alt.gothic.fashion.faq 1.5 [part 2]

[Trystan L. Bass]

3.0 Make-Up:

3.1 What are some good make-up brands?

From: AngelsFall
I find that the MAC brand works very well if you want your
make-up to stay on all night and for the next three nights...
the mascara is lovely... it is very thick and never comes
off.... the eyeliner pencils are fun.... they also never come
off and look very nice.... they smudge very well.... they
also have a liquid eyeliner that you use like water colors
(painting them on with a paint bush) ...it looks ever too
nice....very nice lines can be done.... (they sell the
brushes there).

From: Miz Stewart
I've been using some of that Makeup Forever, and it is
fucking cool as all shit. I got some really nice black
lipstick and "multi-purpose" body paint -- it can be used as
fingernail polish (with a top coat of clear), eyeliner, lip
color, hair paint, the list goes on and on and on. I would
recommend it because it comes in every color of the rainbow,
and a few unnatural ones as well. They have some pretty
neat-o metallic stuff too. It is pretty spendy though, about
$15 for lipstick and $18 for body paint. According to the
saleslady, Nordstrom sells it "exclusively." They have a lot
of other stuff too, green and lavender foundation, funky fake
eyelashes, and many other fine wares.

From: Louise Fong
Clinique is good if you have sensitive skin or you don't
like scented cosmetics. The loose powder is good for getting
a very pale look and they also have something called Beyond
Shadow, which is a cream eyeshadow. It layers on much better
than regular pressed powder eyeshadow, and doesn't rub off
(req.'s an eye makeup remover).

From: Cairo
I like the water-based white face by Kryolan. It's
professional stuff and last time I bought it, it was $5.00.
Really easy to apply and since it's water-based, you can thin
it out and it's not likely to clog pores. Check local
theatrical supply shops for it. Oh, one more thing, you
should moisturize you skin before and after application.

From: Emeraldas
Shiseido makes a foundation that makes the skin actually
lighter (temporarily). It's called "whiteness" or something.
Also, Manic Panic makes a good white foundation *and* white
powder. They also make foundation that's blue, yellow,
violet, green, or pink toned, to counterbalance one's skin
tone. They even make white lipstick and eyeshadow!

From: Marla Brunker
There is a type of very light green make-up that is used as
an undercoat for "regular" foundation since a thin layer
tends to even out reddish spots (zits, broken capillaries,
etc.). It also makes one look subtly paler.

From: Trystan L. Bass
Many department store make-up brands are coming out with
varieties of these concealer/foundations. They're designed
to even out the undertones in your skin. Experienced make-up
salespeople will know what color you should get to go with
your skin tone. I know MAC has this stuff, and it looks
really good. Cheapskate that I am, I use Bonnie Bell White
White Concealer either alone or under palest ivory
foundation.

From: Mistress Cat
foundation: Estee Lauder's "Lucidity light-diffusing
makeup," color: porcelain, is the lightest normal
foundation I've found.

powder: L'Oreal's "Mattique," color: soft ivory, is
practically white, but just enough tan to be skin tone.

From: Rosaleen Dhu
I've had the best luck with Shiseido Natural Matte.
I can't remember the color code... just ask the person at
the counter for the lightest one (yes, it's in department
stores). It has the added benefits of being oil free and
SPF 8 sunscreen! Pair it with Shiseido Translucence Powder.

From: max factor
[for dark skin tones] use a foundation/powder only two
shades lighter than your own... goth is originality,
not conformity,(you don't need to be white). try max
factor makeup for a strikingly flawless finish. line
eyes in black (try doing cat eyes). use mascara or fake
lashes for a lush richness. trash the black lippy,
instead line lips with black eyeliner (kohl not liquid)
then apply a matte burgundy lipstick (try revlon's
colorstay) to heighten cheekbones use a bit of foundation
one or two shades darker than your natural under your
makeup.

3.2 What are some good eyeliners?

From: Blk0rchid
I would recommend Almay eyeliner. It has major staying
power (16 hours), and I find it to be less harsh on the
ol' contacts than many of the other brands.

From: brendan
i use pretty much the cheapest available black liquid
eyeliner, artmatic, i think it's called. it stays on no
matter how much you sweat while dancing, and it doesn't run
smeary around the eyes. to get it off you pretty much have to
use a cold cream or a q-tip with warm water on it though.

From: Heidi Evans
I use Maybelline Lineworks. It looks great, but occasionally
has to be run under a tap if it gets clogged with eyeshadow.
It also costs $4.50 a tube, which seems pricey to me...

From: Malkavian
My personal fave eyeliner so far is the L'Oreal Superliner.
The felt-pen-like brush is much easier to use than bristle
brushes, and the liner is one of the best i've seen.

3.3 What are some good lipsticks?

From: emyly
wet 'n wild -- i just discovered their halloween "fantasy
makers" line, with three shades of black lipstick (creme,
shimmer, pearl) and a black liquid lip color, blue lipstick,
glittery face & body paints...

From: Jillian Sutter
I went and got a tube of the Vamp lipstick. Great color,
stays on well...and Chanel uses rose oil in their lipsticks,
so they smell really neat.

From: Verotika
I always found that MAC Media, with some black liner works
wonderfully. Plus, unlike other lipsticks, the media stays
put for hours (seriously).

3.4 What are some good black nail polishes?

From: Estelle
I have this nail polish called "Midnight" by Estee Lauder.
It's really pricey.. I don't remember how much it cost
(probably blocked it out of my memory), but it gives this
lovely dark purple effect. It is a dark.. dark purple that
looks black from afar, and to really get that dried blood
affect you have to apply about two thick coats. If you got
the dough, and want a high quality nail polish.. then go get
some 'cause I *love* it and think it's worth every penny.

From: Walter Keighron
My absolute favorite black polish is a shade called Black on
Black, manufactured by Mirage cosmetics under the brand name
Sinful. Also, even Wet n' Wild stays on a good long time
without chipping if you make sure nails are clean, buffed if
you have the time, and you apply a good base coat (as well as
top coat). Any old Revlon or Sally Hansen base works quite
well. It's really not as much work as it sounds. The polish
lasts ten times longer at least.

From: Sande
If you're in L.A. area, try NINA and look fer it in Whittier.
If you're in Boston, try Topstone Industries Professional
BLACK nail polish and look for it at Oona's (Newbury St.,
Hahvahd Sq.) $3.

From: melissa
I went out to get some Revlon Vixen polish, which is such
a lovely blood-red. I also spotted some cheapo-but-good
Brucchi polish in Silver Foil. Try this:

Put on a few coats of the Vixen (or other suitably bloody
shade). Then add a VERY thin coat of Silver Foil (or other
silver polish), leaving some of the red edges showing through.
You will look like you used your stainless steel nails to
eviscerate something and didn't clean up well enough. As
the silver wears down, the look gets more gruesome.

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4.0 Other Resources:

4.1 What other gothic fashion resources exist
on the Internet?

alt.gothic FAQ -- basic goth info., plus some fashion stuff
ftp.maths.tcd.ie/pub/music/gothic/gothic-faq
http://www.dnx.com/vamp/Gothic/Text/gothic-faq.html

alt.sex.fetish.fashion FAQ -- extensive suppliers lists
(England, Europe & Far East, North America) including
resources for leather, bondage, PVC, corsets, shoes, toys
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/
alt-sex/fetish-fashion/top.html

Dark Side of the Web -- probably all the gothic web links
you'll ever need, hundreds of 'em, updated frequently
http://www.cascade.net/darkweb.html

Dye It Black FAQ -- pretty good instructions for dying
your clothes black, plus dye resources and books
http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/~bob/goth/dye.faq.html

Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild Home Page --
has a good list of historical clothing and costume links
http://www.hooked.net/users/fishcat/costume.html

Make-up Tips for the Bleak -- clever suggestions on how to
look oh-so-gothically pale and lovely
http://www.dnx.com/vamp/Gothic/Text/makeup.html

Take a Bite -- gothic e-zine with lots of fashion tips,
both silly and serious
ftp.maths.tcd.ie/pub/music/gothic/TAB
http://www.crg.cs.nott.ac.uk/~rji/Gothic/TAB/tab.html

Vampyre Stores -- a small, yet international, listing of
gothic clothing and vampire oriented stores
http://www.vampyre.wis.net//vampyre/shops.html

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5.0 Credits & Disclaimer

CREDITS:
Any entry not followed by a name in brackets or preceded by
a name was written by Trystan L. Bass <tr...@toreadors.com>.

The following people contributed information to this FAQ,
either directly or by posting to alt.gothic.fashion and
alt.gothic. I did not get express permission from all of
these people to reprint their words. If anyone wishes to
be deleted, please contact me and you will be deleted in
the next revision. Usually *several months* pass between
revisions, so be patient.

Contributors:
AngelsFall
blk0rchid
brendan
Cairo
Carole Backler
Dark Dragon
dogcow
Emeraldas
emyly
Erhnam Djinn
Estelle
falon
feline
dejavu
Gnat Hammerstrom
Hardrock
Heidi Evans
Jen Fausti
Jillian Sutter
katydid
kirsten
Lana Michelle
Lorelle Anderson
Louise Fong
luna
M. Giordan
malk
malkavian
Margaret Rhodes
Marla Brunker
Michael Saint
Mistress Cat
Miz Stewart
nbrao
Niniane
Otterley
PirateTwin
platypus
Rosaleen Dhu
Sande
Scary Gary
Sunshyn
Thom
Verotika
viper1
Vips
walter keighron
Waz from Oz
Wozzeck
Wraatha

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DISCLAIMER:

I disclaim absolutely everything. The contents of this
article might be totally inaccurate, inappropriate,
misguided, or just plain silly and foolish. I take no
responsibility for the veracity of any information here,
although I did try to check stuff out first. As always,
buyer beware, look before you leap, etc. And remember,
folks, this is a work in progress!

--Trystan L. Bass <tr...@toreadors.com>

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6.0 alt.gothic.fashion advertising guidelines

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these guidelines were worked out mainly by Sande and siani
over a series of articles on alt.gothic.fashion and
alt.gothic.

------------------A.G.F. AD guidelines------------------

1. advertisements should be labeled by subject headers
starting with "AD" (in capitals).

2. ads should be kept short and to the point.

3. FASHION ads should be posted _only_ to a.g.f.,
not to the newsgroup "alt.gothic".

4. ads should be posted only once every three months.

these are only guidelines, to be mailed to anyone who posts
an ad. if you have any objections, please e mail siani
(bw...@freenet.carleton.ca) or Sande (slc...@mekab.usc.edu)
or complain to the newsgroup. we will take any
considerations into account and possibly revise the
guidelines.

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