Gothic Twilight calls for artwork and links
Webmaster
rest of the web.
It currently offers free email addresses and free gothic postcards.
I would like to add links from the site to gothic pages, yet I have none. If
you would like your link to be added,
mailto:webm...@gothictwilight.zzn.com with the subject line "Link".
The postcards site isnt completely up and running. I would like to feature
different artists for the postcards. I am currently working on some
photographs. If you have any artwork you would like to have featured,
mailto:webm...@gothictwilight.zzn.com with the subject line "Postcard".
If you would like information on any of the developments of the site you can
join the mailing list.
There is also a guestbook for comments.
www.geocities.com/localgoth/gothtwi/gothtwi.html
It isnt anything special yet but with your help it will be soon.
Thankyou.
Tiny Human Ferret
Au Han Bin wrote:
>
> hi actually i am curious what is the definiton of goth, and of gothic
> culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
No, surely it is not.
I will give you the polite answer.
To be very simple, gothic alludes to a fascination with the dark side of
life, not a fascination with evil, we just admit that life is not perfect
and pretty. There is evil, we observe it, we do not celebrate it. There is
good in life, for many of us the good in life is music, our friends, the way
we dress, intelligent conversation. Our music is in many cases very tribal,
we love it but nobody else likes it much. It's not bad music, it's just
usually more complex than most people will like, much like classical music:
very good stuff but not "popular".
Many of us are artists, many of us write much, though perhaps we don't write
professionally as a job or vocation. Goth can be easily explained to say
that we love beautiful things, but what we think is beautiful, many people
might think strange. Perhaps we think some things are beautiful _because_
other people think those things are strange; everything needs someone to
appreciate it, and even things like bats need to have people think they are
"cute".
We love beautiful things. Perhaps the greatest achievement of art, perhaps
the definition, is that with art, with skill, the commonplace may be
disguised to become a glory. While we are a new subculture, perhaps really
only 30 years old at most, we absorb elements of subcultures which go back a
very long ways through history. For instance, we (purists) take from the
ethic of the ancient Celtic Druids an admonition to memorize an epic cycle
of a people, a culture, an artistic movement, or a political ideal. Also,
whoever has the talent will discover the entirety of a field of art
sufficiently as to be a competent critic. We also take similar elements from
the Geisha subculture. Refinement of art, refinement of skill, refinement of
person are all considered desirable by the older, more-experienced Goths. As
my personal opinion, to speak only for myself, I believe we have much to
learn about the beauty of precision and "thusness" from such formal
subcultures as the Geisha, the Elders of any other culture who preserve
precise ways -- I am myself fascinated by Cambodian dance, I don't
understand it but it is definitely beautiful -- and practices of art. I also
believe that our subculture will evolve its own distinctive patterns,
perhaps our best subcultural attribute is that we seek for beauty and
understanding and will mold ourselves according to whichever practice will
bring more beauty into our lives.
Many of us are fond of cemeteries. Many people have unpleasant reminders
from cemeteries; they only are in cemeteries when someone they love has died
and the memories are too strong and sad. But we recognize that the eternal
monuments were created as things of beauty to remind the future that the
past was a thing of beauty, and now is in the earth, all things pass on, we
ourselves will one day be in the earth and we would not want to be left all
alone to rot, forgotten by all. So we will tour the cemeteries, to witness
the memorials to people who are, to us, strangers. We may say, they have
such a lovely monument, someone must have loved them very much to mark their
passage with such beauty. Some people might think that we glorify death, but
we celebrate life -- and death is a part of life. We come from the world and
are part of it, and in the end we rejoin the world as part of the earth.
Life is a cycle, death is a milestone, and do we live in the memories of
others? -- we can hope that someday people like us will come to see our
beautiful monuments and wonder who we were, and what we did, and perhaps in
some way, we will live in the memories of strangers, as we honor the
memories of strangers by visiting the monuments to their earthly remains.
But also there is a small dark side to our subculture. Often, our members
come from those young intelligentsia who find that their parent culture has
little to offer us as we mature. We strike out on our own. Often we are very
sad; there is in this world much pain and horror. We may look as if we are
pretending to be the most sinister or frightening icons of our parent
culture, but this may be because one may through mockery dis-empower those
unflattering elements. But it is true that many of us are very emotionally
depressed, because the world is a terrible place where people do horrible
things to other people for stupid reasons. This may be the central element
of our movement. We are surrounded by horror, great horrors, and also small
horrors, and we are damaged by this.
Some of "Goth" is merely trendy hangers-on, people who fancy the music or
the fashion but who do not reach down to the ethic. For those of us who are
"real" and not "poseurs", we are sad, we are horrified, we represent
ourselves as horrors in an abreactive mime designed to shock the mainstream
world from its complacency about -- and acceptance of -- casual horror in
everyday life, accepted as "de-rigeur" so far as it isn't of personal
impact.
The subcultural hard-core of Goth is not much represented in many venues, if
you were to say "I shall investigate Goth" you will find many people
dressing as mimes in order to access sexual promiscuity in singles-bars. But
look beyond that... you will find a lot of artists and professionals with an
ethic which has at its core a pursuit of a somber and reflective beauty.
If you have anything in your own culture which is similar, we will be
pleased to be informed, as our search for somber beauty, and calm reflective
measurement and ritual -- and the music which might therefrom derive, is
never-ending. We are a young subculture, and formative influences are
welcome, whencever they may come. But please show us beauty... and above
all, show us Style.
Thank you for your honest curiosity.
--
"We look through a glass but darkly:
What we see is more colored by our beliefs,
than what we believe is colored by what we see."
Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/
Au Han Bin
culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
Dans La Porcelaine
being depressed, moping, brooding, sighing, only coming out at night,
spilling white make up all down the front of your favourite black shirt,
being pretentious, believing no one else could possibly be as pretentious as
one's self, luring normal happy well-adjusted kids into awful terrible
anti-social things with the aid of ambient music, more black and
occasionally candles (black of course). Or at least that's what I read in
the paper this morning...
Dans La Porcelaine
Au Han Bin wrote in message ...
>hi actually i am curious what is the definiton of goth, and of gothic
>culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
>
<snip of lots of things unrelated to black>
Kitty
Don't be silly. (by the way, you crossposted. Crossposting is SPAM and is
therefore evil!!)
I'd say, first and foremost, being 'goth' is about individuality and
rejection of society and the expectations society places upon people.
If anyone else would like to continue this, I'd be honoured, because I'm
about to fall asleep....
~Kitty~
--
--- And with that I dragged him kicking and screaming into the twentieth
century. How was I to know he had an allergy to knives?
Au Han Bin <sci7...@leonis.nus.edu.sg> wrote in message
news:Pine.SGI.4.02.10002...@leonis.nus.edu.sg...
> hi actually i am curious what is the definiton of goth, and of gothic
> culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
>
>
Kitty
Much better than I could have put it, in my present state of mind....
~kitty~
--
--- And with that I dragged him kicking and screaming into the twentieth
century. How was I to know he had an allergy to knives?
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote in message
news:389A4A6E...@clark.net...
Sandy Herrick
Kitty wrote:
>
> No, of course not.
> Don't be silly. (by the way, you crossposted. Crossposting is SPAM and is
> therefore evil!!)
> I'd say, first and foremost, being 'goth' is about individuality and
> rejection of society and the expectations society places upon people.
> If anyone else would like to continue this, I'd be honoured, because I'm
> about to fall asleep....
>
> ~Kitty~
>
> --
> --- And with that I dragged him kicking and screaming into the twentieth
> century. How was I to know he had an allergy to knives?
> Au Han Bin <sci7...@leonis.nus.edu.sg> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SGI.4.02.10002...@leonis.nus.edu.sg...
> > hi actually i am curious what is the definiton of goth, and of gothic
> > culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
> >
> >
Empty
09:17:05 +0800:
>hi actually i am curious what is the definiton of goth, and of gothic
>culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
Really? Oh shit...
~Empty, hopping over to
rec.music.country-western.ifuckedmysisterandherlivestock
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Marcus Pan
<sci7...@leonis.nus.edu.sg> wrote:
>hi actually i am curious what is the definiton of goth, and of gothic
>culture? surely, it isnt just abt wearing black
I think we just hit a "what is..." max record for the week...
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Au Han Bin
can u be a christian or a buddhist and a goth at the same time? does the
gothic culture contradict mainstream beliefs or lifestyles?
g5sgoril
babys and then ate the pickled muslim placenta to pass the initiation into
the dark cult of Karnaks i cut most ties with other organized religeons.
but then main stream beliefs and lifestyles have always made me want to
vomit blood. But then if some person came up to me and said look you talk
about modern death to much you cannot be a goth. You know i'd just say OK
but i'd have to ask then, what am I?........ sicko? freak? psycho? geek?
communist? lol
god damn i fear the day when they decide to include your 'category' in the
barcode they stamp into your neck.
hope that helps you out Au Han Bin. Remember some of the greatest buildings
ever were built by xtians....... I don't know about a successful goth but
a successful person steals anything from any culture or religeon they can to
make their life 'better'. specialisation is for insects
swarvegorilla........ too many jellyfish.
PS cross posting is not cool
Au Han Bin wrote in message ...
>
Kitty
> gothic culture contradict mainstream beliefs or lifestyles?
>
Yes, of course.
"Goth" is not a religion, it is a way of life.
Or perhaps, more an acceptance of life. And death.
I wouldn't know about being a Buddhist and gothic though, because Buddhism's
more a way of life than a religion.
But anyway (Kitty reclines and reaches for the caffeinne....)
~Kitty~
Kitty
What can I say?
......(sigh).....
Sandy Herrick
not stop me from having my own beliefs or carrying on the way I please,
as long as I don't hurt others (try not to anyway)
~ Sandy ~
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> can u be a christian or a buddhist and a goth at the same time? does the
> gothic culture contradict mainstream beliefs or lifestyles?
It's really more about aesthetic choices than about choices of a religious
or moral nature.
Many Goths are Christian, and according to a program I saw on Buddhism
recently, it might be that Buddhism (of some kinds) and the Goth aesthetic
of life might be fairly close.
Alizta
" HOOORAYY, the popst is dead (nearly)"
the coffeinist Alizta
g5sgoril schrieb:
>
> I don't know about that.......... after i sacrificed the three christian
> babys and then ate the pickled muslim placenta to pass the initiation into
> the dark cult of Karnaks i cut most ties with other organized religeons.
> but then main stream beliefs and lifestyles have always made me want to
> vomit blood. But then if some person came up to me and said look you talk
> about modern death to much you cannot be a goth. You know i'd just say OK
> but i'd have to ask then, what am I?........ sicko? freak? psycho? geek?
> communist? lol
> god damn i fear the day when they decide to include your 'category' in the
> barcode they stamp into your neck.
> hope that helps you out Au Han Bin. Remember some of the greatest buildings
> ever were built by xtians....... I don't know about a successful goth but
> a successful person steals anything from any culture or religeon they can to
> make their life 'better'. specialisation is for insects
> swarvegorilla........ too many jellyfish.
>
> PS cross posting is not cool
>
> Au Han Bin wrote in message ...
> >
Tom Woodman
Au Han Bin wrote in message ...
>
>can u be a christian or a buddhist and a goth at the same time? does the
>gothic culture contradict mainstream beliefs or lifestyles?
>
It depends, the Gothic culture is based around being open to all thoughts.
Most religons are against this....
It is possible but not very likely.
Nyx
wrote:
No it's not. It's based around being slightly morbid and looking good
in black.
We aren't open to.....say...tanning, for instance. That's a thought we
aren't open to. There are several others.
I wonder where these people get this stuff that we're open to all
thoughts. We aren't, you have us confused with hippies.
Nyx
ICQ 9744630
"I just want more than one membership to more than one club
Ani DiFranco
Miss Hyde
contradiction in my life, it is so baroque!
--
Miss E. Hyde
UIN: 1635058
"In all of us there are two natures in war- the good and evil
Our lives are guided by this conflict, and one of this natures will
dominate.
It´s in our hands the power of choosing which way to follow."
Dr. Henry Jekyll
Tom Woodman <woo...@acadia.net> escreveu nas notícias de
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Bianca Black
wrote:
>Well, Í am buddhist, and i can live with that, it is just another
>contradiction in my life, it is so baroque!
>
Why not? The important thing is to be confortable with who you are.
Perhaps it was some new ingredients added to your potion miss Hyde...
:-)
BlackBianca
http://www.geocities.com/blackbianca
Where all can roam naked in the dark...
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*Burrs*
Words have no meaning
So questions no answers
Deep is the dreaming
Of those who were dancers
Moonlit and pale
Thistle and thorn
Whispered betrayal
Pierced by the horn
Trudging in circles
Round they dance
Burr, thistle, thorn
Each step in a trance
Is there any right?
Is there any cause?
As the wind of night
Without mercy it claws
Asleep is the dreamer
Asleep in the thorns
The burrs pile deeper
The nightmare is born
Trudging in circles
Round they dance
Burr, thistle, thorn
Each step in a trance
Decay upon rot
Withered tree bends
Swinging slipknot
Evidence the end
In time suspended
A place with no answers
The pain has ended
Of those who were dancers
Chris and the Clones (c) 1998
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