goth art
David Munger
JL> Greetings to the ecstatis masses of shiny happy goths!!;) What is,
JL> in your mind, the best piece of goth art you have ever seen? Any
JL> art piece will be accepted, but I prefer answers regarding pieces
JL> which may be seen in major galleries (so that we all may relate
JL> better:) ) Anyway, my $0.02: I thing Zim Zum by Anselm Kiefer
JL> (which last I checked was on display in the East Wing of the
JL> National Art Gallery, DC) is absolutely the gothest of goth in the
JL> world of art. Everybody else?
I'm sure 'The Scream' would qualify somewhere in there. BTW, have you
folks heard that said painting is missing? I heard something about the
anonymous thief's lawyers being in contact with the museum - or whatever
institution or individual owned the painting. The thief's LAWYERS!
Imagine that. My ancestors were Huns (before they settled down in Wales
and dear old Ireland for hundreds of years). If they had had lawyers
perhaps they'd be in better shape now. Might even exist!
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PS: As long as I'm off the topic, I noticed several folks talking about
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Celtic folk music as well. Anybody else here a fan of the Green Linnett
label, etc.?
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Joel McLemore
IMO, the best "gothic" painting is The Triumph of Death by Brueghel
the Elder [ms?]. It portrays a town where the people are being
murdered in various ways by skeletons [probably an allegory for the
Black Death]. The painting has a lot of detail in it, and when I was
a child I would stare at it for hours. I don't know what gallery it's
in, though. I had a book with a picture of the painting in it when I
was young.
Joel
JOHN E. LANGSDORF
art piece will be accepted, but I prefer answers regarding pieces which may
be seen in major galleries (so that we all may relate better:) )
Anyway, my $0.02: I thing Zim Zum by Anselm Kiefer (which last I
checked was on display in the East Wing of the National Art Gallery, DC) is
absolutely the gothest of goth in the world of art.
Everybody else?
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John Parker
Limited reproduction is availaable, but not much in colour.
It is (or was) 'Medicine' by Gustav Klimt. If you have never seen Gustav Klimt,
he was a contemporary of Audbery Beardsly(sp?) and a master of the Art Nouveau
movement. He used gold leaf (not my favourite precious metal, but this man
showed what could be done with it) to great effect in all his works.
IMHO, of course
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Abstract Blue
churches in Denmark. You can see devils, demons eating people, nude girls
behaving like whores etc etc. Yes, at that time, the fantasy was amazing
and everything could be exposed. My favourite chalk-paint is from
'OsterLars' church on the small island, Bornholm, south of Sweden. Here
you see the amageddon is details, painted around 12th centuary. And the
roundchurch is an old fortress, connected with the Rosencreuzer, mysticism
about the crusaders etc... And the architecture of this church is weird,
like the sun shines through a small hole on 21th june and expose a hidden
panel, from which is the direction to Jerusalem etc etc. I wonder how they
managed to do that kind of geometical calculations at that time...
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I thought sexbat was supposed to the the unanimous best goth art ?
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amaranthine
>IMHO, of course
The artist you were trying to spell was Aubrey Beardsley, who was definitely
on the strange side.. He did a lot of 'erotic' and macabre drawings and
illustrations when he was young, but later gave it up and became a
born-again christian or something - on his deathbed, he asked that all of
his erotic illustrations be destroyed and 'all the bad ones too'...
Fortunately, his last wish wasn't carried out.
As for Klimt, he's another wonderful artist... I've got a couple of
paintings that I just finished that I realized are kind of in his style -
gotta stick the gold in there! :)
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In article <2lhfl8$87h$1...@perth.dialix.oz.au>, ches...@perth.DIALix.oz.au (John Parker) writes:
|> Unfortunately, the piece of art I would consider the best was destroyed...
|> Limited reproduction is availaable, but not much in colour.
|>
|> It is (or was) 'Medicine' by Gustav Klimt. If you have never seen Gustav Klimt,
|> he was a contemporary of Audbery Beardsly(sp?) and a master of the Art Nouveau
|> movement. He used gold leaf (not my favourite precious metal, but this man
|> showed what could be done with it) to great effect in all his works.
It truly is unfortunate that his series of paintings (`Medicine', `Justice' and `Philosophy') were
destroyed and only exist through photographs. It is also unfortunate that he is most well known for
`The Kiss'. Everytine I see that painting I just want to drag razorblades across my arms. That painting
should be banned from all university campuses. Incidentally, comparing him to Beardsley is hardly a
compliment.
Thomas
TJ HARVEY
(especially work by Rosetti or Bryn-Jones)
The stuff at the Tate in London is worth a look!!!
L.Armstrong
hiya,
hmm, H.G.Gigers work is absolutly amazing and well worth mentioning.....i have a few bits of poster art of his stuff...danzig III-how the god kill is one and it look awsome on my wall. Right next to an A1 full head shot of anthony hopkins as hanable lector, with face mask...all in black and white....truely grusome...above the bed too !...
Lee
p.s. would certainly make a burgalar (or girl friend !) think twice...ha ha ha
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night-time scenes - lots of atmospheric moon-lit streets, with the odd
solitary, cowled figure lurking somewhere in the shadow of the trees...
(A lot of his paintings are of Leeds' streets, too...)
And at the other end of the interpretational scale, you can't beat a
decent bit of Bacon!
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>>Unfortunately, the piece of art I would consider the best was destroyed...
>>Limited reproduction is availaable, but not much in colour.
>
>>It is (or was) 'Medicine' by Gustav Klimt. If you have never seen Gustav Klimt,
>>he was a contemporary of Audbery Beardsly(sp?) and a master of the Art Nouveau
>>movement. He used gold leaf (not my favourite precious metal, but this man
>>showed what could be done with it) to great effect in all his works.
I once saw some work from.... er... I've forgotten the name, perhaps
someone else can recognize it -- his last name was Freiderich (sp?) And his
first was something like "casper" although, that is wrong, and possibly not
even close to his first name. So I suck, what of it?
His painings were wonderfully goth though. One was of a collapsed church
surrounded by old oak trees drowning in mist... could you ask for more in one
painting?
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pop...@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Harbinger of Sorrow) writes:
> I once saw some work from.... er... I've forgotten the name, perhaps
> someone else can recognize it -- his last name was Freiderich (sp?) And his
> first was something like "casper" although, that is wrong, and possibly not
> even close to his first name. So I suck, what of it?
> His painings were wonderfully goth though. One was of a collapsed church
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> surrounded by old oak trees drowning in mist... could you ask for more in one
> painting?
This is a wonderful misspelling!
-Gina
Sebastian Florian Mix
> I once saw some work from.... er... I've forgotten the name, perhaps
>someone else can recognize it -- his last name was Freiderich (sp?) And his
>first was something like "casper" although, that is wrong, and possibly not
>even close to his first name. So I suck, what of it?
> His painings were wonderfully goth though. One was of a collapsed church
>surrounded by old oak trees drowning in mist... could you ask for more in one
>painting?
You mean Caspar David Friedrich, 1774-1840, I guess -
yes, he was definitely on the goth side of art,
one of his favorite pastimes were long countryside walks
during nightly storms.
Similar in style would be Arnold Boecklin, 1827-1901 -
see if you can get hold of a reproduction of one of
his "Toteninsel" paintings, or perhaps of a printing
of H.R. Gigers "Hommage `a Boecklin", very nice.
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> hmm, H.G.Gigers work is absolutly amazing and well worth mentioning.....i have >a few bits of poster art of his stuff..
Erm. I saw some of his stuff, bit bloody rude if you ask me!
MjL
Michael Lewis
>someone else can recognize it -- his last name was Freiderich (sp?) And his
>first was something like "casper" although, that is wrong, and possibly not
>even close to his first name. So I suck, what of it?
etc etc
I phoned my Mum on this one. Its definitely Casper David Friedrich. Romantic
German artist, his mother died when he was young (btw) (I think! please correct
me if mistaken).
MjL
Satya Palani
: Greetings to the ecstatis masses of shiny happy goths!!;)
: What is, in your mind, the best piece of goth art you have ever seen? Any
: art piece will be accepted, but I prefer answers regarding pieces which may
: be seen in major galleries (so that we all may relate better:) )
Hmm... I'd say just about anything by Gustav Dore would qualify.. his
illustrations for the bible and of Dante's Inferno are simply
incredible..
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David Munger <david....@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us> wrote:
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>I'm sure 'The Scream' would qualify somewhere in there. BTW, have you
>folks heard that said painting is missing? I heard something about the
>anonymous thief's lawyers being in contact with the museum - or whatever
>institution or individual owned the painting. The thief's LAWYERS!
>Imagine that. My ancestors were Huns (before they settled down in Wales
>and dear old Ireland for hundreds of years). If they had had lawyers
>perhaps they'd be in better shape now. Might even exist!
>
Yes, E. Munch is a great painter. He has lost of other paintings worth to
be mentioned, try to seek out his works. Yes, 'the scream' is missing, and
the national norwegian museum of art (I presume they own it) cannot pay
the $1.100.000 in ransom... So....
Another good story.. Have you ever seen the photo of the 'little mermaid'
from copenhagen, when some people sawed off her head in 1963? That is very
neat looking.
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any are there any books or pictures of these drawings or do we have to
hike all the way out there to see these nifty pictures?
-Kristin
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Jan Vandenbergh
I remember a painting, I think it was in the National Gallery
in London (correct me if I'm wrong - I want to see it again),
of Ophelia in the stream( dont know if the name is really ophelia,
anyway it's the girl that drowns and floats face up down the stream)
- it's by an english artist I believe.
I really like that painting. Anyone know this one?
BTW,I went to see Nosferatu here in Belgium a few weeks ago, in a
small place called Waregem. Support acts were Jacquy Bitch (what a
strange name, from France - early 80's wave/goth ala Virgin Prunes,
Alien Sex Fiend) and The Breath of Life (Belgian - very good, wavy,
female vocals). Nosferatu was ok, but the new signer is awful,
kindof Gary Glitter or so. Yuck.
bj
VampLestat
>I thought sexbat was supposed to the the unanimous best goth art ?
But have any of us actually seen any of his work? I'm more than a bit
curious... :) [god, this sexbat adoration is getting outta hand... ]
oh, and a random hello to the lurking alt.gother from CalPoly SLO
that I met at Helter last night... drop me a note.
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>JOHN E. LANGSDORF (LANGSDORFJE96%CS...@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil) wrote:
>: What is, in your mind, the best piece of goth art you have ever seen?
18th-century artist Henry Fuseli's "Nightmare" paintings.
In Shadows,
Gossamer (a.k.a. Daniel)...
Matt Bocci
I rather like a pre-raph style painting in the Louvre in Paris by Delaroche (sp?).
Can't remember the exact name - "Le Petit Jeunes" (my French spelling is awful) - but
I think the English translation is "The Young Martyr". Basically it's set at dusk
and is a painting of a girl in a white dress (model: Sexbat? :)) floating face up
in a lake. She's got a halo (oh, can't be Sexbat then :)), I think, and her wrists
are bound with cord. There's a knight standing in the background, outlined against
the glow of the sky, who looks like he came to look for her but was obviously too
late. Anyway, a poster of this now occupies pride of place in my living room.
Matt
David Munger
AB> Another good story.. Have you ever seen the photo of the 'little
AB> mermaid' from copenhagen, when some people sawed off her head in
AB> 1963? That is very neat looking.
Nope. Hey, how about the dark and brooding "Dogs Playing Poker."
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And John William Waterhouse! Can't forget him!
What about Mucha? That's more art-deco, but I really like some of his
stuff..
Maria Montgomery
: Bosh is goth. Alma Tadema is goth, or is that too much light?
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Orion Wilson
>>I thought sexbat was supposed to the the unanimous best goth art ?
>But have any of us actually seen any of his work? I'm more than a bit
>curious... :) [god, this sexbat adoration is getting outta hand... ]
actually, the adoration is worse than you think.
I didn't say that sexbat DID the best art, i said that sexbat ** the best art.
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: What is, in your mind, the best piece of goth art you have ever seen?
I have to mention Pirinesi's Carceri series. They are really
cool ink drawings of huge prisons with ant-like people trodding about!
Not to get too mainstream on any of you, but my absolute fave is
Vincent van Gogh. I really like "Starry Night" -- cypress tress=death.
He was a very depressed guy (see his blue self-portiats) and ended up
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|> I once saw some work from.... er... I've forgotten the name, perhaps
|> someone else can recognize it -- his last name was Freiderich (sp?) And his
|> first was something like "casper" although, that is wrong, and possibly not
|> even close to his first name. So I suck, what of it?
|> His painings were wonderfully goth though. One was of a collapsed church
|> surrounded by old oak trees drowning in mist... could you ask for more in one
|> painting?
|> --
Friedrich is truly amazing. Solitary figures on magestic peaks. A shored boat
enveloped in fog. But the one image the you speak is really too beautiful for
words. A slow precession from a collapsed gothic cathedral in the snow.
Alas, this was one of the works destroyed in World War II, so you'll never see
the grandeur of it. (I think the original was 6x8 feet) It is, however,
frequently anthologized in History of Art textbooks. Do yourself a favor and
find a copy. Truly haunting.
I'm curious if anyone has seen the Dali painting "The Life of Mary Magdeline."
It's nothing like his other work - very expressive, with loose, less formalistic
strokes.
I've been looking at some B&W flower photography by the late Robert
Mapplethorpe. I don't know any other photographer who can convey such a
sensation of longing from a simple image of an orchid. Sigh.
Do keep this discussion going. I don't think I can use many of the makeup
hints about.
Darryl
Matt Bocci
In article <11665.2...@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us> david....@cccbbs.cincinnati.oh.us (David Munger) writes:
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>AB> Another good story.. Have you ever seen the photo of the 'little
>AB> mermaid' from copenhagen, when some people sawed off her head in
>AB> 1963? That is very neat looking.
>
No. But I've seen the real thing. Rather titchy and unimpressive in real life :)
Matt
Christina Leicht
wern...@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>Yes, E. Munch is a great painter. He has lost of other paintings worth to
>be mentioned, try to seek out his works. Yes, 'the scream' is missing,
and
>the national norwegian museum of art (I presume they own it) cannot pay
>the $1.100.000 in ransom... So....
I heard the story this way: The thief had stolen the painting in order to
demand TV air time to vent his (I have to assume it was a man) opinion
regarding the fact that the abortion laws in Norway had been loosened.
Got this information from someone who watched the whole Olympic thing.
The story got lost in the Olympic hoopla here.
What a great discussion! Nice to see something here besides the proper
application of eyeliner and blue hair dye. Any thoughts on photographers
I should check out (besides Mapplethorpe)?
H.R. Giger, Mucha, van Gogh, Munch great stuff. Really like the begining
of the Renaissance period too (Durher-can't remember how to spell it).
Everyone was fairly obsessed with the end of the world.
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leitmotif for the movie _Gothic_. It also looks pretty damn good in
monochrome on black leather.
paul
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Nic Gibson
deal of his stuff, but some of the stuff I have seen struck me as pretty
misogynistic. Did anyone else think this or am I just reading things into it?
Nic
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gallery, not the National Gallery. Its by John Millais.
What about Jose de Ribera? He had a show in the Met (in ny) last year
that included some very gory and dark pictures. one that particularly
stands out in my mind is a picture of john the baptist's head on a
platter. there were also some beautiful pencil sketches.
In terms of modern art, Franz Klein? Very powerful and angry
paintings...
Max Beckmann? ... lots of grim characters there.
(also "bosh" is spelled bosch,(hieronymus))
-Isis
Ivo Mischke
>I've always preferred Henry Fuseli. "The Nightmare," after all, was the
>leitmotif for the movie _Gothic_. It also looks pretty damn good in
>monochrome on black leather.
>paul
Ah, but don't forget "Titania and Bottom", a very dark piece that used to
hang at Tate Gallery, London, UK. I used to stand in front of it for hours
back in the 80s. Haven't been there since 1985. Does anyone know if it's
still there?
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> great deal of his stuff, but some of the stuff I have seen struck me as
> pretty misogynistic. Did anyone else think this or am I just reading
> things into it?
No, it is. I.e. there's a version of "Satan" where ye olde deviel
himself is holding a slingshot made from a woman. (There's another
version where's the slingshot's Christ, IMHO much better :-) ) I like
lots of his stuff, but the other third appeals not tom me.
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