It was a dark and stormy night. The air was thick with anticipation as the conspirators waited, coiled, ready to pounce. Soon, very soon they would unleash onto the world a great Chimera. Soon the world would know their true power. Soon, there would be alt.gothic.
The date was October 31, 1991.
alt.gothic was in spirit, newgrouped on that day, although the official records show that the effective message was actually posted 1st Novemeber.
FYI, the original newgroup message. ===== ~Path: rpi!bu.edu!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!ames!agate!spool.mu.edu !uunet!orca!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown ~From: pashd...@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) ~Newsgroups: control,alt.config,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc ~Subject: newgroup alt.gothic ~Summary: newgroup alt.gothic ~Keywords: newgroup ~Message-ID: <1991Nov1.001114.27...@javelin.sim.es.com> ~Date: 1 Nov 91 00:11:14 GMT ~Control: newgroup alt.gothic ~Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah ~Lines: 33 ~Approved: n...@javelin.sim.es.com
The charter, with accordance with Ms. Lemay's vision:
>alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture. >The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and >dark. It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e. >the ravaging of asia by the visigoths.
>Then, below, you don't necessarily have to explain what each genre >is:
>Gothic music: sometimes called "death rock", encompasses bands >such as (bands listed in the charter)
>Gothic art: films, books, plays, fine arts: art that perpetuates >a morbidity or feeling of angst. Submissions of gothic prose >and poetry are encouraged.
>Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well >as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting. >Finally, I feel it would be especially apt were alt.gothic to be >created on halloween. :-)
I thought about this before creating the group. Seeing what little discussion was happening in alt.config, I decided to jump the gun in order to create upon this relevant date. -- Living in my own world. Living where I want to be.
DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way. Pete Ashdown pashd...@javelin.sim.es.com ...uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!pashdown ===== -- <BLOODSTONE> ^ . ^ * . ~ I don't sleep * . ~ ~ ^ So I don't dream ^ . ^ . . So I don't wake up frightened.
On 22 Oct 2001 19:36:35 GMT, sini...@innocent.FISH.com (Bloodstone) wrote:
>It was a dark and stormy night. The air was thick with anticipation as >the conspirators waited, coiled, ready to pounce. Soon, very soon they >would unleash onto the world a great Chimera. Soon the world would know >their true power. Soon, there would be alt.gothic.
>The date was October 31, 1991.
You're making me feel old. I was in high school when that happened.... now I teach high school.
sini...@innocent.FISH.com (Bloodstone) challenged the world with:
>>alt.gothic is a newsgroup for the discussion of the gothic subculture. >>The gothic (or goth) movement is dedicated to things mournful and >>dark. It does not refer to the historical gothic movement, i.e. >>the ravaging of asia by the visigoths.
You know....'ravaging of asia' sounds like a sex thread. "mournful and dark" sounds like bad goth poetry. Therefore, following the dictates of our charter, all sex talk must immediately cease, and we must all start posting cheesy lurid doggerel!
-JC, who was at RPI on the date in question -- D a.g.s-f: Semper Monemus Sed Non Audiunt, Ergo Lartus E http://web.raex.com/~jcroix "..but I'd rather be a free man in my grave, Only _2432455_ days until X-Day! than living as a puppet or a slave." V Ordo Templi Ashus: First SubChurch of Ash, Patron of Shotgun & Chainsaw O
> alt.gothic was in spirit, newgrouped on that day, although the official > records show that the effective message was actually posted 1st > Novemeber.
So....
"what was that band who played at the start of The Hunger then?"
(alt.gothic arrived on November 1, thereby proving itself non-geeky enough to have been out on the 31st October having a party).
I suddenly feel .... ancient
Anyway, *next* year is the anniversary of the term net.goth (it shows how wasted we all were - I lost count)
On 23 Oct 2001 00:39:57 -0700, Count Von Sexbat <sex...@batt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
:> alt.gothic was in spirit, newgrouped on that day, although the official :> records show that the effective message was actually posted 1st :> Novemeber.
:So.... :"what was that band who played at the start of The Hunger then?"
David Bow-ie!
:(alt.gothic arrived on November 1, thereby proving itself non-geeky :enough to have been out on the 31st October having a party). :I suddenly feel .... ancient
*Late* nineteen.
:Anyway, *next* year is the anniversary of the term net.goth (it shows :how wasted we all were - I lost count)
Time started in 1995.
You watch. I'm gonna play alt.gothic on stage in front of hundreds. Just you wait.
I think I used to read Pete Ashdown's music reviews all the time in the early 90s. I don't know why, but it seems funny that he was the man who issued the newgroup for alt.gothic... I remember him as being heavily on the techno side of things, though that was a few years after this, of course.
k...@spamfree.nettrip.org (kest) wrote in message <news:9142C9AA8kestnettriporg@207.217.77.21>... > You know....'ravaging of asia' sounds like a sex thread. "mournful and > dark" sounds like bad goth poetry. Therefore, following the dictates of > our charter, all sex talk must immediately cease, and we must all start > posting cheesy lurid doggerel!
i saw her heaving, corsetted bosom, and thought, "o my god, what a woman!"
i swaggered over with a jaunty air, slipped, stumbled, fell across a chair
somehow landed with my mouth on her breast - thought for a moment that i was blest -
til she stood, i fell, pursued by hoots, so i lay on the floor and croaked, "nice boots" ---
> On 22 Oct 2001 19:36:35 GMT, sini...@innocent.FISH.com (Bloodstone) > wrote:
> <snip>
> >>Social aspects of the gothic culture: clothes, clubs, etc, as well > >>as gothic activities such as vampirism and haunting. > <snip>
> heh. sorry. just wanted to the the part about vampirism being > encouraged again.
<smirk>
As near as I can tell, the Gothnic Cleansing of the Vampabees was in full-swing around 1997 or so, and even in news:alt.vampyres, we were pretty sick of them.
> k...@spamfree.nettrip.org (kest) wrote in message <news:9142C9AA8kestnettriporg@207.217.77.21>... > > You know....'ravaging of asia' sounds like a sex thread. "mournful and > > dark" sounds like bad goth poetry. Therefore, following the dictates of > > our charter, all sex talk must immediately cease, and we must all start > > posting cheesy lurid doggerel!
> i saw her heaving, corsetted bosom, > and thought, "o my god, what a woman!"
> i swaggered over with a jaunty air, > slipped, stumbled, fell across a chair
> somehow landed with my mouth on her breast > - thought for a moment that i was blest -
> til she stood, i fell, pursued by hoots, > so i lay on the floor and croaked, "nice boots" > ---
> more cheesy than lurid, ohwellnevermind
That's okay. I hereby declare my vote that this should replace the entire FAQ, or at least the section on "origins of Goth".
-- Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae. Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/
