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Daednu

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the official C6 T-shirt art. I
find the design itself really interesting. It's very cool looking. I
appreciate it artistically and think it's artistically very pleasing.
Why don't I like it as a shirt then? Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing
the art or the artist. I simply don't like the design as a shirt.
There are two reasons the design doesn't work for me as a shirt. First
off I'm not too hot with walking around with a girl I don't know,
plastered on my chest. The next, is that I'm not a steampunk. Though I
appreciate the style, I don't follow it. So having "steampunk" written
across the front of a shirt isn't very helpful to me.
It's too bad really, since I enjoy buying and wearing my Convergence
shirts. I just don't see myself getting the C6 shirt though, due to the
above reasons.
Feel free to discuss, agree or completely disagree. :)


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jetzebel

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Daednu wrote:

> I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the official C6 T-shirt art.

> the art or the artist. I simply don't like the design as a shirt.

I like the art, but feel the samw way, but I'm waiting to actually *see*
the shirts. I dont know if I could wear something so heavily
screened/whited on the front. It really is hard w/ boobs! I really hate
shirts that are so screened on the front, bc it makes it like you are
wearing a sheet of plastic and it doesnt drape nicely at all. My c5 shirt
is bad in that respect too. :(

m.


Merciful

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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Thus spake Daednu <dae...@earthlink.net>:

>It's too bad really, since I enjoy buying and wearing my Convergence
>shirts. I just don't see myself getting the C6 shirt though, due to the
>above reasons.
>Feel free to discuss, agree or completely disagree. :)

There must be an image of the design online, but I can't find
it...help?

Sarah

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Merciful

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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Thus said me:

>There must be an image of the design online, but I can't find
>it...help?

Someone has kindly informed me that it's the image on the C6 website:
http://www.thej-files.com/converge/
The image had been loading slowly, so I skipped that page and went for
the text-only version, but couldn't find any mention of T-shirts after
several minutes of wandering.

My opinion: a pretty design. I thought the general C6 theme was
steampunky, and therefore the shirts are meant to reflect the story,
rather than imply that the wearers follow a certain gothic style:
i.e., "Picture a world in which turn of the century mysticism and
occultism have fused with odd technology. A world where crystal balls
lie side by side with huge steam-driven pneumatic machines and gears
drip oil onto the attendees of seances aboard fantastic vessels.

It's a world of steampunk and magic, metal and silk, chains and
planchettes ..."

Granted, the "Steampunk" title could be a bit less dominant in the
design.

jetzebel

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Merciful wrote:

> Thus said me:
>
> >There must be an image of the design online, but I can't find
> >it...help?
>
> Someone has kindly informed me that it's the image on the C6 website:
> http://www.thej-files.com/converge/
> The image had been loading slowly, so I skipped that page and went for
> the text-only version, but couldn't find any mention of T-shirts after
> several minutes of wandering.

there isn't any mention of it i dont think. :) i saw the splash page and
thought "oh maybe it's different for the tees" because it said "poster
art" at the bottom of the page. then i wondered for a few minutes,
blindly.. am i the only person who has trouble seeing the color's of links
on the text only page? they are way to dark ( i do have a monitor capable
of thousands of colors).,.. but all the links just dissapear into the
page, so i have to highlight to see the text. anyway, i found the original
post and it said the art for tees and logo was posted on the
homepage/frontpage, so that's it.!

> i.e., "Picture a world in which turn of the century mysticism and
> occultism have fused with odd technology. A world where crystal balls
> lie side by side with huge steam-driven pneumatic machines and gears
> drip oil onto the attendees of seances aboard fantastic vessels.
>
> It's a world of steampunk and magic, metal and silk, chains and
> planchettes ..."

when i first read Daednu's post (the first few sentances), i was worried
it was gonna say something like "it's too occult for my liking".. etc, so
i went to go look.. i'm happy it's not very occult, bc while thats cool
for posters and other stuff, it's not something people want to wear around
advertising, when they really aren't into it.

m.


Christina L Sawyer

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C6 Art by Merc...@pilot.msu.edu
> Granted, the "Steampunk" title could be a bit less dominant in the
> design.

I've heard almost every combination of punk and some other word, but I'm
afraid I'm a bit lost on this one. What's a "steampunk"?

I'm not going to C6 (bleh) but I think the design is nice. It looks more
like a flyer or a program design than a t-shirt, but they used
Confusebox font and that's a neat font. I think it would be a better
design for maybe the back of a t-shirt. :D

Christy
School of Art, Carnegie Mellon University
http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~cls

Ronda

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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In article <EsXOv2m00...@andrew.cmu.edu>,

Christina L Sawyer <cl...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> I'm not going to C6 (bleh) but I think the design is nice. It looks
more
> like a flyer or a program design than a t-shirt, but they used
> Confusebox font and that's a neat font. I think it would be a better
> design for maybe the back of a t-shirt. :D

So happy to see this thread and find some similar opinions. Nothing
wrong with the art work I just didn't think it translated well as a
t-shirt. A little to busy and didn't like the idea of wearing spooky
woman on my chest either. : 0 )
It just seemed better suited as a t-shirt. Of course I had some
bias for Julia Grimm's design that you can see on her web page.
http://www.juliagrimm.com/art/misc/
I like her pen and ink style.

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 03:52:36 -0500, jetzebel <ma...@columbia.edu>
wrote:

The C5 shirt was rather too goth for it's own good. A wolf holding a
skull? They should have just had a goth girl with a blank gaze
getting "embraced" for that shirt. :F

The graphic is nice, but it's supposed to be Oz. Being the fan of
Dorothy Gale that I am, if you're going to do Emerald City, it should
be a brilliant green.

I ordered a long sleeve tee.. it's not bad.. it's not great.. it came
with the package. ;)

With love from the planet Krypton,

Brian

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Tyg3r

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Daednu <dae...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> appreciate the style, I don't follow it. So having "steampunk" written
> across the front of a shirt isn't very helpful to me.

yeah, i thought the same thing when i saw the shirt. like "steampunk?
we're not punks, we're goths!"

but i've never purchased a convergence tshirt anyway because i don't wear
tshirts.

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StrangeGirl

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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[p+m]
Christina L Sawyer <cl...@andrew.cmu.edu> shouted over the general
babble in a vain attempt to be heard:

>
>I've heard almost every combination of punk and some other word, but I'm
>afraid I'm a bit lost on this one. What's a "steampunk"?

It's a genre of literature/films/art/etc...Alternate 'victorianish'
futuristic reality. Sort-of 'old/new' at the same time. Bleh. THAT was
obscure, so I'd better give examples:

Jules Verne's and H.G. Wells' stuff is 'steampunk' by definition,
although it predates the use of the term by 100 or so years.
Early science fiction and horror films (_from the earth to the moon_)
are also steampunk.

Modern takes on early science fiction and horror themes often get set
in a 'future' as the people of past centuries would have imagined it,
an old/new world. Huge, decaying gears, steam power, vast mechanical
constructs, often with some magic mixed in, contrasting with refined
society and social intrigue. That is steampunk.

Films: _Dark City_ had very steampunk elements. _City of Lost
Children_ had very steampunk elements.

Comics: _the league of Extraordinary Gentlemen_ is steampunk, as is a
vertigo miniseries title that I can't recall (had Oscar Wilde and
George Sand and others in it, was a few years ago) the title of.
_Starman_ has some really steampunk elements.

Modern books: _Darwinia_, _Newton's Cannon_, _A Calculus of Angels_
are all examples of steampunk.

Hope this helped!

StrangeGirl
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ratty

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Ronda wrote:

> In article <EsXOv2m00...@andrew.cmu.edu>,
> Christina L Sawyer <cl...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to C6 (bleh) but I think the design is nice. It looks
> more
> > like a flyer or a program design than a t-shirt, but they used
> > Confusebox font and that's a neat font. I think it would be a better
> > design for maybe the back of a t-shirt. :D
>
> So happy to see this thread and find some similar opinions. Nothing
> wrong with the art work I just didn't think it translated well as a
> t-shirt. A little to busy and didn't like the idea of wearing spooky
> woman on my chest either. : 0 )

'we're so pretty, oh so pretty....vacant'

she scares me. but then, I didnt get off my ass and enter the logo
contest, so who am i to say?

-ratty
;>


jetzebel

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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i didn't enter either, but i still think since we are going to be the ones
wearing - and purchasing - the tees, you'd think they would have tried to
pick something that would be most feasible as a shirt and that people
would like. its not the actualy design that bothers me, but the fact its
more suited (as christy said) be be poster art and not a tshirt..

m.

Jennifer Morgan Bane

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Jan 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/25/00
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Daednu wrote:
>
> I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the official C6 T-shirt art. I
> find the design itself really interesting. ::snip:: But I'm not too hot with walking > around with a girl I don't know, plastered on my chest.

I agree. I think the design is good... very artistic, would make a
great poster. But I just don't like the big *face* there.

There's just something wierd about walking around with a nearly
life-size face only a few inches below another face. It makes one look
as if one had two heads.

Jennifer Morgan Bane

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Jan 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/28/00
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In article <388D5388...@earthlink.net>,

Daednu <dae...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the official C6 T-shirt
art. I
> find the design itself really interesting. It's very cool looking. I
> appreciate it artistically and think it's artistically very pleasing.
> Why don't I like it as a shirt then? Don't get me wrong, I'm not
bashing
> the art or the artist. I simply don't like the design as a shirt.

Well....

(Jilli adjusts her "Official C6 Committee Member" badge)

We're going to also be offering (we hope) coffee mugs, w/ the same
design.

And for those people who have already purchased ticket packages that
include t-shirts, we will swap shirts for mugs, if you so wish.

No, I don't know *all* the details yet, 'cos we're still hammering them
out. But there will be an alternative for people (like me!) who don't
want a t-shirt. =)

-Jilli

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