Goth history question: where and when did the term darkwave originate?
Girl <last name>
Late 80s or early 90s? Reliable web cites would be appreciated.
Girl (arguing with someone elsewhere).
Greaser Butler
Darkwave.... Sisters, Siouxie, Corpus Delicti, Iggy, Pistols,
Bowie....
?
Bat
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Well here goes...
Germany
During the days of House of Usher, about a year into it (1990/91), from
europe we started getting and spinning a more bombastic and synthetic form
of 'gothic' which wasn't the synthetic in the term of say synthy industrial.
It was still very much goth. The bands? Das Ich was the first band I can
remember that held this term and quickly others followed such as Qntall and
even my partner recorded what was considered "darkwave" with his band
Malign.
It was only MANY years later that I saw the term perk up elsewhere such as
on the Projekt label, etc.
Bat
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Dave H
<snip/>
> It was only MANY years later that I saw the term perk up elsewhere such as
> on the Projekt label, etc.
That sounds about right to me. To my mind Das Ich and Project Pitchfork
were the quintessential "darkwave" bands of the mid- to late-1990s. I
think of the classic Projekt bands (Lycia, etc.) as "ethereal" rather
than "darkwave", despite the label adopting the term.
(Meanwhile there was a bunch of UK bands, and indeed a label, trying to
push the term "darkbeat" for their own electronic/goth sound -- but
that's another story...)
Dave
--
i tried to find some silence in this shallow space
i pushed pillows in my ears -- i concealed my face
no, don't you even try to catch my eye, it sits frozen in its place
Bat
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> Bat <nospa...@cyberden.com> wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
>> It was only MANY years later that I saw the term perk up elsewhere such
>> as
>> on the Projekt label, etc.
>
> That sounds about right to me. To my mind Das Ich and Project Pitchfork
> were the quintessential "darkwave" bands of the mid- to late-1990s. I
True - also in 93: Aurora's 'land of harm and appletrees' is another good
one.
Joseph Brenner
My "researches" on the subject not only turned up no clear
history, it turned up no clear definition. Different people
seem to mean different things by the term:
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=elly-08129...@t-17-181-103.dialup.wisc.edu%3E
These guys seem to know what they're talking about:
http://www.waningmoon.com/gothica/articles/6660017.shtml
My guess is that the term started it's journeys in Germany,
and state-side it got confused with the name of the Projekt
record catalog.
I never heard the term in use before the early 90s, but
then, I've never been to Germany.
Joseph Brenner
christian.eric_elkhund.mumford@accursed_hunter.bello.no. (Greaser Butler) writes:
So, you're making the not at all unreasonable presumption
that "darkwave" is a contraction of "dark new wave"?
That's only one of the meanings in use. It's the funny
thing about "darkwave", everyone seems to think they know
what it means...
mick mercer
Germany?
> >Late 80s or early 90s? Reliable web cites would be appreciated.
> >
> >Girl (arguing with someone elsewhere).
It was a 90's thing, and I believe it started in Europe (so Germany
would be the best bet) for those soppy buggers in bands who couldn't
bring themselves to call themselves a Goth band, so this term came up.
Now, you can see many bands being bored with the thought of having to
delineate what they were doing compared to all the tired Sisters and
Neffs copyists who were trundling about back then, so people
appreciated them properly, but that's what words, spoken and written,
are actually for. To present a viewpoint.
They clearly hoped Darkwave would sound modern and intriguing. It
didn't. It just sounded like a copout.
'Coldwave' happened at that same time, but sounded interesting as it
could have been a deliberately bleak emotional form. Calling bands
'Wave' bands also works, as it's non-specific.
All Goth bands have to do is call themselves a Goth band and
concentrate on the songs being good, then leave it up to listeners,
from any genre, to decide if they like it or not. Pretending you're a
'dark rock' band, or whatever, just undermines your supposed
artistic/aesthetic worth.
The moment a Goth band, who are quite obviously a Goth band, says, "we
are not a Goth band" they should be legally obligsed to wear yellow
for the rest of their blighted existence.
Rachael
> Was it originally a Projekt records PR device or did it originate
> in Germany? Late 80s or early 90s? Reliable web cites would be
> appreciated.
As far as I can tell the term "dark wave" was initially used in
Germany in the late 1980s to describe music which combined the
features of new wave and gothic, in particular when guitars were
replaced by strong synth elements. Deine Lakaien and Das Ich were
first labelled such, and some even refer to an early album by Clan
of Xymox as dark wave, but I couldn't tell for I do not know them.
In the 1990s dark wave became pretty prominent in the goth clubs
hereabouts, and bands such as Diary of Dreams, Silke Bischoff,
Relatives Menschsein, Illuminate or Die Verbannten Kinder Evas
were supposed to further develop the style. As a very theatrical
side product bands like Goethes Erben and Misanthrope produced what
became known as "Neue Deutsche Todeskunst (New German Death Art)",
but that fad thankfully ended with the last millennium.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Wave seems to support this notion,
although it adds some bands to the genre which I wouldn't label dark
wave. The term has become terribly blurred though, as the following
link clearly shows since none of the mentioned bands are dark wave
(they are neofolk, military pop, but most definitely have nothing in
common with dark wave): http://de.indymedia.org/2004/10/96862.shtml .
R.HTH
tired & listening to Coil
--
"Suavia musae... me delectant, me deiciunt, me consolantur."
Schau'n wir mal, wie's weitergeht... - Ernst Horn - r.m.i -
Michael Johnson
>My guess is that the term started it's journeys in Germany,
Yus, I think that's true....
I think other people on this here thread have nailed it down as far as
it's possible to do so, but FWIW the first time I heard the term was
in the early 90s in relation to assorted bands from Germany who'd
created a kind of industrial-with-atmosphere aesthetic, like Project
Pitchfork etc.
>and state-side it got confused with the name of the Projekt
>record catalog.
I think that was an example of synchronicity, really.
My guess is that around the same time as 'darkwave' was coming into
use in Germany as a new generic term, Projekt was looking around for a
term to describe the music the label was involved with that didn't
have the turn-off factor that the G-word has for much of the
mainstream music biz.
Projekt came up with a word that fitted the bill - but unknown to the
label at the time, that word was already in use somewhere else, to
mean something else.
And much confusion betwixt the two darkwaves did thus result.
'Darkwave' has also been used more generally as a catch-all term to
describe goth-ish stuff that isn't quite goth. I've used it that way
myself, on the front page of the Nemesis website (as you can see to
this very day). I chose to use the word quite deliberately, for its
fuzzy, indefinable, multiple meanings. I reasoned that if nobody
really knows what darkwave is, they can't say they don't like it!
--
The subcultural life of Uncle Nemesis:
The fuzzy, indefinable years: http://www.nemesis.to
Dancing about architecture: http://www.starvox.net
oldgoth
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> The moment a Goth band, who are quite obviously a Goth band, says, "we
> are not a Goth band" they should be legally obligsed to wear yellow
> for the rest of their blighted existence.
Please. Someone either make it law or put it on a T shirt
martin oldgoth
website: www.insanitorium.co.uk
"You're not drunk if you can lay on the floor without holding on" - Dean
Martin
Dave H
<snip/>
> 'Coldwave' happened at that same time, but sounded interesting as it
> could have been a deliberately bleak emotional form. Calling bands
> 'Wave' bands also works, as it's non-specific.
And to me, coldwave means industrial rock with loud, emphased guitars.
Chemlab, Ministry from around 1988, etc. Google for it now, though, and
you just get pages upon pages about snowmobiles. ;o)
Dave H
>
> And to me, coldwave means industrial rock with loud, emphased guitars.
Um, "emphasised." "Emphased" is not a word, although it probably should
be.
Certic
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> "Girl <last name>" <sor...@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in
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> > Was it originally a Projekt records PR device or did it originate
in
> > Germany?
> > Late 80s or early 90s? Reliable web cites would be appreciated.
> >
> > Girl (arguing with someone elsewhere).
>
> Well here goes...
>
> Germany
>
> During the days of House of Usher, about a year into it (1990/91),
from
> europe we started getting and spinning a more bombastic and
synthetic form
> of 'gothic' which wasn't the synthetic in the term of say synthy
industrial.
They wouldn't have called it "europe" then, though...
--
It hurts sometimes more than we can bear.
If we could live without passion, maybe
we'd know some kind of peace.
But we would be hollow.
Empty rooms, shuttered and dank...
Without passion, we'd be truly dead.
Girl <last name>
> Dave H <d...@armaros.dmh.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > And to me, coldwave means industrial rock with loud, emphased guitars.
> ^^^^^^^^
> Um, "emphasised." "Emphased" is not a word, although it probably should
> be.
>
in 82" belief (Ministry called themselves aggro, while NIN seeming stopped
calling themselves industrial after they worked with Coil). The stuff on the
two "Coldwave Breaks" comps -
http://kzsu.stanford.edu/eklein/comp/compc.html - is pretty much all that 90s
industrial kinda thing.
Girl.
Bat
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> Bat <nospa...@cyberden.com> wrote in message
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>> "Girl <last name>" <sor...@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in
> message
>> news:41947faf$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> > Was it originally a Projekt records PR device or did it originate
> in
>> > Germany?
>> > Late 80s or early 90s? Reliable web cites would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Girl (arguing with someone elsewhere).
>>
>> Well here goes...
>>
>> Germany
>>
>> During the days of House of Usher, about a year into it (1990/91),
> from
>> europe we started getting and spinning a more bombastic and
> synthetic form
>> of 'gothic' which wasn't the synthetic in the term of say synthy
> industrial.
> --------
> They wouldn't have called it "europe" then, though...
Who wouldn't of called what Europe?
(We received all our DJ servicing through european distribitors at that time
no matter where overseas the artist was.)
Bat
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I remember when Don (21st Circuitry) released the Coldwave Breaks CD - He
came back from Europe explaining that coldwave was indeed
Industrial+Guitars+synth rhythm/sequencers. However the term never really
held past a year as most 'coldwave' seemed to end up becoming simply
mainstream industrial...
^o^
Certic
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> "Certic" <P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >> During the days of House of Usher, about a year into it
(1990/91),
> > from
> >> europe we started getting and spinning a more bombastic and
> > synthetic form
> >> of 'gothic' which wasn't the synthetic in the term of say synthy
> > industrial.
> > --------
> > They wouldn't have called it "europe" then, though...
>
> Who wouldn't of called what Europe?
>
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The phrase used would have been "The Continent". Referring to the
European mainland as "Europe" only became fashionable through the 90s,
at first to mean "everyone else in the EU" when the Tories argued with
them. The meeja began using it because of its politically loaded
nature.
oldgoth
> The phrase used would have been "The Continent".
It's always been Europe to me, like another place that the UK wasn't a part
of... I've never thought of myself as European! The 'Continent' was a
phrase my dad might have used.
It's been Europe to me from way before the 90's
Girl <last name>
>
> I remember when Don (21st Circuitry) released the Coldwave Breaks CD - He
> came back from Europe explaining that coldwave was indeed
> Industrial+Guitars+synth rhythm/sequencers. However the term never really
> held past a year as most 'coldwave' seemed to end up becoming simply
> mainstream industrial...
>
cheers, you've backed my argument up nicely), but maybe you'd like to tart up
your own pages - http://e.discogs.com/artist/xorcist
Cheers,
Girl.
Dave H
>
> It's always been Europe to me, like another place that the UK wasn't a part
> of... I've never thought of myself as European! The 'Continent' was a
> phrase my dad might have used.
>
> It's been Europe to me from way before the 90's
I'm just as happy being European as I am being English, British or a
Terran. Just as long as no-one calls me a fscking g**h! ;o)
Tom..
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> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:25:47 +0000,
> Michael Johnson <un...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : My guess is that around the same time as 'darkwave' was coming into
> : use in Germany as a new generic term, Projekt was looking around for a
> : term to describe the music the label was involved with that didn't
> : have the turn-off factor that the G-word has for much of the
> : mainstream music biz.
>
>
Having listened to an Eldritch interview, you can add "Guardian-Reader" to
the list.
Tom
Greaser Butler
wrote:
anything 80's Hawkwind-like.
dark hippie wave
Bat
"Girl <last name>" <sor...@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in message
Thanks for the info on discogs - I haven't really played with it but the
fact they have Xenon & Diode Fetish listed is impressive. However yea,
they're missing quite a bit :-)
^o^
Girl <last name>
>
>
> Thanks for the info on discogs - I haven't really played with it but the
> fact they have Xenon & Diode Fetish listed is impressive.
Be warned, it's addictive :)
> However yea,
> they're missing quite a bit :-)
>
You're telling me - my collection is increasingly arranged according to "in
discogs", "must draft".
Girl.
IHCOYC XPICTOC
> What's the quality of the de.wikipedia articles on g*th in general? The
> ones on en: are ... variable. (Too many 'Merkins asserting that goth is a
> state of mind that was invented by Lord Byron on absinthe. I have
> occasionally waded in hitting people over the head with references, but
> it's a Sisyphean struggle.)
This is wrong?
What was Lord Byron drinking, in that case?
--
I'm gonna eat a lot of glitter
To keep my shit from lookin' dull.
-- Dirk Hamilton, "The Classic Sweat Pose."
Charlie Tuna
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> > Bat <nospa...@cyberden.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snip/>
> >
> >> It was only MANY years later that I saw the term perk up elsewhere such
> >> as
> >> on the Projekt label, etc.
The Beverina label carry alot of "darkwave" from the baltic countries
(Nokturnal Mortem, Masters of Kako Servants)... could Danzig be
considered "darkwave".
C T
Bat
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Hmm.... Death Metal maybe? Anyone?
Certic
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> > The phrase used would have been "The Continent".
>
> It's always been Europe to me, like another place that the UK wasn't
a part
> of... I've never thought of myself as European! The 'Continent'
was a
> phrase my dad might have used.
So Britain is in Africa, is it?
Jodi
>This is wrong?
>
>What was Lord Byron drinking, in that case?
I could check - the Benita Eisler biography is just across the room.
However, what I really need is sleep.
Jodi
I am angry I am ill and I'm as ugly as sin
My irritability keeps me alive and kicking
- Magazine, "A Song from Under the Floorboards"
Joseph Brenner
> Michael Johnson <un...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : My guess is that around the same time as 'darkwave' was coming into
> : use in Germany as a new generic term, Projekt was looking around for a
> : term to describe the music the label was involved with that didn't
> : have the turn-off factor that the G-word has for much of the
> : mainstream music biz.
>
> Yep. We should build a euphemism collection.
Don't forget electroclash.
Joseph Brenner
Red Drag Diva <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> writes:
> Michael Johnson <un...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : My guess is that around the same time as 'darkwave' was coming into
> : use in Germany as a new generic term, Projekt was looking around for a
> : term to describe the music the label was involved with that didn't
> : have the turn-off factor that the G-word has for much of the
> : mainstream music biz.
>
Bat Fink
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> > "Certic" <P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > > The phrase used would have been "The Continent".
> >
> > It's always been Europe to me, like another place that the UK wasn't
> a part
> > of... I've never thought of myself as European! The 'Continent'
> was a
> > phrase my dad might have used.
> ---------
> So Britain is in Africa, is it?
Eh? What has Africa got to do with it?
Europe is the 2nd smallest Continent, and if you really want to be
pedantic, its the Eurasian Peninsula. Now the Europe we all know and
'love' today was brought about after WWII. So the term Europe has been
around for a long long time.
Charlie Tuna
Danzig? Not Metal (at least not early stuff like "Twist of Cain").
Punk? Goth? Yes. I was just last night listening to the Damned "The
Black Album" and it strikes me how much of the era "darkwave" became a
term, though no matter how dark, psychedelic or draconian The Damned
were they were still just punk-gothic-psychedelic vomit bits of good
taste and decorum as far as genre and good lyrical content and musical
ability goes, darkwave remained more a genre without humour I suppose,
as opposed to The Damned, who were king rockers of sorts...
Tom..
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Wasn't there also "posi-punk" originally? I'm too young to really know. :)
Tom
oldgoth
> ---------
> So Britain is in Africa, is it?
No... Britain is that island off the coast of Europe. A bit west of it.
martin oldgoth
website: www.insanitorium.co.uk
The Chrimbo Special at the new venue - 19th December 2004
oldgoth
> Don't forget electroclash.
Oh go on, please can I? I've been trying really hard...
Joseph Brenner
> "Joseph Brenner" <do...@kzsu.stanford.edu> wrote:
> > Red Drag Diva <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> writes:
> >
> >> Michael Johnson <un...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> : My guess is that around the same time as 'darkwave' was coming into
> >> : use in Germany as a new generic term, Projekt was looking around for a
> >> : term to describe the music the label was involved with that didn't
> >> : have the turn-off factor that the G-word has for much of the
> >> : mainstream music biz.
> >>
> >> Yep. We should build a euphemism collection.
> >
> > Don't forget electroclash.
>
> Wasn't there also "posi-punk" originally? I'm too young to really know. :)
You mean "post-punk"? Yeah, that was one of the terms
kicking around in the early 80s when it was clear that
punk was mutating into something else, but no one really
knew what it was. I don't know that that would qualify as
a euphemism, exactly.
("Posi-punk, on the other hand, doesn't sound right at all.
That would be things like "Wham", possibly.)
Nyx
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>
> Wasn't there also "posi-punk" originally? I'm too young to really
> know. :)
>
There was Post-punk, which includes the Pixies, Throwing Muses, Husker Du
and some other bands. But I don't remember a posi-punk.
Nyx
Joseph Brenner
Red Drag Diva <f...@thingy.apana.org.au> writes:
> Joseph Brenner <do...@kzsu.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Not only have I never seen that used as a euphemism for goth, it doesn't
> even work as a euphemism for EBM, industrial in general or synthpop.
A bunch of stuff that might've been shoe-horned into goth, was later
shoe-horned into electroclash, though.
"Future Bible Heroes" vs. "Ladytron". Do these two belong
in different categories?
18hz
called goth, there was positive punk. This may have included bands
like Rubella Ballet. I'm not sure what was so positive about them,
but their fans wore fluoro clothing mixed in with the black, possibly
in the interests of road safety.
--
Iain x http://18hz.com
'Your search - SDL biker stylee goth trousers - did not match any documents'
Michael Johnson
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:23:28 +0000, 18hz <flyo...@moron.af.mil>
wrote:
>Nyx <n...@sxxxy.org> wrote:
>>"Tom.." <kori...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wasn't there also "posi-punk" originally? I'm too young to really
>>> know. :)
>>There was Post-punk, which includes the Pixies, Throwing Muses, Husker Du
>>and some other bands. But I don't remember a posi-punk.
Posipunk = positive punk.
Really just one of those instant media catchphrases - in this case
coined by an NME writer in 1983. But it did describe a strand of punk
that was a bit more glam and outward-looking compared to the Oi stuff
that was around at the time, and which, in retrospect, was a precursor
of goth.
>According to the lost scrolls of Tom Vague, before goth was definitely
>called goth, there was positive punk. This may have included bands
>like Rubella Ballet. I'm not sure what was so positive about them,
>but their fans wore fluoro clothing mixed in with the black, possibly
>in the interests of road safety.
As ever in matters such as this, Pete Scathe is our friend:
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/posipunk.htm
Here's the front door of Pete's History of Goth site, if you want to
take it from the top:
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/histgoth.htm
--
The subcultural life of Uncle Nemesis:
The positive punk years: http://www.nemesis.tp
Dancing about architecture: http://www.starvox.net
whisky-dave
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>> ---------
>> So Britain is in Africa, is it?
>
> No... Britain is that island off the coast of Europe. A bit west of it.
>
Yep, there's a program about our country (well the people anyway) on BBC3
9pm Tuesday, repeated on fridays about 11pm I think.
I'ts called little Britain :-)
Joseph Brenner
Michael Johnson <un...@globalnet.co.uk> writes:
> 18hz <flyo...@moron.af.mil> wrote:
>
> >Nyx <n...@sxxxy.org> wrote:
>
> >>"Tom.." <kori...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Wasn't there also "posi-punk" originally? I'm too young to really
> >>> know. :)
>
> >>There was Post-punk, which includes the Pixies, Throwing Muses, Husker Du
> >>and some other bands. But I don't remember a posi-punk.
>
> Posipunk = positive punk.
>
> Really just one of those instant media catchphrases - in this case
> coined by an NME writer in 1983.
Ah, around the same time as "straight-edge"...
villagecloud
> Bat <nospa...@cyberden.com> wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
> > It was only MANY years later that I saw the term perk up elsewhere such as
> > on the Projekt label, etc.
>
> were the quintessential "darkwave" bands of the mid- to late-1990s. I
> think of the classic Projekt bands (Lycia, etc.) as "ethereal" rather
> than "darkwave", despite the label adopting the term.
>
> (Meanwhile there was a bunch of UK bands, and indeed a label, trying to
> push the term "darkbeat" for their own electronic/goth sound -- but
> that's another story...)
I definitely agree with this. It's worth noting, however, that the
same bands turn up under different labels on differetn compialtions. I
have one with Das Ich and Project Pitchfork wherein they're referred
to as "darkwave," another where they're called "industrial," and yet
another where the comp simply labels itself "goth," and I'm sure there
are many other subgenre titles in which they've been placed. In other
words, somebody could make a case that darkwave doesn't even exist.
I think the music stores who simply put everything alphabetically have
the right idea, really.
--The Village Cloud
Varizo...
Fischer Spooner seem alrite, and Felix Da Housecat and Miss Kitten And The Hacker.
V.
DJ Daimon
Tuna) wrote:
NM are not darkwave... Racist black metal, yes, but darkwave, no...
That being said, I love their music, hate their lyrics - took me a
long time to be as brave as The End Records and give them the boot
from my music collection.
Ontario Metal Pages - The Ultimate Authority on Metal in Ontario
http://www.ontariometal.net
Advertise here for only $14.95 per month. Ask me how.
Rachael
> Electroclash is just Chris and Cosey 33rpms played at 78rpm.
> Or Real Life 33s played at 45rpm.
Great! May I quote you on occasion?
Rachael
listening to Zoviet*France
--
"Suavia musae... me delectant, me deiciunt, me consolantur."
Plutocratic rule and power / Rich fat small balls' final hour
Big last gulp end of reign / Flush dictators down the drain
- KMFDM - Jihad - WWIII (2003)
Rachael
> What's the quality of the de.wikipedia articles on g*th in general?
AFAICT most of the articles are of an astounding quality. I do
have to admit, though, that I scrutinised the articles dealing
with (post)industrial with particular interest and the necessary
background knowledge whereas I paid only passing attention to
the details of gothdom as explained in the articles.
Good example: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbbing_Gristle
I wouldn't expect any other encyclopedia outside the subcultural
context to offer such an insightful article on TG.
Rachael
listening to I:Wound
--
"Suavia musae... me delectant, me deiciunt, me consolantur."
We're interested in information, we're not interested in music
as such. - Throbbing Gristle - news:rec.music.industrial -rmi
Joseph Brenner
Rachael <RachaelN...@gmx.Dot> writes:
> Red Drag Diva scripsit:
>
> > What's the quality of the de.wikipedia articles on g*th in general?
>
> AFAICT most of the articles are of an astounding quality.
By they way, I took a stab at re-writing the stub for
"Darkwave" in the english wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkwave
It's currently sprouting a long list of "commonly sited"
German darkwave bands (I just said "Das Ich" and "Project
Pitchfork", myself). If some bold person who feels familiar
with the early 90s German "darkwave scene" was in the mood
to delete "commonly sited" bands that they had never heard
of, I'd appreciate it.
(And I like "Clan of Xymox" well enough... but "Darkwave"?
Really?).
Charlie Tuna
are racists allowed to advertise?
Tom..
"whisky-dave" <whisk...@final.front.ear> wrote in message
news:cnftm0$71g$1...@beta.qmul.ac.uk...
And guess who'll be watching this evening? Moi. :)
Though last week was the first time I'd seen it, it was still worth a good
laugh. As was Dead Ringers last night.
Tom
Rachael
Perhaps someone from d.s.s.g feels like checking/correcting it...
Rachael
listening to Zoviet*France
--
"Suavia musae... me delectant, me deiciunt, me consolantur."
Only four Goidelic languages survived into modern times: Irish
(Gaeilge), Scots Gaelic (Gàidhlig), Manx (Gaelg), and Shelta.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic - rec.music.industrial