Trad goth vs. Electro
Deviancy
have an idea of what a guitar is.
I had my lil phase of a total burn out of the traditional sound but that's
over now. I kept digging further down into the more electronic thing and
all I continued to find was crap. A few of the discs I came across this
month were really bad. First one was Stabbing Westward's new disc, I forgot
the title. Now their first disc, Ungod, was great. Then they released the
disc with that song, "What do I have to do?". The song stuck in my head for
ages, I liked it, they had a aggressive sound but there was still some
melody there. His vocals weren't totally distorted. I skipped out on the
disc after that though, then I got the latest. A few of the tracks were
similar to their older sound but the majority of the album was typical KROQ
tripe, just college rock. Mid tempo, boring vocals, etc. Oh well.
I then got Ministry's best of
If this is what industrial is supposed to sound like, i'd rather listen to
rap.
Vocals were horribly mangled in distortion, over used loops and annoying
sfx. The album sounded like one of my games when my system hangs.
Ok, so I don't like industrial, it's really rare for me to actually like
anything that genre has to offer. No offense to the rivet heads.
I like the Narcissus Pool, they have a industrial edge, imo. Same goes with
Rosetta Stone's more current work, theres something about it that I like.
So this morning I put on one of my older fave cd's. The bands called the
New Creatures. There's something about their music that I like. Theres
violin, guitar, heavy bass, cool vocals, but not really old school.
Something new but something not totally void of traditional guitar...
So I started thinking, what bands that are tossed in as goth still have more
variety then just keyboards?
Diva Destruction was brought up earlier on the ng. They have some variety
going for them. This band called Womb that i've been listening to also
does. Faith and the Muse, last time I checked they still had a rock edge.
Ranting to much, hehe.
Just found an interesting webpage
Greylock
*snip*
>Just found an interesting webpage
>http://www.netauthority.org/
It's a hoax. There should be a link at the bottom of the page which makes
this obvious - http://www.netauthority.org/hoax.html IIRC.
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H*ydn
"Ironically, the goth music seems to be evolving into
something I liked when playing C64 games." - ren
Deviancy
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> It's a hoax. There should be a link at the bottom of the page which makes
> this obvious - http://www.netauthority.org/hoax.html IIRC.
Ja, no kidding.
I just find it sick
Stellar
>I then got Ministry's best of
Ooo, they have a best of now? Must go look at Amazon. *bounce*
>If this is what industrial is supposed to sound like, i'd rather listen to
>rap.
*smack* Al in big cowboy hat spits at you.
>Vocals were horribly mangled in distortion, over used loops and annoying
>sfx. The album sounded like one of my games when my system hangs.
Come on, now. I absolutely love Ministry. One of my Favorite Five. I
love repetitive music, as long as it's good repetitive (no techno),
i.e. dark and bassy. And I love their sfx. Power drills, man! You
can't get any better than that. :) Is this best of CD your first
exposure to them?
>Ok, so I don't like industrial, it's really rare for me to actually like
>anything that genre has to offer. No offense to the rivet heads.
None taken. You're just clueless, that's all. :P
>So this morning I put on one of my older fave cd's. The bands called the
>New Creatures. There's something about their music that I like. Theres
>violin, guitar, heavy bass, cool vocals, but not really old school.
>Something new but something not totally void of traditional guitar...
Ministry has a lot of guitar, I think. There's a distinction, IMO,
between UK industrial and US industrial, and that's the addition of
guitar. You don't get much of that in UK industrial.
~Stellar, *squats like a frog* rivet, rivet
"Don't let the light shine on me
I am the poison that feeds life to you."
-Gary Numan
Deviancy
"Stellar" <he...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> None taken. You're just clueless, that's all. :P
Egads
You are probably being sarcastic but I need to vent, sorry....
A human being is not clueless if they despise a form of art, or a genre of
music, or an author, or a style of car, or a pair boots.
They are bastards, perhaps, assholes, maybe.
I'm just super picky on alot of things but yet the weirdest things slip in.
I don't much care for Poe yet I really used to get into Clive Barkers stuff.
I don't care for Bauhaus yet I love the Horatii.
I'm not a huge fan of industrial music but yet I like a few Skinny Puppy
songs. Well, Killing Game, the rest is well, eh. I tried really hard to
like them since they are always putting across the message that harm to
animals is like naughty. But I couldn't :(.
I figured i'd try Ministry, they had one or two songs I liked on the album
with the guy in the suit. But the best of did not have one single song that
I could get into.
I just like melody. Some industrial bands lack that. Plus I love vocals, I
feel the distortion can be done right but if done to such an extent that it
doesn't even sound human, then it's not for me.
Plus I need a balance, the stuff has to have great lyrics as well as music.
This is why I like the Cure so much, Disintegration moreso then other discs.
The production was super clean, Robert sounded pretty good, which fluxuates
from time to time, just listen to the top, egads. And the structure of the
music was excellent.
I grew up on 70's rock. The Eagles, Boston, Kiss, Elton John, Bowie, etc.
I got used to the way the lead guitar sounded, the way the bass was, the
clean vocals, etc.
I know most vocalists use some level of distortion, at least in the studio.
But like I said, if it's distorted to much it makes me all pissy.
IHCOYC XPICTOC
> Come on, now. I absolutely love Ministry. One of my Favorite Five. I
> love repetitive music, as long as it's good repetitive (no techno),
> i.e. dark and bassy. And I love their sfx. Power drills, man! You
> can't get any better than that. :) Is this best of CD your first
> exposure to them?
I recently found a used CD reissue of Hawkwind's -Space Ritual-, which came
out originally in 1972. Another 70's favourite, but aeons since I'd
listened to my well worn vinyl copy, so I grabbed it. The leaflet it had
instead of the original foldout cardboard the albums came in was mildly
disappointing, though.
One thing I thought, listening to Dave Brock and Lemmy's ferocious and
repetitive riffing, Simon King's athletic drums, and Bob Calvert's sciffy
lyrics, that this was what industrial would sound like if it were any good.
This is a live album, with some goofy primitive synthesizer noises and some
flute and sax noodling over a solid ground of sludgy, distorted guitar,
bass, and drums. They definitely had any of the best rhythm sections in any
psychedelic band. Unlike repetitions done by computers, there was enough
minor changes each time the riffs came round to make it interesting to
follow. A great record to listen while driving.
Most industrial sounds like uglified disco to me. The problem is that the
noise they sample and repeat is too perfect, always the same the last time
as the first, except when they run it through another set of distortion
filters. I like loud, repetitive, dark and bassy music; but I prefer it to
be made by human beings.
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"Stellar" <he...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Lady Greycat
says...
> Come on, now. I absolutely love Ministry. One of my Favorite Five. I
> love repetitive music, as long as it's good repetitive (no techno),
> i.e. dark and bassy.
>
Greycat
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Stellar
>You are probably being sarcastic but I need to vent, sorry....
Yes, I was. :)
>A human being is not clueless if they despise a form of art, or a genre of
>music, or an author, or a style of car, or a pair boots.
No.
>They are bastards, perhaps, assholes, maybe.
No, neither of those either. Everyone has his own opinion. Whatever
blows your skirt up.
>I figured i'd try Ministry, they had one or two songs I liked on the album
>with the guy in the suit.
Filth Pig? I bought a CD of the first single from it, didn't like it,
so didn't bother buying the whole album. Older Ministry is good
though. Not very early stuff, and not the latest stuff, but middle
Ministry. :)
>But the best of did not have one single song that
>I could get into.
I'm looking at the tracks on Amazon now. My favorite song from the
list is "Just One Fix". Try listening to it again. "So What" would
get equal billing w/ me had it not been a live version. I don't
generally care for live recordings. I haven't heard this one, so I
can't say. Now, "Supernaut" is good too, if it's the old version w/
Trent Reznor on vocals. Probably isn't.
~Stellar
Deviancy
> I'm looking at the tracks on Amazon now. My favorite song from the
> list is "Just One Fix". Try listening to it again. "So What" would
> get equal billing w/ me had it not been a live version. I don't
> generally care for live recordings. I haven't heard this one, so I
> can't say. Now, "Supernaut" is good too, if it's the old version w/
> Trent Reznor on vocals. Probably isn't.
Just one fix is alright. Supernaut isn't horrid either but it's a cover
song so I don't really give bands credit for covers.
I liked Everyday is Halloween, I wanted more of that sound and all I got was
noise.
Well I found Womb ;)
I love this guy's stuff.
Try it ;)
http://www.geocities.com/womb_hang/
The Lighthouse Keeper
> Filth Pig? I bought a CD of the first single from it, didn't like it,
> so didn't bother buying the whole album. Older Ministry is good
> though. Not very early stuff, and not the latest stuff, but middle
> Ministry. :)
Everything from Twitch to A Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste is fine.
Psalm's annoying and Filth Pig and everything after are somewhat of a bad
way to discover Ministry, IMO.
<shrug>
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>
> "Deviancy" <wowthis...@doot.com> wrote:
>
> >I then got Ministry's best of
>
> Ooo, they have a best of now? Must go look at Amazon. *bounce*
Damn, and I already bought the boxed set! :(
> >Vocals were horribly mangled in distortion, over used loops and annoying
> >sfx. The album sounded like one of my games when my system hangs.
>
> Come on, now. I absolutely love Ministry. One of my Favorite Five. I
> love repetitive music, as long as it's good repetitive (no techno),
> i.e. dark and bassy.
Yeah, I like them too. I even went to see them at the Warfield in
San Francisco once, and they were good. The opening act was "The Jesus
Lizard," and I think their front man wanted to be Iggy Pop or
something.
-M. Wood
Sheryl Kirby
>
> > Filth Pig? I bought a CD of the first single from it, didn't like it,
> > so didn't bother buying the whole album. Older Ministry is good
> > though. Not very early stuff, and not the latest stuff, but middle
> > Ministry. :)
>
> Everything from Twitch to A Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste is fine.
> Psalm's annoying and Filth Pig and everything after are somewhat of a bad
> way to discover Ministry, IMO.
Hey man, there are some of us that think ol' Al's finest moment was "Work For
Love". <teehee giggle snicker snort>
Sheryl
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David (The Faces of Sarah)
Deviancy wrote in message ...
>I've been listening to these three bands alot lately, they seem to still
>have an idea of what a guitar is.
<<SNIPPS>>
>So I started thinking, what bands that are tossed in as goth still have
more
>variety then just keyboards?
>
[cheeky Trad Goth plug]
*two* guitars / bass / vocals (no distorted vocals) / real drummer / (yes,
the odd keyboard bit as well!)
"This is a band to watch! Picking up where the Sisters and the Nephilim left
off, this U.K. outfit delivers traditional Gothic rock with the driving
post-punk punch that has been missing in action for years. The Faces Of
Sarah formed in England in 1998 and are thankfully immune to the glitter and
glitz of glam ‘goth’ and the electronic overkill currently watering down
Gothic music. Theirs will be a much welcomed appearance by fans of Goth
rock that have been in hiding or on their own personal desert island with
only their 1980’s vinyl at their side. ".... www.starvox.net
Bryen193
>Hey man, there are some of us that think ol' Al's finest moment was "Work For
>Love". <teehee giggle snicker snort>
Al's finest moment was "Revenge". Either that or downing half a quart of
whiskey while bouncing around lip synching along with "Boys Don't Cry" on the
PA while waiting to take the stage at the Copa on the Land of Rape and Honey
tour...
P.S. - Whatever happened to Kitten with a Whip? That was a great band...
++++ Once I looked at the Starres and they were all Blood ++++
++++ http://www.angelfire.com/80s/ashenthorn/index.html ++++
Sheryl Kirby
> Al's finest moment was "Revenge". Either that or downing half a quart of
> whiskey while bouncing around lip synching along with "Boys Don't Cry" on the
> PA while waiting to take the stage at the Copa on the Land of Rape and Honey
> tour...
He's a weird man. He nearly ran me over at Lollapalooza one year as he was
zipping around in a golf cart.
> P.S. - Whatever happened to Kitten with a Whip? That was a great band...
Ook! They're all over the place now. Haven't heard from Paul in years
(although his ex is doing very well in her band "Nice Cat"). I don't even
remember who else was in that damn band... Mitch, I think, who is living in
Montreal. Although we've been assured that there will be a Toronto Halloween
Masochistic Religion show this year, so that's a reasonable substitute.
Sheryl
Greylock
>Hey man, there are some of us that think ol' Al's finest moment was "Work For
>Love". <teehee giggle snicker snort>
Hey, at least it's better than 'Dark Side of the Spoon'. :)
Gothae Obscurum
> So I started thinking, what bands that are tossed in as goth still have more
> variety then just keyboards?
Dream Disciples
http://www.dreamdisciples.net
Corrosion
http://www.corrosionuk.com
D.U.S.T.
http://www.d-u-s-t.co.uk
The Faces Of Sarah
http://www.TheFacesOfSarah.com
Womb
http://www.geocities.com/womb_hang
Leisure Hive
...don't have web address for them...
All bloody good Brit bands that know the right end of a guitar... :)
Cheers
Paul
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But without me you're only you"
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Deviancy
"Gothae Obscurum" <paul...@deja.com> wrote in message
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> Dream Disciples
> http://www.dreamdisciples.net
Can't get into them yet, maybe I haven't heard enough. They are good, don't
get me wrong. Just haven't gotten hooked yet.
> D.U.S.T.
> http://www.d-u-s-t.co.uk
I'm always afraid one of the musicians will see what I have to say. Oh
well. I don't much like D.U.S.T, they remind me to much of the hard rock
shit I was into years ago.
> Womb
> http://www.geocities.com/womb_hang
This is my new personal fave. I found out about the guys material about a
week or so ago while I was fucking around on peoplesound. So I ordered both
of the discs from some online site. He writes some cool songs, has a old
school twist with a modern feel. Reminds me of how things were when I first
jumped in. This was back in the early nineties, right before everyone got
high and thought they could do the industrial or techno thing. I'm keeping
my fingers crossed that he never tosses out the focus on the guitar.
Gothae Obscurum
>
> "Gothae Obscurum" <paul...@deja.com> wrote in message
> news:3B53FBA3...@deja.com...
> > Dream Disciples
> > http://www.dreamdisciples.net
>
> Can't get into them yet, maybe I haven't heard enough. They are good, don't
> get me wrong. Just haven't gotten hooked yet.
Have you seen them live. That normally dispels any doubts. :)
> > D.U.S.T.
> > http://www.d-u-s-t.co.uk
>
> I'm always afraid one of the musicians will see what I have to say. Oh
> well. I don't much like D.U.S.T, they remind me to much of the hard rock
> shit I was into years ago.
It's heavy alright. However, in my book, that is A Good Thing. ;)
It's horses for courses, though. Once again, they are good live.
> > Womb
> > http://www.geocities.com/womb_hang
>
> This is my new personal fave. I found out about the guys material about a
> week or so ago while I was fucking around on peoplesound. So I ordered both
> of the discs from some online site. He writes some cool songs, has a old
> school twist with a modern feel. Reminds me of how things were when I first
> jumped in. This was back in the early nineties, right before everyone got
> high and thought they could do the industrial or techno thing. I'm keeping
> my fingers crossed that he never tosses out the focus on the guitar.
I saw them on Sunday (supporting D.U.S.T. along with Leisure Hive and
Sleeping Pictures).
The general consensus was "early Cure". They aren't very lively on
stage, but the material doesn't lend itself to onstage antics much.
They're a 'listen-to' band. And nice people to boot. (As are all of the
bands I mentioned. :))
I must mention Corrosion again because it's my band and you should like
us because of that fact. :D
Cheers
Paul
--
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But without me you're only you"
Mike Patton
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David (The Faces of Sarah)
Deviancy wrote in message ...
>
>
>I'm the type of person that likes music just to listen to, or drive to. I
>don't dance ;) or anything like that so dancey kind of music is kind of
>wasted on me.
>
Def need to listen to us, then...(dancing is optional and not obligatory!)
David.
www.TheFacesOfSarah.com!
Gothae Obscurum
Oh, I don't know. Your cover of "Hit Me Baby, One More Time" made me tap
my foot on several occasions. ;)
Deviancy
"David (The Faces of Sarah)" <da...@REMOVE.TheFacesOfSarah.com> wrote in
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> Def need to listen to us, then...(dancing is optional and not obligatory!)
Haha, I am right now. "All that is Divine" is the track, I think. Can't
crank it or anything though since i am at work. But it sounds pretty
groovy.
Deviancy
> Have you seen them live. That normally dispels any doubts. :)
I'm in the states ;). And as discussed in an earlier thread, the chance of
seeing any uk goth acts out here is really rare. Sad but true.
> I saw them on Sunday (supporting D.U.S.T. along with Leisure Hive and
> Sleeping Pictures).
> The general consensus was "early Cure". They aren't very lively on
> stage, but the material doesn't lend itself to onstage antics much.
> They're a 'listen-to' band. And nice people to boot. (As are all of the
> bands I mentioned. :))
She's a Boy is a riot, and I want to make you bleed is a hoot. They have
some slower material as well, Apology and The Cry. But I haven't heard alot
yet, just 6 or so tracks. The first two tracks I mentioned are pretty fast
tempo'd, I could imagine smashing and kicking while that's playing. But
maybe that's just me.... Early Cure, hrmm, that's a fair comparison, I do
hear a lil Pornography in there. Hanging Garden comes to mind. A
"listen-to" band? ;)... isn't that what all bands are? Or maybe you just
helped me.
Maybe that's my issue with ministry and other harder forms of industrial.
I'm the type of person that likes music just to listen to, or drive to. I
don't dance ;) or anything like that so dancey kind of music is kind of
wasted on me.
> I must mention Corrosion again because it's my band and you should like
> us because of that fact. :D
Went to the page, nothing to click on.
Deviancy
> Oh, I don't know. Your cover of "Hit Me Baby, One More Time" made me tap
> my foot on several occasions. ;)
I've heard rumors of this cover ;). Theres also another band out there but
I think they are deathmetal, they have it on a disc to, I think. Covering
the Brit one, that's just great.
Gothae Obscurum
>
> "Gothae Obscurum" <paul...@deja.com> wrote in message
> news:3B54668D...@deja.com...
> > Have you seen them live. That normally dispels any doubts. :)
>
> I'm in the states ;). And as discussed in an earlier thread, the chance of
> seeing any uk goth acts out here is really rare. Sad but true.
>
> > I saw them on Sunday (supporting D.U.S.T. along with Leisure Hive and
> > Sleeping Pictures).
> > The general consensus was "early Cure". They aren't very lively on
> > stage, but the material doesn't lend itself to onstage antics much.
> > They're a 'listen-to' band. And nice people to boot. (As are all of the
> > bands I mentioned. :))
>
> She's a Boy is a riot, and I want to make you bleed is a hoot. They have
> some slower material as well, Apology and The Cry. But I haven't heard alot
> yet, just 6 or so tracks. The first two tracks I mentioned are pretty fast
> tempo'd, I could imagine smashing and kicking while that's playing.
You're right, of course. I'd forgotten that they did fast tracks because
they didn't play any of them on Sunday. Duh me, must listen to Spiteful
Extractions again.
> But
> maybe that's just me.... Early Cure, hrmm, that's a fair comparison, I do
> hear a lil Pornography in there. Hanging Garden comes to mind. A
> "listen-to" band? ;)... isn't that what all bands are? Or maybe you just
> helped me.
>
> Maybe that's my issue with ministry and other harder forms of industrial.
>
> I'm the type of person that likes music just to listen to, or drive to. I
> don't dance ;) or anything like that so dancey kind of music is kind of
> wasted on me.
>
> > I must mention Corrosion again because it's my band and you should like
> > us because of that fact. :D
>
> Went to the page, nothing to click on.
Try this:-
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/251/corrosionuk.html
You'll find a song called "Dead", which we did for a compilation of
songs that were only one minute long.
Deviancy
> You're right, of course. I'd forgotten that they did fast tracks because
> they didn't play any of them on Sunday. Duh me, must listen to Spiteful
> Extractions again.
Probably needs more of a live line-up. Some of the harder faster songs may
be a little hard if he's only working with one or two others....
> Try this:-
>
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/251/corrosionuk.html
>
> You'll find a song called "Dead", which we did for a compilation of
> songs that were only one minute long.
>
Will do
David (The Faces of Sarah)
>
Why, thanks ;-> Needs a good crank, though! Listen on....
David.
www.TheFacesOfSarah.com
oddlystrange
"Deviancy" <wowthis...@doot.com> wrote:
> So I started thinking, what bands that are tossed in as goth still have more
> variety then just keyboards?
Actually, over the last few months, my big issue is that a lot of the new
"goth" bands (or current "goth" bands, whatever) are *so* utterly boring,
cliched, and over-hand-staple-forehead that I could scream.
I'm tired of some spooky-ass skinnyboy whining in some "my heart bleeds
regularly" voice about the darkness inside, or the candle that lights his
flame, or how marylin made him bitter or whatever...
You know it was interesting the first time someone did it. But the
original Joy Division ain't making music anymore.
That can't be said that there isn't good goth music to be made. But I'm
just not seeing it anymore. Everyone has either hopped giddily on the
electro bandwagon, or is trying their hardest to be Bauhaus 2.
Either way, I'm having a really hard time finding originality in "goth"
music anymore.
About the only thing "new" that I really enjoy is the new Project
Pitchfork. It's electro, but with enough base-melodic roots to make it
prolly more goth in the sense of the reason I got into goth in the first
place than any dribble I've heard elsewhere.
</rant>
oddlystrange
(who also really likes VNV Nation, so far as interesting music in the
truer sense of making something original and "dark")
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oddlystrange
> "Deviancy" <wowthis...@doot.com> wrote:
>
> >I then got Ministry's best of
>
> Ooo, they have a best of now? Must go look at Amazon. *bounce*
Basically the best of ministry happened before Jesus Built my Hotrod. If
that's all the album is, I might be interested... since I've taken a
penchant to collecting "best of" albums lately because they're convienent.
> >If this is what industrial is supposed to sound like, i'd rather listen to
> >rap.
>
> *smack* Al in big cowboy hat spits at you.
I'm just going to thwack her with my snakes and lizards and other things
that go bump in the night... :)
oddlystrange
(who actually liked the second track off that album, though I can't be
arsed to get up and actually look up the name for it right now)
Deviancy
"oddlystrange" <pe...@obscure.org> wrote in message
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> Actually, over the last few months, my big issue is that a lot of the new
> "goth" bands (or current "goth" bands, whatever) are *so* utterly boring,
> cliched, and over-hand-staple-forehead that I could scream.
I half ass agree, depending where you are going with this....
>
> I'm tired of some spooky-ass skinnyboy whining in some "my heart bleeds
> regularly" voice about the darkness inside, or the candle that lights his
> flame, or how marylin made him bitter or whatever...
Ok, I don't half ass agree.....
I never got into goth music because it was totally fresh and over the top
sparkly and new. Lets start from the beginning, I used to be into hard
rock. But not like most hard rock kids, I only liked the ballads basically.
I mean I could get down with my bad self on a few of the faster songs but
the problem with faster music is it's only good when driving, having sex or
dancing. I basically listen to music when i'm writing or playing some game
or sitting at my desk.
So when I found the goth world...hehe
I got into Rosetta Stone's moving lil pieces about forgiveness and how she
tore his heart out. Helped me write my shit, I didn't steal from them but
they way they got all dramatic put me in a mood. Even when Rosetta got a
bit more electro he was still able to write a good lil ditty. As for
electro, I can get into female fronted electro music because the vocals are
usually not distorted to badly if at all. Plus the whole angelic vocal
thing isn't always there.
Marilyn made me bitter.....
The Cruxshadows pull a few strings with me. Rogue has a talent of writing
some pretty songs. They seem sincere enough and he's a very energetic
performer. Probably one of the top 5 american acts as far as this genre is
concerned. Most of their music is pretty good, I just don't like the spoken
word pieces....
I like music from the heart, sincere stuff but I also like trashy songs. I
just don't like music that relies to much on government conspiriacies and
shit like that. Although I do like U2's earlier stuff, but maybe that's
because it sounds sincere and from the heart. I'm sure many goth bands that
go on about "my heart bleeds" aren't being sincere but the goth bands that I
find to lack sincerity are the ones that go on about vampires. You can
never go wrong with a love song, even if it's a negative love song.
It's funny, I'm listening to an electro disc right now. My metropolis order
came today, so I have Swarf on and I had Narcissus Pool on. Spooky and
crew sound pretty good on this disc, I think it's called, Any Idiot can Join
the Dots. Swarf isn't half bad either, not really goth....
Anyways i'm rambling....
My point is goth music is still as great as it ever was, some of us may
just be burnt out on it. I just learned not to look at a genre and expect a
change, when I want a change I jump to another boat for a vacation..
Once a genre begins to change and it begins borrowing from other genres it
begins to filter out what was good about the genre in the first place. It's
like when you dye easter eggs. You dye the egg blue, but you want to be
different, so you stick the egg in the red dye. But you're not happy with
that so you keep on sticking it in differet colored dye. Before you know it
that egg doesn't have one part that's still blue. And you miss that damn
blue egg. Hrmm, what the fuck am I talking about...
I need sleep
oddlystrange
"Deviancy" <marysh...@internetcds.com> wrote:
> My point is goth music is still as great as it ever was, some of us may
> just be burnt out on it. I just learned not to look at a genre and expect a
> change, when I want a change I jump to another boat for a vacation..
The problem with music is that it is an ARTFORM. A lot of people forget
that. Granted it's an artform that has to also meet the requirements of
being entertaining, and be financially profitable. But more and more
artforms are falling into this thanks to pop culture anyhow....
If someone got a paint-by-numbers Mona Lisa would you think that it needs
to hang in the Lourve next to the original?
As far as I see it right now, Goth, in it's current form is far too
lacking in DaVinci's and far too abundant in paint-by-number "artists."
There's no reason why you can't go to the Salvadore Dali museam and sit
there for hours and admire his paintings. There's no reason I can't put in
Unknown Pleasures and still find it a remarkable work of art.
But likewise someone who paints in the style of Dali and calls themselves
an artist will never have entire museams dedicated to them in thier
lifetime.
So, no I'm not burned out on Goth music. The stuff I liked originally is
still just as appealing as it was to me the first time I heard it. But
when I hear someone else simply copycatting the art created by others, I'm
just not interested. And at this point, I'm not hearing anything that
screams wonderment out of most of the "goth" bands.
There are a few exceptions. A few little gems of bands that make music in
the wholey traditional goth sense, and also have the artistry to avoid
sounding like every other goth band out there right now, and all the ones
that came before it as well.
> Once a genre begins to change and it begins borrowing from other genres it
> begins to filter out what was good about the genre in the first place.
I never said goth music had to *CHANGE*, at least not in the sense you're
talking about.
But it MUST grow. It must develop and be allowed to develop. If you
stopped learning anything new as of the moment you read this sentence, I
think you'd prolly be very bored of yourself in a few years.
Music is the same way. It needs to breathe, it needs to find new ways of
doing things. And oftimes, the most amazing growth spurts don't have to do
with the music borrowing from another genre at all, but rather some artist
within the field finding a new way to interpret it all -- a new way to lay
the paint on the canvas.
Where do you think "goth" came from in the first place? Do you think it
just one day spurted up. No, it was the culmination of someone who took
the base of the history of mournful dirges, unlocked the secret behind why
things like gregorian chants are both weighty and uplifting, and combined
that with punk. He painted something that had never been seen.
And his canvas deserves a museam to house it. Those that simply tried to
copy him don't.
> It's
> like when you dye easter eggs. You dye the egg blue, but you want to be
> different, so you stick the egg in the red dye. But you're not happy with
> that so you keep on sticking it in differet colored dye. Before you know it
> that egg doesn't have one part that's still blue. And you miss that damn
> blue egg.
Like I said. I can always put in my This Mortal Coil cd. I always have my
blue egg. I just don't want a whole damn basket full of the same fucking
blue egg.
oddlystrange
(who doesn't like easter eggs anyhow)
Deviancy
"oddlystrange" <pe...@obscure.org> wrote in message
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> still just as appealing as it was to me the first time I heard it. But
> when I hear someone else simply copycatting the art created by others, I'm
> just not interested. And at this point, I'm not hearing anything that
> screams wonderment out of most of the "goth" bands.
Copycatting the art, hrmm. That depends on what you call copying, being
influenced by and being a copy are two different things. Plus we may have
gone full circle with what we can do musically. No matter how fresh an
artist is, he or she is still going to sound somewhat similar to something
else. Ok, maybe i'm a dreamcrusher but that's how I see it. What an artist
can do is take from another artist and then go someplace further. Sure,
there are some bands that are quite happy with just stealing the style
completley and never move on but there are other artists who start out like
another band and then go someplace else. And even if they don't there is
still going to be some difference that makes it interesting.
The Merry Thoughts sound alot like the sisters, but I prefer the lyrics that
the merry thoughts have. So basically they took the sound I liked and
created their own stories behind the sound that I like even better.
Look at comics... you have the usual superhero... Lets say Batman.... he's
moody he beats up bad guys and he's pissy because his parents were killed in
front of him. Then take Spiderman, he isn't as moody but he beats up bad
guys and he does this because his uncle was killed by a bad guy he didn't
stop. There are quite a few similarities but theres also some big
differences. This works with bands as well. I have to see an exact clone
of a band unless it's a tribute band.
> But it MUST grow. It must develop and be allowed to develop. If you
> stopped learning anything new as of the moment you read this sentence, I
> think you'd prolly be very bored of yourself in a few years.
Theres a hunger for the trad sound here and there though. Some people got
burnt out on the electro thing and miss the fotn thing so there are bands
out there who cater to those who miss that sound. Joy Division is never
going to come back and do shows or release new material, Ian Curtis is not
Tupac..... But their successors will be out there, doing shows, releasing
new albums, keeping the sound alive. Which is good enough for some but not
everyone.
Look at buttrawk, it's still out there, there are still new bands popping
up. Old bands coming back. etc. Look at Poison, they just released a new
disc a few months ago and it sold decently, the fans missed the sound and
bought the album. Meanwhile the band they kind of copied, Motley Crue, is
still around and selling discs today. Some people don't mind change as long
as it's very insignificant.... Others whine, I remember when Judas Priest
tried to throw in some synth on one of their albums. The fans were
outraged.
Look at Ac/dc and KMFDM, both bands released albums that sounded identical
year after year, yet they still maintained a fan base and sold quite well.
> Where do you think "goth" came from in the first place? Do you think it
> just one day spurted up. No, it was the culmination of someone who took
> the base of the history of mournful dirges, unlocked the secret behind why
> things like gregorian chants are both weighty and uplifting, and combined
> that with punk. He painted something that had never been seen.
I can't answer that one, there are multiple answers. Ranging from Ian
Astbury started it to Bauhaus invented it to this to that and ladeda...
I always like to think it came from a marriage between punk rock and metal,
but punk rock borrowed a lil from metal as it is, imo. So well.. hrmm...
> Like I said. I can always put in my This Mortal Coil cd. I always have my
> blue egg. I just don't want a whole damn basket full of the same fucking
> blue egg.
Well I had a blue egg, but I dropped it and it died... I had to find
another blue egg, only this time I got a few blue eggs, they just all have a
few spots of different colors. Works out better for me, but it's not for
everyone....