Uncivil Tongues: Looking Like a Pr**k
Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr
Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
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Individuation
> Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
excuse me
mom
but if I choose to swear
I will
this might be a nice little moral lesson for the kiddies...
but if the adults would like to swear...
we will.
Eileen
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Scott
>
>> Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
>> not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
>> they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
>
>excuse me
>mom
>but if I choose to swear
>I will
>this might be a nice little moral lesson for the kiddies...
>but if the adults would like to swear...
>we will.
>
It may just be a regional thing, but of the adults I know, if
they stopped swearing they'd lose half their vocabulary.
ciao,
Scott
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Individuation
> It may just be a regional thing, but of the adults I know, if
> they stopped swearing they'd lose half their vocabulary.
>
> ciao,
> Scott
*laugh*
that's sad
that's true
but sad
Scott
On 18 Sep 1997 05:28:17 GMT, edv...@aol.com (Edvamp) wrote:
>> It may just be a regional thing, but of the adults I know, if
>>they stopped swearing they'd lose half their vocabulary.
>>
> Brooklyn?
>
>
>Ever and Always
>Edvamp
>
Minnesota, upper-midwest white trash headquarters. My neighbor
refuses to wear socks even in winter, but will wear the same harley
muscle shirt and black sweatpants every day. Did I mention he's about
280lbs. and hasn't take a shower since 1972?
Anne
Individuation wrote:
>
> > Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> > not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> > they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
>
> excuse me
> mom
> but if I choose to swear
> I will
> this might be a nice little moral lesson for the kiddies...
> but if the adults would like to swear...
> we will.
>
I fucking whole heartedly agree!
This is my venting zone dammit...i will vent how I want to....
Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah....
Love,
Anne
Edvamp
> Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
>not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
>they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
Ah yes, this coming from the person who posted this to me:
> No his body is dead but I sleep with it every night. You can too.
> After you put your dick in your sister's mouth.
How's that hypocrisy tasting?
Ever and Always
Edvamp
Edvamp
Individuation
> Minnesota, upper-midwest white trash headquarters. My neighbor
> refuses to wear socks even in winter, but will wear the same harley
> muscle shirt and black sweatpants every day. Did I mention he's about
> 280lbs. and hasn't take a shower since 1972?
*rarrrrrr*
that's my kinda MAN!
*snicker*
Eileen (icky icky icky)
amethyst
> Individuation <orz...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
> > It may just be a regional thing, but of the adults I know, if
> > they stopped swearing they'd lose half their vocabulary.
> >
> > Scott
>
> *laugh*
> that's sad
> that's true
> but sad
> Eileen
>
"Check out the babe, fuck"
"What's up with that, fuck"
amethyst
********
Scott
Jocks really aren't people, they're what's left over from early
genetic experiments involving lesser primates.
Wendy Wanders, Subject 117
In article <34218674...@news.primenet.com>, Sa...@GoAwaySpamWhores.dynanet.com (Scott) writes:
>>If the jocks I knew stopped swearing they'd lose half their punctuation.
>>
>>"Check out the babe, fuck"
>>"What's up with that, fuck"
>>
> Jocks really aren't people, they're what's left over from early
> genetic experiments involving lesser primates.
unpleasant labels on me without knowing me.
Sing along! "The more things change, the mroe they stay the same, the more
things change-"
losthalo, curmudgeon
Tim McGaughy
Individuation (orz...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: > Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
: > not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
: > they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
: excuse me
: mom
: but if I choose to swear
: I will
: this might be a nice little moral lesson for the kiddies...
: but if the adults would like to swear...
: we will.
Call me childish, but....
In reading the posts for the day in this newsgroup, I found that this post
was numbered 69.
I find that amusing.
Call me Beavis. I don't care.
Overlord of Darkness
Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
: Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
: not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
: they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
Normally, I would not even bother to answer this, as I suspect that
you are a troll of some sort.. however, I'm going to give you the benefit
of the doubt (for now), and treat you as at least a semi-intelligent being
(for now)..
Language is a method of communicating thoughts to another. Correct?
Most (if not all) So-called-obscene words have plenty of "non-obscene"
synonyms, but all of these synonyms, obscene or no, convey the same
concept.
My point is that words themselves are meaningless. It is the intention
behind them that gives them any degree of obscenity. Therefore, you should
let others communicate with whatever word-choice they want to, as one
can offend just as easily with 'non-obscene' words, since no word, by
itself, is truly obscene. They are all tools, which can be used for
purposes of communication.
In conclusion:
Your plea to 'clean things up' is pretty fucking lame.
Rat Bastard (who thinks he just over-analyzed something again :) )
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Monarch!
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Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr
In article <19970918044...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
edv...@aol.com (Edvamp) wrote:
>
> > Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> >not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> >they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
>
>
> > No his body is dead but I sleep with it every night. You can too.
> > After you put your dick in your sister's mouth.
>
>>> busy to bother with this newsgroup. My point, my boy, is that the
>>> grotesque, which YOU claim is "inherently interesting", is disgusting
>>> and that is why as a society we have a TABOO against certain things:
>>> like ripping your liver out and eating it for breakfast. I am sick of all
>>> this crap so why not get a life and leave this horseshit about "Gothic"
>>> behind. Profanity, Incest, Darkness, Role and Gender Confusion: burn it all.
>>> Do we really need vampires? Do we really need monsters? Let's have Disney!
>>> Now who's the Doctor, Mr. Vamp?
> How's that hypocrisy tasting?
>
> Ever and Always
> Edvamp
>> Perhaps you have a better definiton of the grotesque?
Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr
In article <5vt3f8$13...@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu>,
evan...@wfu.edu (Overlord of Darkness) wrote:
>
>
> Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
> : Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> : not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> : they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
>
> you are a troll of some sort.. however, I'm going to give you the benefit
> of the doubt (for now), and treat you as at least a semi-intelligent being
> (for now)..
>
> Language is a method of communicating thoughts to another. Correct?
> Most (if not all) So-called-obscene words have plenty of "non-obscene"
> synonyms, but all of these synonyms, obscene or no, convey the same
> concept.
>
>>>> communication. I don't really agree that that is the best characterization
>>>> of language or better writing. Writing operates on its own terms i
>>>> independently of authors. Example: I didn't write what you just read.
>
>>
> My point is that words themselves are meaningless. It is the intention
> behind them that gives them any degree of obscenity. Therefore, you should
> let others communicate with whatever word-choice they want to, as one
> can offend just as easily with 'non-obscene' words, since no word, by
> itself, is truly obscene. They are all tools, which can be used for
> purposes of communication.
>
>>>> exist only in rather shady contexts: nigger, asshole, motherfucker.
>>>> These words really ought to be zoned out. Just as the intentions that
>>>> operate behind them should be. Tools are dangerous. Stand in front
>>>> of a moving car if you don't believe me. Or witness an industrial accident.
>
>
>
> My plea to clean things up is neither lame nor fucking. I only Plea
>> when my dominatrix asks me to.
> -the author who you don't know.
>
> In conclusion:
> Your plea to 'clean things up' is pretty fucking lame.
>
> Rat Bastard (who thinks he just over-analyzed something again :) )
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Kirt Andrew Dankmyer
Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
> Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
Oh, and if I keep swearing, will you spank me as well?
-Fenris *flutters eyelids*
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.97091...@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
orz...@students.uiuc.edu "Individuation" writes:
> this might be a nice little moral lesson for the kiddies...
> but if the adults would like to swear...
> we will.
I think Johnny Rotten said it best when he said: "Fuck this and fuck that,
fuck it all and fuck her fucking brat"
- Aidan
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Tim McGaughy
Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
: Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
: not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
: they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
Fuck off, asshole.
Edvamp
> Ah yes, this coming from the person who posted this to me:
>
> > No his body is dead but I sleep with it every night. You can too.
> > After you put your dick in your sister's mouth.
>
>>> Well Ed I do hope you make it to medical school soon.
I've already addressed this mistake in another post.
Then you'll be too
>>> busy to bother with this newsgroup.
Uh huh, you come in here and insult us and then expect me to leave?
My point, my boy, is that the
>>> grotesque, which YOU claim is "inherently interesting", is disgusting
Then why is surrealism so popular? Why are horror movies and horror
fiction in general popular, when they are merely popularizations of the
grotesque?
>>> and that is why as a society we have a TABOO against certain things:
Ah, the old societal norms approach. You mean like the taboos
against homosexuality? Or the taboos against racial mixing? Or the taboos
against women voting and having jobs? Taboos are opinions. They change.
>>> like ripping your liver out and eating it for breakfast.
Yet it is acceptable to rip and eat the liver of an animal. If you
think about it in your terms, eating is grotesque.
I am sick of all
>>> this crap
I saw no one twisting your arm and forcing you to come in here. If
you don't like who we are and what we like, you don't have to. The world
is a more interesting place when people have different opinions. However,
it is a much less fun place when those differing opinions cause people to
make judgements about each other.
so why not get a life
Ah, another standby 'Get a life'. I guess the fact that I did get a
psych degree, work in the field as a counselor, and have done a few other
things that might be considered interesting means nothing? In another post
you say you felt sorry for my patients (the actual term is clients). Why?
Just because I have interests and opinions that you don't approve of means
I am incapable of rendering help to the mentally ill?
and leave this horseshit about "Gothic"
>>> behind.
Well thank you so much for trying to improve the quality of my life,
but I will kindly ask you to butt the hell out. I am quite happy with many
of the choices on how I lead my life and I'm certainly not going to change
now just because you say I should.
Profanity, Incest, Darkness, Role and Gender Confusion: burn it all.
Yes, and while we are at it let us burn debate, discussion,
differences, opinions, dissent, and anything else that doesn't fit into
your narrow definition of the world.
>>> Do we really need vampires? Do we really need monsters?
Yes, I think we do. Makes life more interesting. If I had more time
and the texts in front of me I would explain the theory behind society's
need for myths and legends and heroes.
Let's have Disney!
Oh yeah, that's healthy for our culture.
>>> Now who's the Doctor, Mr. Vamp?
Not me, and I'm praying not you either.
>> Perhaps you have a better definiton of the grotesque?
Actually...
Grotesque 1. odd or unnatural in shape, appearance, or character;
fantastically ugly or absurd; bizarre. 2. fantastic in the shaping and
combination of forms, as in decorative work combining incongruous human and
animal figures with scrolls, foliage, etc.
Sounds intesting to me. Where in there does it say inherently wrong
or taboo?
Ever and Always
Edvamp
Samuel M. Pope
Edvamp wrote:
> Yes, I think we do. Makes life more interesting. If I had more time
> and the texts in front of me I would explain the theory behind society's
> need for myths and legends and heroes.
>
I agree and so does celebrated author Joseph Cambell. Just about ANY of
his books can be cited to bolster your point Edvamp.
> Let's have Disney!
>
> Oh yeah, that's healthy for our culture.
>
I do not hate Disney as much as I despise those people who think they
are some sort of moral zenith and in the same breath spew ignorance,
hatred and intolerance. Don't get me started.
see ya,
samuri
Richard
In article <5vqc90$p57$2...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, amethyst
<darkf...@hotmail.com> writes
>If the jocks I knew stopped swearing they'd lose half their punctuation.
>
>"Check out the babe, fuck"
>"What's up with that, fuck"
You are not seriously telling me ppl talk like that are you? I think I
need to get out more.... I must be losing touch with reality.
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Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr
In article <19970920043...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
edv...@aol.com (Edvamp) wrote:
>
>
> > Ah yes, this coming from the person who posted this to me:
> >
> > > No his body is dead but I sleep with it every night. You can too.
> > > After you put your dick in your sister's mouth.
> >
> >>> Well Ed I do hope you make it to medical school soon.
>
> I've already addressed this mistake in another post.
>
> Then you'll be too
> >>> busy to bother with this newsgroup.
>
> Uh huh, you come in here and insult us and then expect me to leave?
>>
>> -Michael
>>
> My point, my boy, is that the
> >>> grotesque, which YOU claim is "inherently interesting", is disgusting
>
> Then why is surrealism so popular? Why are horror movies and horror
> fiction in general popular, when they are merely popularizations of the
> grotesque?
>
>>>> what you mean? It isn't popular. It was popular. And yes for horror movies
>>>> I already asked where alt.chainsaw.massacre is but haven't got an answer.
>>>> Horror movies are mere pasteboard decoration too. Notice how they ususally
>>>> *cut out* the bad scenes.
>
>>>
>
> >>> and that is why as a society we have a TABOO against certain things:
>
> Ah, the old societal norms approach. You mean like the taboos
> against homosexuality? Or the taboos against racial mixing? Or the taboos
> against women voting and having jobs? Taboos are opinions. They change.
>
>>>> Ah, the old liberal bleeding heart approach. What is this moron camp.
>>>> I bet you have a picture of George McGovern on your wall right next
>>>> to Ozzy Osborne, right?? That is the most superifical definition of
>>>> Taboo my eyes have ever beheld. Taboos are common to EVERY society.
>>>> For example, I noticed you evoked a TABOO against Insulting you, which
>>>> I clearly did, but you want to stand by THAT TABOO, don't you.
>>
> >>> like ripping your liver out and eating it for breakfast.
>
> Yet it is acceptable to rip and eat the liver of an animal. If you
> think about it in your terms, eating is grotesque.
>>>> Eating is one of the most grotesque things people do. Read Flicker to
>>>> To see a superb illustration of my point.
> -Michael
>
> I am sick of all
> >>> this crap
>
> I saw no one twisting your arm and forcing you to come in here. If
> you don't like who we are and what we like, you don't have to. The world
> is a more interesting place when people have different opinions. However,
> it is a much less fun place when those differing opinions cause people to
> make judgements about each other.
>
>>>> What exactly is the range *permitted* in one's variety of opinions?
>>>> For example if I hold that Edvamp is a shithead, well is that an
>>>> "interesting opinion"? Or if I think Ed copulates with his mother
>>>> whether true or not, is that an "interesting opinion"? I say NO.
>>>> What a goof. Opinions are never held by neutral parties. Opinions
>>>> always, always lead to judgments of character just as you have
>>>> demonstrated in your reactions to me. The problem Edvamp is that
>>>> your bleeding heart liberal bullshit doesn't go anywhere.
>
>
>
>
> so why not get a life
>
> Ah, another standby 'Get a life'. I guess the fact that I did get a
> psych degree, work in the field as a counselor, and have done a few other
> things that might be considered interesting means nothing? In another post
> you say you felt sorry for my patients (the actual term is clients). Why?
> Just because I have interests and opinions that you don't approve of means
> I am incapable of rendering help to the mentally ill?
>
>>>> Well you got me there. I accept your criticism. This is overworked.
>>>> But you know that many people are searching for what life is all about.
>>>> In a society where people don't have a clue they often use this expression.
>>>> It's a mark of their disease. Having never fathomed the pointlessness
>>>> they urge others, in Tammy Bakker fashion, to "Get a Life". As for
>>>> mental illness, what's your speciality OCD, because you bear all the
>>>> marks of it. I recommend Anafranil.
>
>
> and leave this horseshit about "Gothic"
> >>> behind.
>
> Well thank you so much for trying to improve the quality of my life,
> but I will kindly ask you to butt the hell out. I am quite happy with many
> of the choices on how I lead my life and I'm certainly not going to change
> now just because you say I should.
>
>>>> Now there you go threatening me with your loud voice. You will do
>>>> exactly as I tell you or you will suffer the consequences.
>>>> -Michael
>
>
>
> Profanity, Incest, Darkness, Role and Gender Confusion: burn it all.
>
> Yes, and while we are at it let us burn debate, discussion,
> differences, opinions, dissent, and anything else that doesn't fit into
> your narrow definition of the world.
>
>>>> What are you hiding behind Ed? Are some of those terms just a little
>>>> too threatening for your "sane" "balanced" "rational" self? Debate
>>>> begins when someone puts forth a statement. Have you made any statements
>>>> other than to criticize a post about the Necromonicon???
>>>>
>
>
> >>> Do we really need vampires? Do we really need monsters?
>
> Yes, I think we do. Makes life more interesting. If I had more time
> and the texts in front of me I would explain the theory behind society's
> need for myths and legends and heroes.
>>>
>>> Myths, legends, heroes usually show triumph over monsters. That's
>>>> not what I mean.
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Let's have Disney! and Farmer John!
>
> Oh yeah, that's healthy for our culture.
>
> >>> Now who's the Doctor, Mr. Vamp?
>
> Not me, and I'm praying not you either.
>
> >> Perhaps you have a better definiton of the grotesque?
>
> Actually...
>
> Grotesque 1. odd or unnatural in shape, appearance, or character;
> fantastically ugly or absurd; bizarre. 2. fantastic in the shaping and
> combination of forms, as in decorative work combining incongruous human and
> animal figures with scrolls, foliage, etc.
>
>>>>> Let's begin with odd. Odd poses a problem right off. Odd means not even
>>>>> Something "we" don't know what to do with. The natural numbers include
>>>>> many mysteries beyond even, and most of those mysteries are quite odd.
>>>>> The "odd" is the basis of social dictatorship, the reign of "good" taste.
>>>>> The fear of the other. Odd is often insulting. Something that trained
>>>>> psychologists are paid to "deal" with. "Unnatural". Oh my God. Unnatural.
>>>>> That would require an entire book. But part of what you say reenforces
>>>>> my point: the Gothic is mostly "decorative", therefore shallow. I said
>>>>> before, that Gothic means all dressed up with no where to go and
>>>>> conscious of that fact. The party is over. The lights have come on.
>>>>> Everyone clear out now by order of the odd fire marshal!
>
>
>> Sounds intesting to me. Where in there does it say inherently wrong
> or taboo?
>
> Unnatural, odd, fantastic....all constrained by the TABOO.
>
> Ever and Always
> Edvamp
> Michael, Professor of Gothic Studies, Necronomicon University
John M. VerBurg
Samuel M. Pope (SPO...@IX.NETCOM.COM) wrote:
>
> I agree and so does celebrated author Joseph Cambell. Just about ANY of
> his books can be cited to bolster your point Edvamp.
I would highly reccomend _The Power of Myth_,
an interview of Joseph Campbell by Bill Moyer, for anyone who is
interested in Campbell's interpetation on the need for heroes & myth in
human history.
A particularly interesting section of the interview is Campbell's
examination of the symbolism on the american dollar bill.
jv
Edvamp
>Now would that be surrealism as an art movement led by Breton?
Some would say that Dali, Escher and Giger are surrealist artists.
But, forgetting that you said that taboos are common to every society. If
that is true, how could surrealism ever become popular?
>Horror movies are mere pasteboard decoration too. Notice how they
ususally *cut out* the bad scenes.
When it plays on network tv. When it's played in its full R or NC-17
rating then it shows everything. And these are the versions that are
popular. We as a culture seem to enjoy the unusual and the macabre
>Ah, the old liberal bleeding heart approach.
Have you ever had an original thought? Now who is using language to
destroy meaning?
>That is the most superifical definition of. Taboo my eyes have ever
beheld. Taboos are common to EVERY society.
Taboo - 1. proscribed by society as improper and unacceptable. 2. (among
the Polynesian and other peoples of the South Pacific) seperated or set
apart as sacred or profane.
Nothing in there states that taboos are common to every society. And
in some cultures taboo could either be the sacred or the profane. Hardly
seems to the universal constant you are looking for.
>For example, I noticed you evoked a TABOO against Insulting you, which I
clearly did, but you want to stand by THAT TABOO, don't you.
Absolutely not. There is no taboo against insulting anyone, even me.
However, what I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy of you posting
that we should watch our language and be civil when it is clear that you
yourself refuse to do so.
>What exactly is the range *permitted* in one's variety of opinions?
Any. I really don't care what you believe. I'm not trying to change
your mind or think that we are wonderful. However, if you insist on
spewing idiocy than I am going to have some fun with your posts.
>For example if I hold that Edvamp is a shithead, well is that an
"interesting opinion"?
Interesting is up to the reader. Your opinions are interesting to me
because they make it easy to make a fool out of you in public.
>Or if I think Ed copulates with his mother whether true or not, is that
an "interesting opinion"?
Not necessarily. But it is not taboo. All it is doing is showing
that you have a strange obsession with my sexual habits.
>Opinions always, always lead to judgments of character just as you have
demonstrated in your reactions to me.
Judgements of character vary in degree and meaning. Simple
disagreements usually lead to the judgement of 'this person doesn't like
the same things I do'. That is a judgement but it is emotionally neutral,
it doesn't affect my feelings about a person. My reactions to you is not
because you disagree with me about goth music and mental illness. I
reacted because you were really only interested in insulting people and
their likes. It is not your opinions that I reacted to, it was your tone.
>my point: the Gothic is mostly "decorative", therefore shallow.
How do you get from one point to the next? Why is the decorative
necessarily shallow?
>that Gothic means all dressed up with no where to go and conscious of
that fact.
If we are conscious of the fact, then we got the joke. Shallowness
implies that the person would take it seriously and miss the joke.
>The party is over. The lights have come on.
Now your singing Queen songs to us? Will your assaults never stop?
>Unnatural, odd, fantastic....all constrained by the TABOO.
You are making huge leaps here. None of these things imply that they
are forbiddon by society. A taboo is a social construct, not a universal
fact. A person can ignore taboo and enjoy something that others don't.
Ever and Always
Edvamp
exile
}>Now would that be surrealism as an art movement led by Breton?
}>It isn't popular. It was popular
}
} Some would say that Dali, Escher and Giger are surrealist artists.
}But, forgetting that you said that taboos are common to every society. If
}that is true, how could surrealism ever become popular?
It is popular... just labeled differently... witness most of the computer art
around nowadays... also witness the trend in film and theatre.
Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr
>
> Some would say that Dali, Escher and Giger are surrealist artists.
> But, forgetting that you said that taboos are common to every society. If
> that is true, how could surrealism ever become popular?
>
>>>> of the movement. So what? Surrealism plays around with limits. That
>>>> is why it has been popular. But I would question how popular. Let me
>>>> put it this way. Surrealism is as popular as Christian Fundamentalism? NO.
>>>>
>>>> Horror movies are mere pasteboard decoration too. Notice how they
> ususally *cut out* the bad scenes.
>
> rating then it shows everything. And these are the versions that are
> popular. We as a culture seem to enjoy the unusual and the macabre
>
>>>> productions. What would be the difference between showing someone
>>>> decapitated for real and using a dummy, dummy?
>
> >Ah, the old liberal bleeding heart approach.
>
> destroy meaning?
>
>>> You neglected to add that many blacks would prefer not to associate with
>>> white people, you neglected to add that women are very dangerous and need
>>> to be regulated, just as men need it, and generally your superificial
>>> liberal enlightenment cheap talk is just that bullshit.
>
>That is the most superifical definition of. Taboo my eyes have ever
> beheld. Taboos are common to EVERY society.
>
> the Polynesian and other peoples of the South Pacific) seperated or set
> apart as sacred or profane.
>
> Nothing in there states that taboos are common to every society. And
> in some cultures taboo could either be the sacred or the profane. Hardly
> seems to the universal constant you are looking for.
>
>>> Name one society, I dare you, that does not observe a taboo of some sort.
>
>
> >For example, I noticed you evoked a TABOO against Insulting you, which I
> clearly did, but you want to stand by THAT TABOO, don't you.
>
> However, what I was doing was pointing out the hypocrisy of you posting
> that we should watch our language and be civil when it is clear that you
> yourself refuse to do so.
>
>>>> to contradict myself in public or big bad Ed will come down with his
>>>> little hammer and try to smash me to pieces. Ouch..Okay, smarty pants.
>>>> Here are the new rules: I will do whatever I want. You however will
>>>> merely watch and say yes sir!
>
> >What exactly is the range *permitted* in one's variety of opinions?
>
> Any. I really don't care what you believe. I'm not trying to change
> your mind or think that we are wonderful. However, if you insist on
> spewing idiocy than I am going to have some fun with your posts.
>
>>> It is not a question of what I believe. It is a question of how society
>>> is organized and how people generally relate to one another. I don't think
>>> you'll be able to change my mind because you can't grasp what I tell you.
>>> "Idiocy" interesting. Is that suppose to be a form of censorship?
>>> Well I don't think the races should mix and I don't think women should
>>> vote. Now I don't say that as my position but as a statement about
>>> social policy. Why is it wrong? Or better, is it wrong?
>
>
>
> >For example if I hold that Edvamp is a shithead, well is that an
> "interesting opinion"?
>
> Interesting is up to the reader. Your opinions are interesting to me
> because they make it easy to make a fool out of you in public.
>
>>>> No you aren't a shithead, you are a clown. Clowns seek public support.
>
> >Or if I think Ed copulates with his mother whether true or not, is that
> an "interesting opinion"?
>
> Not necessarily. But it is not taboo. All it is doing is showing
> that you have a strange obsession with my sexual habits.
>
>>> Yes it is taboo. For if it were true you certainly would hide it.
>>> Whether this is my obession is beside the point. If it were true I
>>> challenge you to say that it is true. Publically.
>
> >Opinions always, always lead to judgments of character just as you
have
> demonstrated in your reactions to me.
>
> Judgements of character vary in degree and meaning. Simple
> disagreements usually lead to the judgement of 'this person doesn't like
> the same things I do'. That is a judgement but it is emotionally neutral,
> it doesn't affect my feelings about a person. My reactions to you is not
> because you disagree with me about goth music and mental illness. I
> reacted because you were really only interested in insulting people and
> their likes. It is not your opinions that I reacted to, it was your tone.
>
>>>> Another crock of shit. You need neutrality becaue you want to come
>>>> off as balanced and fair. Shit I say pure horse shit. Oh, tone??
>>>> And just exactly did you derive my tone from looking at a computer
>>>> screen. Maybe you have a good sound card?
> >my point: the Gothic is mostly "decorative", therefore shallow.
>
> How do you get from one point to the next? Why is the decorative
> necessarily shallow?
>
>>> Because I don't have all the time in the world to straighten you out.
>>> The second question you may be right but I'd like to know why you think
>>> so. For example, it may be the case that certain people adopt a certain
>>> way of life, called Gothic, which expresses a deeper need they have.
>>> The decorative dimension, here I mean the music, language, and style
>>> reflect some felt need in their life. Why for example would someone
>>>> be turned on by Gothic and someone else just be cold to it? It must
>>>> reflect an inner need that is specific to some people but not shared
>>>> universally.
>
>
> >that Gothic means all dressed up with no where to go and conscious of
> that fact.
>
> If we are conscious of the fact, then we got the joke. Shallowness
> implies that the person would take it seriously and miss the joke.
>
> >The party is over. The lights have come on.
>
> Now your singing Queen songs to us? Will your assaults never stop?
>
> >Unnatural, odd, fantastic....all constrained by the TABOO.
>>>
>>> A final thought. In early socialization process in our society
>>> the odd is always considered something to avoid. It is NEVER NEVER
>>> taken as an ideal.
>>>
> You are making huge leaps here. None of these things imply that they
> are forbiddon by society. A taboo is a social construct, not a universal
> fact. A person can ignore taboo and enjoy something that others don't.
>
>>>> Your enlightenment attitude betrays a superficial thought process.
>>>> Taboos are more basic than social constructs, they are often repressed,
>>>> and they are more deeply ingrained that mere customs. You don't seem
>>> to enjoy idiocy or assaults. You want them to be TABOO.
>
> Ever and Always
> Edvamp
> Michael
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
David Gerard
On 19 Sep 1997 01:19:39 GMT,
Tim McGaughy <tee...@serv1.jump.net> wrote:
:Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
You mean 'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain.'
HTH.
--
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Earthlink, until earthlink.net *stop* the flow of junk email and spam.
Anne
David Gerard wrote:
>
> On 19 Sep 1997 01:19:39 GMT,
> Tim McGaughy <tee...@serv1.jump.net> wrote:
> :Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
>
> :: Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> :: not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> :: they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
> :Fuck off, asshole.
>
> You mean 'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain.'
> HTH.
>
Alrighty...feel better??
Eekies,
Anne
(who defends her right to curse at will on a whim...and who wishes
people wouldnt upset David so....)
Antisocial
David Gerard wrote:
>
> On 19 Sep 1997 01:19:39 GMT,
> Tim McGaughy <tee...@serv1.jump.net> wrote:
> :Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
>
> :: Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
> :: not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
> :: they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
> :Fuck off, asshole.
>
> You mean 'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain.'
> HTH.
No, you mean
'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain,
I don't have time for this binary squitter because I have a
suction abortion casserole in the oven and it's burning.'
HTH.
DTU.
--TSM
Anne
You dont have to prove your cursing prowess....we all know how
wonderfully raunchy both you men are..
Love,
Anne
David Gerard
On 23 Sep 1997 16:51:33 GMT,
Anne <rav...@gte.net> wrote:
:David Gerard wrote:
:> On 19 Sep 1997 01:19:39 GMT,
:> Tim McGaughy <tee...@serv1.jump.net> wrote:
:> :Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
:> :: Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
:> :: not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
:> :: they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
:> :Fuck off, asshole.
:> You mean 'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain.'
:> HTH.
:Down David Down......its ok......deep breaths....count to 10.
:Alrighty...feel better??
:Eekies,
:Anne
:(who defends her right to curse at will on a whim...and who wishes
:people wouldnt upset David so....)
"I'm bored."
"So am I. What can we do?"
"Ahh, let's go over to alt.gothic and practice cussing."
n.b.: my internal editor has decided that 'wankstain' would be more
pleasingly dysphonious in the above than 'cumstain'. Please correct.
Ron Cecchini
rav...@gte.net wrote:
> Boys Boys Boys......lets just calm down.....
> You dont have to prove your cursing prowess....
> we all know how wonderfully raunchy both you men are..
Tongue my anus, Anne.
][
Ian Sturrock
In article <60e4bd$l4l$2...@gte1.gte.net>, Anne <rav...@gte.net> writes
>Who shall be crowned The Mighty King of Verbal Assault and Superflous
>SMUT!
Shouldn't that be "Oral Assault"? That would cover both verbiage and
tonguing...
--
Deadly Ernest
Said West Valley City Det. Brian Shields: "The Goths are about four
things: Drugs and sex, sex and drugs. This is a movement that needs to
be watched." (Salt Lake Tribune, 11 April 1997)
Anne
Ron Cecchini wrote:
>
> rav...@gte.net wrote:
>
> > Boys Boys Boys......lets just calm down.....
> > You dont have to prove your cursing prowess....
> > we all know how wonderfully raunchy both you men are..
>
> Tongue my anus, Anne.
>
> ][
Ladies and gentlemen...I think we have a new contender!
Who shall be crowned The Mighty King of Verbal Assault and Superflous
Love,
Anne
Tim McGaughy
Antisocial (t...@flaprider.vnet.net.TRAP) wrote:
: David Gerard wrote:
: >
: > On 19 Sep 1997 01:19:39 GMT,
: > Tim McGaughy <tee...@serv1.jump.net> wrote:
: > :Mic...@www.chonju-tc.ac.kr wrote:
: >
: > :: Anyone who uses language as I have in the title of this post ought
: > :: not to be keeping anything but a box of comet near the sink so that
: > :: they can wash their mouths more often. Let's clean it up, huh?
: > :Fuck off, asshole.
: >
: > You mean 'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain.'
: > HTH.
: No, you mean
: 'fuck off, you utterly fucking superfluous dogcunt cumstain,
: I don't have time for this binary squitter because I have a
: suction abortion casserole in the oven and it's burning.'
Of course that was what I meant to say.
Thanks for clarifying, both of you.
Ron Cecchini
rav...@gte.net wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen...I think we have a new contender!
> Who shall be crowned The Mighty King of Verbal Assault and Superflous SMUT!
My work here is done.
][
(Metaphysics to King of Smut in one day. Call me a Rennaissance Dude...)
Tim McGaughy
Anne (rav...@gte.net) wrote:
: Ron Cecchini wrote:
: > Tongue my anus, Anne.
: >
: > ][
: Ladies and gentlemen...I think we have a new contender!
Contender, hell! I'd say we have a clear winner.
Ron Cecchini
tee...@serv1.jump.net (Tim McGaughy) wrote:
> Contender, hell! I'd say we have a clear winner.
"As I humbly accept this honor, I find it necessary to thank all the women
(read: bitches with attitudes) I knew during my former incarnation as a
drunken student, women (read: stuck-up out-of-shape ugly road whores that I
wouldn't even look at in high school, but because I went to a practically
all-male engineering school, I was forced to lower my standards, suck up my
pride, and acknowledge their skanky existence until such time that someone
more worthy came along) who made such vocabulary not only necessary, but a way
of life. Thank you."
][
(who actually combed the local HS and ended up dating locals)