R_ST IN P_AC_
------------ WE'LL MISS MERV ...
... a true showman and very creative!
---------------
"Merv Griffin Dies at Age 82"
By BOB THOMAS
The Associated Press
Sunday, August 12, 2007; 12:03 PM
LOS ANGELES -- Merv Griffin, the entertainer turned impresario who
parlayed his "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" game shows into a
multimillion-dollar empire, has died. He was 82.
Griffin died of prostate cancer, according to a statement from his the
family that was released by Marcia Newberger, spokeswoman for The
Griffin Group/Merv Griffin Entertainment.
>From his beginning as a $100-a-week San Francisco radio singer,
Griffin moved on as vocalist for Freddy Martin's band, sometime film
actor in films and TV game and talk show host. His "The Merv Griffin
Show" lasted more than 20 years, and Griffin's said his capacity to
listen contributed to his success.
"If the host is sitting there thinking about his next joke, he isn't
listening," Griffin reasoned in a recent interview.
But his biggest break financially came from inventing and producing
"Jeopardy" in the 1960s and "Wheel of Fortune" in the 1970s. After
they had become the hottest game shows in television, Griffin sold the
rights to Coca-Cola for $250 million in 1986, retaining a share of the
profits.
After they became the hottest game shows in television, Griffin sold
the rights to them to the Columbia Pictures Television Unit for $250
million, retaining a share of the profits. He started spreading the
sale money around in treasury bonds, stocks and other investments.
He made Forbes' list of richest Americans several times and started
putting money in treasury bonds, stocks and other investments. But he
went into real estate and other ventures because "I was never so bored
in my life."
"I said, `I'm not going to sit around and clip coupons for the rest of
my life,' " he recalled in 1989. "That's when Barron Hilton said,
`Merv, do you want to buy the Beverly Hilton?' I couldn't believe it."
Griffin bought the slightly passe hotel for $100.2 million and
completely refurbished it for $25 million. Then he made a move for
control of Resorts International, which operated hotels and casinos
from Atlantic City to the Caribbean.
That touched off a feud with real estate tycoon Donald Trump. Griffin
eventually acquired Resorts for $240 million, netting a reported paper
profit of $100 million.
"I love the gamesmanship," he told Life magazine in 1988. "This may
sound strange, but it parallels the game shows I've been involved in."
It was in 1948 that Martin hired Griffin to join his band at Los
Angeles' Coconut Grove at $150 a week. With Griffin doing the singing,
the band had a smash hit with "I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Cocoanuts,"
a 1949 novelty song sung in a cockney accent.
The band was playing in Las Vegas when Doris Day and her producer
husband, Marty Melcher, were in the audience. They recommended him to
Warner Bros., which offered a contract. After a bit in "By the Light
of the Silvery Moon," starring Day and Gordon MacRae, he had a bigger
role with Kathryn Grayson in "So This Is Love." A few more trivial
roles followed, then he asked out of his contract.
In 1954, Griffin went to New York where he appeared in a summer
replacement musical show on CBS-TV, a revival of "Finian's Rainbow,"
and a music show on CBS radio. He followed with a few game show
hosting jobs on TV, notably "Play Your Hunch," which premiered in 1958
and ran through the early 1960s. His glibness led to stints as
substitute for Jack Paar on "Tonight."
When Paar retired in 1962, Griffin was considered a prime candidate to
replace him. Johnny Carson was chosen instead. NBC gave Griffin a
daytime version of "Tonight," but he was canceled for being "too
sophisticated" for the housewife audience.
In 1965, the Westinghouse Broadcasting introduced "The Merv Griffin
Show" in syndicated TV. At last Griffin had found the forum for his
talents. He never underestimated the intelligence of his audience,
offering such figures as philosopher Bertrand Russell, Pablo Casals
and Will and Ariel Durant as well as movie stars and entertainers.
With Carson ruling the late-night roost on NBC in the late 1960s, the
two other networks challenged him with competing shows, Griffin on
CBS, Joey Bishop (later Dick Cavett) on ABC. Nothing stopped Carson,
and Griffin returned to Westinghouse.
Meanwhile, Griffin sought new enterprises for his production company.
A lifelong crossword puzzle fan, he devised a game show "Word for
Word," in 1963. It faded after one season, then his wife, Julann,
suggested another show.
"Julann's idea was a twist on the usual question-answer format of the
quiz shows of the Fifties," he wrote in his autobiography "Merv." "Her
idea was to give the contestants the answer, and they had to come up
with the appropriate question."
"Jeopardy," begun in 1964, became a huge moneymaker for Griffin, as
did a more conventional game show, "Wheel of Fortune," starting in
1975.
Mervyn Edward Griffin Jr. was born in San Mateo, south of San
Francisco on July 6, 1925, the son of a stockbroker. His aunt, Claudia
Robinson, taught him to play piano at age 4, and soon the boy was
staging shows on the back porch of the family home.
"Every Saturday I had a show, recruiting all the kids in the block as
either stagehands, actors and audience, or sometimes all three," he
wrote in his 1980 autobiography. "I was the producer, always the
producer."
After studying at San Mateo Junior College and the University of San
Francisco, Griffin quit school to apply for a job as pianist at radio
station KFRC in San Francisco. The station needed a vocalist instead.
He auditioned and was hired.
Griffin was billed as "the young romantic voice of radio." He
attracted the interest of RKO studio boss William Dozier, who was
visiting San Francisco with his wife, Joan Fontaine.
"As soon as I walked in their hotel room, I could see their faces
fall," the singer recalled. He weighed 235 pounds. Shortly afterward,
singer Joan Edwards told him: "Your voice is terrific, but the blubber
has got to go." Griffin slimmed down, and he would spend the rest of
his life adding and taking off weight.
Griffin and Julann Elizabeth Wright were married in 1958, and a son,
Anthony, was born the following year. The couple divorced in 1973
because of "irreconcilable differences."
"It was a pivotal time in my career, one of uncertainty and constant
doubt," he wrote in the autobiography. "So much attention was being
focused on me that my marriage felt the strain." He never remarried.
© 2007 The Associated Press
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081200453.html
Re-airing a interview he did a few months ago about one of his horses,
Steviewonderboy, on TVG.
Remember when Merv had Eva Gabor as his beard? That was a weird "pair."
==============
the major irreconcilable difference
was he liked to suck dick
she didn't ;-(
rest in peace funny man
Yep. Merv the perv is D-E-A-D, dead. Hey, remember when he had his
beard Ava Gabor? Man, oh, man, were they ever an odd couple! lol
>uly...@mscomm.com wrote:
>
>>He lived a long life and made many people happy.
>
>Yep, especially the many young pretty boys in Hollywood who owe their
>careers to him..................
I don't know how some of these young guys can stand to have sex with
those gross older dudes. I'm young and gorgeous and I don't let
anyone over 27 even get close to me. At the bathhouses sometimes old
decrepid men offer me money to let them suck my dick and I spit on
them. One time this disgusting old guy who looked like he was 90
tried go down on me in the sauna and I smacked him so hard he fell
down on his ass. Some of the young guys take pity on the older dudes
and let them give them a pity suck but I would die if an older guy
touched me dick.
I would die if an older guy
> touched me dick.
<<<
I dunno. Robert Redford could have his way with me. ;-)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0341311/board/thread/45954005
Ted Cassablanca says Ryan Seacrest sexually serviced Merv Griffin
It looks like Ted Cassablanca and Ryan Seacrest are not friends at all
at E Teleivsion. Teri Hatcher made a joke on David Letterman that
Seacrest is in fact a homosexual. And it seems even fellow E employee
Ted Cassablanca is outing Seacrest.Seems that Ryan had peformed
homosexual sexual services for the homosexual TV mogul Merv Griffin in
the past.
Eonline
June 16th 2006
Ted Cassablanca
Blind Vice
One Diva-Damning Blind Vice
Hell hath no fury like a homo threatened, that's fer sure.
A few weeks ago I told you all about Jiggly Wiggle-Poof, this queen
America is so busy watching be outwardly hetero but inwardly so "show
tunes and smart cocktails" it's pathetic. See, Jiggly got his rise to
fame via sexual and other transactions with a well-heeled, fellow-
closeted homo, a fact Mr. Wiggle-Poof goes to great lengths to hide.
However, over at the Hollywood offering on which Mr. Wiggle-P.
performs, there lies another pooftah who's far less caring about his
sexuality. Name's Press Prune. In fact, Press could give a Homo Depot
clerk's ass if anybody discusses his bedroom habits, just for the
record.
This bothers Jiggly enormously. See, Mr. Wiggle-Poof, an ultimately
rather small-minded and unimaginative nerd, is so busy imagining the
zillions of slights he thinks Mr. Prune is busy concocting against him
he's not bothered to notice Press has done activities far worse than
J. could dare imagine--as in nothing. Press doesn't give a whit for
Poof, one way or the other.
Who cares?
Jiggly, that's who. So much so that Jiggly, frantic and rageful, cried
to the guns that control his and Press' shared booby-tubey offering,
just to see to it that P2 is punished.
Didn't work. Wonder why?
On the Defamer Website this is what people had to say:
You say: In a shocking and unexpected turn of events, a plurality of
readers believed this week's blind item to be self-referential,
identifying Jiggly Wiggle-Poof as Ryan Seacrest and Press Prune as--
here it comes!--Ted Casablanca himself, as both are employees of the
"booby-tubey" E! network. Don't be alarmed by the strange sensation of
your rapidly liquefying brain leaking from your ear--the entire
universe will be sucked into a gossip-generated black hole before you
have a chance to die from the cerebral melting.
You also say: Ryan Seacrest and Simon Cowell. Oh, please. Do you think
for one second that the Gay Mafia would allow one of its members to
wear anything as tragically unfashionable as Cowell's signature flat-
top/butt-cut hybrid on such a high-rated program?
seem to recall reading that Ryan Seacrest got his start "working" with
Merv Griffin....do the math
by bingostig on 06/16/06 03:31 PM
WOW! That read like a lovers spat with "marklar" inserted for names!
by Nerd-Alert on 06/16/06 03:48 PM
If it is Ted, that would explain why this partick blind item is
without question the most inscrutable I have ever had the pleasure of
totally not understanding what the hell was supposed to be happening.
by Bufflekins on 06/16/06 04:45 PM
My mind has totally been blown. If Ted is Press Prune, then this is
the biggest self-referential surprise since Kaiser Soze!
by robyns on 06/16/06 04:57 PM
I thought Sean Hayes never publicly confirmed that he's a poofter.
by Miss Anne Thrope on 06/16/06 05:11 PM
The DaCasablanca Code is solved. It is as they say, Ryan and Ted.
Earlier Ted said in his column that people in "his business" would
start to be talked about. Ted is so openly gay that he doesn't care
(Prune Press, ha ha) and Hellllo, Ryan is such a smart cocktailer.
by artster on 06/16/06 07:59 PM
Years ago I heard that he was into golden showers.
MLW
Ooh... did not know that. To clarify for the non-acquainted: golden
showers = urinating on people
I always _wondered_ how Ryan Seacrest got his frosted tips so blond. :-
o
He would fit right in with ScAtMaN ScottyFLL,
Ft. Lauderdales turd smoking butt pirate.
We can't help but mention the fact that ShittyFLL is a chronic
alcoholic as evidenced by his posts in alt.recovery.aa. He
has no discipline or self control and that fact is laughable to
say the least! . One has to wonder if his babbling tirades
regarding me are fueled by 100 proof. :-)
We've established, beyond a reasonable doubt, the fact that scotty
WILL lie...about what he posts and about his deviant habits and
lifestyle. And he/it will lie about other purveyors of truth like
myself. Also we've established the fact that he is a pisshead, which
could explain his incoherent babbling and his willingness to believe
posts with forged headers are authentic.
He's a proven liar, faggot, forger AND a pussy netKKKop. You can't
get
much lower than that.
Oh, did I mention he is a flaming homo that ingests sperm and
has many disgusting homo/freak fetishes?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.faggots/msg/7a684d3c7919c791?
<Tosses ScottyFLL a five spot>
Have another drink Shitty, this one's on me....
>From the gloryhole that ShittyFLL mans regularly:
~~~"Squirt! Squirt!"~~~~ ROTF!!!!!!
zmssc...@yahoo.com
scott...@yahoo.com
Scot...@gmail.com
1sc...@lycos.com
Scot...@mail2scott.com
"I think we'll be seeing less of bobandcarole around these here
parts...at least while I'm around"--faggot ScottyFLL
"I am so superior to you that you can't even see it"~ScottyFLL whines
after
another usenet ass-kicking.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.homosexuality/msg/4189ad9e2ab275d3?
> "I'll take Ryan Seacrest for $1000, Alex"
> <answer...@intheformofaquest.ion> wrote:
>
> >uly...@mscomm.com wrote:
> >
> >>He lived a long life and made many people happy.
> >
> >Yep, especially the many young pretty boys in Hollywood who owe their
> >careers to him..................
>
> I don't know how some of these young guys can stand to have sex with
> those gross older dudes. I'm young and gorgeous and I don't let
> anyone over 27 even get close to me. At the bathhouses sometimes old
> decrepid men offer me money to let them suck my dick and I spit on
> them.
How much do you charge for that?
> One time this disgusting old guy who looked like he was 90
> tried go down on me in the sauna and I smacked him so hard he fell
> down on his ass.
How much do you charge for that?
> Some of the young guys take pity on the older dudes
> and let them give them a pity suck but I would die if an older guy
> touched me dick.
Well at least we all know how to get rid of you now.
--
"Anybody can direct. There are only 11 good writers."
-- Mel Brooks
> Ooh... did not know that. To clarify for the non-acquainted: golden
> showers = urinating on people
Thanks, Capt'n Obvious.
I'm -really- glad Taylor clarified that, because I don't think most
people really know what a Golden Shower is.
>I'm young and gorgeous
No, you're a fat, sloppy troll.
You are very naive if you think the rest of the world is as naive as you
and Taylor.
Anyone with any sexual knowledge *at all* will have come across that term
somewhere in their lifetime. Those who hide in the closest to wank off and
think they are going to hell for doing so, will not.
=============
andy^ is 54 and still can't spell
decrepit ......he'll learn ;-)
=================
just about anybody with a pulse
and a wee wee can
No, serious. Some bible-thumping housewife in Dayton Ohio might think
less of Merv Griffin now that I have shown her the light. "Don't
worry, ma'am, it's MY duty."
...how does it feel to stand for nothing?
oh for god's sake.
this is a peurile fantasy written by one of agc's regulars.
what is wrong with you trash?
you can't face reality and you are ashamed of your own ideas, hence
the tired and desperate anonymizing of your post.
i wish you loved yourself so you could maybe love others and finally,
maybe be loved in return.
so sad!
what did your mother do to you in that closet?
Spot the ironies.
Merv was a rare quality in Hollywood: a man with class, style, and a
charitable heart, to boot!
Save your fake squeels of outrage for when your doctor fits you with a
new diaphragm, Queerjames...
--
Best
Greg
> >From: ulys...@mscomm.com
> >He lived a long life and made many people >happy. RIP, Merv!
>
> Merv was a rare quality in Hollywood: a man with class, style, and a
> charitable heart, to boot!
Oh, ThANK YOU for that *most* original comment, Loafie...
--
Best
Greg
I could ask the same of you compared to (Mr.) Merv Griffin
Productions. We we're just mere ants to that grand old queen.
Yeah, but Erin Moran got his cherry first. Kind of ruins things for
him when he's co-mingled w/ fish.
>
>
>
> Pretty *young* Andy wrote:
> > "I'll take Ryan Seacrest for $1000, Alex"
> > <answermus...@intheformofaquest.ion> wrote:
>
> > >ulys...@mscomm.com wrote:
>
> > >>He lived a long life and made many people happy.
>
> > >Yep, especially the many young pretty boys in Hollywood who owe their
> > >careers to him..................
>
> > I don't know how some of these young guys can stand to have sex with
> > those gross older dudes. I'm young and gorgeous and I don't let
> > anyone over 27 even get close to me. At the bathhouses sometimes old
> > decrepid men offer me money to let them suck my dick and I spit on
> > them. One time this disgusting old guy who looked like he was 90
> > tried go down on me in the sauna and I smacked him so hard he fell
> > down on his ass. Some of the young guys take pity on the older dudes
> > and let them give them a pity suck but I would die if an older guy
> > touched me dick.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I didn't make the sarcastic nature of my post clear enough,
apparently.
oh my gosh can you quit it
who taught you to talk like such trash?
what are you trying to prove??
when you talk like that you disrespect yourself as well as your
mother.
if you didn't have a mother, i apologize.
seriously, can you shut up with this trash??
you want to drag everyone down to your level!
you stink, man!
>>
>>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0341311/board/thread/45954005
>>
>>Ted Cassablanca says Ryan Seacrest sexually serviced Merv Griffin
>
>I don't know how Ryan ever brought himself to do that. Must have been
>drugged out of his mind.
Isn't that typical for gay trysts? Just askin'...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...
It's all part of the Hollywood HOMO agenda. Seacrest is probably straight but
was talked into dicksuck by Griffin to get along. Frankly I think it's sick!
S*Babykins/Serene Joaquin
Well, what do you think Jeff Gannon was doing to your president on one of
his many, many stay over nights at the white house?
Who's Gannon? Homo? Are you saying our President is Homo? Get real. He has
kids and a fine looking wife. Besides, the public wouldn't elect a Homo as
President! Check your facts buttbreathe!
S*Babykins/Serene Joaquin
So we'd like to think, but there are a lot of stupid and immoral
people out there in the world. Some dopes voted for Barney Frank who
was formally reprimanded for his relationship with a male prostitute.
Of course, the Democrats want to project their morality and what their
people do on to straight people as if to legitimize their lapses in
judgement...
At least Barney Frank was open about it. That counts for something and as far
as prostitutes go, a 'ho is a 'ho is a 'ho. Male or female makes no diff and
there's lots of members of congress getting laid!
It's the SECRET HOMOs I'm worried about. They're sneaky fuckers out to turn our
country into a bunch of HOMOs! They're in the classrooms teaching the stuff and
promoting in scouts and who-knows-what-else. We need to round them up and
offload them on some island. Let them buttfuck each other to death.
S*Babykins/Serene Joaquin
I heard John Edwards on the tv over the weekend shamelessly pandering
to gays, and he mentioned that they should teach school kids about gay
couples.
Now what I'd like to know is who the hell he thinks is qualified to
teach MY kid about homosexuality? Who do you think is going to design
this curriculum?
At least Hillary said she was against gay marriage...
> It's the SECRET HOMOs I'm worried about. They're sneaky fuckers
> out to turn our country into a bunch of HOMOs!
How exactly do they do that? This is something I've never understood
from those who are so worried about these "stealth fags" who are out to
convert everyone. I mean, you could sit me down and show me episodes of
"Will & Grace" and preach the wonders of gayness until you're blue in
the face and I'm never gonna look at some dude's hairy ass and say, "Oh,
yeah. I gotta get me some of that."
> I heard John Edwards on the tv over the weekend shamelessly pandering to
> gays, and he mentioned that they should teach school kids about gay
> couples.
Hey:
Bros before mo's.
I think the concern is that they get to our children in elementary
school and set up an agenda that most parents aren't happy with. I
mean we are still debating the appropriateness of NORMAL sex education
and what age it should be taught, and gay organizations such as GLSEN
are working up an agenda to teach homosexuality in school.
In either case, it's MY opinion that these issues are MORALITY issues
that should be taught by an individual's parent, and not left to
activist organizations to introduce their propaganda packages to
schools and manipulate and leverage liberal school board members to
accept them on face value.
I'm not religious, but I question why there would be an issue with
saying 'god' in the pledge, and not an issue teaching gayety to
elementary school kids...
My goodness, do get over yourself.
Booker
I turned you away, didn't I?
I don't agree. I cannot stand the look of a man with plastic surgery.
Growing old the natural way is handsome to me.
Baby, what are you ranting about?
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:04 -0400, BTR1701 <btr...@ix.netcom.com>
> puked:
>
> >In article <f9qbg...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> > The Simpsons Spanglie <The_m...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's the SECRET HOMOs I'm worried about. They're sneaky fuckers
> >> out to turn our country into a bunch of HOMOs!
> >How exactly do they do that? This is something I've never
> >understood from those who are so worried about these
> >"stealth fags" who are out to convert everyone. I mean,
> >you could sit me down and show me episodes of "Will & Grace"
> >and preach the wonders of gayness until you're blue in
> >the face and I'm still never gonna look at some dude's
> >hairy ass and say, "Oh, yeah. I gotta get me some of that."
> I think the concern is that they get to our children in elementary
> school and set up an agenda that most parents aren't happy with.
Even so, that's still not going to "convert" anyone. A kid who is
heterosexual isn't gonna suddenly start lusting after guys because of
some classroom lesson.
:>In article <f9qbg...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Ok now *that's* funny. :)
His private email was pathetic. Asking for an internet lover. LMAO
Get and education. Get someone to show you how to type "jeff gannon" in
google, press enter, then read for yourself asswipe.
According to all the numbnuts, being homosexual is a choice which must mean
heterosexuality is also a choice. On what day did the numbnuts decide?
S*Babykins/Serene Joaquin
You should keep in mind that someday *you'll* be that decrepit old man.
Thank you ButterRump.
Razzle------------73 and still looking good.
That's Ms. ButterRump to you good lookimg! ;-)
no
and i don't have a pulse
>In article <8ne1c3lhprk1o1d9l...@4ax.com>,
> "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:04 -0400, BTR1701 <btr...@ix.netcom.com>
>> puked:
>>
>> >In article <f9qbg...@drn.newsguy.com>,
>> > The Simpsons Spanglie <The_m...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's the SECRET HOMOs I'm worried about. They're sneaky fuckers
>> >> out to turn our country into a bunch of HOMOs!
>
>> >How exactly do they do that? This is something I've never
>> >understood from those who are so worried about these
>> >"stealth fags" who are out to convert everyone. I mean,
>> >you could sit me down and show me episodes of "Will & Grace"
>> >and preach the wonders of gayness until you're blue in
>> >the face and I'm still never gonna look at some dude's
>> >hairy ass and say, "Oh, yeah. I gotta get me some of that."
>
>> I think the concern is that they get to our children in elementary
>> school and set up an agenda that most parents aren't happy with.
>
>Even so, that's still not going to "convert" anyone. A kid who is
>heterosexual isn't gonna suddenly start lusting after guys because of
>some classroom lesson.
Again, I'm not so concerned with that, I'm more concerned with someone
that isn't necessarily trained in human sexuality taking propaganda
from a militant gay organization and feeding chapter and verse to my
children.
While you may not be concerned with that, it does seem to be what a lot
of these folks are concerned about-- "We need to put a stop to this
before Johnny comes home wearin' a dress and holdin' hands with the
neighbor-boy!" The word "convert" figures prominently in their hysteria.
how would you know ?
I'm guessing that applies to a lot of religious organizations.
Without taking this much further, there are professional homosexual
groups out there that have specific agendas that are counter to a lot
of people's morality and/or the way they want to raise their children.
IMO, school, especially public school, is no place to discuss
sexuality.
Get and education?
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
I agree. Certainly not in kindergarten like one of our leading
Democratic candidates recently suggested.
They said on ET last night that it is going to be an "invitation-only"
funeral. That's going to piss off half of Hollywood. It's going to be
interesting watching the coverage on Friday and seeing who (and who
doesn't) show up.
thatz so hott
> Where should sexuality be taught then?
Where it's always been taught, you insufferable fool. In the heat
between a boy and a girl and that moment of first penetration. Who
needs old goddamn geezer bastards and dried up prunes lecturing to
kids who know exactly where that stiff dick needs to go and she's
gonna help you get it just right, and it's all Night Moves from then
on.
I hate this crowd. You're all a bunch of withered up old piano
teachers.
> Bernard Hubbard wrote:
>
>> Where should sexuality be taught then?
>
>Where it's always been taught, you insufferable fool. In the heat
>between a boy and a girl and that moment of first penetration. Who
>needs old goddamn geezer bastards and dried up prunes lecturing to
>kids who know exactly where that stiff dick needs to go and she's
>gonna help you get it just right, and it's all Night Moves from then
>on.
Then how come I didn't lose my virginity when I lost my virginity to
an equally virginal boy? I didn't even bleed. But I sure did when he
dumped me because I wasn't a virgin because he knew virgins bleed, and
I retaliated by picking up a guy on an overnight train to Alberta. He
told me to bring my knees up.
My first one sure knew where to put it, and I sure knew how to help
him get it just right...
Sometimes, Lumpy, you're just talking out of your ass.
Deborah
Blame society, don't blame me. Somewhere in Victorian England, they
invented the myth that sex was about love and romance. It's not.
It's about the overwhelming need to ejaculate as often as possible,
with as many females as possible. It's about time men stopped feeling
guilty.
No one has suffered more from that myth than women have. If we'd been
given the straight goods, we might have all become lesbians. So I
wonder who that myth served?
Deborah
I agree women have suffered from it. They surely didn't prior to
that, clear back to the Dawn of Time. It's impossible to underestimate
the influence that Queen Victoria's reign had over us all, and the
influence of the Romantic poets. Between the two, they damn near
destroyed sex. Maybe they have..
Women should tell their daughters that all men want them for is sex.
At least that would be honest, and restore women's power back to them
and let them develop it again. By giving away sex like it's chicken
feed, men are the ones who have benefited. Not women. Now you can't
get a guy to stay married, much less stay with the kids and help grow
them. Why, when he can dump it all and go off with a new female? At
least before, a man stayed married because he had a modicum of
societal pressure. Now there's zero. Who suffers from that? Guess.
Children.
It should be taught by the parents. It's part of parenting, as you
can't discuss sexuality without treading on morality. Morality isn't
something that liberals will allow to be taught in school, and
personally I don't think that it should.
At the very most, I think the school should provide parents resources
to guide them in the mechanics, especially to really stupid parents
that shouldn't have kids in the first place.
Bullshit. I play electric guitar...
The kids ARE getting it in school: rumors and bad info
passed around in the hallways. But hey! We certainly
can't talk about it in public places.
Hey, lab~rat >:-)
Do you know what FLOATING is? If you have teenagers,
maybe you'd better ask them about it.
In Utah, we have the highest rate of Plan B usage in the nation.
You see, you can't teach sex education and you can't use
birth control (because a "good girl" doesn't plan to have sex,
ever). So the girls have "accidental" sex, then visit Planned
Parenthood to get their Plan B. Same girls, over and over.
FLOATING isn't sex!
I won't come. I promise I'll pull it out.
Saran wrap is good birth control
Kris
Nah.
They're already screwed up before the divorce is even finalized.
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judging by the size of it
you'll get around to actually laughing
it off about the year 2017 ....
good luck
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