Attracted to my style?
smokeserpent
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted to
me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend of
mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me. His
friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that this
guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a lot.
If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they like
me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
problem?
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>Does anyone else have this problem?
Yep. When you live in a town with a small gothic population, and you
aren't physically or mentally repulsive, it is quite common to have some
repressed "normals" wanting to live out their wild romantic fantasies with
a dark and mysterious stranger.
I've been chased by women, and even more men, most of which have been very
scary and/or mentally ill. It really bugs me when people who don't know me
feed all these bullshit gothic stereotypes into me, because, well, they
often aren't true.
The upside is, if you are feeling kind of lonely and a cute, younger NINy
starts fawning over you.........
@ustin
"Crying amid the glittering sea,
Naming it with ecstatic breath,
Because it had such dignity
By the sweet name of Death." - W.B. Yeats
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Story snipped
> Muldar/FBI fetish. Besides all that, is there any one who has had a similar
> problem?
Oh yeah. When I was in HS I was The Freak, weird clothes, hair that
changed every 2 weeks, really open sexuality. Junior year (my last) all
these freshman girls started trying to act like me. They'd wear nose
clips, dye their hair, wear black and say "I'm bi". Oh my gods, it was
so funny. They looked really pathetic and got so scared when I went over
to them with my two punk/gothy friends, one of whom actually had drunk
blood (yes he's fucked up). They wouldn't look straight at us. We had a
lot of fun making jokes about them that went way over their heads.
But none of them imitated my see-through dress and dom boots. Damn,
that would have been a kodak moment for sure.
Persephone
In article <01bbff39$5e201440$254601cf@default>, "Spizzle Trunk"
<pa...@psnw.com> wrote:
> sometimes when i go out to the swinger's clubs that i go to....a lot of
> people will try and be cool with me just because i dont' liek to wear any
> clothes...so yeah. i can sympathize. I mean, it's what's on the inside
> that counts right?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... don't like to wear any clothes.
So anyway, yeah. the other day this older guy followed me around
the store and I had to pretend that I was a mute/Russian newcomer
"You American" he kept asking and I kept pretending that I didn't
either hear him or speak english... <sigh> we wanted for me out
side of the store untill he saw that I had a rather large man
waiting for me in the car...
Persephone.
slchen
There was one person who said he wanted to be me.
Maybe it was a pick-up line.
lXs
listening to Idaho
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Spizzle Trunk
sometimes when i go out to the swinger's clubs that i go to....a lot of
people will try and be cool with me just because i dont' liek to wear any
clothes...so yeah. i can sympathize. I mean, it's what's on the inside
that counts right?
smokeserpent <smokes...@psnw.com> wrote in article
<01bbfe9c$6e114740$494601cf@smokeserpent>...
Camp Koala
> Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted to
> me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
> telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend of
> mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me.
His
> friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that
this
> guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a
lot.
> If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they
like
> me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
> problem?
I am a junior in high school (male) and have noticed an odd peculiarity. I
have a black trench coat that I wear almost all of the time (along with my
other black clothing and chains, studs, etc.) Some fellow students started
kind of obsessing over my coat, like they had never seen anything like it.
About 2 or 3 months after school started, I noticed that some of these
students adopted the look, with a few exceptions. They tuck their shirts in
and comb their short, neatly trimmed, and hairsprayed into position hair ,
and otherwise follow all of the other sylistic practices of my school. I
would ordinarily be fine with this, except that these people are super
shallow, and only want the look. They don't know what gothic is! I have
asked. One person of about 5 of these people actually shows some promise.
He keeps asking me to teach him about the occult (I deny him this because
although knowledgeable in the subject, I do not practice or follow it.) I
am not sure if they are directly copying me, or have some kind of Fox
slchen
se...@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Persephone) writes:
>either hear him or speak english... <sigh> we wanted for me out
>side of the store untill he saw that I had a rather large man
>waiting for me in the car...
That could be intimidating.
lXs
who is going to go off and eat a grapefruit now because
she is out of tangerines
obsessively listening to Idaho
from _the Lost Boys_
"Face it, you're a creature of the undead... Wait 'til I tell Mom!"
Tracy Miller
In article <01bbfe9c$6e114740$494601cf@smokeserpent> "smokeserpent" <smokes...@psnw.com> writes:
> Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted to
>me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
>telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend of
>mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me. His
>friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that this
>guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a lot.
>If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they like
>me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
>problem?
>--
I used to have this problem in high school. I really hated it and felt like I
was being treated like an exotic bird or something. I'll never forget the
day the football player who sat next to me in Biology leaned over and said
(well *leared* really) "You look like you'd be really fun to go out with" I
came back with the ever-so-witty response of "Well, *you'll* never know."
(Yes, I know I could have done better...)
Cairo
Veronica Mason
"Camp Koala" <camp...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted to
>> me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
>> telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend of
>> mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me.
>His
>> friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that
>this
>> guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a
>lot.
>> If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they
>like
>> me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
>> problem?
>
>have a black trench coat that I wear almost all of the time (along with my
>other black clothing and chains, studs, etc.) Some fellow students started
>kind of obsessing over my coat, like they had never seen anything like it.
>About 2 or 3 months after school started, I noticed that some of these
>students adopted the look, with a few exceptions. They tuck their shirts in
>and comb their short, neatly trimmed, and hairsprayed into position hair ,
>and otherwise follow all of the other sylistic practices of my school. I
>would ordinarily be fine with this, except that these people are super
>shallow, and only want the look. They don't know what gothic is! I have
>asked. One person of about 5 of these people actually shows some promise.
>He keeps asking me to teach him about the occult (I deny him this because
>although knowledgeable in the subject, I do not practice or follow it.) I
>am not sure if they are directly copying me, or have some kind of Fox
>Muldar/FBI fetish. Besides all that, is there any one who has had a similar
>problem?
>
>
Before I went goth (if there is such a thing as going goth) I was
friends with a few older goths and knew about the society somewhat.
After that, this one chicky at my school dyed her hair black and started
wearing all black and even wore her socks like me. She wore her freaking
SOCKS like me b/c she thought it was a goth thing. She quickly gave it
up b/c "she didn't like to limit her wardrobe"
caspia
Lydia 13
This might be a little off subject, but I have this one friend that likes
to introduce me to his friends. They get all these crazy ideas about me,
probably from him, and he gets the biggest kick out of it. Sort of like
the "Token Freak" thing with him. I love him dearly and I must admit that
it is a bit funny, but it gets old really quick. I sort of feel like I'm
on display when we go anywhere.
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In <01bbfe9c$6e114740$494601cf@smokeserpent> "smokeserpent"
<smokes...@psnw.com> writes:
>
> Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted
to
>me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
>telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend
of
>mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me.
His
>friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that
this
>guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a
lot.
>If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they
like
>me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
>problem?
Personally, I'd never date a nongoth guy unless he was extremely
special. 'Course I'd go out with a gothguy in three shakes of a lamb's
tail, but let's not get into that.
I think they see me and think that I'm an enigma of some type. I
dunno. They just see the clothing, I suppose.
Usually I just look at the space right over their head when I talk
to 'em and that sends them off along their way . . .
Ethereal
who really hates
being asked out
by stupid frat boys
BTW: who ever
it was who told
me that patchouli
scares off men
is mostly right!
success at last!
Persephone
In article <5b8ptf$6...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>,
norm...@ix.netcom.com(Norman Padilla) wrote:
> Personally, I'd never date a nongoth guy unless he was extremely
> special.
Who could you ever tell if they were special if you don't get to
know them and hang out with them and stuff?!??
My husband was so not goth when we began dating and if
I had said hey you don't *dress* like me we wouldn't be in our
bliss... he is totally special and wonderful and even though
he still looks so not goth he really really really wants some
goth wardrobe... esp. pvc <tee hee> It's just that we have to
save up for it to get it for him... <wah>
>'Course I'd go out with a gothguy in three shakes of a lamb's
> tail, but let's not get into that.
I swear! Ethy! Looks are not everything and clothing is
sure as hell nothing... I mean anyone can put on some
"goth" type clothes and be seen as goth, or someone can
be goth for years and be a complete asshole. It's the
personality that really matters, since it's the personality
that will comfort you and take the time to work things out
with you... all bodies are pretty much the same when the are
naked, what makes them wonderful is the soul/personality/self
in side of that shell.
> I think they see me and think that I'm an enigma of some type. I
> dunno. They just see the clothing, I suppose.
And aren't you kinda doing the same thing?
"just see[ing] the clothing"
> who really hates being asked out by stupid frat boys
I am working on a frat. ethnology in connection with a formal
arch. dig, anyway I stoped attempting to do my ethnology
since I began to get *horrible* phone calls which used the most
awaful lang. I have never in my life heard such words put togeather
in such a way... icky poo!
> BTW: who ever it was who told me that patchouli
> scares off men is mostly right! success at last!
<tee hee> Mike loved that the most about the way I smell...
He loves he to wear patchouli! You better be carefull you might
get one that won't quite sniffing you! You might end you with a
husband to! <sniff sniff>
Persephone.
p.s. I luv ya Ethy, and knew that you wouldn't take what I say as
a flame. :) :) :) :) <crossing toes>
Zoe O'Reilly
Norman Padilla wrote:
>
> In <01bbff45$5cf97820$120b86d0@default> "Camp Koala"> ARGH! do not get me started!
> My loverly hair cut has been ripped off by so many people so many
> times I finally am just letting my hair grow out.
> I loved that hair cut. I just hate seeing it on other people . . .
> I suppose it's shallow of me, but I did it first dammit!
> what's worse, they're not even goffic. They're mostly the
> alternacrew . . .
> *not fair*
>
> ethereal
> who's hair is all puky
> now :P
And what kind of hair do you have?
Norman Padilla
Norman Padilla
In <seph-ya02318000...@agate.berkeley.edu>
se...@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Persephone) writes:
Ethereal the mostly hypocrital sighs and drags her bum to answer
the post . . .
>> Personally, I'd never date a nongoth guy unless he was extremely
>> special.
> Who could you ever tell if they were special if you don't get to
>know them and hang out with them and stuff?!??
okay. I know. I know. I know. It's the same stuff that my
friends are always telling me.
I realise that it has nothing to do with them, that it's me. I'm
trying hard to overcome this irrational fear I have with dating guys I
deem as 'unsafe' (goth guys, for one reason or another, are safe.
Prolly because I outweigh most of them . . . don't ask me why I see
them as nonthreatening, but that's the way it is for now) and I mostly
just say it like it's a superficial thing "oh, Iwouldn'tdateanongoth".
Though it's more then that.
I do have guy friends, I do hang out with my guy friends, but still
they're no one I would date. Usually they're either married or way too
old.
>My husband was so not goth when we began dating and if
>I had said hey you don't *dress* like me we wouldn't be in our
>bliss... he is totally special and wonderful and even though
>he still looks so not goth he really really really wants some
>goth wardrobe... esp. pvc <tee hee> It's just that we have to
>save up for it to get it for him... <wah>
:) I know what a sweety your husband is. I'm really glad that you
found someone.
>>'Course I'd go out with a gothguy in three shakes of a lamb's
>> tail, but let's not get into that.
> I swear! Ethy! Looks are not everything and clothing is
>sure as hell nothing... I mean anyone can put on some
>"goth" type clothes and be seen as goth, or someone can
>be goth for years and be a complete asshole.
I know. I know. I know. I've been telling myself that for years.
Mostly it's just a lust thing.
I guess this just proves that even those of us who consider
ourselves openminded are not really as openminded as we thought we
were.
I'll get over eventually. Maybe not soon, but I'm trying to work
on it.
>It's the
>personality that really matters, since it's the personality
>that will comfort you and take the time to work things out
>with you... all bodies are pretty much the same when the are
>naked, what makes them wonderful is the soul/personality/self
>in side of that shell.
I know. I know. I know. I guess I'm just fed up with having to
deal with all the jerks along side with the 'good guys'. And the 'good
guys' are usually no one I would date either. I'm too picky for my own
good. One of my friends would saying the other day that it sounds like
I want to date someone who's a replica of myself. I think she's right.
*sigh*
>> dunno. They just see the clothing, I suppose.
> And aren't you kinda doing the same thing?
>"just see[ing] the clothing"
No. I just see that they're guys. That's enough for me. And
clothes work in the matter too. Just that they happened to be born
male makes me nervous around them. There are actually few guy friends
that I'm comfortable around. As I said, for one reason or another,
'goth' guys are labeled as 'safe' in my book (do not ask me why. It's
totally stupid), and seeing as there are very few availible gothboys
around here, I suppose I'm going to be ultra 'safe' for a long while
now.
>p.s. I luv ya Ethy, and knew that you wouldn't take what I say as
>a flame. :) :) :) :) <crossing toes>
I know. It's okay. It was me who's just made a total hyprocrite
out of herself in front of the entire NG, but I've dealt with social
blunders before . . . Sorry to make you all go through my mental
problems.
ethereal
who's going to go
hide under her bed
listen to some joy division
and cry
BTW: I, in no way,
am trying to male
bash. this is the
really the way I
feel and I'm sure
that there are lots
of really nice male
persons out there
if only I could one
with whom I wouldn't
feel so damn threatened
around
slchen
norm...@ix.netcom.com(Norman Padilla) writes:
Dear ethy, although I agree with Persephone, I'm going to give you
a comforting stance. What makes you find "attraction" to someone
else can't quite be quantified, but clothing and hair have always
been indicators to tell other people what a person is like...
And if one's been burnt and tossed, it hurts to venture far
and search and still be optimistic. It's reasonable to want "safe."
Like for instance, I always have said I don't listen to gothic music...
but after being bombarded with Heather Rose's and Thad's CD
collections, I have heard a lot of gothic music. It's not true
that I don't listen to gothic music, because I have... it's just
not my preference most of the time. I don't go out of my way
to dis gothic music and I truly keep hoping to find something
that I'd like... but I'm sure to some, gothic music gives them
an experience that they luvluvluv, but I also know that when I was
at the Monsters of Slumberland tour, I absolutely felt like
I was having a religious experience, that my total being was
in sway. Of course, understand that preferences change over time,
based on experience and the situation. My top fave bands last
year have all took a dive (i.e. released really sucky albums)
It's OK to feel mixed-up some of the time... 'tis one of those
natural states one goes thru
> ethereal
> who's going to go
> hide under her bed
> listen to some joy division
> and cry
uh-oh gundy is zipping right over there cuz JD is his fave band
*bounce* *bounce* on ethy.
lXs
listening to Chapterhouse B-sides
WEARing BLACK socks (really, my feet are cold) BLACK leggings,
BLACK silk/angora bunny hair sweater, and a BLACK Smiths T-shirt
who put Revlon Love That Red over her BLACK np that was growing
out and it looks quite hideous and fiendish, like she had been
clawing at some poor dead animal
Persephone
> But none of them imitated my see-through dress and dom boots.
Ummm... but...... but....
you *forgot* to say what underthings you were wearing!!!
Persephone.
Zoe O'Reilly
s.bo...@centuryinter.net
Camp Koala wrote:
>
> > Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted to
> > me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
> > telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend of
> > mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me.
> His
> > friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that
> this
> > guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a
> lot.
> > If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they
> like
> > me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
> > problem?
>
> have a black trench coat that I wear almost all of the time (along with my
> other black clothing and chains, studs, etc.) Some fellow students started
> kind of obsessing over my coat, like they had never seen anything like it.
> About 2 or 3 months after school started, I noticed that some of these
> students adopted the look, with a few exceptions. They tuck their shirts in
> and comb their short, neatly trimmed, and hairsprayed into position hair ,
> and otherwise follow all of the other sylistic practices of my school. I
> would ordinarily be fine with this, except that these people are super
> shallow, and only want the look. They don't know what gothic is! I have
> asked. One person of about 5 of these people actually shows some promise.
> He keeps asking me to teach him about the occult (I deny him this because
> although knowledgeable in the subject, I do not practice or follow it.) I
> am not sure if they are directly copying me, or have some kind of Fox
> problem?
>
>
Wow I have actually had both of these problems. One time I was in a
music store and this very normal guy came up to me and my friend and
said to me "See that guy over there - He thinks you're pretty!". The
friend was this mutated normal. He had that perfect hairspayed into
place normal guy hair (the same as in the above paragraph) but he was
wearing a Korn T-shirt and black jeans with some chains hanging from
them. I was kinda embarassed.My friend wouldn't stop laughing as I
dragged her out the door!
And yes, people @ my school have tried to copy my clothes etc. - but
only for halloween :) I'm not even kidding. They day before Halloween a
couple of preppy girls asked me if they could borrow various articles of
my clothing so they could dress like "modern witches"! I flatly refused
and the next day about five of them wore all black clothes - but from
the Gap ! It looked pretty ridiculous!
Larissa
Persephone
In article <32D95D...@azstarnet.com>, z...@azstarnet.com wrote:
> Persephone wrote:
> > Ummm... but...... but....
> > you *forgot* to say what underthings you were wearing!!!
> I didn't forget. *smirk*
ZOE!!!!!.......You are a *horrible* tease! <hee>
Persephone.
Zoe O'Reilly
Oh I knnooooww! *fluttering eyes* But isn' it nice?
Zoe - shameless hussy
http://www.azstarnet.com/~zoe/zoehome.htm
Nelly Mercado
s.bo...@centuryinter.net wrote:
> And yes, people @ my school have tried to copy my clothes etc. - but
> only for halloween :) I'm not even kidding. They day before Halloween a
> couple of preppy girls asked me if they could borrow various articles of
> my clothing so they could dress like "modern witches"! I flatly refused
> and the next day about five of them wore all black clothes - but from
> the Gap ! It looked pretty ridiculous!
>
> Larissa
My problem is a little bit different: the guys of my school want to be like
me! I usually wear band t-shirts and skirts (velvet, etc.) or lace blouses
with coats. I think they are intimidated by my clothes and my temperament,
because nobody asks me out (I think I look better than most girls of the
school. Anyway, I have a boyfriend). But they want to borrow my tshirts and
my coats, my cd's, to invite them to concerts.... which I never do.
Some guy is always chasing me, trying to impress me... one day, he told me
"my parents made me throw away all my black clothes!" He has only a black
plastic jacket.
Every day he told me something stupid, and every time that happened, I
shouted something nasty to him (the truth). Until I shouted him in front of
every person of the school "you are a poser!!" He hasn't bothered me since
that.
*hope I had no mistakes, I'm still learning English!*
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Morgion de Cantinshire
> Lately, I've been noticing a lot of non-goth guys being attracted to
>me. The other day, at a party, this one guy comes up to me and starts
>telling me he likes the way I dress and so on. Another day, I friend of
>mine tells me that he has a friend that was asking questions about me. His
>friend said that I looked 'so goth'...and now my friend tells me that this
>guy wants to go out with me. This sort of stuff has been happening a lot.
>If I were going to go out with somebody, I want it to be because they like
>me...not my clothes or what I look like. Does anyone else have this
>problem?
>--
Well, I'm a guy, but some of the girls I know get wierd when I come
into a class at HS. In one of my classes, some normals nearly threw
me a party when they saw my new studded leather dog collar ( I have a
thing for pet items). And when I wear my chain choker, they all pull
it and say that it is sexy that I am "submissive".
Whatever.
But at least none of the Mansonites have copied my invertness-like
leather jacket.
Morgion de Cantinshire
--
"I've found that all cliches are true." - Quentin Collins
"Humanity is indeed comic, but the joke is on mankind" - H.P. Lovecraft
"Take no prisoners in the promised war." - Fields of the Nephilim
Morgion de Cantinshire {mor...@yvv.com}
Charlie
I know a few gothic girls who are total jerks to any guy that tries to
even make friends with them generally because "they're not goth." I don't
tend to look goth I suppose, so these particular girls wouldn't give me a
glance. I don't care really because they are, as I said before, rather
wenchy to the general male population. The sad bit of this is that if I
wore a leather biker jacket, a spiked collar, army boots, and had purple
highlights in my hair they would most likely talk to me and possibly
immediately befriend me.
Why is it that the clothes are so important to some "goths"? Why can't
a goth wear a nice business suit yet still be goth at heart? Becuase he's
not daring? Rather it's probably he'd loose his job, or maybe he just
wants to look fancy and nice. I want to look that way sometimes, but I
don't think that should immediately make me non-goth.
My point is that too many people involved in the gothic scene use
clothing, and styles of hair and whatnot as the sole basis of if someone
is goth or not. I view the clothes and styles as the fun part of it, but
not a necissary part.
Being goth is not about the clothes. (IMHO).
No, I don't know what this has to do directly with this thread.
This isn't really directed at anyone here.
This ends the disclaimers for this message. :-)
--Charlie
BTW: I've noticed no one really replies to anything I write. Someone
once told me this was becuase my messages are unauthorized (I wouldn't
know, I don't get headers.) If so, then damn. If not then maybe I'm not
really writing these and they're all in my head. Maybe I don't exist....
(too much philosophy class for me.)
kielle
rugg...@pilot.msu.edu (Charlie) wrote:
: I know a few gothic girls who are total jerks to any guy that tries to
:even make friends with them generally because "they're not goth." I don't
:tend to look goth I suppose, so these particular girls wouldn't give me a
:glance. I don't care really because they are, as I said before, rather
:wenchy to the general male population. The sad bit of this is that if I
:wore a leather biker jacket, a spiked collar, army boots, and had purple
:highlights in my hair they would most likely talk to me and possibly
:immediately befriend me.
well, actually, there are plenty of very normal-dressing ppl out there who
also won't talk to you unless you, too, are normal-looking. Or also wear
fetish-dress. Or also look like a Harley rider. Etc, etc. It's part of the
human condition, it's how we know "who's in our corner," in a manner of
speaking. Yes, it's also very superficial. But it's part of who we are.
: My point is that too many people involved in the gothic scene use
:clothing, and styles of hair and whatnot as the sole basis of if someone
:is goth or not. I view the clothes and styles as the fun part of it, but
:not a necissary part.
True, and I agree. For instance, a (now) very good friend of mine & his SO
I met o/l, and after several months of email & chatting via irc, we finally
met r/l. Both he & his SO are what I consider old-school goth, as I used to
be. My husband, however, is a classic old-school hippy (which basically
means you can dress him in anything & he's happy, he's not too worried
about appearances, which I enjoy). Turns out the four of us are now very
good friends, despite the fact that I dress (mostly cause of limited
income, can only afford clothes for work) extremely conservatively, and my
SO wears old tshirts and blue jeans and our two friends ook like walking
fashion statements. <g>
The most wonderful thing about this medium is that you hear my voice & my
thoughts & my opinions, and I yours, *before* you have a chance to see me
across a crowded club, or in the subway, or while shopping, and judge me
based solely on how I look.
Besides, I'd have to say that after close to ten years in the clubs, and
another fifteen for my SO (who did sound in the clubs, and enjoyed his
share of goth music, ironically enough) I think it's far less solely a
fashion statement than it is a way of thinking, walking, and carrying
oneself, a point of view. I personally have noticed a trend in most
long-term goths towards a rather sardonic point of view, which is very much
my own personal style. There was also always a certain je-ne-sais-quoi
about goths I could never quite put my finger on, until someone in the bdsm
scene (of all places) said, "it's living life without concern for 'normal'
conventions."
again, just my two dinar.
kyle
"Pain is not the answer, but a ways and means of achieving it"
Lady Trill
>> Personally, I'd never date a nongoth guy unless he was extremely
>> special.
My nongoth guy is *very very* special....after all, he's moving to Dallas
from San Diego to be with me. *boing!*
Trill
~~~GothCode v3.0 GoCS5)6($ TAnFeNr8 PShDeSa B8Bk!"2 cBKG(BR)s6 V7s M1p4 ZGoPusTeiClbJab C9o a21(17) n5 b52 H175 g7!????A mEa7Na1Ey1T1@S6# w7! v7D r7EBISP p3Z565Z D88~* h9(TAnPSh) sF8MSrNn k6BdSMmDspRWT N0794JWH HflSp2 LusTX9~~~ Rilly lame-ass site with some goth links: http://members.aol.com/ladytrill
slchen
rugg...@pilot.msu.edu (Charlie) writes:
> Why is it that the clothes are so important to some "goths"? Why can't
>a goth wear a nice business suit yet still be goth at heart? Becuase he's
>not daring? Rather it's probably he'd loose his job, or maybe he just
>wants to look fancy and nice. I want to look that way sometimes, but I
>don't think that should immediately make me non-goth.
Difficult to judge. Prolly, one can look fancy and nice and still
look goth...
Eh. A reason for this newsgroup?
> My point is that too many people involved in the gothic scene use
>clothing, and styles of hair and whatnot as the sole basis of if someone
>is goth or not. I view the clothes and styles as the fun part of it, but
>not a necissary part.
> Being goth is not about the clothes. (IMHO).
Different people draw different dividing lines.
I remember when this thread was up about the 2nd time around...
and I had written all this stvf
and I got this e-mail from a frat boy claiming to be goth
It was about how much he was into horror movies
Much as I don't think that's a gauge for gothicity...
no one likes to go into these measures of gothicity
(Unless of course you have your Official Goth Membership
Card then well...)
There's always the Are you a goth? test on Take A Bite...
I think that's only available ftp now that Sexbat's site
doesn't seem to have it anymore.
>--Charlie
> BTW: I've noticed no one really replies to anything I write. Someone
Grand de-lurking and Intro's could help.
lXs
listening to the CURE
whose gundy is too distracted by the snow outside
slchen
f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) writes:
>On 10 Jan 1997 21:02:14 -0800, slchen <slc...@alcor.usc.edu> wrote:
>Any phrase whatsoever that will start a conversation is a pickup line.
what if it doesn't start a conversation?
lXs
Danie|
s.bo...@centuryinter.net wrote:
> And yes, people @ my school have tried to copy my clothes etc. - but
shoes. I must say I looked pretty scary . . . 08ลข
~Danie|
David Gerard
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 02:38:26 GMT, kielle <f...@pipeline.com> wrote:
:The most wonderful thing about this medium is that you hear my voice & my
:thoughts & my opinions, and I yours, *before* you have a chance to see me
:across a crowded club, or in the subway, or while shopping, and judge me
:based solely on how I look.
Yes. Usenet and email is as close as we presently have to direct mind-to-mind
communication. On Usenet, you *are* your thoughts and communication skills.
The looks then become an added bonus once you've decided this person is smart
and groovy, and then your pheromones can run free.
Hey, worked for me. ;-) (blows kiss to Barbarella)
--
http://www.suburbia.net/~fun/scn -- email me if it doesn't work for you
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~gerard/ (European mirror)
mailto: f...@suburbia.net f...@tertius.net.au
ech...@aol.com
many goths, myself included, ware black suits and ties...you are right, it
is what is undernieth <sp> ignore the vain and aperance minded, they are
mearly preppy's in black
Penny Dreadful
> f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) writes:
> >On 10 Jan 1997 21:02:14 -0800, slchen <slc...@alcor.usc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Any phrase whatsoever that will start a conversation is a pickup line.
>
> what if it doesn't start a conversation?
>
Then it's a *failed* pick-up line. ;-)
love love love--
Penny Dreadful
--
"And if I seem a little strange, | Goth Code v.2.5: GoAu6 TseGlNr
that's because I am." | cBK(BR)w8 PRPeSt M3 ZGoClbIpp
--Morrissey | C6m a24= b55D H173 g7! w6! r5BS
s5 k6 Rm SrNn N1295 LusMA
David Gerard
On 13 Jan 1997 14:26:50 -0800, slchen <slc...@phakt.usc.edu> wrote:
:f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) writes:
:>On 10 Jan 1997 21:02:14 -0800, slchen <slc...@alcor.usc.edu> wrote:
:>Any phrase whatsoever that will start a conversation is a pickup line.
:what if it doesn't start a conversation?
Then it's a failed pickup line. ;-)
The laws of evolutionary biology apply to pickup lines (their development,
the competition with people gettin' wise to 'em, coming up with better ones)
just like everything else in the field of human interaction. For human
interaction *is* human competition.
Penny Dreadful
In article <19970113012...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
lady...@aol.com (Lady Trill) wrote:
> >> Personally, I'd never date a nongoth guy unless he was extremely
> >> special.
>
> My nongoth guy is *very very* special....after all, he's moving to Dallas
> from San Diego to be with me. *boing!*
>
> Trill
>
I have to agree that non-goth guys can be superduper! My stand-up comic
non-goth guy moved from Colorado, where he was making a living at what he
loves--making people laugh and speaking truth--and was king of the hill,
to Boston, where he is basically having to start all over again and has
taken his first day job in five years. Just to be with me. If that isn't
special, I don't know what is.
I also wanted to comment on Ethereal's earlier mention of never dating
nongoth guys because goths were "safe" and nongoths were "unsafe and
threatening." I used to feel threatened by nongoth or nonpunk guys when I
was in high school, because so so so many "normals" had terrorized me
(this includes schoolmates, strangers in public, and certain--I use the
term loosely--"family" members). I think that because the goth and punk
guys were "different," like I was, and prolly got as much shit as I did
from normals, they were more likely to be "safe" for me. It took me a long
time to ever trust a "normal" appearing guy--I had to first realize that
people could only hurt me if I let them. My two major relationships (each
over two years) were with nongoths (one female, one male). My current
relationship, which seems to be hurtling headlong into the realm of
legendary love affairs and lifetime commitments, is with a nongoth. Long
story short, once you feel more at home in *the world*, you'll be more
open to people who are different from you, and it won't seem as scary.
Boy, *that* was a long-and-winding comment...hope *someone* gets what I mean...
Penny Dreadful
In article <slrn5dlm8...@dora.tertius.net.au>,
f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) wrote:
> On 13 Jan 1997 14:26:50 -0800, slchen <slc...@phakt.usc.edu> wrote:
> :f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) writes:
>
> :>On 10 Jan 1997 21:02:14 -0800, slchen <slc...@alcor.usc.edu> wrote:
> :>Any phrase whatsoever that will start a conversation is a pickup line.
> :what if it doesn't start a conversation?
>
> Then it's a failed pickup line. ;-)
>
MIND MELD ALERT!!! (see my post on this same subject!)
love love love--
Penny Dreadful
who hates when that happens.
Persephone
> They day before Halloween a couple of preppy girls asked me if they
could >borrow various articles of my clothing so they could dress like
"modern witches"!
I am doing my best to not re-rant!!!!!!! Ahhh... it's going to happen!
Nope, nope, I will not go into my rant regarding education about
Neo-Paganism, and Witchcraft rant. I promised I wouldn't....
but...but....but.......
Persephone.
Jack
slchen <slc...@phakt.usc.edu> wrote in article
<5becra$f...@phakt.usc.edu>...
> f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) writes:
> >On 10 Jan 1997 21:02:14 -0800, slchen <slc...@alcor.usc.edu> wrote:
>
> >Any phrase whatsoever that will start a conversation is a pickup line.
>
> what if it doesn't start a conversation?
>
In that case, I'd say that it was a BAD pick-up line. :)
--
-Jack-
"Death, it's not just for breakfast anymore."
slchen
Count Von Sexbat <sex...@batt.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <5becjp$f...@phakt.usc.edu> slc...@phakt.usc.edu "slchen" writes:
>>There's always the Are you a goth? test on Take A Bite...
>>I think that's only available ftp now that Sexbat's site
>>doesn't seem to have it anymore.
> Aircrash Monthly ----> http://www.demon.co.uk/bat/aircrash
OK, I meant that URL above doesn't seem to have it...
where is it then?
lXs
WEARing a mint green sweater thatmatches her hair
who thinks Sexbat must have a secret search engine running
to find all those posts with his name in it
P.S. Will you post it please?
bwe...@alfred.med.monash.edu.au
In article <slrn5dllo...@dora.tertius.net.au> f...@tertius.net.au.remove_this_spamtrap_to_email (David Gerard) writes:
>Yes. Usenet and email is as close as we presently have to direct mind-to-mind
>communication. On Usenet, you *are* your thoughts and communication skills.
>The looks then become an added bonus once you've decided this person is smart
>and groovy, and then your pheromones can run free.
>Hey, worked for me. ;-) (blows kiss to Barbarella)
*blows kiss back*
Oh yeah - I agree whole-heartedly with what you said, too. :)
love,
Barbarella.
ech...@aol.com
katydid,
i am new here, but i like your style, your open mind and all that <yes i
know i am writing this in open group, i do not want it to be said that i
am hitting on you> i too am married, and although my wife can get away
with being gothic all the time, i cannot, a business suit, <double
breasted of coarse> and tie are a must, and i had to cut most of my hair
off, BUT! when i am driving from apointment to apointment, you can bet it
is Sisters, or Bauhaus, or something equally as "nice" playing on my tape
player....there is however one small thing thatr makes it easy to be a
"profgoth" i work for th local cemetery, so <grins> i get to play with
caskets <even if i cannot spell the word>
however, my point in writing this is to say "thank you" for reminding me
that even though i do not "look" goth, i still have it in me, and thats
all the counts....
Count Von Sexbat
>>>There's always the Are you a goth? test on Take A Bite...
>P.S. Will you post it please?
* The Goth Test *
Version 1.1b
Scoring - Count 1 for each item that you have done, or each
question that you can answer correctly. If you don't know the
'correct' answer then you've got it wrong.
And now, the test:
Section 1 - What *do* you look like?
1. Do you have black, purple, or white hair?
2. Do you dye your hair?
3. Do you dye your hair every 4 weeks?
4. Every week?
5. Do you have or have you ever had hair extensions
6. Is there such a thing as 'too much' hairspray?
7. Do you own more eyeliner pencils than ordinary pencils?
8. Do you wear your makeup to bed? (bonus point if you don't go to bed)
9. Could you underpin a building with your foundation?
10. Does it take you more than an hour to get ready to go out?
11. Can you put eyeliner on without using a mirror?
12. Has anyone asked you if you 'sharpen your feet'?
13. Do you have more buckles than toes?
14. Have you worn fishnet on your arms?
15. Do you set off the metal detector at airports?
Section 2 - Music, Musicians, Muses
16. Do you know every Sisters of Mercy Song?
17. Can you do the actions?
18. Have you ever seen - Bauhaus?
19. The Virgin Prunes?
20. Alien Sex Fiend?
21. The Sisters of Mercy?
22. The Fields of the Nephilim (or the Nephilim)
23. Can you name the original line-up of Christain Death?
24. Have you ever ligged a band on the goth list?
25. Have you ever had a pass to one of these bands?
26. Did you use it?
27. Have you been to an aftershow party with a famous goth band?
28. Were the members of the band scared of you?
29. Was the last song you heard gothic?
30. Have you been in a goth band?
Section 3- Clubs
31. Have you been to a goth club?
32. Did you stay until the end?
33. Can you slamdance?
34. Can you chicken dance?
35. Can you do the backwards & forwards bending over like Peter Murphy Dance?
36. Do you drink snakebite?
37. Did you go to the Batcave (or similar club) prior to '84?
38. Are you on the guest list?
39. Are you on first name terms with the DJ
40. Are you the DJ?
Section 4 - The Undead
41. Have you got naturally pointy teeth?
42. Have you worn plastic vampire teeth other than at Halloween.
43. Did you pick someone up as a result?
44. Have you had sex with the undead?
45. Have you been to the Wiredog Club (or equivalent)
46. Are you a vampire?
47. How do you do your makeup if you haven't got a reflection?
48. Have you ever drunk blood?
49. Have you ever drunk human blood?
50. From a glass?
Section 5 - On the road
51. Have you ever been in a following?
52. Did you ever follow Southern Death Cult, Play Dead, X-Mal, The Sisters?
53. Have you contributed to a fanzine?
54. Have you edited a fanzine?
55. Have you sold a fanzine?
Section 6 - At the movies
56. Have you seen The Hunger?
57. Have you seen Return of the Living Dead?
58. Have you seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
59. Have you seen the Addams Family (TV Show)?
60. Do you think it's better than the Munsters?
Section 7 - Hardercore than thou?
61. Do you own...A Tarot Deck?
62. ... Lots of weird silver jewelery?
63. ... Mainly black clothes?
64. ... More boots than shoes?
65. ... An original copy of Walk Away (with the flexi)?
66. ... An inflatable bannana?
67. Have you ever been called a goth?
68. Did you deny it?
69. Do you ever refer to other people as mini-goths or quantum-goths?
70. Do you get upset when it rains, but still sing 'I love the rain?'
71. Have you been on alt.gothic since it started?
72. Have you actually read Shelley?
73. Do you have a fetish?
74. Have you flirted with magick or alternative religions?
75. Do you object fundamentaly to this test even though you scored over 80
points on it?
Section 8 - What's the difference between a Casual and a Redneck?
76. Do the people you meet on the streets often ask you if you're on
your way to a funeral?
77. Do you encounter carloads of people who make sarcastic comments
about the fact that Halloween is X months away?
78. Do your teachers, peers, etc., often recommend that you see a counselor?
79. Do you have a pet snake, spider, or a reasonable facsimile thereof?
80. Have you painted your bedroom black?
81. Are your parents/friends afraid that you've committed suicide if you stay
in your room for more than an hour at a time?
82. Do you habitually wear dark sunglasses, at all hours of the day?
83. Do you go by a Gothic/Romantic name on the net? (i.e. made up)
84. Do you go by a Gothic/Romantic name in real life? (i.e. made up)
85. Is there any difference between a Casual and a Redneck?
86. Have you ever been propositioned by a drunk Casual/Redneck?
87. Did you hospitalise them?
88. Did you hospitalise them in a really messy way?
89. Have you ever gone up to a bunch of these people and said 'What the F**k
do you think you're looking at?'
90. Do you have the scars to prove it?
Section 9 - Brown Questions (Art & Literature)
91. Have you read any Poe?
92. ................. Dante?
93. ................. Shelley?
94. Who was 'Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know?'
95. Can you tell the difference between Norman and Gothic Churches?
96. Have you read any Lovecraft?
97. ................. Gothic Novels?
98. ................. de Sade?
99. Do you like pre-rapheltie or romantic art?
100. Have you heard Verdi's Requiem?
Section 10 - Courtesy of the University of London Union Old Goth Barstaff soc.
101. Can you name all the bands on the Merciful Release label?
102. Do you know what the Birthday Party were called before they were called
The Birthday Party?
103. Who play 'House Music for Goths?'
104. Do you own a pair of crimpers?
105. Do you tie an obscene number of scarves to your waist?
106. Do you know what this signifies?
107. Have you ever been part of a pyramid?
108. Do you know the name of Eldritch's cat?
109. Does God drive a white Merc?
110. Who's the fairest of them all?
Section 11 - Drugs
111. Do you or have you ever smoked?
112. ..............................Clove, Marlborough, or Death?
113. Have you ever had speed before breakfast?
114. ....................... instead of breakfast?
115. Is caffeine more important than sunlight?
[Note, please do not mail or post your answers as this carries a statutory
-85 point penalty. Suggestions for further questions and constructive
comments should be mailed to goth...@batt.demon.co.uk. Complaints that
some of the questions are unfair should be written on a piece of paper
headed "Top 10 reasons why a sense of humour is important" and burried in
quicklime for future generations to ponder over.]
/\../\
Sexbat
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