Outrage Grows Over Rosie O'Donnell's Asian Joke
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Outrage Grows Over Rosie O'Donnell's Asian Joke
TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 2006 11:20AM EST
By Cynthia Wang and Stephen M. Silverman
Members of the Asian-American community are expressing offense over remarks
made by Rosie O'Donnell last week on The View.
Commenting on Dec. 5 about a visit to the ABC show by an inebriated Danny
DeVito, O'Donnell said: "The fact is that it's news all over the world. That
you know, you can imagine in China it's like: 'Ching chong. Danny DeVito,
ching chong, chong, chong, chong. Drunk. The View. Ching chong.' "
O'Donnell wrote on her Web site on Friday, "It was not my intent to mock."
On Sunday, she called the bit "comedy" and wrote, "I do many accents and
probably will continue to. My mom in law impression offends some
southerners. What can u do? I come in peace."
Over the weekend, O'Donnell's rep, Cindi Berger, said in a statement: "She's
a comedian in addition to being a talk show co-host. I certainly hope that
one day they will be able to grasp her humor."
But the explanation did not satisfy many, including New York City councilman
John C. Liu, who sent a letter to View executive producer Barbara Walters.
Liu told FOXNews.com on Monday: "The 'ching-chong' bit is not a trivial
matter. It really hits a raw nerve for many people in the community - many
like myself, who grew up with these kinds of taunts. We all know that it
never ends at the taunts."
He added, "It's just stupidity, and it's stupidity that justifies a response
from someone who has been indignant herself when it comes to comments made
by other people where she has perceived it as being negative against a
particular community." (O'Donnell recently clashed with Kelly Ripa over what
she considered a homophobic remark.)
On Monday, the group UNITY: Journalists of Color, which represents more than
10,000 journalists with partner organizations (the Asian American
Journalists Association, the National Association of Black Journalists, the
National Association of Hispanic Journalists, and the Native American
Journalists Association), issued a statement.
It reads, in part: "By allowing O'Donnell's cheap jab at Chinese Americans
to go unchecked, the network is essentially condoning racial and ethnic
slurs. It's a practice that should not be tolerated in today's diverse
society. That's our view."
weather...@yahoo.com
There's a line in Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" that says
something about "Go and kill the Yellow man" or something. In college,
kids used to use that to mock the Asian students, singing it to their
face. Another insensitive line by a liberal phony.
lj
"edonline" <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I gotta agree with Rosie here....it's ridiculous that people get offended
over the least little thing. She meant no harm and did not do this in a
mocking way. I am a Southerner, and am not offended by her Southern accent
because she means no harm. She is did this in a light-hearted manner, not
mean-spirited in anyway. Get over it and get on with it!
RobBygr...@yahoo.com
This is similar to the n-word slur, except Rosie wants to force it down
Chinese people's throats and expect them to accept the slur as a
"joke." "You better accept it because it's a "joke." I'm not
apologizing one bit. In fact, I'm determined to continue on." So, where
is the fine line when offensive words can be accepted as "jokes?"
What she doesn't realize is that the slur may be offensive to Chinese
people as opposed to a joke to Americans. Sure, her intentions may be
clear to make a joke, but she clearly lacks sensitivity
chef_boyhowdy!
now if Trent Lott had said the same thing, watch the usual cast of AGC
fairy whackjobs storm the bastille in protest. Rosie shoots her mouth off
and pukes some racist intolerant bullshit? They're all mysteriously,
hypocritically quiet.
Zeph
She's an idiot and a hypocrite. This is the woman who took Kelly
Ripa's innocent comment to aiken as a homophobic slur. Yet she can
offend 1 billion chinese by expressinher her ignorance of their
language and she dismisses it as comedy.
She is a total fraud.
Z
Will
"edonline" <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1568896,00.html
>
> Commenting on Dec. 5 about a visit to the ABC show by an inebriated Danny
> DeVito, O'Donnell said: "The fact is that it's news all over the world.
> That you know, you can imagine in China it's like: 'Ching chong. Danny
> DeVito, ching chong, chong, chong, chong. Drunk. The View. Ching chong.' "
>
Looks like someone taking attendance at a school in China that DeVito was
transferrered to.
yD
I'm starting a campaign to ban "red neck" as a derogatory term for pale
complexioned folks. Like me.
yD
Scotius
I'll say this much. I think she's an idiot, and her criticism
of Kelly Ripa was not only something she didn't in the first place
have the right to express, but was wrong about. Rosie wouldn't let
someone she didn't know put his hands over her mouth, probably, but
since Clay Aiken is gay, she just assumed that was the reason why Ripa
objected. She had no basis to assume it, but she did. Bad on her.
Anyway, although she's an idiot, I really don't think she did
intend to mock. The fact is, she doesn't speak Cantonese or Mandarin,
and probably isn't smart enough to learn it if she did want to. She
did the best imitation she could, and she was just making the point
that it would be big news, probably because DeVito is not someone of
whom you'd expect that.
I really don't think she did mean anything nasty by it.
Zeph
On Dec 12, 2:53 pm, Scotius <wolvz...@mnsi.net> wrote:
> She did the best imitation she could, and she was just making the point that it would be big news, probably because DeVito is not someone of whom you'd expect that.
>
> I really don't think she did mean anything nasty by it.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Maybe she didnt; mean anythign nasty by it but it shows how stupid she
is. she could have made the same point without using her faux Chinese.
For someone who is so sensitive about her own issues, she sure is an
ass about other people's sensitivities.
Now suppose she had been mocking Hebrew doing the "best imitation she
good", would she be drummed out of the business?
Z
Doomella
Zeph wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2:53?pm, Scotius <wolvz...@mnsi.net> wrote:
> > She did the best imitation she could, and she was just making the point that it would be big news, probably because DeVito is not someone of whom you'd expect that.
> >
>
> Maybe she didnt; mean anythign nasty by it but it shows how stupid she
> is. she could have made the same point without using her faux Chinese.
> For someone who is so sensitive about her own issues, she sure is an
> ass about other people's sensitivities.
>
> Now suppose she had been mocking Hebrew doing the "best imitation she
> good", would she be drummed out of the business?
Or what if, say, Mel Gibson came on the show and did his "best
imitation" of a homosexual?
Kris Baker
<RobBygr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> This is similar to the n-word slur, except Rosie wants to force it down
> Chinese people's throats and expect them to accept the slur as a
> "joke." "
Wrong. Why don't you make a Lesbo joke and you'll be even.
Kris
Kris Baker
"lj" <lj...@south.net> wrote in message news:e3Dfh.40$Iz.13@bigfe9...
>
>
> I gotta agree with Rosie here....it's ridiculous that people get offended
> over the least little thing. She meant no harm and did not do this in a
> mocking way. I am a Southerner, and am not offended by her Southern accent
> because she means no harm. She is did this in a light-hearted manner, not
> mean-spirited in anyway. Get over it and get on with it!
Exactly. This wasn't Michael Ritchie or Mel Gibson. There were
no accusations, just the joke.
But....there's a lot of anti-Rosie forces at work, and they're easy to
spot. Faux News/NY Post has been heavy on her.
Kris
chef_boyhowdy!
and you'd be one of the ones screaming if Trent Lott had said this.
RobBygr...@yahoo.com
lol. That would be good idea, but tell that to the Chinese. I'm not the
one who's offended. Although, how likely do you think that a Chinese
would turn around and make a Lesbo joke?
Rob
SyVyN11
<weather...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> edonline wrote:
>
> There's a line in Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" that says
> something about "Go and kill the Yellow man" or something. In college,
> kids used to use that to mock the Asian students, singing it to their
> face. Another insensitive line by a liberal phony.
>
Okay jackass, here's a little context. That part of the song was about a
vietnam vet returning to America. It wasn't racist.
Kris Baker
<RobBygr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I don't know any Chinese who are offended. This sounds like that
one-off Rabbi in Seattle who threatened to sue the airport because
he wanted a display from his own religion. So, rather than accomodating
him like they'd accomodated others, the airport over-reacted.
If people can't tell the difference between Rosie's joke and
Michael Richards/Mel Gibsons' screeds, I feel sorry for them.
Don't racist comments have, uh, comments?
Kris
I just burped
Who did I offend?
katorzejames
it's interesting to watch all y'all process this one.
of course rosie was wrong.
coming off her kelly ripa thing, she really needs to apologize if she
wants to hold onto any credibility.
i wish some of us could get past the whole "i'm sick of PC " thing.
kids, you don't have to think of it as "PC".
think of it as good manners, good taste, compassion and maturity.
"what would martha stewart do?"
if you truly are confused about the right thing to do, that's all you
need to ask yourself.
katorzejames
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> and you'd be one of the ones screaming if Trent Lott had said this.
fantasia, why not grow some values of your own?
if others had no opinions or beliefs (infinitely mockable or
otherwise), would you simply die on the vine?
i'm asking!
Zeph
On Dec 12, 5:11 pm, "It's the Principle!"
<brandy...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
> Zeph <Zephyr8...@aol.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
> > ZWell, she was just trying to illustrate a point. Would it have better
> if she had rattled off a bunch of Chinese dishes? "Egg fu yung chow
> mein Danny DeVito kung pao drunk general tsao dimsum The View."
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Actually, that would have been better. Then she would be mocking her
own ignorance of the Chinese culture and acknowledging the fact that
when it comes to the Chinese, all she knows is their food.
Z
nimue
It wasn't racist at all. The song is the story of the man who was sent to
Viet Nam and returns home to failure and poverty -- Springsteen sings it,
but it's the story of this Viet Nam vet who has been destroyed by the US.
Anyway, the man whose story it is quite naturally would say "the yellow man"
and mean Asian -- he was trained to. That doesn't mean Springsteen would.
--
nimue
"As an unwavering Republican, I have quite naturally burned more books
than I have read." Betty Bowers
weather...@yahoo.com
I know the song well. I'm just saying he should have reconsidered
using that phrase, knowing it would be used out of context. I had the
same problem when the Clash used the word "Wops" in "Hate and War." I
know they meant well, but artists trying to make bigger points should
mind their smaller details, lest they get misunderstood.
Not that artists can be responsible for every syllable they create, but
Springsteen and the Clash should have known better. More thoughtful
writers would have found a better way to say what they were trying to
say. It's hard to imagine Dylan coming up with clinkers like that.
Come to think of it, the entire meaning of the song "Born in the USA"
was not understood at the time and probably still isn't by most
listeners. If Bruce really wanted his point to be made -- the one
about a disenfranchised Vietnam vet -- he might have thought to
construct his song so the anthemic music and thrust of the lyrics
wasn't at odds with the down-and-out story. He sings it like he's
charging off to battle, when his character is actually retreating from
life.
Doomella
weather...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I know the song well. I'm just saying he should have reconsidered
> using that phrase, knowing it would be used out of context. I had the
> same problem when the Clash used the word "Wops" in "Hate and War." I
> know they meant well, but artists trying to make bigger points should
> mind their smaller details, lest they get misunderstood.
And the Dead Kennedys shouldn't have called their song " "Too Tipsy to
Make Whoopee" instead of the offensive Too Drunk to Fuck." And Iggy
Pop should have had the manners to change "Cock in My Pocket" to "You
Are so Beautiful...To Me."
Travoltron
Zeph
On Dec 12, 8:59 pm, Travoltron <j...@travoltron.net> wrote:
> Funny take on it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qINiw6ub5U
Thank you. That was wonderful.
Z
Doomella
katorzejames wrote:
> it's interesting to watch all y'all process this one.
I wish I could return the compliment. Unfortunately your response was
cookie-cutter predictable. Did you teeter the fence for a nanosecond
(since Rosie is gay) before deciding which camp to side with? Do you
*always* think in bumper stickers?
nimue
What? They should have known that stupid people would misunderstand their
songs, so they should have written songs for stupid people? Have you ever
heard of the soft bigotry of low expectations?
>More
> thoughtful writers would have found a better way to say what they
> were trying to say.
Springsteen and the Clash are known for their thought-provoking songs.
There may be a reason for this.
>It's hard to imagine Dylan coming up with
> clinkers like that.
>
> Come to think of it, the entire meaning of the song "Born in the USA"
> was not understood at the time
Anyone with any reading comp ability who read or heard the lyrics understood
the song.
>and probably still isn't by most
> listeners. If Bruce really wanted his point to be made -- the one
> about a disenfranchised Vietnam vet -- he might have thought to
> construct his song so the anthemic music and thrust of the lyrics
> wasn't at odds with the down-and-out story. He sings it like he's
> charging off to battle, when his character is actually retreating from
> life.
I wonder what you think of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.
nimue
I always thought the Ramones song "I Wanna Be Sedated" would sound so much
better if it were called "I Want to Take a Nice Vacation and Relax."
Doomella
nimue wrote:
> Doomella wrote:
> > weather...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> I know the song well. I'm just saying he should have reconsidered
> >> using that phrase, knowing it would be used out of context. I had
> >> the same problem when the Clash used the word "Wops" in "Hate and
> >> War." I know they meant well, but artists trying to make bigger
> >> points should mind their smaller details, lest they get
> >> misunderstood.
> >
> > And the Dead Kennedys shouldn't have called their song " "Too Tipsy to
> > Make Whoopee" instead of the offensive Too Drunk to Fuck." And Iggy
> > Pop should have had the manners to change "Cock in My Pocket" to "You
> > Are so Beautiful...To Me."
>
> I always thought the Ramones song "I Wanna Be Sedated" would sound so much
> better if it were called "I Want to Take a Nice Vacation and Relax."
I couldn't agree more. Those assholes just weren't thinking about their
audience when they were trying to make these points. For that matter,
why couldn't "53rd & 3rd" have been called "Won't you be my Friend"?
nimue
I think Lou Reed's "Heroin" would have worked so much better as "Deep
Breathing Relaxation Techniques."
Doomella
> >>
> >> I couldn't agree more. Those assholes just weren't thinking about
> >> their audience when they were trying to make these points. For that
> >> matter, why couldn't "53rd & 3rd" have been called "Won't you be my
> >> Friend"?
> >
> >I think Lou Reed's "Heroin" would have worked so much better as "Deep
> >Breathing Relaxation Techniques."
>
> That's Okay By Me"
"Adopting our Baby...What a Lovely Way of Saying How Much You're
Willing to Commit to our Domestic Partnership."
nimue
Now I Wanna Be Your Dog Groomer.
Doomella
> --
> nimue
nimue wrote:
> Doomella wrote:
> >>>> I couldn't agree more. Those assholes just weren't thinking about
> >>>> their audience when they were trying to make these points. For that
> >>>> matter, why couldn't "53rd & 3rd" have been called "Won't you be my
> >>>> Friend"?
> >>>
> >>> I think Lou Reed's "Heroin" would have worked so much better as
> >>> "Deep Breathing Relaxation Techniques."
> >>
> >> And don't forget The Kinks' "Lola", now known as "Transgendered, But
> >> That's Okay By Me"
> >
> > "Adopting our Baby...What a Lovely Way of Saying How Much You're
> > Willing to Commit to our Domestic Partnership."
>
> Now I Wanna Be Your Dog Groomer.
I think we're about ready for the infomercial. I'd like it to be one of
those endless ones that begin (as if any don't) with the exasperated
housewife or humdrum weekend-fella in chino slacks, filmed in black and
white, being palpably offended by the thoughtless lyrics so callously
tossed our way by rock, pop, punk and even bubble-gum legends over the
decades. Our victims would be throwing CD's on the floor, grabbing
their ears, shaking their heads at likeminded party guests who just
came to HAVE A GOOD TIME AND LISTEN TO SOME NEAT MUSIC! An Asian couple
leaves in horror after shooting looks of deep betrayal at their
barbecue hosts, who had the audacity to play "Born in the USA" during
the horseshoe toss. A woman hurls her iPod into the pool when she
hears "Lay Lady Lay" without the anti-bestiality disclaimer.
Offensive music... Who needs it? Take'em away, Bob!
You handle the rest (the part that starts, Oz-like, in color*)
*no racial connotations implied.
carri...@yahoo.com
ever seen was a stuttering Chinese man.Richard Pryor was funny as hell.
Stop being so sensitive EVERYONE!
mo...@az.com
baaaad German accent and gargles out nonsense. Lots of sputtering,
gurgles, and angry noises. When he does this he IS making fun of
Germans, it's all a joke about how they sound when they talk -- and the
audience laughs. So, why aren't people freaked out over Conan mocking
Germans?
Rosie was pointing out how surprising it was to her that the drunk
Devito news made it around the world, she wasn't making fun of the way
Chinese people talk. I think most of the people slamming her understand
this, but they'll jump on any opportunity to express their outrage
about Rosie (and WHY they're so obsessed with hating her would make for
an entirely new thread).
Spanglebaby
Actually, it wasn't a "lesbo joke", but one day when I taped the show a
few weeks back, Joy Behar made a joking comment on The View about
so-called gay royalty and reasons why a person would consider
abdicating the throne in England. Elizabeth (who's an asskisser
extraordinaire just for the sake of keeping her job) looked horrified
and then glanced over at Rosie. Barbara was not there that day. Rosie
laughed her head off and thought (or appeared to think) that Joy's
comment was hilarious.
Maybe she was faking it or maybe it didn't matter because Joy accused a
man of hiding his supposed homosexuality instead of a woman? At any
rate, Rosie showed that day (to me, atl least) that she can dish it
out, but she can also take it. I expected her to get mad as hell when
Joy accused some deceased member of royalty of being a homosexual and
faking that he was straight, yet she absolutely didn't. Either way, it
totally surprised me that she was able to laugh aloud at the comment
and not get her ego bruised. It was one of those "Hmmm...imagine
that..." moments that kind of makes you re-think your original/previous
thoughts about a person.
S*Babykins
Spanglebaby
RobBygr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> edonline wrote:
> > http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1568896,00.html
> >
> > Outrage Grows Over Rosie O'Donnell's Asian Joke
> > TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 2006 11:20AM EST
> > By Cynthia Wang and Stephen M. Silverman
> >
> > Members of the Asian-American community are expressing offense over remarks
> > made by Rosie O'Donnell last week on The View.
> >
> > Commenting on Dec. 5 about a visit to the ABC show by an inebriated Danny
> > DeVito, O'Donnell said: "The fact is that it's news all over the world. That
> > you know, you can imagine in China it's like: 'Ching chong. Danny DeVito,
> > ching chong, chong, chong, chong. Drunk. The View. Ching chong.' "
> >
> > O'Donnell wrote on her Web site on Friday, "It was not my intent to mock."
> > On Sunday, she called the bit "comedy" and wrote, "I do many accents and
> > probably will continue to. My mom in law impression offends some
> > southerners. What can u do? I come in peace."
> >
> > Over the weekend, O'Donnell's rep, Cindi Berger, said in a statement: "She's
> > a comedian in addition to being a talk show co-host. I certainly hope that
> > one day they will be able to grasp her humor."
> >
> > But the explanation did not satisfy many, including New York City councilman
> > John C. Liu, who sent a letter to View executive producer Barbara Walters.
> >
> > Liu told FOXNews.com on Monday: "The 'ching-chong' bit is not a trivial
> > matter. It really hits a raw nerve for many people in the community - many
> > like myself, who grew up with these kinds of taunts. We all know that it
> > never ends at the taunts."
> >
> > He added, "It's just stupidity, and it's stupidity that justifies a response
> > from someone who has been indignant herself when it comes to comments made
> > by other people where she has perceived it as being negative against a
> > particular community." (O'Donnell recently clashed with Kelly Ripa over what
> > she considered a homophobic remark.)
> >
> > On Monday, the group UNITY: Journalists of Color, which represents more than
> > 10,000 journalists with partner organizations (the Asian American
> > Journalists Association, the National Association of Black Journalists, the
> > National Association of Hispanic Journalists, and the Native American
> > Journalists Association), issued a statement.
> >
> > It reads, in part: "By allowing O'Donnell's cheap jab at Chinese Americans
> > to go unchecked, the network is essentially condoning racial and ethnic
> > slurs. It's a practice that should not be tolerated in today's diverse
> > society. That's our view."
>
> This is similar to the n-word slur, except Rosie wants to force it down
> Chinese people's throats and expect them to accept the slur as a
> apologizing one bit. In fact, I'm determined to continue on." So, where
> is the fine line when offensive words can be accepted as "jokes?"
>
> What she doesn't realize is that the slur may be offensive to Chinese
> people as opposed to a joke to Americans. Sure, her intentions may be
> clear to make a joke, but she clearly lacks sensitivity
Maybe because she doesn't speak their language, "Ching Chong" is
actually *how* it sounds to her? I think it was ignorant of her to have
made an outright vocal *impersonation* of how the language supposedly
sounds to her, but I don't think it was meant to be vicious. It was a
stupid and uneducated mistake.
S*Babykins
Spanglebaby
Zeph wrote:
> Actually, that would have been better. Then she would be mocking her
> own ignorance of the Chinese culture and acknowledging the fact that
> when it comes to the Chinese, all she knows is their food.
>
> Z
Yeah, maybe when it comes to Chinese, Rosie's had of "eating out
experience".
(Pre-Kelly, that is.)
;-) <sorry for the visual image, folks... just a play on words...I had
to.>
S*Babykins
katorzejames
Doomella wrote:
> I wish I could return the compliment. Unfortunately your response was
> cookie-cutter predictable. Did you teeter the fence for a nanosecond
> (since Rosie is gay) before deciding which camp to side with? Do you
> *always* think in bumper stickers?
honey, i wasn't talking about you.
i responded to your post because it was the last one in the thread.
no, i didn't "teeter".
i don't "side" with political camps.
i think, "what would jesus do?"
"what would martha stewart do?"
"what would my mother do?"
that's all the politics i need.
i think rosie is an idiot savant, with emphasis on the "idiot".
i'm glad she speaks up for gays and families and families of gays, but
i think she has diahrreah of the mouth and needs to be more
responsible.
do you really think i care about whether she's gay in this case?
she ripped miss ripa a new asshole last month and i laughed because i
knew she was right - but i also felt she was pretty touchy and maybe
needs to pick her battles more wisely.
now she's getting her own asshole ripped and she doesn't have the
class to educate herself and apologize.
it's interesting to watch people process this.
dumb is dumb, whether you are "gay" or "straight".
it's not about politics.
it's about good manners.
now go soak your hot head.
katorzejames
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> That's about all any of us know about the Chinese. LOL! That, and
> Jackie Chan.
who is "us"? (LOL)
katorzejames
i mean, "go soak your hot head, *please*.
honestly!
i agreed with your post, all right?
katorzejames
> Chinese people talk.
yes she was.
not on purpose, but unconsciously, thoughtlessly and on a sadly
infantile level.
that's how non-asian children who have not been raised correctly
indicate "chinese" speech.
it's like pulling up your eyes to indicate "slantiness".
rosie o'donnell is not 70s era richard pryor(!)
she is a daytime talk show host.
she needs to be a little more classy and sophisticated than that.
i can't believe some of you need to have this kind of shit pointed out
to you!
i strongly encourage you kids to read a fucking book.
honestly!
Doomella
katorzejames wrote:
> Doomella wrote:
>
> > I wish I could return the compliment. Unfortunately your response was
> > cookie-cutter predictable. Did you teeter the fence for a nanosecond
> > (since Rosie is gay) before deciding which camp to side with? Do you
> > *always* think in bumper stickers?
>
>
> honey, i wasn't talking about you.
> i responded to your post because it was the last one in the thread.
> no, i didn't "teeter".
> i don't "side" with political camps.
> i think, "what would jesus do?"
> "what would martha stewart do?"
> "what would my mother do?"
> that's all the politics i need.
Sometimes those who "teeter" before choosing sides come on like
gangbusters when they finally choose one, because they find themselves
in the position of having to convince themselves *and* everybody else.
Leave Martha out of your decisionmaking trilogy; I saw her abusing the
hell out of an innocent shopgirl at Dean & DeLuca once. Just awful. You
never know what Martha would do.
Zeph
On Dec 13, 1:07 am, "Spanglebaby" <serenejoaq...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Zeph wrote:
> > Actually, that would have been better. Then she would be mocking her
> > own ignorance of the Chinese culture and acknowledging the fact that
> > when it comes to the Chinese, all she knows is their food.
>
> > ZYeah, maybe when it comes to Chinese, Rosie's had of "eating out
> experience".
>
> (Pre-Kelly, that is.)
>
> ;-) <sorry for the visual image, folks... just a play on words...I had
> to.>
>
> S*Babykins
Are you referring to her Chinese ex-gal pal Tina Tung So Long?
Z
Now what part of that joke would be acceptable to Rosie? would it be
homophobic and offensive? Or is the part mocking American perceptions
of Chinese names acceptable comedy?
Ilene Bilenky
weather...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There's a line in Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" that says
> something about "Go and kill the Yellow man" or something. In college,
> kids used to use that to mock the Asian students, singing it to their
> face. Another insensitive line by a liberal phony.
Kee-rist. It's not enough that Reagan try to appropriate "Born in the
USA" as a patriotic rant. The song mentioned above refers to a guy being
drafted to Vietnam as an alternative sentence to jail for some minor
criminal offense and that the U.S. government sent him "to kill the
yellow man." Also talks about how the soldier loved a Vietnamese woman
and came back to the U.S. with his life in ruins.
Ilene B
Fantasia_Burro
> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>
>> and you'd be one of the ones screaming if Trent Lott had said this.
>
>
> fantasia, why not grow some values of your own?
why dont YOU stand up and slam Rosie for being an intolerant racist?
Or are you going to excuse her and allow it because she's a member of a
perceived victim group? thats exactly what is going on here. You have no
values either, Quator. Yours shift with the foul wind.
> if others had no opinions or beliefs (infinitely mockable or
> otherwise), would you simply die on the vine?
no worries, theres an endless supply of hypocritical double-standard
advocating tards like you, and her. It makes this place amusing.
chef_boyhowdy!
> katorzejames wrote:
>> it's interesting to watch all y'all process this one.
>
> I wish I could return the compliment. Unfortunately your response was
> cookie-cutter predictable. Did you teeter the fence for a nanosecond
> (since Rosie is gay) before deciding which camp to side with? Do you
> *always* think in bumper stickers?
>
>
he/she is so confused, it cant even decide which bumper sticker to use.
yesterday it was "what would jesus do?" and today thats been plastered over
with "what would martha stewart do?"
chef_boyhowdy!
> Conan O'Brien often makes fun of the way Germans speak, he puts on a
> baaaad German accent and gargles out nonsense. Lots of sputtering,
> gurgles, and angry noises. When he does this he IS making fun of
> Germans, it's all a joke about how they sound when they talk -- and the
> audience laughs. So, why aren't people freaked out over Conan mocking
> Germans?
because they're white.
and they have that terrible mark on their history.
the Japs too, but, they're not white.
mosq...@amnetline.com
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katorzejames
Fantasia_Burro wrote:
> why dont YOU stand up and slam Rosie for being an intolerant racist?
i don't think she's intolerant or "racist".
i don't use that word - especially on this volatile ng.
i think rosie is dumb and that she suffers from the sin of pride.
katorzejames
Doomella wrote:
> Sometimes those who "teeter" before choosing sides come on like
> gangbusters when they finally choose one, because they find themselves
> in the position of having to convince themselves *and* everybody else.
perhaps that's true, but i think it's ok to "teeter".
if you don't know how you feel, it's no sin to research the issue and
think a couple days before you hold forth on any given issue.
i do that sometimes.
in this case, i felt embarassment when i heard rosie do her "ching
chang chong" thing and it took me right back to the playground in
elementary school: "me chinese; me play joke - me go peepee in your
coke", etc.
badly raised children doing corny, bad things.
i immediately thought, you are just as trashy as kelly ripa, you big
phony!
rosie should have known better.
as far as martha stewart's personal behavior is concerned - i guess i
can defer to your expert view, but i'm really talking about the
official "martha stewart line" - what she would tell you to do ideally
, not necessarily what she might do as a flawed human under pressure.
after all, jesus lost it when he was shopping at church once, too.
i hated the story of jesus at the temple as a kid.
i told my mom, jesus was mean and rude!
my mom said, that was the human side of jesus; he was cracking under
pressure because his feelings were so intense.
katorzejames
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> because they're white.
> and they have that terrible mark on their history.
> the Japs too, but, they're not white.
...why are you so obsessed w/"race"?
just kidding.
it's good to see you acknowledging that sensitivity is not a bad thing
and that language and manners are important.
chef_boyhowdy!
> Fantasia_Burro wrote:
>
>> why dont YOU stand up and slam Rosie for being an intolerant racist?
>
> i don't think she's intolerant or "racist".
I do. she shows it on multiple occasions.
> i don't use that word - especially on this volatile ng.
hey, dont say the NG word. People might think you're a racist.
wait, too late. they already do.
> i think rosie is dumb and that she suffers from the sin of pride.
TETSIFY, SISTA, TESTIFY
jeremyfivemiami2
If Asian-Americans do not wish to be widely perceived as having an
accent, then let them rid themselves of the accent. End of problem. I
know of Asian-Americans who have done it, so it can be done. Until
that time, humor will continue to take place, just as it has for every
single ethnic group in this country who has had an audible
"difference".
I was once astounded in a Chinese restaurant when the waitress asked me
if I wanted a "fuck". I was really amazed. It took me a few minutes
to realize she had asked me if I wanted a "fork". Her problem or mine?
Communication-wise, it was clearly hers. (Call me racist, but it
makes for a very funny story when I relate it to my friends.)
The sick right-wing loves to target Rosie. They should get real and
try to reach out to all Americans, instead of attacking those with whom
they disagree. Rosie, as a high-profile gay person serves to represent
many viewpoints commonly held by gay people--and of course they want to
attack anyone who is different. Why else would the Neocons have just
elected Trent Lott--one of the most high profile of all homophobes and
racists to a top senate position in their party? Is that really the
best they could find? Doubt it.
I would really think that the right-wing should be more concerned with
the very obvious corruption, intolerance and hypocracy that flourished
in the heart of their base.
Leave Rosie alone.
Her views are also very New York, and in my experience, New Yorkers
often come across as more ethnically insensitive to the rest of the
country. The reason is simple--New Yorkers deal with ethnic clashes
every single day of the year. The ethnic neighborhoods are in very
close proximity. New Yorkers, because of the limitations of the
Manhattan Island (and boroughs) cannot retreat to the racially pure
white (or other) suburbs to completely avoid daily interaction with
other cultures, sometimes involving conflict. (That's why when a white
man is approached for change in the enclosed space of a subway car by a
group of black youths wielding screwdrivers, it becomes national news
when he shoots one.)
New York is a little crass. Whaddayahknow?
Would you lay off Rosie, you insecure hypocrites?
J
Doomella
jeremyfivemiami2 wrote:
> I was once astounded in a Chinese restaurant when the waitress asked me
> if I wanted a "fuck". I was really amazed. It took me a few minutes
> to realize she had asked me if I wanted a "fork". Her problem or mine?
> Communication-wise, it was clearly hers. (Call me racist, but it
> makes for a very funny story when I relate it to my friends.)
lol
How many forks did she have to bring you before you finally figured it
out?
williamhubbard
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scooter34
Actually, the soldier's buddy loved a Vietnamese woman, and he died
over there. The soldier comes home and is unable to get a job or any
help. His life is indeed destroyed by the war.
scooter34
Parson
Her so called "Apology" was pathetic.