Goths have bad Karma!!!
Lucas J. Riesau
a very good choice, I think you should give up that
way of life and become a good buddhist.
Start meditation now, maybe you'll reach Nirvana,
but if you don't, your bad Karma will make your
next life a living hell!
vacant...@gmail.com
> You Goths are full of bad Karma and being a Goth isn't
> a very good choice, I think you should give up that
> way of life and become a good buddhist.
Why not Hindu? They believe in karma as well...?
But getting to your main point, I'm not sure if you have a radically
flawed view of Karma or Goth or both... And given karma for buddhists
can still be considered bad if the idea/action stems from ignorance,
you might want to do a lot more study before you committ to action
again. Ignorance is no excuse before the buddha.
You may have just accumulated more bad karma Lucas...
Macross Actual
> You Goths are full of bad Karma
no no no... don't you read the memos?
We're full of guns and/or keys!
huey.c...@gmail.com
> You Goths are full of bad Karma and being a Goth isn't
> a very good choice, I think you should give up that
> way of life and become a good buddhist.
My karma broke down. Now I have truckma.
--
Huey
Dark Phoenix
"Lucas J. Riesau" <ion_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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As if this life isn't one?
I've been told I was full of shit before, but never full of bad karma.
And BTW, goth is not a religion or a set of ethics for living ones life; a
goth can be a Buddhist, or a Christian, or a Pagan or an athiest or believe
in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
--
Laurie Brown, Dark Phoenix
dark_p...@netw.com
"To destroy the Western tradition of independent thought, it is not
necessary to burn books. All we have to do is leave them unread for a couple
of generations."
--Robert Maynard Hutchens.
Olympiada
Olympiada
Olympiada
It is interesting that this person would even draw a parallel between
Buddhism and Goth. They seem radically opposed, although one could
practice both.
Olympiada
Olympiada
> "Lucas J. Riesau" <ion_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1179317911....@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> You Goths are full of bad Karma and being a Goth isn't
>> a very good choice, I think you should give up that
>> way of life and become a good buddhist.
>>
>> Start meditation now, maybe you'll reach Nirvana,
>> but if you don't, your bad Karma will make your
>> next life a living hell!
>
> As if this life isn't one?
>
> I've been told I was full of shit before, but never full of bad karma.
>
> And BTW, goth is not a religion or a set of ethics for living ones life; a
> goth can be a Buddhist, or a Christian, or a Pagan or an athiest or believe
> in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
>
>
what they are talking about. Buddhists can hang out in Goth circles and
Goths can hang out in Buddhist circles. No opposition there.
Olympiada
vacant...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Lucas J. Riesau wrote:
> > You Goths are full of bad Karma
Well then... we are fully prepared to do what a good Buddhist should
do if they meet the Buddha on the road...
foxe...@gmail.com
> My karma broke down. Now I have truckma.
>
truckma, I just hope your's a hybrid...
vacant...@gmail.com
wrote:
> It is interesting that this person would even draw a parallel between
> Buddhism and Goth. They seem radically opposed, although one could
> practice both.
I believe the original poster was suggesting they were radically
opposed, and that we should give up Goth to become Buddhist. You and
others have already pointed out that Goth is not a religion, so one
could theoretically be both. Practically, could one be both?
Are they radically opposed? I would say they are more in harmony than
our mainstream culture is in harmony with Buddhism in that Goths tend
to be more accepting of all of the qualities of life (love, pain,
death, life) and recognize that the value given to many things is a
matter of perspective and what you have been taught. In someways,
they have already gone through the initial stages that Siddhartha went
through. Indeed, one prime quality of being a goth is to question the
term in of itself and doubt how applicable it is to you.
However, Buddhist do emphasize that fixation and want lead to
suffering... and goths definately get fixated and allow themselves to
be absorbed by powerful desires... But that is more of a personal
choice than a requirement to be part of the scene.
But don't mistake me for a Buddhist or even an expert. Fun story... I
was at a club recently and someone came up and asked me what something
meant... I said "It is Buddhist." They backed off laughing and waving
their hands and said "Whoa, don't want to talk about religion!"
I was amused. I had already run out of things to say on the topic
with those 3 words.
Are there evangelical Buddhists? Every Buddhist I've ever met is
happy to answer questions, but really is not terribly interested in
saving you.
Which is fine by me. I'm not terribly interested in being saved.
emz...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Buddhism itself. It is interesting that this person would even > draw a parallel between Buddhism and Goth. They seem
> radically opposed, although one could practice both.
Idle curiosity, given that the initial post was nothing but a random
troll, but why do you posit that Buddhism and goth seem radically
opposed? A spiritual path and a subcultural asthetic don't really
seem that interrelated, but perhaps that's just my experience.
Olympiada
that they are more in harmony than mainstream culture is with either.
Good point. And Herman Hesse, who wrote about Siddhartha, was a German,
and gothic culture has roots in Germanic culture. So there is definitely
a connection, and a strong one.
Buddhism is not about being saved. That's a Christian concept, as is
evangelism. In my opinion there are not Buddhist evangelists, the two
concepts don't work together. Of course our resident Buddhist expert
will probably tell me I am wrong and my experiences and perspectives do
not count and are invalid, which by the way, is not a Buddhist teaching.
In Buddhism, everyone and everything counts and matters. Sentient life
is of utmost value.
I was first taught about Buddhism by my first German teacher in high
school who gave me a book on Buddhism and Ecology as a present. He set
me off on my Buddhist path, and I am forever indebted to him for this.
Let us also not forget that the Green party came out of Germany as well,
which is the utmost respective political party of sentient life on earth.
At this point I do have to admit I kind of am a religion nut. I love
anything having to do with religion and always have and today I can
admit it. Hooray. That being said, the atheist spirit, as I perceive it,
of the gothic culture bothers me. Immensely. Why is Gothic culture so
atheistic? Thoughts?
Olympiada
Olympiada
take back my initial assertion after discussing it further. I find the
Buddhists are far more accepting than the Goths though and for that they
are in conflict. I still maintain the Goths are elitists, admittedly so,
while Buddhism is opposed to elitism on principle. And again, those are
only my observations on Buddhism based on a half life's study and
practice of it.
Olympiada
H Duffy
<huey.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Did your karma break down as a result of hitting someone else's dogma?
H
Macross Actual
coz she's a complete whack-job, why else?
Olympiada
Olympiada
Axel
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So what can we learn from this?
Punctuation should always come in triplets...
And preferably be an exclamation mark!!!
In other news, Siobhan and I are starting our trek to Portland in 30
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Road Trip!!!
Ra Ra Ra!!!
This means we won't be paying much attention to Use-net & C13 related
hilarity for the next week.
See some of you there.
Be well.
Jennie Kermode
> You Goths are full of bad Karma and being a Goth isn't
> a very good choice, I think you should give up that
> way of life and become a good buddhist.
Some of the goths here _are_ Buddhists, petal.
It's a cute troll, though. 'being a Goth isn't a very good
choice'. What are they teaching them under bridges these days?
Jennie
--
Jennie Kermode jen...@innocent.com
http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
Olympiada
> On 2007-05-16, Lucas J. Riesau <ion_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> You Goths are full of bad Karma and being a Goth isn't
>> a very good choice, I think you should give up that
>> way of life and become a good buddhist.
>
> Some of the goths here _are_ Buddhists, petal.
> It's a cute troll, though. 'being a Goth isn't a very good
> choice'. What are they teaching them under bridges these days?
>
> Jennie
>
interesting book or essay or even poem: The Buddhist Goth. Perhaps
someone else could develop that idea? I am flat, I need some leaven if I
am going to do it. Any ideas?
Olympiada
coyote
> <huey.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> My karma broke down. Now I have truckma.
>
> Did your karma break down as a result of hitting someone else's dogma?
*GROAN*
--
~coyote
Xandraius
*plonk*
-=X=-
The Exiled, V.2.0
<ion_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
*blink* Muahahahahahaha.
You do know the Buddha's true meaning, don't you?
To achieve Nirvana, one must acquire an understanding of all things
and one's place within it.
Needless to say, this involves opening up your mind the the vast
awfulness that is the universe and realizing your complete
insignifcance in the face of all-encompassing Infinity.
Mappo is coming. Buddha will not save you.
Regards,
The Exiled, V.2.0
---
Oderint dum metuat.
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AIM: BlackIronCrown
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whisky-dave
"Lucas J. Riesau" <ion_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Start meditation now, maybe you'll reach Nirvana,
> but if you don't, your bad Karma will make your
> next life a living hell!
Why didn't you tell me that in my previous life ?
Jennie Kermode
> Google says this boy wrote:
> Watch out for CANNIBALS in national parks!!! IN rec.outdoors.national-
> parks 35 hours ago
> ago
I love these two. :) I want to buy this troll a beer.
vacant...@gmail.com
>> Google says this boy wrote:
> Bisexual cannibal looking for male meat!!!
LMAO... good find Axel.
Lucas should have trolled in here with that one. It would have at
least been funny.
Or
Buddhist Cannibal looking for Buddha to meet on the road.
Because if you meet the Buddha on the road, you are supposed to kill
him. (no, really).
Endymion
> Idle curiosity, given that the initial post was nothing but a random
> troll, but why do you posit that Buddhism and goth seem radically
> opposed? A spiritual path and a subcultural asthetic don't really
> seem that interrelated, but perhaps that's just my experience.
I wouldn't say radically opposed, but divergent to the point of
incompatibility, perhaps.
Aren't the things goth celebrates - sex, drugs, and hedonism in
general, fashion, image, physical beauty, going to extremes in
everything - many of the things Buddhism says cause suffering and come
between a person and enlightenment?
- Endymion
vacant...@gmail.com
In general, fixation comes between a person and enlightment. Your
task is to let go. So to fixate on getting sex, having sex, getting
clothes, looking beautiful, et cetera would all come between you and
enlightenment.
Things like drugs are especially problematic, as they cloud the eye.
But there are straight edge goths, and not all goths are obsessed with
shagging and primping. So it is possible, albeit not probable. Then
again, I don't think it is any less probable than a person from the
mainstream culture. In general, western culture is not very
hospitable to Buddhism.
For reference, I'm a Vipassana type of guy, but I don't believe in
obeying the strictures against certain kinds of sexual acts or
intoxication. I actually mediate on my mental state when I'm
fixating... kind of paradoxical, but how zen is that?
And I'm not Buddhist ;-D I just enjoy the mental exercises because of
the different perspective they give you...
And the techniques have brought my heartbeat down to below 50 bpm...
Olympiada
the mark about that one either. I was thinking about you (the group) all
day in Church today, about the sub-culture... I looked at the
Convergence photographs last night and the photographs from Chicago and
Detroit. Looks just like my high school crowd from San Francisco. What a
culture to convert from.
There is a movement in the Church called Death to the World that is most
definitely goth, punks to monks.
Olympiada
Olympiada
I told you goths were obsessed with shagging. I was Buddhist when I was
goth to be honest, that's what I told you. My early art work was a
mixture of Tibetan Buddhist inspired imagery and surrealism and
mythology, a conglomeration, a synthesis, synergy, and syncretic visual
language.
Can you explain what you mean by being a Vispassana kind of guy? I do
believe in obeying the strictures against sex outside of marriage in my
religion. I also choose a life of sobriety now. But I do meditate on my
mental state when I am fixated too. Fixation is a scary thing.
I am definitely still very Zen, it shows up in my photography and my
thinking...
Olympiada
vacant...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Very good post, I was not sure of your gender. I like this topic very much.
I'm packin' penis, for whatever that is worth. I am spoken for, as
they say...
> I told you goths were obsessed with shagging.
Watch TV. People are obsessed with shagging. Some are obsessed with
denouncing it, while others are obsessed with quantity, quality, and/
or variety. Rarely is one not fixated on it. Goths also exist in at
least 3 dimensions, but I'm not sure that is unique or tells us
much...
>I was Buddhist when I was goth to be honest
I admit to some curiousity why someone who says they were goth would
bother to post on a newsgroup that frankly doesn't get much traffic
anymore. Although hey... if you didn't post here the traffic would
probably decrease by 70%, and most of us wouldn't interact at all.
> Can you explain what you mean by being a Vispassana kind of guy?
I dp a structured meditation focused on the acceptance of my thoughts,
not matter how trivial or otherwise disturbing they might be... I am
not Buddhist, and disregard the other rules based on 2500 to 4000
years of experience by millions of others (depending on how far back
you want to track it).
Probably a pretty stupid thing to do.
> I do believe in obeying the strictures against sex outside of marriage in my religion.
I believe in not violating the vows I made to my wife. God or the
Buddha will have to find someone else to stroke their ego, if they
really care.
> I also choose a life of sobriety now. But I do meditate on my
> mental state when I am fixated too. Fixation is a scary thing.
It is. I would never recommend my life or my mind to another. I like
it though.
> I am definitely still very Zen, it shows up in my photography and my thinking...
We keep using that word, but I am not sure it means what we think it
means.
Olympiada
> On May 17, 4:22 pm, Olympiada <amkemail2006-google-at-yahoo-dot-com>
> wrote:
>> Very good post, I was not sure of your gender. I like this topic very much.
>
> I'm packin' penis, for whatever that is worth. I am spoken for, as
> they say...
>
>> I told you goths were obsessed with shagging.
>
> Watch TV. People are obsessed with shagging. Some are obsessed with
> denouncing it, while others are obsessed with quantity, quality, and/
> or variety. Rarely is one not fixated on it. Goths also exist in at
> least 3 dimensions, but I'm not sure that is unique or tells us
> much...
>
>> I was Buddhist when I was goth to be honest
>
> I admit to some curiousity why someone who says they were goth would
> bother to post on a newsgroup that frankly doesn't get much traffic
> anymore. Although hey... if you didn't post here the traffic would
> probably decrease by 70%, and most of us wouldn't interact at all.
>
>> Can you explain what you mean by being a Vispassana kind of guy?
>
> I dp a structured meditation focused on the acceptance of my thoughts,
> not matter how trivial or otherwise disturbing they might be... I am
> not Buddhist, and disregard the other rules based on 2500 to 4000
> years of experience by millions of others (depending on how far back
> you want to track it).
>
> Probably a pretty stupid thing to do.
>
>> I do believe in obeying the strictures against sex outside of marriage in my religion.
>
> I believe in not violating the vows I made to my wife. God or the
> Buddha will have to find someone else to stroke their ego, if they
> really care.
>
years of marital bliss.
>> I also choose a life of sobriety now. But I do meditate on my
>> mental state when I am fixated too. Fixation is a scary thing.
>
> It is. I would never recommend my life or my mind to another. I like
> it though.
>
>> I am definitely still very Zen, it shows up in my photography and my thinking...
>
> We keep using that word, but I am not sure it means what we think it
> means.
>
exactly what it means. I know serious Zen Buddhists, people who lived in
the Zen Center on Page Street or are associated with Green Gulch Farms.
Olympiada
Oct'avian (Tyger)
> In general, fixation comes between a person and enlightment. Your
> task is to let go. So to fixate on getting sex, having sex, getting
> clothes, looking beautiful, et cetera would all come between you and
> enlightenment.
This of course entails that the problem lies in the fixation and not
the thing itself. If one is able to attain what you are after, then
it is the question of possessing, and if it is not the sustination of
the possessing and rather the transiential experiance that comes and
goes rather than the maintaining of the item that is the question,
what is truly to be gained.
i.e. who is happier, the one who is always in search of (a
relationship) and never is happy that they don't last, or the one who
is not in search of (a relationship) but when has one and it is gone,
is happy that it happened at all?
~Oct'avian
(? = 2b ? !b)
Olympiada
Olympiada
vacant...@gmail.com
<octav...@silvermoondesigns.org> wrote:
> i.e. who is happier, the one who is always in search of (a
> relationship) and never is happy that they don't last, or the one who
> is not in search of (a relationship) but when has one and it is gone,
> is happy that it happened at all?
Very well put... I agree. One can achieve the goth ideal of beauty
and sex without it being a fixation, and appreciate when these thing
flow as well as when they ebb.
As for other comments -
Marital bliss sounds like hell, but I have no desire to reach nirvana
of any kind. I'd rather God give his/her blessings to people in
greater need.
The idea of knowing exactly what is Zen is almost a koan in of
itself... Ironic Japan is so Buddhists when they are as/more
materialistic than the US.
M. Shirley Chong
> I wouldn't say radically opposed, but divergent to the point of
> incompatibility, perhaps.
Mmmmmmm, I'd say it's more unlikely rather than outright incompatible.
> Aren't the things goth celebrates - sex, drugs, and hedonism in
> general, fashion, image, physical beauty, going to extremes in
> everything - many of the things Buddhism says cause suffering and come
> between a person and enlightenment?
Depends on how the indivdual feels about those things. Keep in mind
that there's bunches of different Buddhist sects, just as there are
bunches of Christian sects.
In the tradition I was brought up in, hedonism, fashion, image and
physical beauty would be acceptable to enjoy but not to the point of
being obsessed with them (I don't think my parents thought about sex
and drugs in relation to their offspring; back then, most families
in our area didn't talk to children about either issue until the
children were 16+ years old). Even going to extremes could be
acceptable depending on how it is done.
In my tradition of Buddhist thought, it is desire to the point of
obsession to causes suffering. So, for instance, physical beauty is
a good thing because it's a pleasure to behold. It would become a
dangerous thing for an indiviudual if that person began thinking
they could not live without it or if they started doing unethical
things in order to obtain or control it.
Shirley
John Carr
> You Goths are full of bad Karma and being a Goth isn't
As previously discussed, we are full of WIN and TOUGH.
We have also won all of the interwebs.
With all that, we're not doing too badly. You can keep your karma.
Rat Bastard
> We have also won all of the interwebs.
>
> With all that, we're not doing too badly. You can keep your karma.
Karma is of no consequence when one has the power of Nice Boots(tm)
Rat Bastard (why the fuck was this crossposted to alt.swordfighting?)
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`una
> Rat Bastard (why the fuck was this crossposted to alt.swordfighting?)
Something about waving swords and dick fights...
`una - that joke was on the tip of my tongue
Xandraius
Should you be mentioning dick fights and the tip of your tongue in the
same post? :P
-=Xandraius=-
`una
Absolutely! How else am I going to put ideas into people's heads?
`una - probably shouldn't be begging for trouble ;)
whisky-dave
"`una" <u...@nettrip.org> wrote in message
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> Xandraius wrote:
>
>> `una wrote:
>> > Rat Bastard wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rat Bastard (why the fuck was this crossposted to alt.swordfighting?)
>> >
>> > Something about waving swords and dick fights...
>> >
>> > `una - that joke was on the tip of my tongue
>>
>> Should you be mentioning dick fights and the tip of your tongue in the
>> same post? :P
>
> Absolutely! How else am I going to put ideas into people's heads?
Or indeed recieving something from their head,
> `una - probably shouldn't be begging for trouble ;)
Oh it was trouble you were begging for ;-)
Troia
Idunno, the guys I seem to end up with all -like- that.
-- Troia
Xandraius
Yeah, you just said a mouthful...
-=Xandraius=-
John Carr
>> We have also won all of the interwebs.
>> With all that, we're not doing too badly. You can keep your karma.
> Karma is of no consequence when one has the power of Nice Boots(tm)
Exactly. The whole concept of "what goes around comes around" is out the
window when you have Nice Boots(Tm).
Then, it's just coming.