from Thessaly
who also wrote and deleted a post about "Flaming June"
when she saw it had already been answered....
it is indeed by Frederick, Lord Leighton...
Heidi Evans
Thessalia wrote:
> Actually... it's H.R. Giger... and it's pronounced
> "zhee-zhay", not "guy-gur". He's Belgian and his
> name is properly pronounced as if it were French.
It's my understanding that he's Swiss. And his sidenotes on a lot of
things appear to be written in German...
ParaDox
In article <6desi0$5...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, S. N. Wetherbee
<revd...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>than desciptions of day to day), all of which the Pre-Raphelite's
I managed to catch the Womens Pre-Raphelite's exhibit in Manchester
(which i believe is still going) and i thought that Sandys, Siddal (1st
gen pre-raphealite) DeMorgan and Stokes (4th gen) were absolutly breath
taking. Especially Stokes' tapistry.
As for Artist my favorite would be: H.R.Giger (Dali and Escher close
behind)
Classical Music: I like Wagner (tho sometimes very drawn out)
Poets: I like Percy Bysse-Shelly quite a bit.
Band wise : Ministry,PWEI,TKK are fairly even.
David Gerard
Correct: German-speaking Swiss. (Ref: 'ARh+' by H.R. Giger.)
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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:13:53 +0000, Edward Scissorhands
<Edw...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
:Some time previously <3516af8a...@thingy.apana.org.au>, David
:Gerard <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> whispered darkly...
:>Correct: German-speaking Swiss. (Ref: 'ARh+' by H.R. Giger.)
:Tell me, David - and anyone else who read that book - have any of your
:friends physically hurled it away yelling that it is disgusting and
:pornographic.
No, because I don't hang around people like that. If they ever did, I would
sit them down and read the artist's text out to them until they Got It or
died.
:Just, my STBX (yes, I know - very soon, she keeps threatening to kill
:herself if I move out) picked up a copy I was given, got as far as the
:wall of peni (penises?) and threw it at me saying just the above...
Sit her down and read the artist's text to her until she Gets It.
It's severe education time!
If she keeps threatening to kill herself, get her committed as a danger to
herself.
ParaDox
In article <fsRBtTAx...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk>, Edward Scissorhands
<Edw...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk> writes
>Tell me, David - and anyone else who read that book - have any of your
>friends physically hurled it away yelling that it is disgusting and
>pornographic.
I think that perhaps it is necro-sexual, but i don't think it is
pornographic in any sense. H.R. has had a very long tormented past with
his women. The picture Li, is about his model girlfriend who commited
suicided. So in a lot of his art he depicts women as weapons. The Wall
of penises depicts the repetition of the sexual act in our unconsious
minds (I have many articles on his art, unfortunatly i don't have them
here in the UK)
suzy
In article <fsRBtTAx...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk>, Edward Scissorhands
<Edw...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk> writes
>Tell me, David - and anyone else who read that book - have any of your
>friends physically hurled it away yelling that it is disgusting and
>pornographic.
>
>herself if I move out) picked up a copy I was given, got as far as the
>wall of peni (penises?) and threw it at me saying just the above...
>
she was going to cough-up a fur-ball but said nothing ;)
--
suzy
Thessalia
In article <3516af8a...@thingy.apana.org.au>, f...@thingy.apana.org.au
(David Gerard) writes:
>:It's my understanding that he's Swiss. And his sidenotes on a lot of
>:things appear to be written in German...
>
>
>Correct: German-speaking Swiss. (Ref: 'ARh+' by H.R. Giger.)
>
>
You guys win, *only* because I don't have the book
in which I read this here (or in this state, in fact).
If I did, I would look it up, and probably end up saying,
"Oh, yeah. Swiss. OK." ;)
I'll take your word for it... my point was that it's
spelled "Giger" and not correctly pronounced as
"guyger"... I've seen several documentaries and
all the authorities seemed to be saying "zhee-zhay".
He's not my favorite artist, as you can prolly tell...
frogs and fishes from Thessaly
who likes Michael Whelan's covers for Joan D Vinge's
"The Snow Queen" and "The Summer Queen".
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