Re: Se7en
Peter H. Coffin
> [6] I'm pleased that the fascist 'Scottish Defence League' (many of
> them just bussed in from England) who took it upon themselves to
> demonstrate outside a mosque in our city on Saturday were so quickly
> sent packing, but even though there were onlya few dozen of them, it's
> sad that there should be any, and that so many white Glaswegians seem
> now to be talking in terms of 'us' and 'them' when it comes to their
> Asian neighbours. Some openly racist cunt told me I wouldn't think the
> way I do if mine were the only 'white household' on the street, but
> actually, I think it very nearly is, and I have many excellent
> neighbours whom I really like; I just don't get that separatism thing.
I'm not very impressed with my white neighbors. The nearest ones moved
out in some kind of perverse solidarity with a further-down set getting
evicted for non-payment of rent. In the other direction, herself had
her brothers pickup truck towed away, after it's sat in thier driveway
for five months while said brother has been tucked away in the county
lock-up for assaulting her eldest son. (It's something of a habit;
he was on probation for something similar and out on a work-release
program, ostensibly employed by that sister to odd jobs and keep the
house up. Whether he did that or not, I don't know. He did spend on the
evicted neighbor's front stoop, drinking beer with her from late morning
on, or wandering behind the house, peering over the fence into my
landlady's garden.)
In comparison, the Latin neighbors are mostly quiet, with well-organized
and well-marshalled children, and their social release seems to be
a weekly party and barbeque with the extended relations on Sunday
afternoon. They drift away or inside when the sun goes down, so it's
hard to complain about an afternoon of revelry that doesn't actually
interfere with anything. I'd prefer a whole block of the merry Martinez
over Peeping Todd.
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whisky-dave
"Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> [1] It's that time of year again, when I have to begin my day by
> hugging the computer to get it warm enough to start, and then my fingers
> go so numb and white that I can hardly type. I am going to need to find
> help to get a heater back into my study. I used to think that one day I
> might escape from this and enjoy the comforts other people take for
> granted, but now I don't really expect ever to have that kind of money;
> but no matter - if I cannot get all the things I might want for myself,
> I can still be useful to others.
Perhaps you're not classed as being at work, as the (Health , safety, and
welfare) regulations 1992 section 7, states that the minium practical
temerature
is 16C (~60F) unless your job involves a lot of activity then it can be
13C.
The only other exclusions are those when you're working in a refrigerated
environment
due to your job. There's no maximum temperature AFAIK not that it's likely
to
occur in Glasgow.
> [2] I'm busy this week with work for Transgender Day of Remembrance.
> I'm glad that Trans Media Watch is developing well,
Is there a webcam like there is on Spring watch and autumn watch ?
> [6] I'm pleased that the fascist 'Scottish Defence League' (many of
> them just bussed in from England) who took it upon themselves to
> demonstrate outside a mosque in our city on Saturday were so quickly
> sent packing, but even though there were onlya few dozen of them, it's
> sad that there should be any, and that so many white Glaswegians seem
> now to be talking in terms of 'us' and 'them' when it comes to their
> Asian neighbours. Some openly racist cunt told me I wouldn't think the
> way I do if mine were the only 'white household' on the street, but
> actually, I think it very nearly is, and I have many excellent
> neighbours whom I really like; I just don't get that separatism thing.
Isn;t it a government/council driven thing.
We have Barking and Dagenham down here with the BNP standing for election.
When are people going to realise it's the fact that this and previous
governments have
done nothing but separate people. In LBWF we now have over 80 different
churches
to make sure we divide everyone and not a single cinema or venue where
people
can mix, everyone but the 'indigenous' population have their own building(s)
and religious and cultural centres. So I can understand why the BNP etc...
are gaining ground, it's the corruption and or incompetence of the councils
over the last 3 decades at least.
>
> [7] I must apologise for the very slow progress of my Whitby review
> this year. It will be ready at some point, I promise!
I'll forgive you, whether or not my God will is another matter ;-)
Dark Phoenix
"Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> [3] Lately I am being required to review far too many inane films.
Isn't that pretty much all that's out there now? 'Course, you may get better
stuff over there than the drivel Hollywood pukes up here.
--
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"To destroy the Western tradition of independent thought, it is not
necessary to burn books. All we have to do is leave them unread for a couple
of generations."
--Robert Maynard Hutchens.
Elder
"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk says...
> Some openly racist cunt told me I wouldn't think the
> way I do if mine were the only 'white household' on the street, but
> actually, I think it very nearly is, and I have many excellent
> neighbours whom I really like;
>
Got told about the area I was looking for a flat in "White people don't
live there, students don't go there".
I was a white student and it was one of the best places I lived, but I
made an effort to fit and be polite. Neighbours one side, an asian
family, on the other, a mixed bunch students who moved in a year after
us (Asian, White English, Irish and Black), and upstairs a older black
bloke who was always good for a laugh when we bumped into each other.
Rest of the neighbour hood was majority muslim, very near to the main
Mosque, but the synagogue was just around the corner too, and the
elderly muslin group shared facilities and sessions with the Jewish
Elders society. On the same street as that centre, there was an Indian
gold shop, 2 west indian takeaways, and an irish take away. Plus I was
less than 5 minutes away from 3 of the best curries I've ever had, from
what looked like typical greasy spoon cafes from the outside.
--
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> In comparison, the Latin neighbors are mostly quiet, with well-organized
> and well-marshalled children, and their social release seems to be
> a weekly party and barbeque with the extended relations on Sunday
> afternoon. They drift away or inside when the sun goes down, so it's
> hard to complain about an afternoon of revelry that doesn't actually
> interfere with anything. I'd prefer a whole block of the merry Martinez
> over Peeping Todd.
Same as here, actually. The Latinos generally seem to be decent families.
The older white residents tend towards generic trash with amazingly poor
parenting skills.
I love it when the homes are bought by the Latinos. They go from being rat
shacks to well-maintaned homes. I'm also getting culturally attuned to the
idea of tangerine being a color for a house. First repainting job I was a
little hmmm... but it was definitely better that it was actually painted.
Now I'm just used to it. Viva Vegas!
~Fi, they probably all wish that these gabachos over here would get around
to finishing the landscaping.
Peter H. Coffin
> ~Fi, they probably all wish that these gabachos over here would get around
> to finishing the landscaping.
It's a desert recovery project! Yeah! That's it...
The Geek gets grumpy when I refer to the lack of mowing on the slope
behind ours as "prairie restoration".
--
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sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there.
Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the
computer will ask, 'Specify type of goat.' -- Rich Jeni
Jennie Kermode
> Perhaps you're not classed as being at work, as the (Health , safety, and
> welfare) regulations 1992 section 7, states that the minium practical
> temerature is 16C (~60F) unless your job involves a lot of activity
> then it can be 13C.
Unfortunately that doesn't apply to home offices - at least
I hope it doesn't, or I'll be unemployed for four months of the year.
The windowframes are rotting so heat leaks out of this place really
badly and there's nothing we can do about it. They're not yet dangerous
enough for the Environmental Health people to be able to intervene. My
energy company has offered me free cavity wall insulation or loft
insulation because I'm disabled, but neither is appropriate for my
building, and they won't do anything about my windows.
> There's no maximum temperature AFAIK not that it's likely to
> occur in Glasgow.
That's interesting, isn't it? It's probably something which
will need to be amended fairly soon, the way things are going. I
wouldn't fancy working in, say, the deeper tunnels of the London
Underground in summer, even if I were healthy.
>> [2] I'm busy this week with work for Transgender Day of Remembrance.
>> I'm glad that Trans Media Watch is developing well,
> Is there a webcam like there is on Spring watch and autumn watch ?
No, but maybe there should be. We could point at a different
tabloid newspaper office each day and whoever had misbehaved most could
get to be famous.
> We have Barking and Dagenham down here with the BNP standing for election.
They just got close to five percent in Glasgow North East, in
the by-election - not that there was much of a turnout. I found myself
in the odd position of cheering on the Tories who pipped them to third
place. A local disabled lesbian woman took Nick Griffin on about the
BNP's homophobia and he got really flustered, suddenly trying to claim
that he's everybody's best friend, muttering about how he has no problem
with what people do in the privacy of their own homes. Could he not
restrict himself to being a cunt in the privacy of his?
> When are people going to realise it's the fact that this and previous
> governments have done nothing but separate people.
I don't think that's quite as bad here, but it's certainly a
factor. Our council made a big show of integrating asylum seekers, but
that meant integrating them into poor neighbourhoods where people already
struggling to find employment and access social funds are likely to feel
most aggrieved, and where middle class people don't actually have to see
them. Plus, given how poor transport services to those areas are, it's
really hard for the new people to participate in city cultural events
like art projects and sports, which might otherwise help them to become
a part of things.
> In LBWF we now have over 80 different churches to make sure we divide
> everyone and not a single cinema or venue where people can mix,
That sounds pretty depressing. Here the churches have
actually been very good, though it is said that people sometimes get
asked whether they're Protestant Muslims or Catholic Muslims...
> So I can understand why the BNP etc... are gaining ground, it's the
> corruption and or incompetence of the councils over the last 3 decades
> at least.
There's certainly plenty of corruption here. That's what you
get from century-long single party dominance. :(
Jennie
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whisky-dave
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>
> "Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>> [3] Lately I am being required to review far too many inane films.
>
> Isn't that pretty much all that's out there now? 'Course, you may get
> better stuff over there than the drivel Hollywood pukes up here.
And it gets puked up over here too.
Not that I know how to grade a film or whether I could decide for others,
I've little idea how jennie does this or who the reviews are aimed at.
I've a gay acquaintance that claims to only watch art films, and no I
didn't; give him
the opportunity to give me his definition of an 'art film' he obviously
thought himself
as having a superior intellect to be so choosy.
The last film I saw was the new Star Trek, which I'd give 8 out of 10 as a
Sci-Fi flim
and 4.5 out of 10 as a Star Trek film.
I've no idea how I'd grade a low budget film such as the one that cost �45
to make.
moonglow minnow
1 - Washing my hair has become a significant achievement. So has drying
it, or honestly raising my arms above my shoulders. I don't think I like
what this implies.
2 - I don't know if I'll be able to keep focus enough to get to seven.
3 - My typing skills are suffering too. Slow and full of typos that I
wouldn't catch without Thunderbird's spell check.
4 - I can manage two significant achievements a day. I've already burned
one by washing my hair. Fsck.
5 - And the rat cages still need cleaning. The bunny cage can wait until
Friday.
6 - It's interesting to see my nail beds go from pink to purple as I go
from hot shower to adjusting to 'normal' ambient temperature. It's not
so interesting to feel them going numb and clumsy.
7 - Please, for the love of any God who might listen, don't be
autoimmune this time.
Maeve >^..^<
--
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/minnow/
whisky-dave
> On 2009-11-18, moonglow minnow <tahee...@charter.net.invalid> wrote:
>> 1 - Washing my hair has become a significant achievement. So has drying
>> it, or honestly raising my arms above my shoulders. I don't think I like
>> what this implies.
>
> can wear me out for most of a day. Fortunately the general temperature
> here means it's not necessary to do it every day.
Not sure where and when but I recently heard bad things about showers,
something
to do with nasty bacteria living/breeding in the showerhead due to the nice
warm
temperature after a shower. The advice was to leave the shower on hot for
10-15 mins
before showering which meant that showers weren;t necessarily more energy or
water
efficient than baths.
whisky-dave
> budget. It would be unprofessional for us to be kind. ;)
I wonder if I can say that when instructing students.
Now sit down, shut up and get on with it :-)
moonglow minnow
> On 2009-11-18, moonglow minnow <tahee...@charter.net.invalid> wrote:
>> it, or honestly raising my arms above my shoulders. I don't think I like
>> what this implies.
>
> can wear me out for most of a day. Fortunately the general temperature
> here means it's not necessary to do it every day.
Fortunately I can still manage the 'sit down and rinse' sort of shower
without much drain, and that tends to work most days, but sometimes my
hair just really needs washed and that takes up about half of my day's
'big stuff' energy now. I'm afraid that the doctor visit today will take
up the rest. Cleaning a cage takes all of it. I think I need to train
someone on how to clean the bedroom cage when I'm unable to.
> My flatmate's rats often have their cage out in the hall now,
> so that they don't wake her up by banging their water dish against the
> bars when they're bored. It's a good arrangement. I love spending time
> with them. They like being where they can see other people and where
> they can watch visitors coming in and out of the house.
I love how curious rats are. That, and the feeling of half a dozen
little rats swarming your hands to groom them is absolutely wonderful.
After I get the cages clean my rats will be getting some crinkly brown
packing paper as a treat. I won't be able to sleep well for a few
nights, but their fascination with it is worth it.
>> 7 - Please, for the love of any God who might listen, don't be
>> autoimmune this time.
>
> Some autoimmune things are actually pretty easy to treat,
> though I know you haven't had much luck with that in the past.
I feel like I lucked out with celiac. All I had to do was change my
diet, and life got better. Unfortunately, there's a really high rate of
celiacs having at least one other autoimmune disorder, and given the
symptoms it seems to be... complicated. I guess I'm still a bit freaked
out about my body possibly attacking itself again when I thought I was
in the clear.
Peter H. Coffin
What foolishness.... If the germs are going to wash out onto you,
they're going to wash out in the first second or two. If they haven't
by then, they're not going to wash out of the showerhead in ten minutes
either.
--
"'I'm not sleeping with a jr. high schooler! I have a life-sized doll
that looks like one.' Uh huh. That sounds SO much less pathetic."
-- Piro's Conscience www.megatokyo.com
Dark Phoenix
> On 2009-11-17, Dark Phoenix <dark_p...@netw.com> wrote:
>> Isn't that pretty much all that's out there now? 'Course, you may get
>> better
>> stuff over there than the drivel Hollywood pukes up here.
>
> in the 'States, too - the problem is that a lot of people only have
> access to multiplexes which don't show them. The regulations concerning
> this sort of thing are lax or absent across most of the 'States and your
> have very little state support for independent cinema, so big companies
> basically have a stranglehold on distribution - they won't offer access
> to their big popular films unless the multuiplexes agree not to deal
> with independents.
That's what we've got here- one small theater with I think five mini-cinamas
in it (and I *do* mean mini). Mainline stuff only.
> This year has actually been very good for film in general,
> some of the highlights being 'Il Divo', 'Not Quite Hollywood', 'Let the
> Right One In', 'Tony Manero', 'Coraline', 'Fermat's Room', 'Synecdoche,
> New York', 'The Hide', 'Anything for Her', 'Moon', 'Antichrist',
> 'District 9', 'Fish Tank', 'Triangle' and 'Pontypool'.
Of that list, the only one that played locally was 'Coraline'. But if I'm
lucky, the library will have access to some of those. Thakns for the list.
Dark Phoenix
"whisky-dave" <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote in message
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Not to mention the shower being a very cold one for those without vastly
huge water heaters.
Elder
"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk says...
> I remember once I went to look at a flat in a neighbourhood I
> wasn't sure about (I didn't end up taking it, but only because finances
> fell through) and I was relieved when the family living there turned out
> to be Pakistani; there were Asian neighbours, too. I immediately felt
> safer. In areas where non-whites feel safe, it's generally safe for
> queers, too, and for people whose appearance might mark them out for
> aggression in 'nice' neighbourhoods.
>
Mixed up world isn't it. Bury Park in Luton is about as close to a
Ghetto as you can get outside of a city.
But it is such a strong community it is incredible. I know as the white
student "Christian" bloke I was on the outside edge, but I was never
rejected, always welcomed. Plus there was always a good supply of cheap
fresh fruit and veg from the local shops, as there was at least a dozen
of what would be called Ethnic delis in London.
A little scruffy inside and out, but you could everything from fresh and
dried food(meat, fish, and veg), cigarettes, and even face cream that
could lighten your skin but contained mercury, but no alcohol obviously.
Nyx
wrote:
> "Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:slrnhg86qe.5e6...@laocoon.triffid.demon.co.uk...
>
> > On 2009-11-18, moonglow minnow <taheenah...@charter.net.invalid> wrote:
> >> 1 - Washing my hair has become a significant achievement. So has drying
> >> it, or honestly raising my arms above my shoulders. I don't think I like
> >> what this implies.
>
> > I hear you on that. Showering is a big project for me now and
> > can wear me out for most of a day. Fortunately the general temperature
> > here means it's not necessary to do it every day.
>
> Not sure where and when but I recently heard bad things about showers,
> something
> to do with nasty bacteria living/breeding in the showerhead due to the nice
> warm
> temperature after a shower. The advice was to leave the shower on hot for
> 10-15 mins
> before showering which meant that showers weren;t necessarily more energy or
> water
> efficient than baths.
Actually the advice was to change to the older metal shower heads. The
bacteria grows on plastic, but has a harder time growing on metal.
Nyx
Nyx
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:07:11 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:
> > "Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie
> > Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:slrnhg86qe.5e6...@laocoon.triffid.demon.co.uk...
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> 1 - Washing my hair has become a significant achievement. So has
> >>> drying it, or honestly raising my arms above my shoulders. I don't
> >>> think I like what this implies.
>
> >> I hear you on that. Showering is a big project for me now
> >> and can wear me out for most of a day. Fortunately the general
> >> temperature here means it's not necessary to do it every day.
>
> > Not sure where and when but I recently heard bad things about showers,
> > something to do with nasty bacteria living/breeding in the showerhead
> > due to the nice warm temperature after a shower. The advice was to
> > leave the shower on hot for 10-15 mins before showering which meant
> > that showers weren;t necessarily more energy or water efficient than
> > baths.
>
> What foolishness.... If the germs are going to wash out onto you,
> they're going to wash out in the first second or two. If they haven't
> by then, they're not going to wash out of the showerhead in ten minutes
> either.
>
Yeah, that's the other place Dave got it wrong. I believe the time to
run the shower to make it safe was a couple of minutes.
The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face. They cause
respiratory problems. Which is why so many people seem to have coughs
that won't go away.
Nyx
moonglow minnow
> The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
> turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face. They cause
> respiratory problems. Which is why so many people seem to have coughs
> that won't go away.
Who would? with the plumbing in this area, at least, stepping under the
shower and then turning it on will give you a blast of the cold water
that's been sitting in the pipes since the last time the shower's been
used. It's common practice here to at least turn the showerhead away
from one's body and face until the water warms up.
Panurge
2) I'm trying to put together a cover band (at the request of a club
booker), and I went over to our bassist's house last night to catch him
up. I brought my new Rickenbacker 4003 bass, and he remarked that he
really liked the sight of someone with a pattern of self-denial finally
*splurging*. He said something like, "If you just get everything you
want right when you want it, you don't appreciate any of it."
3) I almost have enough cash on hand to buy my condo outright; at least
I should within a year. Should I renovate, and put that day off by
possibly another year? See point #2.
4) I had this idea of buying a "new" car every year or two; now I'm due.
Should I wait another year until the 2011s come out (which I might
rather have)? See points #2 and 3.
5) Take a damn walk and lose some razzin-frazzin' weight!, he said to
himself.
6) I need new colors and fabrics! See points #2 and #3!
7) New motto, per piano virtuoso Gary Graffman: "I really should be
practicing."
-
Bleah. This all looks so inconsequential next to Jennie's list. Now
you know why I've never participated in it to any great degree.
But it doesn't mean I *thuck*. ;-)
--
"He who wishes to go beyond it must die."
--Arnold Schoenberg, on Gustav Mahler's Ninth Symphony
Jeff Blanks
Talking with my bass player friend again...he mentioned that his father
rarely mentioned his family. I noted that we can trace one line of our
ancestry about three hundred years. It made me stop to think about just
how few families can do that (to say nothing of carrying on a
half-century tradition of two reunions a year--alas, down from three).
--
"When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it."
--Anton Chekhov
The Exiled, V.2
> 3) I almost have enough cash on hand to buy my condo outright; at least
> I should within a year. Should I renovate, and put that day off by
> possibly another year? See point #2.
Buy it outright. Make yourself secure with your property, giving
yourself a collateral that can be used later on if necessary. As long as
you can afford the necessary taxes and such, having the property well in
hand is a good idea.
> 4) I had this idea of buying a "new" car every year or two; now I'm due.
> Should I wait another year until the 2011s come out (which I might
> rather have)? See points #2 and 3.
How is your current car doing.
> 5) Take a damn walk and lose some razzin-frazzin' weight!, he said to
> himself.
May I recommend looking up the 5BX fitness program that was once put out
by the Canadian military? Works quite well for the calorie burning and
doesn't take hardly any time to do.
> But it doesn't mean I *thuck*. ;-)
Only when invited to properly. ;)
--
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Regards,
The Exiled, V.2
“You are a lawyer, you ought to know the correlation of facts; you
ought to know that two and two make four, not sometimes but all the
time.”
- Professor Augustus S. F. X. Van Dusen, The 'Thinking Machine'
whisky-dave
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Then why do hospitals run sterilises for much longer and at higher
temperatures.
You don't serious think running a shower for a few minutes can kill all
bacteria
Even when using the anti-bacterial hand cleaners you should wash for more
than 5 minutes.
}The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
}turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face.
I don't know anyone that takes the first blast of water, as they can't be
sure
of the temprature.
}They cause respiratory problems. Which is why so many people seem to have
coughs
}that won't go away.
Yes that is true as most people when taking a shower wash their
head/hair/face first.
I think it''s the fact that the water gains quick access to the body
internally by
going in to the eyes, nose and mouth first.
But then I must admit when they say at tube stations to stand behind the
yellow
line I stand *well* behind the yellow line.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8366005.stm
Where I get on and tend to be standing for up to 10mins or so waiting for a
train that isn;t
packed to the point of stupidity.
I often wonder why some people are accident prone or tend to have more
accidents than me.
whisky-dave
>
> "Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On 2009-11-17, Dark Phoenix <dark_p...@netw.com> wrote:
>>> Isn't that pretty much all that's out there now? 'Course, you may get
>>> better
>>> stuff over there than the drivel Hollywood pukes up here.
>>
>> There are good films out all the time, and many of them show
>> in the 'States, too - the problem is that a lot of people only have
>> access to multiplexes which don't show them. The regulations concerning
>> this sort of thing are lax or absent across most of the 'States and your
>> have very little state support for independent cinema, so big companies
>> basically have a stranglehold on distribution - they won't offer access
>> to their big popular films unless the multuiplexes agree not to deal
>> with independents.
>
> That's what we've got here- one small theater with I think five
> mini-cinamas in it (and I *do* mean mini). Mainline stuff only.
>
>> This year has actually been very good for film in general,
>> some of the highlights being 'Il Divo', 'Not Quite Hollywood', 'Let the
>> Right One In', 'Tony Manero', 'Coraline', 'Fermat's Room', 'Synecdoche,
>> New York', 'The Hide', 'Anything for Her', 'Moon', 'Antichrist',
>> 'District 9', 'Fish Tank', 'Triangle' and 'Pontypool'.
>
> Of that list, the only one that played locally was 'Coraline'. But if I'm
> lucky, the library will have access to some of those. Thakns for the list.
I emailed them to a friend in Spain and he said he'd already seen most of
them
by downloading them, there was only one he hadn't heard of.
Not hat I'd advise people to illegally download movies, even if they don;t
have a local
cinema for a borough of around 300,000.
whisky-dave
"Panurge" <pan...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:panurge-B853DD...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net...
> 1) Expanding my range of club acquaintances, at least.
>
> 2) I'm trying to put together a cover band (at the request of a club
> booker),
I rarley see the point of cover bands.
> *splurging*. He said something like, "If you just get everything you
> want right when you want it, you don't appreciate any of it."
That's true, but I think his is refering to people where money is no object.
The likes of Paris Hilton etc..
> 3) I almost have enough cash on hand to buy my condo outright; at least
> I should within a year. Should I renovate, and put that day off by
> possibly another year? See point #2.
it should be a financial decision, how much interest will you save, is there
any early
payback clause where you have to pay an extra fee for paying back early ?
> 4) I had this idea of buying a "new" car every year or two; now I'm due.
> Should I wait another year until the 2011s come out (which I might
> rather have)? See points #2 and 3.
I use to have to get a new computer every 18 months, now it's down to every
3 years
as while they are a lot 'better' there's nto much more I can do or want to
do now so don't
need to upgrade so often. So unlike epitaphs this doesn't need to be written
in stone ;-)
But then my 6 month old iMac is only 24 inches the new ones are 27 inches
and we all know how much an extra 3 inches is worth.
>
> 6) I need new colors and fabrics! See points #2 and #3!
!!!! colours or even colors !!!!!, why not change sex while you're at it,
maybe religion too.
I thought you was a GOTH ???????????
Peter H. Coffin
> OK, fold #s 3 and 4 together and put this in as #4:
>
> Talking with my bass player friend again...he mentioned that his father
> rarely mentioned his family. I noted that we can trace one line of our
> ancestry about three hundred years. It made me stop to think about just
> how few families can do that (to say nothing of carrying on a
> half-century tradition of two reunions a year--alas, down from three).
I've got internet tracings back to around 1550 with documentation, and
people with the right name living in the right place since the 1300s.
(North edge of Devon, mostly. There's paperwork attributing a manor in
the area to a Richard Coffyn from Henry III.)
--
7. When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill
me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say,
"No." and shoot him. On second thought I'll shoot him then say "No."
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord
Peter H. Coffin
> "Nyx" <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c4ecf05a-17b1-4919...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com
> ... On Nov 18, 11:43 am, "Peter H. Coffin" <hell...@ninehells.com>
Not killing it. Just washing it down the drain, which is a much simpler
proposition. Water at tap-hot won't kill bacteria. Not unless your
boiler runs it to 90� or more.
> }The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
> }turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face.
>
> I don't know anyone that takes the first blast of water, as they can't
> be sure of the temprature.
Which is why it's of less concern than is worth the bother.
--
75. I will instruct my Legions of Terror to attack the hero en masse,
instead of standing around waiting while members break off and
attack one or two at a time.
Nyx
> "Nyx" <wayne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It's not to kill the bacteria. Warm water wouldn't do that anyway.
It's to dislodge them and force them out of the pipe. If you wanted to
kill them you would have to put it in an autoclave for a long time.
> }The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
> }turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face.
>
> I don't know anyone that takes the first blast of water, as they can't be
> sure
> of the temprature.
>
I used to. You turn on the bath taps to get your water the temp you
want and then you step in and turn on the shower. Which causes you to
receive a blast of germy water in the face.
It may be a cultural/ technical difference. Most American showers also
double as baths. Aren't UK showers a stand alone unit? We have those
but they aren't common. Even then they usually have a bath tap.
Also, I know people who take cold showers and they just step under
it.
Nyx
moonglow minnow
> people with autoimmune conditions find that they can stabilise on just
> one sort of medication and feel, if not perfect, at any rate vastly
> better than they did prior to treatment.
At least I don't expect to feel perfect. I'd gotten used to being
functional, though, and I'd really like that back. Sometime before
January would be ideal, as I'd like to complete the Drawing I process
with a particular instructor who may not be teaching here much longer,
but the pace of the investigative process has me losing hope. The
hoofbeats aren't leading to horses, and it's much harder (and more
expensive) to even look for zebras.
At least if it's diabetes (the current hypothesis) I'm used to giving
myself injections...
whisky-dave
> On 2009-11-18, whisky-dave <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>> "Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhg86ac.5e6...@laocoon.triffid.demon.co.uk...
>>> budget. It would be unprofessional for us to be kind. ;)
>
>> I wonder if I can say that when instructing students.
>
> sacked or sued). It's very hard to teach effectively without telling
> people frankly when they're getting things wrong.
Are you under the impression that we are here to teach.......
from what I can tell we're here to get them through their exams.
whisky-dave
Yes, but the bacteria doesn't just live in the shower head, well I don't
think it
does even if that's what the article implied.
A friend was mine was told to only clean his teach with drinking water
or mineral water for a week after he had some pretty serious dental work
done.
It' was something to do with what lives in the water tanks.
Not sure how the US water system works but in the UK most housholds
have drinking water, and the toilet and bathrooms are run from water tanks
in the
loft/atic where the water is stored. Only the mains input is classed as
drinking water.
> }The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
> }turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face.
>
> I don't know anyone that takes the first blast of water, as they can't be
> sure
> of the temprature.
>
}I used to. You turn on the bath taps to get your water the temp you
}want and then you step in and turn on the shower. Which causes you to
}receive a blast of germy water in the face.
Sounds like something that should be done in fetish clubs.
}It may be a cultural/ technical difference. Most American showers also
}double as baths. Aren't UK showers a stand alone unit?
I don't think so, most showers were after thoughts added to baths,
by butting a hose on the taps and putting a curtain rail around the bath,
although with larger more expensive houses you get stand alone showers and
Jacuzzis and
bedays (SP,arse washers)
}We have those
}but they aren't common. Even then they usually have a bath tap.
}Also, I know people who take cold showers and they just step under
}it.
I'm not sure if cold showers have less bacteria, I guess that depend on what
cold is.
My cold water is abotu 15C and the hot about 60-70C.
Peter H. Coffin
> "Nyx" <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eac80c04-4d3c-4936...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com
> ...
>
> }It's not to kill the bacteria. Warm water wouldn't do that anyway.
> }It's to dislodge them and force them out of the pipe. If you wanted
> }to kill them you would have to put it in an autoclave for a long
> }time.
>
> Yes, but the bacteria doesn't just live in the shower head, well I
> don't think it does even if that's what the article implied. A friend
> was mine was told to only clean his teach with drinking water or
> mineral water for a week after he had some pretty serious dental work
> done. It' was something to do with what lives in the water tanks. Not
> sure how the US water system works but in the UK most housholds have
> drinking water, and the toilet and bathrooms are run from water tanks
> in the loft/atic where the water is stored. Only the mains input is
> classed as drinking water.
If the water supply is clean, and the tank is clean when installed and
hooked up, where would bacteria come from? It's not like they can swim
upsteam when you open the tap...
[..]
> }Also, I know people who take cold showers and they just step under
> }it.
>
> I'm not sure if cold showers have less bacteria, I guess that depend
> on what cold is. My cold water is abotu 15C and the hot about 60-70C.
70C isn't enough to kill bacteria. When people boil water to sterilze
it, it gets 10-20 minutes at 100C. Water temperature would only matter
for the amount of time that you run the water. MOST of the time, the
showerhead sits at the same temperature as the room.
--
How about an Australian-language version? 'Your program just attempted
an illegal instruction. No worries, mate.'
-- Paul Tomblin
whisky-dave
"Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhgdbkf....@abyss.ninehells.com...
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:52:05 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:
>
>> "Nyx" <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eac80c04-4d3c-4936...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>>
>> }It's not to kill the bacteria. Warm water wouldn't do that anyway.
>> }It's to dislodge them and force them out of the pipe. If you wanted
>> }to kill them you would have to put it in an autoclave for a long
>> }time.
>>
>> Yes, but the bacteria doesn't just live in the shower head, well I
>> don't think it does even if that's what the article implied. A friend
>> was mine was told to only clean his teach with drinking water or
>> mineral water for a week after he had some pretty serious dental work
>> done. It' was something to do with what lives in the water tanks. Not
>> sure how the US water system works but in the UK most housholds have
>> drinking water, and the toilet and bathrooms are run from water tanks
>> in the loft/atic where the water is stored. Only the mains input is
>> classed as drinking water.
>
> If the water supply is clean,
Clean water does contain stuff, it's just not suposed to have and dangerous
stuff in it.
> and the tank is clean when installed and
> hooked up, where would bacteria come from? It's not like they can swim
> upsteam when you open the tap...
bacteria can come from virtually anywhere the tank isn;t sealed, it is
usualy open at the top.
If you've never looked in to one of them I suggest you do.
Mine is quite rusty having been up there for at least 30 years, there's lots
of cobwebs
Mine isn;t in the loft it's in a cupboard so there's not really enough water
pressure for a shower.
But most water tanks are in lofts in the UK, I've seen the one where I work
or rather many
years ago, rats had been found in it previously, but then we know it's not
suitable for drinking
it's OK for washing floors and other general purpose stuff.
http://www.diydoctor.org.uk/projects/Cold%20water%20systems.htm
>
> [..]
>> }Also, I know people who take cold showers and they just step under
>> }it.
>>
>> I'm not sure if cold showers have less bacteria, I guess that depend
>> on what cold is. My cold water is abotu 15C and the hot about 60-70C.
>
> 70C isn't enough to kill bacteria.
So they aren;t going to be killed in the shower head then, you'll have to
make sure
they have been dislodged throught your system/pipes.
I'm not sire how long you'd need to run the water to achieve that.
Also depending on how your waters heated mine is direct heating and stored
in a tank.
So there's no real way of other than empting all the how water out, then you
end up with a cold shower.
Other systems heat up the water when it's requred, so all you'd need to do
is to allow the water in the shower head(and maybe pipes) to be purged.
Legionella pneumophilia is interesting as the symptoms are very flu like,
and if they live between 20 to 45oC then I assume higher temperatures will
kill them.
Not sure about lower temperatures maybe it hibernates, but I'd say that a
lot of homes
might have water systems were this can live.
>When people boil water to sterilze
> it, it gets 10-20 minutes at 100C. Water temperature would only matter
> for the amount of time that you run the water. MOST of the time, the
> showerhead sits at the same temperature as the room.
yes and autoclaves run at about 117C but even that doesn't kill everything,
some exotherms can live at those temperatures, but luckily they tend not
to exist in the home water supply.
Peter H. Coffin
> "Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnhgdbkf....@abyss.ninehells.com...
>
>> 70C isn't enough to kill bacteria.
>
> So they aren;t going to be killed in the shower head then, you'll have
> to make sure they have been dislodged throught your system/pipes. I'm
> not sire how long you'd need to run the water to achieve that.
As previously mentioned, by me, to you, a few seconds is going to
dislodge all that are readily dislodged.
> Also depending on how your waters heated mine is direct heating and stored
> in a tank. So there's no real way of other than empting all the how
> water out, then you end up with a cold shower. Other systems heat up
> the water when it's requred, so all you'd need to do is to allow the
> water in the shower head(and maybe pipes) to be purged.
So there's no reason to bother running the shower 10 minutes to heat up
the shower head.
> Legionella pneumophilia is interesting as the symptoms are very flu like,
> and if they live between 20 to 45oC then I assume higher temperatures will
> kill them.
Probably not. That's the range that they thrive in. Warmer than that may
*eventually* kill them, but it's probably not going to happen in ten
minutes.
> Not sure about lower temperatures maybe it hibernates, but I'd say
> that a lot of homes might have water systems were this can live.
>
>>When people boil water to sterilze it, it gets 10-20 minutes at 100C.
>>Water temperature would only matter for the amount of time that you
>>run the water. MOST of the time, the showerhead sits at the same
>>temperature as the room.
>
> yes and autoclaves run at about 117C but even that doesn't kill
> everything, some exotherms can live at those temperatures, but luckily
> they tend not to exist in the home water supply.
So there's no point in bothering to try running the shower for 10
minutes before stepping in.
Focus, my boy, focus...
--
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases
to be serious when people laugh.
-- George Bernard Shaw
Nyx
> "Nyx" <wayne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > Not sure where and when but I recently heard bad things about showers,
> > > > something to do with nasty bacteria living/breeding in the showerhead
> > > > due to the nice warm temperature after a shower. The advice was to
> > > > leave the shower on hot for 10-15 mins before showering which meant
> > > > that showers weren;t necessarily more energy or water efficient than
> > > > baths.
>
> > > What foolishness.... If the germs are going to wash out onto you,
> > > they're going to wash out in the first second or two. If they haven't
> > > by then, they're not going to wash out of the showerhead in ten minutes
> > > either.
>
> > }Yeah, that's the other place Dave got it wrong. I believe the time to
> > }run the shower to make it safe was a couple of minutes.
>
> > Then why do hospitals run sterilises for much longer and at higher
> > temperatures.
> > You don't serious think running a shower for a few minutes can kill all
> > bacteria
> > Even when using the anti-bacterial hand cleaners you should wash for more
> > than 5 minutes.
>
> }It's not to kill the bacteria. Warm water wouldn't do that anyway.
> }It's to dislodge them and force them out of the pipe. If you wanted to
> }kill them you would have to put it in an autoclave for a long time.
>
> Yes, but the bacteria doesn't just live in the shower head, well I don't
> think it
> does even if that's what the article implied.
The type of bacteria that is causing the problems lives in the shower
head. There is other bacteria in water, but it's the same that's in
the drinking water.
Here's an article, stop speculating and RTFA
http://www.webmd.com/lung/copd/news/20090914/bacteria-may-lurk-on-your-showerhead
"What we show is the showerhead biofilm contains Mycobacterium avium
concentrations relative to other organisms 100-fold higher than in
water [before it comes out of the showerhead],"
> A friend was mine was told to only clean his teach with drinking water
> or mineral water for a week after he had some pretty serious dental work
> done.
> It' was something to do with what lives in the water tanks.
> Not sure how the US water system works but in the UK most housholds
> have drinking water, and the toilet and bathrooms are run from water tanks
> in the
> loft/atic where the water is stored. Only the mains input is classed as
> drinking water.
>
In the US the water goes from the city pipeline to the faucet. There
is no holding tank. Well, there is, but it's a large communal one in
each neighborhood. Mine is about two blocks away and looks like a big
blue mushroom. The pressure is maintained throughout the main line.
Unless you use well water. Even then there is a pump that creates the
pressure. Unless you're really out in the woods and use a bucket.
> > }The main advice given was just not to step under the shower and then
> > }turn it on. You get a blast of bacteria to your face.
>
> > I don't know anyone that takes the first blast of water, as they can't be
> > sure
> > of the temprature.
>
> }I used to. You turn on the bath taps to get your water the temp you
> }want and then you step in and turn on the shower. Which causes you to
> }receive a blast of germy water in the face.
>
> Sounds like something that should be done in fetish clubs.
Well, keep in mind that your country ruined this country by sending
all the body hating religious nuts over here. There's a strong streak
of mortification of the flesh here. Some people do thinks like step
into cold water because of that.
>
> }It may be a cultural/ technical difference. Most American showers also
> }double as baths. Aren't UK showers a stand alone unit?
>
> I don't think so, most showers were after thoughts added to baths,
> by butting a hose on the taps and putting a curtain rail around the bath,
> although with larger more expensive houses you get stand alone showers and
> Jacuzzis and
> bedays (SP,arse washers)
>
> }We have those
> }but they aren't common. Even then they usually have a bath tap.
> }Also, I know people who take cold showers and they just step under
> }it.
>
> I'm not sure if cold showers have less bacteria, I guess that depend on what
> cold is.
> My cold water is abotu 15C and the hot about 60-70C.
It takes hours of boiling or certain chemicals to kill all bacteria in
water. What the article says is that one bacteria is more common in
showerheads than in the water supply.
Nyx
Nyx
Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2009-11-19, Nyx <wayne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It may be a cultural/ technical difference. Most American showers also
> > double as baths. Aren't UK showers a stand alone unit? We have those
> > but they aren't common. Even then they usually have a bath tap.
>
> water as it runs. That's fairly common, and practical if one doesn't
> want to keep running the boiler all the time, e.g. in summer when we
> usually don't bother with central heating for several months and only
> heat water when we need to run baths or do the dishes.
>
> > Also, I know people who take cold showers and they just step under
> > it.
>
> Scotland.
>
It's done by masochist types. The type that believe suffering makes
you stronger.
But as for the temps, our winter temps in North Alabama are pretty
much the same as yours. We often have lows of 20 to 30 celsius. I
think the record low here was minus 10 below zero.
Of course our usual summer temps are 90 degrees and the high has been
110.
Nyx
Nyx
wrote:
> "Peter H. Coffin" <hell...@ninehells.com> wrote in messagenews:slrnhgdbkf....@abyss.ninehells.com...
>
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:52:05 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:
>
> >>news:eac80c04-4d3c-4936...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com
> >> ...
>
> >> }It's not to kill the bacteria. Warm water wouldn't do that anyway.
> >> }It's to dislodge them and force them out of the pipe. If you wanted
> >> }to kill them you would have to put it in an autoclave for a long
> >> }time.
>
> >> Yes, but the bacteria doesn't just live in the shower head, well I
> >> don't think it does even if that's what the article implied. A friend
> >> was mine was told to only clean his teach with drinking water or
> >> mineral water for a week after he had some pretty serious dental work
> >> done. It' was something to do with what lives in the water tanks. Not
> >> sure how the US water system works but in the UK most housholds have
> >> drinking water, and the toilet and bathrooms are run from water tanks
> >> in the loft/atic where the water is stored. Only the mains input is
> >> classed as drinking water.
>
> > If the water supply is clean,
>
> You;d have to define clean for this purpose.
> Clean water does contain stuff, it's just not suposed to have and dangerous
> stuff in it.
>
This bacteria isn't normally dangerous. It's just that in a plastic
showerhead there are concentrations 100 times higher as found in
drinking water. Even now it's not that dangerous. It won't kill you.
It might just give you a cough when it infects your nasal passages.
Nyx
Nyx
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:13:31 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:
If someone is really worried, just get a metal showerhead. It's the
plastic ones the bacteria likes.
Nyx
Peter Constantine
> I rarley see the point of cover bands.
I think I prefer covers bands to 'tribute' bands. I'd certainly prefer
to see a good covers band than a bad tribute band. I also think there's
more chance that a covers band might move on to writing and performing
their own original material.
x
TenshiKurai9
> [3] Lately I am being required to review far too many inane films.
Tangentially related. My room mate is staying with a friend of ours
this weekend and next so we went to see Boondock Saints II for my room
mate and Twilight: New Moon for our friend. I giggled a little at the
first sign of sparkling and laughed when the camera showed children in a
group of tourists that were going to be turned into food. As (spoiler)
Twilight fans watched Edward ask Bella to marry him and the screen
turned to black instead of her giving him an answere, I laughed and the
fans gave cries of oh!
> [4] Next week will see the opening of our big LGBT disability arts
> exhibition at the Gallery of Modern Art, which means there's a
> ridiculous amount of promotional work and last minute fixing to do, and
> meanwhile I'm busy negotiating future exhibition stuff - and all with a
> homophobic city council on my back. And the big danger of success in the
> arts is that one never has the time left over to do any actual creative
> work.
Is that the exhibit that will have a 'zine connected with it that you've
mentioned in a previous post? Can I have a copy?
-TenshiKurai9, the room mate has asked me if I would kill her if we were
in Battle Royale. I told her yes, but only at the end after we've
attempted to outsmart the adults. She told she'd kill me too, at the
end after we've attempted to outsmart the adults.
Jennie Kermode
> Talking with my bass player friend again...he mentioned that his father
> rarely mentioned his family. I noted that we can trace one line of our
> ancestry about three hundred years. It made me stop to think about just
> how few families can do that (to say nothing of carrying on a
> half-century tradition of two reunions a year--alas, down from three).
I'm guessing this is an American thing; I'd be interested in
hearing about the experiences of people from elsewhere.
I can trace my family back for severl centuries on the
paternal side, as well as knowing that, ultimately, it goes back to the
famous Diarmid and the queen of Ireland. On my mother's side I can only
go back three generations because my great-grandfather was on the run
when he met my great grandmother, but I know he was a Black Isle Munro,
which gives me access to plenty of family history by itself. Donald can
trace his paternal ancestry back a straight fifty one generations to
King Malcolm (who wasn't the gentle figure you may remember from
'Macbeth', but had a nasty reputation); and that goes back to the Black
Isle, too (quite goth, I suppose). Stuart's family, afaik, has less
known history, but like most people in Scotland he can easily trace
things back through his clan.
The whole American melting-pot thing makes for intriguingly
complex histories (and a lot less inbreeding!), but still, from my
perspective it would be odd to feel so disconnected from easily
traceable history. My ancestry is important to me because it helps me
place myself in the context of history - I can think about my relation
to past periods in terms of intuitively relevant generations rather than
the rather artificial concept of centuries. I can think about who was in
a certain place and time and how they relate to me. I can see my
hardships in the context of the much greater hardships my ancestors
endured where, had they not, I would never have been born. And I can see
myself as having a role, however small, in the creation of future
history - I can more easily contextualise how my actions might affect
those who come after.
Jennie
--
Jennie Kermode
jen...@innocent.com
www.jenniekermode.com
Jennie Kermode
> I've got internet tracings back to around 1550 with documentation, and
> people with the right name living in the right place since the 1300s.
> (North edge of Devon, mostly. There's paperwork attributing a manor in
> the area to a Richard Coffyn from Henry III.)
Devon, eh? You certainly wouldn't look out of place there -
you have quite a few facial features in common with those which are
common to the area. I used to go on holidays there when I was a child,
staying in my uncle's girlfriend's caravan, finding fossils on the
beach. Have you ever been? It's great for ammonites.
Peter H. Coffin
> I'm guessing this is an American thing; I'd be interested
> in hearing about the experiences of people from elsewhere.
[..]
> The whole American melting-pot thing makes for intriguingly
> complex histories (and a lot less inbreeding!), but still, from my
> perspective it would be odd to feel so disconnected from easily
> traceable history. My ancestry is important to me because it helps me
> place myself in the context of history - I can think about my relation
> to past periods in terms of intuitively relevant generations rather
> than the rather artificial concept of centuries. I can think about who
> was in a certain place and time and how they relate to me. I can see
> my hardships in the context of the much greater hardships my ancestors
> endured where, had they not, I would never have been born. And I can
> see myself as having a role, however small, in the creation of future
> history - I can more easily contextualise how my actions might affect
> those who come after.
A lot of the reason for it comes down to the vast majority of the
country being relatively recent immigrants, who really looked on the
place as a fresh start and an opportunity to leave behind whatever made
them want to leave in the first place. Even people that arrived as
little as two generations ago probably can't speak more than words and
phrases of the ancestral language because grandfather drilled on
Papa "You in America now. You speak American," and it held, even
when families largely stayed segregated within their own group of
origin.
--
I think it's a beautiful day to go to the zoo and feed the ducks.
To the lions.
-- Brian Kantor
whisky-dave
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:13:31 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:
>
>> "Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhgdbkf....@abyss.ninehells.com...
>>
>>> 70C isn't enough to kill bacteria.
>>
>> So they aren;t going to be killed in the shower head then, you'll have
>> to make sure they have been dislodged throught your system/pipes. I'm
>> not sire how long you'd need to run the water to achieve that.
>
> As previously mentioned, by me, to you, a few seconds is going to
> dislodge all that are readily dislodged.
Only dislodged from the shower head perhaps, but I still don;t get how
water after just a few seconds.
>> Also depending on how your waters heated mine is direct heating and
>> stored
>> in a tank. So there's no real way of other than empting all the how
>> water out, then you end up with a cold shower. Other systems heat up
>> the water when it's requred, so all you'd need to do is to allow the
>> water in the shower head(and maybe pipes) to be purged.
>
> So there's no reason to bother running the shower 10 minutes to heat up
> the shower head.
Not just to head up the shower head , but then I look at this the same way
as
pubs clearing out their pipes, letting the beer run for a second before
putting it in the
glass doesn;t clear the pipes.
>
>> Legionella pneumophilia is interesting as the symptoms are very flu like,
>> and if they live between 20 to 45oC then I assume higher temperatures
>> will
>> kill them.
>
> Probably not. That's the range that they thrive in. Warmer than that may
> *eventually* kill them, but it's probably not going to happen in ten
> minutes.
But my hot water tank is at 60C most of the day and night.
The pipes between the tank and the showerhead are at ambient temperature
of around 12-25C. As the water flows to the showerhead the pipes start to
heatup
which takes heat out of the water, so at the shower head you don;t get the
water temerature
of say 60C immediately. In winter it can take a few minutes before the
temeprature
at the showerhead is warm enough to shower.
>> Not sure about lower temperatures maybe it hibernates, but I'd say
>> that a lot of homes might have water systems were this can live.
>>
>>>When people boil water to sterilze it, it gets 10-20 minutes at 100C.
>>>Water temperature would only matter for the amount of time that you
>>>run the water. MOST of the time, the showerhead sits at the same
>>>temperature as the room.
>>
>> yes and autoclaves run at about 117C but even that doesn't kill
>> everything, some exotherms can live at those temperatures, but luckily
>> they tend not to exist in the home water supply.
>
> So there's no point in bothering to try running the shower for 10
> minutes before stepping in.
That depends on what you're doing, I think most bacteria existed
millions of years before the invention of the plastic showerhead,
so I'm assuming waterborn bacteria live in the water pipes water tanks
any anywhere there is water. The hotter the water the more likely
you are to limit the risk of living bacteria surviving in it.
Remmebr were' looking for lifec on Mars by looking for water not showerheads
;-)
whisky-dave
On Nov 20, 10:13 am, "whisky-dave" <whisky-d...@final.front.ear>
wrote:
>
> You;d have to define clean for this purpose.
> Clean water does contain stuff, it's just not suposed to have and
> dangerous
> stuff in it.
>
}This bacteria isn't normally dangerous. It's just that in a plastic
}showerhead there are concentrations 100 times higher as found in
}drinking water.
There's one problem drinking water doesn;t usualyl flow through showerheadrs
in the UK
partly due to pressure considerations bath/show water is held in a tank
until it's required.
Both hot and cold water can be stored in tanks.
}Even now it's not that dangerous. It won't kill you.
}It might just give you a cough when it infects your nasal passages.
Well the healthier you are the less likely it is to kill you obviously,
but I prefer not to take too many chances or risks with my nasal or anal
passages. :)
whisky-dave
I find it difficult to believe that it only lives in showerheads, I'd be
reasonably sure
this bacteria existed before someone invented the showerhead.
}Here's an article, stop speculating and RTFA
}http://www.webmd.com/lung/copd/news/20090914/bacteria-may-lurk-on-your-showerhead
}"What we show is the showerhead biofilm contains Mycobacterium avium
}concentrations relative to other organisms 100-fold higher than in
}water [before it comes out of the showerhead],"
Well I haven't; yet read the article but I'm wondering why it's 100 fold
higher
in teh showerhead.
> }I used to. You turn on the bath taps to get your water the temp you
> }want and then you step in and turn on the shower. Which causes you to
> }receive a blast of germy water in the face.
>
> Sounds like something that should be done in fetish clubs.
}Well, keep in mind that your country ruined this country by sending
}all the body hating religious nuts over here.
Oi, don;t blame us, didnt; you have antive americans living ther before we
sent out pilgrims.
> There's a strong streak
}of mortification of the flesh here. Some people do thinks like step
}into cold water because of that.
I'm sure you have far more religious freaks and strange religious cults
than we do here I bet you've even bred and cultivated your own too.
Scientology, Mormans, deathrock.
}It takes hours of boiling or certain chemicals to kill all bacteria in
}water. What the article says is that one bacteria is more common in
}showerheads than in the water supply.
So what is it about showerheads that attracts bacteria or this particular
type,
surely they existed before reaching the showerhead, or is it the fact that
the showerhead
produces droplets that are fine enough to distribute the bacteria through
the air.
Nyx
whisky-dave
}But as for the temps, our winter temps in North Alabama are pretty
}much the same as yours. We often have lows of 20 to 30 celsius. I
}think the record low here was minus 10 below zero.
Arh using temp in Cs for winter ..................
}Of course our usual summer temps are 90 degrees and the high has been
}110.
and temp in Fs for summer !
You must be wearing those surgical inconsistency pants. :)
whisky-dave
"Jennie Kermode" <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> beach. Have you ever been? It's great for ammonites.
Yep, you'll make lots of new friends. :-D
Octavian
Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
There is a lot of problems for tracing family lineage back through the
"immigration curtain" of name changes and "simplification" of the
imigration officials...
~Octavian
Dark Phoenix
"Octavian" <octa...@silvermoondesigns.org> wrote in message
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There is a lot of problems for tracing family lineage back through the
"immigration curtain" of name changes and "simplification" of the
imigration officials...
********
Yeah. When my husband's grandfather came over from Yugoslavia, the
immigration guy looked at his name, and put down the first two letters and
the last three letters and told him that was his name from then on. No way
of knowing what was left out of the middle, so no way of tracing him.
--
Laurie Brown, Dark Phoenix
dark_p...@netw.com
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/103910/laurie_brown.html
"To destroy the Western tradition of independent thought, it is not
necessary to burn books. All we have to do is leave them unread for a couple
of generations."
--Robert Maynard Hutchens.
Nyx
>
> There is a lot of problems for tracing family lineage back through the
> "immigration curtain" of name changes and "simplification" of the
> imigration officials...
>
Then there is the problem of ancestors who don't want anyone to know
where they came from. The Nix family seems to have moved from Germany
to Ireland and back a few times before settling in America. Even today
no Nix will admit he or she is related to any other Nix. There is also
the problem of having Native American ancestors who passed for white
so they wouldn't be sent to reservations.
Nyx (no relation)
Nyx
> "Octavian" <octav...@silvermoondesigns.org> wrote in message
>
> news:fa1ef4b8-cf69-4fed...@z35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> There is a lot of problems for tracing family lineage back through the
> "immigration curtain" of name changes and "simplification" of the
> imigration officials...
>
> ********
> Yeah. When my husband's grandfather came over from Yugoslavia, the
> immigration guy looked at his name, and put down the first two letters and
> the last three letters and told him that was his name from then on. No way
> of knowing what was left out of the middle, so no way of tracing him.
>
Those letters might even have been Cyrillic. So who could expect him
to be able to spell it?
Nyx
~Fianna
> There is a lot of problems for tracing family lineage back through the
> "immigration curtain" of name changes and "simplification" of the
> imigration officials...
Language barriers and geopolitics don't help, either. I mentioned in
another thread that I don't know much about my father's side of the family.
There are actually a few reasons for that. The most interesting is that my
grandmother either isn't sure what her origins were or she's lying about
them, since the story changes every time you ask. Looking through Ellis
Island records, her surname seems to have been highly correlated with Jewish
ancestry, and my grandfather was an anti-Semite so I'm assuming that's part
of it. The other part is that they arrived here in the late-19th c., and
where they came from might have no relation to where that actually is now,
since borders in central Europe were pretty fluid before the end of WWII.
What was Austria when her grandmother was born might have been held by 3
other countries by the time they left... Also, we traced some stuff to
Austria, but we can't go back further than that because all that bombing
wasn't particularly good for paper records.
~Fi, pretty much not more than 1/8th of anything in particular.
`una
2) This year I made a music video, wrote a book, met a popstar,
turned 35, and reconnected with a friend I haven't seen for a decade.
3) I have been accepted to a university for the fall 2010 term.
If I can't get the funding, I'll be looking for work instead.
4) One way or another, I will not be in West Bumblefuck by the time
September 2010 comes around.
5) I've given up dreaming about writing and trying to be practical.
I'm just writing. With increasing frequency, I am writing things I like.
6) I cooked everything I ate today. My mom rounded out the feast
with bread and stuffing for everybody else.
7) Much as I'd like to have a partner, I am thrilled with my
asshole-free life and in no hurry to change my status.
`una - happy spinster learning to cook while writing like a fiend.
`una
> The whole American melting-pot thing makes for intriguingly
> complex histories (and a lot less inbreeding!), but still, from my
> perspective it would be odd to feel so disconnected from easily
> traceable history. My ancestry is important to me because it helps me
> place myself in the context of history - I can think about my relation
> to past periods in terms of intuitively relevant generations rather than
> the rather artificial concept of centuries. I can think about who was in
> a certain place and time and how they relate to me. I can see my
> hardships in the context of the much greater hardships my ancestors
> endured where, had they not, I would never have been born. And I can see
> myself as having a role, however small, in the creation of future
> history - I can more easily contextualise how my actions might affect
> those who come after.
For most of my life, I hated being American for those kinds of
reasons. I have no history, not roots, no context, and no sense
of how I'm connected to the wider world.
In the last couple of years, I've come to appreciate that freedom
that gives me to explore the world and create a context of my own.
I don't have to try to think outside the box because I'm not in
the box.
Some people talk about how awful cultural appropriation is,
but appropriation is all I do because I wasn't raised within
a given culture. I mostly wasn't touched by American culture
because I was so isolated by the frequent moving abuse, bullying,
and neglect. I appropriated bits of tradition and culture from
books I read. Since I mostly read fantasy, I had no sense of the
real world context for what I was picking up.
My personal culture is a hodge podge of images that I fell in love with
as I read books and watched movies. My history doesn't extend beyond
my parents. My future probably won't extend beyond the days that are
numbered for me because I have no plans to have any involvement with
children. I am both insignificantly small and deeply self-important.
I love the thought that if this life is all there is, then everything
I do is important because what I do is all there is.
It's still tempting to think that people who have a history are
somehow luckier or better than I am, but they simply have a different
context than I do. My context is good for different reasons, but
it's still good.
`una - always chose the mutt when I got to have a dog
whisky-dave
"`una" <una...@nettrip.org> wrote in message
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> Jennie Kermode wrote:
>
>> The whole American melting-pot thing makes for intriguingly
>> complex histories (and a lot less inbreeding!), but still, from my
>> perspective it would be odd to feel so disconnected from easily
>> traceable history. My ancestry is important to me because it helps me
>> place myself in the context of history - I can think about my relation
>> to past periods in terms of intuitively relevant generations rather than
>> the rather artificial concept of centuries. I can think about who was in
>> a certain place and time and how they relate to me. I can see my
>> hardships in the context of the much greater hardships my ancestors
>> endured where, had they not, I would never have been born. And I can see
>> myself as having a role, however small, in the creation of future
>> history - I can more easily contextualise how my actions might affect
>> those who come after.
>
> For most of my life, I hated being American for those kinds of
> reasons. I have no history, not roots, no context, and no sense
> of how I'm connected to the wider world.
Ah but as soon as you're identified as American most outside of America
know what to expect we all have our ideas of what americans are like.
Not that it makes it true of course, pretty much everyone does this when
someone
identifies themselves they create an image that is left to the individuals
interpretation .
>
> In the last couple of years, I've come to appreciate that freedom
> that gives me to explore the world and create a context of my own.
> I don't have to try to think outside the box because I'm not in
> the box.
I like that last line, it'll make a good quote sometime.
> Some people talk about how awful cultural appropriation is,
> but appropriation is all I do because I wasn't raised within
> a given culture. I mostly wasn't touched by American culture
> because I was so isolated by the frequent moving abuse, bullying,
> and neglect. I appropriated bits of tradition and culture from
> books I read. Since I mostly read fantasy, I had no sense of the
> real world context for what I was picking up.
That's interesting in that you can't identify culture in the standard way
of your surrounding but do from your mind.
>
> My personal culture is a hodge podge of images that I fell in love with
> as I read books and watched movies. My history doesn't extend beyond
> my parents. My future probably won't extend beyond the days that are
> numbered for me because I have no plans to have any involvement with
> children. I am both insignificantly small and deeply self-important.
> I love the thought that if this life is all there is, then everything
> I do is important because what I do is all there is.
Your life in a netshell or something similar, I think more and more people
feel this way.
I think it's to do the the pace of life and how fast things change
nowerdays.
> It's still tempting to think that people who have a history are
> somehow luckier or better than I am,
Maybe it's because their lives are pretty much drawn out, whereas yours you
see
as being in a state of flux and quite changeable by yourself.
For most this is a new concept as previously most men did a similar job as
their fathers
and fathers before them where as the women folk lives were to attract a man
and breed
to enable the cycle to continue.
Panurge
> I rarely see the point of cover bands.
Better than playing records. Music people know. That's the basic idea.
> > *splurging*. He said something like, "If you just get everything you
> > want right when you want it, you don't appreciate any of it."
>
> That's true, but I think his is refering to people where money is no object.
> The likes of Paris Hilton etc..
Well, yeah, but his point still stands.
> I thought you was a GOTH ???????????
Who, me??
--
"He who wishes to go beyond it must die."
--Arnold Schoenberg, on Gustav Mahler's Ninth Symphony
kest
> On 2009-11-19, Jeff Blanks <jbl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Talking with my bass player friend again...he mentioned that his father
>> rarely mentioned his family. I noted that we can trace one line of our
>> ancestry about three hundred years. It made me stop to think about just
>> how few families can do that (to say nothing of carrying on a
>> half-century tradition of two reunions a year--alas, down from three).
>
> I'm guessing this is an American thing; I'd be interested in
> hearing about the experiences of people from elsewhere.
My mother's mother's father's side can be traced back to arrival in
America in the 1600s, with almost that for the rest of my mother's side.
My father's side can be traced back to arrival in America in the early
1900s. I'd like to get back into genealogy, but I haven't found a
family tree program for the Mac that I actually like.
k
kest
>
> Unfortunately that doesn't apply to home offices - at least
> I hope it doesn't, or I'll be unemployed for four months of the year.
> The windowframes are rotting so heat leaks out of this place really
> badly and there's nothing we can do about it.
can you tape plastic or fabric over the cracks, or the whole window? It
prevents opening the window while it's in place, but this is rarely an
issue in winter anyway. Heavy curtains can also help, but obviously run
a little more expensive.
k
Endymion
Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm guessing this is an American thing; I'd be interested in
> hearing about the experiences of people from elsewhere.
(snip)
> The whole American melting-pot thing makes for intriguingly
> complex histories (and a lot less inbreeding!), but still, from my
> perspective it would be odd to feel so disconnected from easily
> traceable history.
The melting-pot bit is part of it, but one reason for the contrast in
your case is that many of the places your ancestors lived have been
relatively stable and less likely to be devastated by war and natural
disaster - there were plenty of wars in Scotland and northern England,
but nothing approaching the calamities of the 30 Years War, the
collapse of the great empires in 1918-1919 and accompanying civil
wars, and above all the Second World War and its aftermath. Most of
the US was spared this as well, but much of the South wasn't: all too
many family trees end in 1865 because the courthouse where all the
records were kept was burned down in the war.
(On the other hand, until after WW2 this part of the country was a lot
more demographically stable than most of the rest of the country, with
a lot fewer recent immigrants, and the people in any given area were a
lot more likely to have come from the same part of the UK. Three
quarters of my ancestors lived within fifty miles of my birthplace at
least as far back as 1800, and some since the mid-1600s. My mother and
aunt were able to trace some of our ancestors back to 17C
Gloucestershire and possibly to the Norman Conquest.)
- Endymion
Peter Constantine
There's also the shrink-to-fit-with-a-hairdryer DIY secondary glazing
products (such as Easyfix Filmglaze)... but I think Jennie may have
tried these before with little success.
The only other option I can think of is to make secondary glazing using
glass or acrylic sheet and fix this in place (ventilation and fire
escape considerations not withstanding). There are DIY kits available
for this type of installation (www.diysecondaryglazingkit.co.uk etc) but
I don't know if the costs or skill levels required would preclude these.
x
["His knees are gettin' chilly but he feels no fear or pain
'Cause he sees an angel peepin' through a broken window pane..."]
Panurge
> It's very hard to teach effectively without telling
> people frankly when they're getting things wrong.
http://www.andante.com/Profiles/DFD/teacher.cfm
I'll quote some of this here if I may:
'In my opinion meager praise is what makes a good teacher. Of course the
[student]...wants to be treated with the utmost care and concern. But no
ambitious student should be satisfied to be showered with rose water.'
--Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, classical baritone and master teacher
I think what's important here is "the utmost care and concern." (Also
notice that he doesn't say "*no* praise." A little bit at a time, I
suppose, as if to string the student along.) If you can establish that
atmosphere, that's the important thing. Or did we think "A Spoonful of
Sugar" was really just about *medicine*??
Peter H. Coffin
> Jennie Kermode <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It's very hard to teach effectively without telling
>> people frankly when they're getting things wrong.
>
> http://www.andante.com/Profiles/DFD/teacher.cfm
>
> I'll quote some of this here if I may:
>
> 'In my opinion meager praise is what makes a good teacher. Of course the
> [student]...wants to be treated with the utmost care and concern. But no
> ambitious student should be satisfied to be showered with rose water.'
>
> --Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, classical baritone and master teacher
>
> I think what's important here is "the utmost care and concern." (Also
> notice that he doesn't say "*no* praise." A little bit at a time, I
> suppose, as if to string the student along.) If you can establish that
> atmosphere, that's the important thing. Or did we think "A Spoonful of
> Sugar" was really just about *medicine*??
IMHO, "Correct" is not praise; "wrong" is not critcism.
--
68. I will spare someone who saved my life sometime in the past. This is
only reasonable as it encourages others to do so. However, the offer
is good one time only. If they want me to spare them again, they'd
better save my life again. --Peter Anspach's Evil Overlord list
whisky-dave
"Panurge" <pan...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Jennie Kermode <"Jennie Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It's very hard to teach effectively without telling
>> people frankly when they're getting things wrong.
>
> http://www.andante.com/Profiles/DFD/teacher.cfm
>
> I'll quote some of this here if I may:
>
> 'In my opinion meager praise is what makes a good teacher.
I would have thought being able to actually 'teach' would be what makes a
good
teacher.
Of course the
> [student]...wants to be treated with the utmost care and concern. But no
> ambitious student should be satisfied to be showered with rose water.'
That depends on the individual student.
> --Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, classical baritone and master teacher
>
> I think what's important here is "the utmost care and concern." (Also
> notice that he doesn't say "*no* praise." A little bit at a time, I
> suppose, as if to string the student along.)
Better to string them up when they get it wrong ;-)
> If you can establish that
> atmosphere, that's the important thing.
I think that's far easier with a one to one, but in the real world most
teaching
seems to be done in classes average UK class seems to be about 30-40.
it also helps if they all speak the same language and have similar cultures.
> Or did we think "A Spoonful of
> Sugar" was really just about *medicine*??
I guess it's about making things easier to swallow, but not whether
or not swallowing is what's requred.
But I think the biggest problem in the UK is whther or not we are teaching
them in oder that they learn something or teaching them to accumulate enough
marks to get through the course and exam.
>
Panurge
> IMHO, "Correct" is not praise; "wrong" is not critcism.
Not very deep praise or criticism, anyway. But when something is done
wrong, it's the teacher's job to point to why--so, criticism. When
something is done right, it's natural (not a word I try to use often) to
praise, at least a little. Praise can help self-confidence, after all.
OTOH, just to state the obvious, overpraise can turn self-confidence
into complacency and dilute the value of deserved praise.
moonglow minnow
> "Peter H. Coffin" <hel...@ninehells.com> wrote:
>
>> IMHO, "Correct" is not praise; "wrong" is not critcism.
>
> Not very deep praise or criticism, anyway. But when something is done
> wrong, it's the teacher's job to point to why--so, criticism. When
> something is done right, it's natural (not a word I try to use often) to
> praise, at least a little. Praise can help self-confidence, after all.
> OTOH, just to state the obvious, overpraise can turn self-confidence
> into complacency and dilute the value of deserved praise.
IME, the best instructors have been those who mix praise with
constructive criticism. They give praise for what you did right, and
couple it with what you did wrong and how you can improve it.
Instructors who give only criticism leave students adrift, not knowing
how to do things right, and instructors who give only praise leave
students overconfident even when they're making mistakes.
Maeve >^..^<
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