Ragheads Kicked Off Of Phoenix - Bound Flight...
Gregory Morrow
[WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and take some
responsibility for their obviously provocative behaviour...!!!???]
6 imams removed from Twin Cities flight
By STEVE KARNOWSKI, Associated Press [November 21, 2006]
"The Council on American-Islamic Relations called Tuesday for an
investigation into the behavior of airline staff and airport security in the
removal of six Muslim scholars from a US Airways flight a day earlier.
A passenger raised concerns about the imams < three of whom said their
normal evening prayers in the airport terminal before boarding the
Phoenix-bound plane, according to one < through a note passed to a flight
attendant, according to Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways.
"We are concerned that crew members, passengers and security personnel may
have succumbed to fear and prejudice based on stereotyping of Muslims and
Islam," Nihad Awad, the council's executive director, said in a news
release.
The six were returning from a conference in Minneapolis of the North
American Imams Federation, said Omar Shahin of Phoenix, president of the
group.
"They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way,"
Shahin said after the incident.
Shahin said Tuesday that three members of the group prayed in the terminal
before the six boarded the plane. They entered individually, except for one
member who is blind and needed to be guided, Shahin said. Once on the plane,
the six did not sit together, he said.
"We did nothing" on the plane, Shahin said.
The six were among passengers who boarded Flight 300, bound for Phoenix,
around 6:30 p.m. Monday, airport spokesman Pat Hogan said.
Police were called after the captain and airport security workers asked the
men to leave the plane and the men refused, Rader said.
Shahin said no one asked the six to leave until police arrived, when the
group complied.
"Unfortunately, this is a growing problem of singling out Muslims or people
perceived to be Muslims at airports, and it's one that we've been addressing
for some time," council spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said.
Hooper said the meeting drew about 150 imams from all over the country, and
that those attending included Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who just
became the first Muslim elected to Congress. Shahin said they went as far as
notifying police and the FBI about their meeting in advance.
Shahin expressed frustration that < despite extensive efforts by him and
other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks < so
many Americans know so little about Islam.
"If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he
said.
Shahin said the group spent the night at the home of a local imam and was
waiting for a phone call Tuesday from US Airways. Hooper said US Airways
refused to put the men on another flight.
The airline did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment on that
aspect Tuesday.
The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 141 passengers and
five crew members, were re-screened for boarding, Rader said. The plane took
off about three hours after the men were removed.
</>
A Guy Called Tyketto
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In rec.travel.air Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>
> [WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and take some
> responsibility for their obviously provocative behaviour...!!!???]
Maybe when people like you stop being ignorant. It is people
like you that need to be shot.
Grow some pubes and learn something.
BL.
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No 33 Secretary
<gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:TzJ8h.1882$tM1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>
> [WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and
> take some responsibility for their obviously provocative
> behaviour...!!!???]
What provocative behavior? Enquiring minds want to know.
--
"What is the first law?"
"To Protect."
"And the second?"
"Ourselves."
Terry Austin
yD
Gregory Morrow wrote:
> x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>
> [WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and take some
> responsibility for their obviously provocative behaviour...!!!???]
>
> 6 imams removed from Twin Cities flight
>
> By STEVE KARNOWSKI, Associated Press [November 21, 2006]
>
> "The Council on American-Islamic Relations called Tuesday for an
> investigation into the behavior of airline staff and airport security in the
> removal of six Muslim scholars from a US Airways flight a day earlier.
>
> A passenger raised concerns about the imams < three of whom said their
> normal evening prayers in the airport terminal before boarding the
> Phoenix-bound plane, according to one < through a note passed to a flight
> attendant, according to Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways.
I wonder what the note said that persuaded staff to ask them to leave.
If it was because the writer had seen them praying before boarding
wouldn't he or she have said something then, rather than wait until
they were on the plane?
>
> "We are concerned that crew members, passengers and security personnel may
> have succumbed to fear and prejudice based on stereotyping of Muslims and
> Islam," Nihad Awad, the council's executive director, said in a news
> release.
With all due respect, fear and prejudice is based on the history of
Muslim terrorism not "stereotyping."
> The six were returning from a conference in Minneapolis of the North
> American Imams Federation, said Omar Shahin of Phoenix, president of the
> group.
>
> "They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way,"
> Shahin said after the incident.
Like what?
> Shahin said Tuesday that three members of the group prayed in the terminal
> before the six boarded the plane. They entered individually, except for one
> member who is blind and needed to be guided, Shahin said. Once on the plane,
> the six did not sit together, he said.
>
> "We did nothing" on the plane, Shahin said.
>
> The six were among passengers who boarded Flight 300, bound for Phoenix,
> around 6:30 p.m. Monday, airport spokesman Pat Hogan said.
>
> Police were called after the captain and airport security workers asked the
> men to leave the plane and the men refused, Rader said.
>
> Shahin said no one asked the six to leave until police arrived, when the
> group complied.
Huh? How long was the plane with all its passengers sitting before the
police arrived? I'm not sure about this at all -- don't staff,
stewards, captain etc. usually say there's a problem and ask people to
leave? Maybe, since there were six and sitting in different parts of
the plane it was decided not to 'tackle' them without the police. But
what about the airport security staff?
> "Unfortunately, this is a growing problem of singling out Muslims or people
> perceived to be Muslims at airports, and it's one that we've been addressing
> for some time," council spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said.
Try addressing it with a massive series of anti-Muslim terrorist
activity in every town and city in the country. Protest loudly and
often.
>
> Hooper said the meeting drew about 150 imams from all over the country, and
> that those attending included Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minn., who just
> became the first Muslim elected to Congress. Shahin said they went as far as
> notifying police and the FBI about their meeting in advance.
But this happened when they were going home *after* the meeting.
Presumably different destinations for all attendees at the meeting.
>
> Shahin expressed frustration that < despite extensive efforts by him and
> other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks < so
> many Americans know so little about Islam.
>
> "If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he
> said.
Does this mean that they were seen at prayer and that was what the
passenger *waited* until he or she was on the plane to notify someone
about?
Sorry, that doesn't make sense to me. If I was worried about something
I saw before I got on a plane I sure as hell wouldn't wait until I, a
few hundred others and a group of what I thought were "suspicious"
people were all on the enclosed, claustrophobic inducing airplane.
Would you?
> Shahin said the group spent the night at the home of a local imam and was
> waiting for a phone call Tuesday from US Airways. Hooper said US Airways
> refused to put the men on another flight.
>
> The airline did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment on that
> aspect Tuesday.
>
> The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 141 passengers and
> five crew members, were re-screened for boarding, Rader said. The plane took
> off about three hours after the men were removed.
Hmm any of them complaining at the stereotyping here -- all on a plane,
after all, with "suspicious" people and so *they* had to be rescreened?
yD
>
> </>
Gregory Morrow
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> In rec.travel.air Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
> >
> > [WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and take some
> > responsibility for their obviously provocative behaviour...!!!???]
>
> Maybe when people like you stop being ignorant. It is people
> like you that need to be shot.
>
> Grow some pubes and learn something.
Oh Bwad, I am just CWUSHED by your MEAN comments....
BTW could you send me your PGP key...???
Lol...
[So sez Brad Littlejohn, the guy who a few years ago on rec.travel.air
went into a MAJOR hissy fit because Japan Airlines wouldn't hold a
flight for a few hours for his mail - order Asian galfriend who was
travelling on a cheapo ECONOMY class ticket...<chuckle/>]
xoxoxoxo
Greg
Gregory Morrow
No 33 Secretary wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:TzJ8h.1882$tM1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> > x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
> >
> > [WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and
> > take some responsibility for their obviously provocative
> > behaviour...!!!???]
>
> What provocative behavior? Enquiring minds want to know.
What did all the 9/11 terrorists do before they boarded their planes,
Terry...???
--
Best
Greg
A Guy Called Tyketto
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Buy a ticket, check in, get a boarding pass, go through
security, and wait for the GA to announce boarding.. The same exact
thing everyone else did and does, but without the intolerance and
ignorance that you show.
You want to save yourself of all the cry-babying? Simple. Go
Greyhound.
BL.
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Mike Hunt
> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:TzJ8h.1882$tM1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>>
>>[WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and
>>take some responsibility for their obviously provocative
>>behaviour...!!!???]
>
>
> What provocative behavior? Enquiring minds want to know.
>
Apparently they were PRAYING.
God, what a country this has become.
Mike Hunt
>>The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 141 passengers and
>>five crew members, were re-screened for boarding, Rader said. The plane took
>>off about three hours after the men were removed.
>
>
> Hmm any of them complaining at the stereotyping here -- all on a plane,
> after all, with "suspicious" people and so *they* had to be rescreened?
> yD
I find that most amusing, except that it affected more than just the
complainer.
Mike Hunt
They didn't pray in public in the departure lounge
Mike Hunt
> If I was a passenger on the plane I would have been really pissed off
> at the complainer.
>
> Every one on the plane went through TSA security.
>
> Why isn't that good enough?
>
> Why should one SOB passenger be so fearful that he can cause this
> problem and the long delay?
It sounds like the wrong people were forced off the plane.
Tchiowa
John wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:47:47 -0800, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost>
> wrote:
>
> at the complainer.
>
> Every one on the plane went through TSA security.
>
> Why isn't that good enough?
>
> Why should one SOB passenger be so fearful that he can cause this
> problem and the long delay?
>From what I've read there were several people who complained about
their behavior. Including flight attendants. For example they were
flying together but then split up into separate areas of the plane.
Several changed seats. Nothing that would seem abnormal if it hadn't
have been for 9/11. But 9/11 happened and so people got concerned. They
also refused to cooperate with the FAs.
It's probably very unfair to these guys. And they have every right to
be mad. But they need to understand that they should be mad at the
Islamic Terrorists who created the level of fear that exists and at
Islamic religious leaders who refuse to adamantly condemn terrorism and
a "man in the street" Muslims who cheered and celebrated after 9/11.
They are the ones who created among the average Joe in the US the
belief that Muslims should be viewed with suspicion.
chef_boyhowdy!
Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in combatting and
preventing terrorist attacks.
It wasnt exactly blonde haired blue eyed swedish flight attendants that
blew up all those bombs in past attacks.
dr.b...@ziplip.com
AES
"Tchiowa" <tchi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's probably very unfair to these guys. And they have every right to
> be mad. But they need to understand that they should be mad at the
> Islamic Terrorists who created the level of fear that exists and at
> Islamic religious leaders who refuse to adamantly condemn terrorism and
> a "man in the street" Muslims who cheered and celebrated after 9/11.
> They are the ones who created among the average Joe in the US the
> belief that Muslims should be viewed with suspicion.
Every once in a while one actually sees an intelligent, sensible,
reasoned viewpoint expressed on a Usenet newsgroup . . .
No 33 Secretary
news:MeydnWy5svi1ef7Y...@comcast.com:
Indeed.
> God, what a country this has become.
>
God has nothing to do with it.
No 33 Secretary
news:sk3sug5hp03r$.1rhkuk9p...@40tude.net:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:21 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Gregory Morrow"
>>>><gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>>>news:TzJ8h.1882$tM1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>>>>>
>>>>>[WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and
>>>>>take some responsibility for their obviously provocative
>>>>>behaviour...!!!???]
>>>>
>>>>What provocative behavior? Enquiring minds want to know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What did all the 9/11 terrorists do before they boarded their
>>> planes, Terry...???
>>>
>>
>> They didn't pray in public in the departure lounge
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
And it preventing innocent bystanders from excercising their
constitutional right to travel.
>
> It wasnt exactly blonde haired blue eyed swedish flight
> attendants that blew up all those bombs in past attacks.
>
If you put the entire human race to death - starting with you -
there will never again be a single terrorist incident, or crime of
any other kind. You _must_ support this, or admit you are a racist
(and therefore, by definition, mentally retarded) hypocrite. You
_must_ immediately kill yourself to prevent yourself from ever
committing a crime, or admit you are a racist (and therefore, by
definition, mentally retarded) hypocrite.
Any "security measure" that affects more innocents than criminals
is counterproductive. It is part of the problem. *You* are part of
the problem.
Mxsmanic
> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in combatting and
> preventing terrorist attacks.
True, but people praying in a terminal do not match the profile of
terrorists.
--
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No 33 Secretary
news:he19m2d1kb56bvaep...@4ax.com:
> chef_boyhowdy! writes:
>
>> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
>> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
>
> True,
No, actually, it's not.
Profiling people of arabic descent would not have stopped Oklahoma
City. So, obviously, 'tard-boy thinks that caucasians should be kept
from traveling. He _must_, unless he's just a racist (and therefore,
by definition, mentally retarded) hypocrite.
--
Gregory Morrow
No 33 Secretary wrote:
> Any "security measure" that affects more innocents than criminals
> is counterproductive. It is part of the problem. *You* are part of
> the problem.
El Al Israel Airlines and the the Israeli Airports Authority seem to
disagree with you. They profile, and profile VERY aggressively - which
is why they've had no "incidents" for quite a few years now...we here
in the US should emulate them.
--
Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
No 33 Secretary wrote:
> Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:he19m2d1kb56bvaep...@4ax.com:
>
> > chef_boyhowdy! writes:
> >
> >> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
> >> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
> >
> > True,
>
> No, actually, it's not.
>
> Profiling people of arabic descent would not have stopped Oklahoma
> City. So, obviously, 'tard-boy thinks that caucasians should be kept
> from traveling. He _must_, unless he's just a racist (and therefore,
> by definition, mentally retarded) hypocrite.
The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
--
Best
Greg
chef_boyhowdy!
> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
> news:sk3sug5hp03r$.1rhkuk9p...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:21 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>
>>>> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Gregory Morrow"
>>>>><gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:TzJ8h.1882$tM1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying and
>>>>>>take some responsibility for their obviously provocative
>>>>>>behaviour...!!!???]
>>>>>
>>>>>What provocative behavior? Enquiring minds want to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What did all the 9/11 terrorists do before they boarded their
>>>> planes, Terry...???
>>>>
>>>
>>> They didn't pray in public in the departure lounge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
>> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
>
> And it preventing innocent bystanders from excercising their
> constitutional right to travel.
what do you want? ultimate freedom for every person, regardless of
circumstances, or some sort of preventative security measures being
enforced when need be?
the twain shall never meet.
personally, i'm all in favor of ocassionally being inconvenienced if the
outcome is bad guys getting busted.
>>
>> It wasnt exactly blonde haired blue eyed swedish flight
>> attendants that blew up all those bombs in past attacks.
>>
> If you put the entire human race to death - starting with you -
> there will never again be a single terrorist incident, or crime of
> any other kind. You _must_ support this, or admit you are a racist
> (and therefore, by definition, mentally retarded) hypocrite. You
> _must_ immediately kill yourself to prevent yourself from ever
> committing a crime, or admit you are a racist (and therefore, by
> definition, mentally retarded) hypocrite.
>
> Any "security measure" that affects more innocents than criminals
> is counterproductive. It is part of the problem. *You* are part of
> the problem.
thats real nice buttercup.
notice how the liberal left immediately dissolves in hatred, while accusing
others of being hateful, and then hilarously calls OTHER PEOPLE hypocrites.
Yup, hypocrites, JUST LIKE YOU.
now show me all the incidents where terrorist attacks in the last 12 months
were committed by blonde blue eyed swedish airlines stewardesses.
Gregory Morrow
Mike Hunt wrote:
> Tchiowa wrote:
>
> >>From what I've read there were several people who complained about
> > their behavior. Including flight attendants. For example they were
> > flying together but then split up into separate areas of the plane.
> > Several changed seats.
>
> Given the number of people that complain when their families are
> separated, it doesn't seem unusual that 6 people would not be able to
> find seats together.
>
> Where did you read that they changed seats?
I've heard it on various news reports (ABC and CBS radio, etc.)...
I just saw video on CNN of these guys trying to argue their way back on
a US Airways flight, they were VERY arrogant and hectoring towards the
US Airways check - in staff. They are REAL lucky they didn't get
arrested a *second* time for this type of behaviour...but then Muslims
are all suffering from a type of psychosis anyways so they'll simply
never learn.
[BTW one of the guys WAS fat, he obviously would need a seatbelt
extender...]
Here is a news article with a copy of the note (click on the NYTimes
URL to see the exact copy, I've transcribed it and the article since
the NYTimes is a subscriber site).
The note reads:
"6 suspicious Arab men on plane, spaced out in their seats. All were
together saying "...Allah, Allah...", cursing US involvement w/Saddam
before flight. 1 in front exit row, another in first row in 1st class,
another in 8D, another 22D, two in 25E&F..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/22/us/22muslim.html
"Six Muslim religious leaders were taken off a US Airways flight in
Minneapolis on Monday evening and detained for several hours after some
passengers and crew members complained of behavior they deemed
suspicious, including prayers at the gate.
The incident prompted the Council on American-Islamic Relations and
Washington officials of the National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People to call yesterday for Congressional hearings on
profiling and an investigation by the Justice Department and the
Transportation Security Administration.
Nihad Awad, executive director of the Islamic advocacy group, said this
was hardly the first time Muslims had encountered problems with
stereotyping by the airline. "We seem to have received more
complaints against US Airways" than other carriers, Mr. Awad said in
an interview. Those complaints have come from Muslim employees and
passengers alike, he said.
Morgan Durrant, a US Airways spokesman, said the airline was
investigating the episode. But he said the crew had acted in accordance
with the company's policy for removing passengers, though he declined
to give specifics on the policy.
The six men detained, all imams, had attended a Minneapolis conference
of the North American Imams Federation. They were handcuffed by the
police and led off the flight, bound for Phoenix, after reports from
passengers and crew members of "unsettling" behavior, according to
a police report. One passenger had slipped a note to a flight attendant
that began, "6 suspicious Arabic men on plane," the report said.
After being detained for five hours and questioned separately by
federal agents, all six men were released, said Patrick Hogan, a
spokesman for Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.
One of the six, Omar Ahmad Shahin of Phoenix, said he had been
questioned for less than a half-hour. "This is the humiliation,"
said Dr. Shahin, 45. "They found nothing. They found we had a good
relation with everybody."
A phone call yesterday to the Minneapolis office of the F.B.I. was not
returned.
The men's fare was refunded to them, but yesterday morning a US
Airways ticket agent refused to book them on another flight to Phoenix.
They returned instead on a Northwest Airlines flight.
Detailed accounts of the incident varied. Witnesses, including a number
of passengers and US Airways employees, said they heard some of the men
making anti-American remarks and chanting "Allah," first as they
boarded the plane and then when led off, Mr. Hogan said.
Others said the men behaved strangely once on board, with some asking
for seat belt extensions, the police report said. "I did not see they
actually needed them," one flight attendant wrote in a statement
given to the police. "They were not overweight."
Dr. Shahin disagreed, saying the extensions were necessary for their
"big bodies."
In another statement, a gate agent said some of the imams had been
praying in Arabic in the gate area. "I was suspicious by the way they
were praying very loud," the agent said.
A second imam, Ahmad Tafish Shqeirat, said that three of the six had
prayed in the gate area, in the ritual of evening prayers, but had not
meant to be disruptive and indeed had taken pains not to disturb other
passengers."
</>
chef_boyhowdy!
> chef_boyhowdy! writes:
>
>> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in combatting and
>> preventing terrorist attacks.
>
> True, but people praying in a terminal do not match the profile of
> terrorists.
If they are Moslem men, that fits the profile of terrorist, to a certain
degree.
chef_boyhowdy!
thats one example of how profiling doesnt always work. McVeigh was, so far,
an anamoly. In the last 4 years, how many bombings in the West, or their
interests abroad, were commited by anybody EXCEPT MOSLEMS?
zero, i believe.
now why is that, secretary thirty turd?
keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong. I couldnt care
less who they profile. Maybe you've got a stick up your ass because they
profile you.
Mike Hunt
How many incidents has the US had in the past 5 years?
Mike Hunt
> The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
>
But, they could have.
No 33 Secretary
news:1gqpevhyu2jnj.12xep52f39gq8$.d...@40tude.net:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:57:48 -0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
>> news:sk3sug5hp03r$.1rhkuk9p...@40tude.net:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:21 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Gregory Morrow"
>>>>>><gregorymorrowTheDa...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>>>>in news:TzJ8h.1882$tM1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>x-posted rec.travel.air,alt.gossip.celebrities
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[WHEN will these stinking ragheads stop the cry - babying
>>>>>>>and take some responsibility for their obviously
>>>>>>>provocative behaviour...!!!???]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What provocative behavior? Enquiring minds want to know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What did all the 9/11 terrorists do before they boarded
>>>>> their planes, Terry...???
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They didn't pray in public in the departure lounge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
>>> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
>>
>> And it preventing innocent bystanders from excercising their
>> constitutional right to travel.
>
>
> what do you want?
A solution that does not cause more damage than the problem.
And racists (and therefore, by definition, retards) like you to
suffer. A lot.
So only terrorist incidents from the last 12 months apply? Only a
racist (and therefore, by definition, retard) could possibly think
so.
Show me how *all* muslims _must_ be terrorists. Ethnic profiling
punishes orders of magnitude more innocents than criminals.
But then, that's your *point*, isn't it? To punish the dirty brown
animals, eh? Do you get an erection when you type shit like that?
Yeah, you probably do. Racist. And therefore, by definition,
retard.
A Guy Called Tyketto
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In rec.travel.air chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:57:48 -0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
>>> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
>>
>> And it preventing innocent bystanders from excercising their
>> constitutional right to travel.
>
>
> what do you want? ultimate freedom for every person, regardless of
> circumstances, or some sort of preventative security measures being
> enforced when need be?
>
> the twain shall never meet.
>
> personally, i'm all in favor of ocassionally being inconvenienced if the
> outcome is bad guys getting busted.
>
A wise man once said, "Those who give up their freedoms for
security deserve neither freedom nor security."
That wise man was Benjamin Franklin, 1st. U.S. Postmaster
General.
If you're that blind to the things that you miss, perhaps you
should move to where profiling is done heavily. Then you will see what
you so blindly miss.
BL.
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Mike Hunt
>
> The note reads:
>
> "6 suspicious Arab men on plane, spaced out in their seats. All were
> together saying "...Allah, Allah...", cursing US involvement w/Saddam
> before flight. 1 in front exit row, another in first row in 1st class,
> another in 8D, another 22D, two in 25E&F..."
As I noted in a followup. The US today report said there were 141
passengers onboard. SeatGuru says the plane has 142 seats.
Do you think there is a possibility that they didn't plan to sit
separately, but had to because they were unable to get seats together.
I think the person writing the note was the suspicious one.
No 33 Secretary
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>
>> The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
>>
>
> But, they could have.
>
Notice how, when the racists (and therefore, by definition, retards)
can't actually refute a point that demonstrates their racism (and
therefore, by definition, mental retardation), they change the
subject. Poorly.
No 33 Secretary
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> In rec.travel.air chef_boyhowdy!
> <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:57:48 -0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, profiling seems to be extremely effective in
>>>> combatting and preventing terrorist attacks.
>>>
>>> And it preventing innocent bystanders from excercising their
>>> constitutional right to travel.
>>
>>
>> what do you want? ultimate freedom for every person, regardless
>> of circumstances, or some sort of preventative security
>> measures being enforced when need be?
>>
>> the twain shall never meet.
>>
>> personally, i'm all in favor of ocassionally being
>> inconvenienced if the outcome is bad guys getting busted.
>>
> A wise man once said, "Those who give up their freedoms for
> security deserve neither freedom nor security."
>
> That wise man was Benjamin Franklin, 1st. U.S. Postmaster
> General.
>
> If you're that blind to the things that you miss, perhaps
> you
> should move to where profiling is done heavily. Then you will
> see what you so blindly miss.
>
And franky, if he's willing to formally give up his US citizenship,
I'll buy him a one way ticket to anywhere in the world.
A Guy Called Tyketto
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Youssef Islam flew. We all know just how much of a terrorist Cat
Stevens is, don't we...
BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto
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So Cassius Clay, Mike Tyson, and Kweisi Mfume (born Frizzel Grey,
former president of the NAACP), all of which are Black (African
American), all born in the US, must all be terrorists. Real smart
thinking, generalizing, and stereotyping. Real nice. I'll make a note
to myself to never be in a town near you in the West. You may mistake
me for "one o' them injuns" and shoot me.
BL.
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chef_boyhowdy!
> Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote in
> news:Z_GdnYjS670LBfnY...@comcast.com:
>
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
>>>
>>
>> But, they could have.
>>
> Notice how, when the racists (and therefore, by definition, retards)
> can't actually refute a point that demonstrates their racism (and
> therefore, by definition, mental retardation), they change the
> subject. Poorly.
In the last 4 years, how many bombings in the West, or their
interests abroad, were committed by anybody EXCEPT MOSLEMS?
Mike Hunt
> So Cassius Clay, Mike Tyson, and Kweisi Mfume (born Frizzel Grey,
> former president of the NAACP), all of which are Black (African
> American), all born in the US, must all be terrorists. Real smart
> thinking, generalizing, and stereotyping. Real nice. I'll make a note
> to myself to never be in a town near you in the West. You may mistake
> me for "one o' them injuns" and shoot me.
>
Heck, Lew Alcindor even became a pilot... though that was in a movie.
chef_boyhowdy!
I'll make a note
> to myself to never be in a town near you in the West.
its not just the west, its in your backyard too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/asia_pacific/2002/bali/default.stm
in case you forgot.
notice anything about the religion of the perps?
Mike Hunt
> keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing wrong.
chef_boyhowdy!
apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are praying to.
Mike Hunt
They were praying to God.
HiloHaole
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53057
to see a more indepth report of one of those guys.
"Gregory Morrow" <gregor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1164218812.9...@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
No 33 Secretary
news:rxw8rg27bflf$.1tgv6wln...@40tude.net:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:41:15 -0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
>
>> Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost> wrote in
>> news:Z_GdnYjS670LBfnY...@comcast.com:
>>
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> But, they could have.
>>>
>> Notice how, when the racists (and therefore, by definition,
>> retards) can't actually refute a point that demonstrates their
>> racism (and therefore, by definition, mental retardation), they
>> change the subject. Poorly.
>
>
>
> In the last 4 years,
Is it your claim that nothing that happened before four years ago
can _ever_ happen again?
Racist. Retard.
>
> keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong. I
> couldnt care less who they profile.
So long as it's now you. Racist. Retard.
> Maybe you've got a stick up
> your ass because they profile you.
>
I'm as white as you are, racist.
No 33 Secretary
It apparently is, if you're brown. According to racist-boy.
No 33 Secretary
news:98prcgdceul7$.fb6u06aro4v6$.d...@40tude.net:
You've just agreed that profiling is useless.
And you're too fucking stupid to know it.
chef_boyhowdy!
> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>>>
>>>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are praying to.
>
> They were praying to God.
they were praying to Allah.
the same god that certain Moslems invoke when they blow shit up, or steer
airliners into buildings.
When was the last time you heard of somebody blowing up an airplane in the
name of Thor? Shiva? Buddha? Zeus?
keep trying.
Mike Hunt
> Check out
>
> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53057
>
> to see a more indepth report of one of those guys.
Is that a bit like the Weekly World News?
How many Americans donated money to Sein Finn?
So, you believe these guys, including the blind guy, were planning to
take down the plane, and decided the best way to do this was by boarding
the plane unarmed, by praying, and loudly announce they were pro-Saddam
in English (yeah, like notewriter really heard that) ..... all while the
plane was still on the ground?
Mike Hunt
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:03:37 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>
>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are praying to.
>>
>>They were praying to God.
>
>
>
> they were praying to Allah.
Dumb shit, Allah is God. Muslims do not believe in a different God.
Of course, you might have a different god. A god that believes that it
is alright to discriminate against people for how they look.
No 33 Secretary
news:g2hwfmtp8thu.1k73z5lhggt1v$.d...@40tude.net:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:03:37 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing
>>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are
>>> praying to.
>>
>> They were praying to God.
>
>
> they were praying to Allah.
>
> the same god that certain Moslems invoke when they blow shit up,
> or steer airliners into buildings.
Some, but not all. Since some, but not all Christians also blow
shit up, you, personally, should be put in prison for every
abortion clinic bombing. Since some, but not all, white people are
criminals, you, personally, should be put in prison for every crime
ever committed by a white person.
Unless, of course, you're just a racist (and therefore, by
definition, retarded) hypocrite.
>
> When was the last time you heard of somebody blowing up an
> airplane in the name of Thor? Shiva? Buddha? Zeus?
>
Abortion clinic bombings. Thanks for admitting you're a racist (and
therefore, by definition, a retard).
A Guy Called Tyketto
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In rec.travel.air chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote:
You obviously *are* as ignorant as you sound.
I am American Indian. Since you are so used to being blissfully
unaware of any profiling going on, I am merely stating that you could
mistake me for one of the old Cowboy & Indian westerners and shoot me
on the spot, because my skin is darker than yours.
Maybe I should be like you. Hey! Your skin is lighter than
mine, and my people were here first! Get off my land.
BL.
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In rec.travel.air No 33 Secretary <terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
> news:98prcgdceul7$.fb6u06aro4v6$.d...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>>>
>>> Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing
>>> wrong.
>>
>>
>> apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are
>> praying to.
>>
> You've just agreed that profiling is useless.
>
> And you're too fucking stupid to know it.
>
Another wise saying comes to mind for you, Terry. It makes for
some great advice for you with dealing with this guy.
"Never argue with someone who is an idiot. They will drag you
down to their level, then beat you with experience."
-Dilbert
Words to live by.
BL.
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chef_boyhowdy!
IF IT KEEPS THE FUCKING PLANE IN THE AIR AND IT LANDS SAFELY IN ONE PIECE,
fucking A.
nice the way you snipped the rest of my post because you know its true and
you have no argument except "you're prejudiced". I couldnt give a flying
fuck who is prejudiced and who isnt. Profiling is warranted because the
same type people keep doing the same awful things.. they invoke the name of
Allah and then they blow shit up.
Mike Hunt
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:17:53 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>
>
>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:03:37 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are praying to.
>>>>
>>>>They were praying to God.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>they were praying to Allah.
>>
>>Dumb shit, Allah is God. Muslims do not believe in a different God.
>>
>>Of course, you might have a different god. A god that believes that it
>>is alright to discriminate against people for how they look.
>
>
>
> IF IT KEEPS THE FUCKING PLANE IN THE AIR AND IT LANDS SAFELY IN ONE PIECE,
> fucking A.
>
so, you would be in favor of banning anyone you don't like the looks of?
Mxsmanic
> El Al Israel Airlines and the the Israeli Airports Authority seem to
> disagree with you. They profile, and profile VERY aggressively - which
> is why they've had no "incidents" for quite a few years now...we here
> in the US should emulate them.
They have only a few dozen flights a day worldwide, and their methods
do not scale very well.
However, it is true that profiling is very effective for finding the
bad guys--much more so than across-the-board luggage searches.
Unfortunately, it can lead to some egregious mistakes, such as the
time El Al let an Orthodox Jew fly with a gun, because it never
bothered to check. (One could argue that the passenger actually had
no intention of doing anything bad and so the profiling still
worked--it didn't let a terrorist through--but it was still an
unsettling incident, especially for the passenger in question, who was
alarmed to discover that he had had a gun in his luggage and he had
managed to fly with it.)
--
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Mxsmanic
> No, actually, it's not.
>
> Profiling people of arabic descent would not have stopped Oklahoma
> City.
I didn't say anything about profiling people of Arabic descent. I
simply pointed out that profiling in general works very well.
Oklahoma City did not involve aircraft.
yar...@aol.com
No 33 Secretary wrote:
> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
> news:g2hwfmtp8thu.1k73z5lhggt1v$.d...@40tude.net:
>
> > On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:03:37 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
> >
> >> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing
> >>>>wrong.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are
> >>> praying to.
> >>
> >> They were praying to God.
> >
> >
> > they were praying to Allah.
> >
> > the same god that certain Moslems invoke when they blow shit up,
> > or steer airliners into buildings.
>
> Some, but not all. Since some, but not all Christians also blow
> shit up,
The question here is not if Christians or Muslims blow things up for
whatever reasons, but if it is fundamental to their beliefs to inflict
violence of this kind. For that, we must look at the fundamental nature
of each of the two religions and in that way discover the truth. Since
the early Christian church was persecuted for being pacifist and
refusing to join the army and did so on the basis of their
understanding of the sermon on the mound it is not possible to make the
claim that Christianity itself can be blamed for anyone calling himself
a Christian inflicting violence on others. The blame must be placed
squarely on the shoulders of the individuals in question to the
exclusion of the religion itself as they are going against the
fundmental beliefs of that group.
Now, if we look at the history of Islam and Muslims in particular, we
see quite a different thing. Their founder was a man of violence. Both
him and his followers have been known to take to the sword for
conquest, kidnapping and hostage taking. I know this for a fact...my
country was subject to this kind of treatment at the hands of the
Islamic Turkish sultans.
There is no history of pacifism within the Muslim world. So, from the
historical evidence, we can see who between the two can be considered
fundametally violent and who cannot.
sea...@hotmail.com
Starting this topic off by calling Muslims by the derrogatory term of
"ragheads" wasn't needed. And praying in an airport is not stupid, nor
is it reason to not be allowed on a flight. Many airports (including
ones in north america) have designated areas specifically designed to
allow people to pray. As I recall, Muslims have to pray multiple times
a day, so it is not unreasonable for them to pray in an airport. As
for saying the United States should not have been invovled in Saddam's
trial, freedom of speech. Which is guaranteed under your constitution.
And they should be be allowed to say what they want, as long as it
isn't threatening to someone else. And praying and saying the US
shouldn't have been involved with Saddam's trial is not threatening.
It is their consitutional right of freedom of speech.
Which leads to the next point. Freedom of religion. And freedom from
discrimination based on colour, race, gender or religion. The US
currently is not upholding their constitution with racial profiling.
It essentially discourages people from being Muslim and discriminates
against Muslims and Arabs.
As for Arabs being the main terrorists, perhaps in American eyes right
now, yes. But as recently as the 1990's (possibly 2000's, not sure
exact dates, definately 1990's) there were socialist terrorist acts in
Europe. Then there is/was the terrorism cause by Basque Seperatists in
Spain. And the Cheyenne Rebels in Russia. And the French Seperatists
in Quebec. And all the high school/university shootings (which are
acts of terrorism, perhaps not for an ideal such as Muslim extremists,
but still acts of terrorism none the less). I won't even get into
state sponsored terrorism. Point being, before you decide to act like
all Muslims are extremists and terrorists and deserve to be
discriminated against because "white people aren't terrorists", LEARN
about terrorism and what you are talking about. Because whites commit
terrorist acts as well.
As for the guy saying being racist is by definition to be retarded, you
clearly have no idea of the meaning of retarded. Is racism good? No.
Is it "retarded" and are racists "retarded"? No. If you are going to
argue a point, argue it well and don't just call people "retards". It
doesn't help your argument at all.
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Tchiowa
AES wrote:
> In article <1164186744.2...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tchiowa" <tchi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > It's probably very unfair to these guys. And they have every right to
> > be mad. But they need to understand that they should be mad at the
> > Islamic Terrorists who created the level of fear that exists and at
> > Islamic religious leaders who refuse to adamantly condemn terrorism and
> > a "man in the street" Muslims who cheered and celebrated after 9/11.
> > They are the ones who created among the average Joe in the US the
> > belief that Muslims should be viewed with suspicion.
>
> Every once in a while one actually sees an intelligent, sensible,
> reasoned viewpoint expressed on a Usenet newsgroup . . .
And those should be deleted immediately. ;-)
Lily
<<they need to understand that they should be mad at the Islamic
Terrorists who created the level of fear that exists and at Islamic
religious leaders who refuse to adamantly condemn terrorism and a "man
in the street" Muslims who cheered and celebrated after 9/11. They are
the ones who created among the average Joe in the US the belief that
Muslims should be viewed with suspicion.>>
This is exactly one of the (probably insoluable) problems.
If their religious and political leaders are afraid to condemn
atrocities, how can the non-fanatic Muslim in the street who would
rather just live his life than go through constant political fear and
foment be expected to express his opinion?
The Muslims are afraid of the Muslims. The number of extremists who are
willing to blow themselves up in order to destroy as many CIVILIANS as
possible is large enough to provoke fear of Muslims, and as a group,
making profiling seem a necessary defense tactic.
If your enemy is not afraid to die--if, in fact, he regards his death as
heroic--what are you going to offer him that's better than dying for his
cause?
Lily
Lily
>>
I do it all the time. And I'm an atheist.
Lily
Lily
<<Since the early Christian church was persecuted for being pacifist and
refusing to join the army and did so on the basis of their understanding
of the sermon on the mound it is not possible to make the claim that
Christianity itself can be blamed for anyone calling himself a Christian
inflicting violence on others. The blame must be placed squarely on the
shoulders of the individuals in question to the exclusion of the
religion itself as they are going against the fundmental beliefs of that
group.>>
Don't the words "Crusades" and "Inquisition" ring a bell?
Lily
zorba
What Can I Do to Make Your Flight More Uncomfortable?
by Ann Coulter
Posted Nov 22, 2006
Six imams removed from a US Airways flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix
are calling on Muslims to boycott the airline. If only we could get
Muslims to boycott all airlines, we could dispense with airport
security altogether.
Witnesses said the imams stood to do their evening prayers in the
terminal before boarding, chanting "Allah, Allah, Allah" --
coincidentally, the last words heard by hundreds of airline passengers
on 9/11 before they died.
Witnesses also said that the imams were talking about Saddam Hussein,
and denouncing America and the war in Iraq. About the only scary
preflight ritual the imams didn't perform was the signing of last wills
and testaments.
After boarding, the imams did not sit together and some asked for seat
belt extensions, although none were morbidly obese. Three of the men
had one-way tickets and no checked baggage.
Also they were Muslims.
The idea that a Muslim boycott against US Airways would hurt the
airline proves that Arabs are utterly tone-deaf. This is roughly the
equivalent of Cindy Sheehan taking a vow of silence. How can we hope to
deal with people with no sense of irony? The next thing you know, New
York City cab drivers will be threatening to bathe.
Come to think of it, the whole affair may have been a madcap
advertising scheme cooked up by US Airways.
It worked with me. US Airways is my official airline now. Northwest,
which eventually flew the Allah-spouting Muslims to their destinations,
is off my list. You want to really hurt a U.S. air carrier's business?
Have Muslims announce that it's their favorite airline.
The clerics had been attending an imam conference in Minneapolis (imam
conference slogan: "What Happens in Minneapolis -- Actually, Nothing
Happened in Minneapolis"). But instead of investigating the conference,
the government is now investigating my favorite airline.
What threat could Muslims flying from Minnesota to Arizona be?
Three of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 received their flight training in
Arizona. Long before the attacks, an FBI agent in Phoenix found it
curious that so many Arabs were enrolled in flight school. But the FBI
rebuffed his request for an investigation on the grounds that his
suspicions were based on the same invidious racial profiling that has
brought US Airways under investigation and into my good graces.
Lynne Stewart's client, the Blind Sheik, Omar Abdel-Rahman, is serving
life in prison in a maximum security lock-up in Minnesota. One of the
six imams removed from the US Airways plane was blind, so Lynne Stewart
was the one missing clue that would have sent all the passengers
screaming from the plane.
Wholly apart from the issue of terrorism, don't we have a seller's
market for new immigrants? How does a blind Muslim get to the top of
the visa list? Is there a shortage of blind, fanatical clerics in this
country that I haven't noticed? Couldn't we get some Burmese with
leprosy instead? A 4-year-old could do a better job choosing visa
applicants than the U.S. Department of Immigration.
One of the stunt-imams in US Airways' advertising scheme, Omar Shahin,
complained about being removed from the plane, saying: "Six scholars in
handcuffs. It's terrible."
Yes, especially when there was a whole conference of them! Six out of
150 is called "poor law enforcement." How did the other 144 "scholars"
get off so easy?
Shahin's own "scholarship" consisted of continuing to deny Muslims were
behind 9/11 nearly two months after the attacks. On Nov. 4, 2001, the
Arizona Republic cited Shahin's "skepticism that Muslims or bin Laden
carried out attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon." Shahin
complained that the government was "focusing on the Arabs, the Muslims.
And all the evidence shows that the Muslims are not involved in this
terrorist act."
In case your memory of that time is hazy, within three days of the
attack, the Justice Department had released the names of all 19
hijackers -- names like Majed Moqed, Ahmed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri,
Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi and Ahmed Alnami. The government had
excluded all but 19 passengers as possible hijackers based on extensive
interviews with friends and family of nearly every passenger on all
four flights. Some of the hijackers' seat numbers had been called in by
flight attendants on the planes.
By early October, bin Laden had produced a videotape claiming credit
for the attacks. And by Nov. 4, 2001, the New York Times had run well
over 100 articles on the connections between bin Laden and the
hijackers -- even more detailed and sinister than the Times' flowcharts
on neoconservatives!
Also, if I remember correctly, al Qaeda had taken out full-page ads in
Variety and the Hollywood Reporter thanking their agents for the
attacks.
But now, on the eve of the busiest travel day in America, these
"scholars" have ginned up America's PC victim machinery to intimidate
airlines and passengers from noticing six imams chanting "Allah" before
boarding a commercial jet.
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yar...@aol.com
Sure, but Stalin and Pol Pot ring a much louder one and they were
atheists. If you don't believe me, do your own body count.
>
> Lily
Lily
Lily wrote:
<<Don't the words "Crusades" and "Inquisition" ring a bell? >>
<< Sure, but Stalin and Pol Pot ring a much louder one and they
were atheists. If you don't believe me, do your own body count.>>
Apples and atheists. You were differentiating the religious
tradition/history between Islam and Christianity, not between tyrant and
despot. Their lack of religion has nothing to do with the comparison
you were making.
Lily
Mike Hunt
> After boarding, the imams did not sit together and some asked for seat
> belt extensions, although none were morbidly obese. Three of the men
> had one-way tickets and no checked baggage.
>
A bunch of non-facts and garbage.
Let's go with this statement. The flight was nearly full, so it doesn't
seem unlikely that not everyone could sit together. What is the big deal
about not having checked baggage? Funny they would mention one-way
tickets, since the men were RETURNING from an event, so obviously
traveled both ways. I have no doubt that some of the
witnesses were either confused or added some extra tidbits to make their
story sound more believable.
What about these facts.
1. They were questioned and released
2. NO WEAPONS of any kind were found on them or the plane
Terry Austin
news:fpj9m215u9cuqsdt2...@4ax.com:
> No 33 Secretary writes:
>
>> No, actually, it's not.
>>
>> Profiling people of arabic descent would not have stopped Oklahoma
>> City.
>
> I didn't say anything about profiling people of Arabic descent.
In fact, you were doing just that.
> I
> simply pointed out that profiling in general works very well.
And I was pointing out that you were full of shit, and a racist (and
therefore, by definition, a retard) asshole.
>
> Oklahoma City did not involve aircraft.
>
So now you care only about terrorism that involves aircraft? Do you really
think you'll be somehow less dead if you're killed with a ton of
fertilizer? Yeah, you probably do. At least then, you'd have been killed by
a *white* terrorist, eh?
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> No 33 Secretary writes:
>>
>> > No, actually, it's not.
>> >
>> > Profiling people of arabic descent would not have stopped Oklahoma
>> > City.
>>
>> I didn't say anything about profiling people of Arabic descent. I
>> simply pointed out that profiling in general works very well.
>>
>> Oklahoma City did not involve aircraft.
>>
>> --
>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
>
> Starting this topic off by calling Muslims by the derrogatory term of
> "ragheads" wasn't needed.
Oh, but it was. Because the goal here isn't to inform, or educate. It's
to incite racial hatred.
>
> As for the guy saying being racist is by definition to be retarded, you
> clearly have no idea of the meaning of retarded.
You need to keep closer track. That's me, not him. And anybody who
believed that race makes any difference cannot possibly have a normal
intelligence.
>Is racism good? No.
> Is it "retarded" and are racists "retarded"? No. If you are going to
> argue a point, argue it well and don't just call people "retards". It
> doesn't help your argument at all.
I'm not arguing. Neither are the racist retards. They're not *capable* of
formign a rational argument, or even one that can pass the laugh test.
And I won't dignify their retarded drivel by arguing with it. If it isn't
*obviously* retarded bullshit, then you're as retarded as they are.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> No 33 Secretary wrote:
>> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
>> news:g2hwfmtp8thu.1k73z5lhggt1v$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>> > On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:03:37 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>> >
>> >> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing
>> >>>>wrong.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are
>> >>> praying to.
>> >>
>> >> They were praying to God.
>> >
>> >
>> > they were praying to Allah.
>> >
>> > the same god that certain Moslems invoke when they blow shit up,
>> > or steer airliners into buildings.
>>
>> Some, but not all. Since some, but not all Christians also blow
>> shit up,
>
> The question here is not if Christians or Muslims blow things up for
> whatever reasons, but if it is fundamental to their beliefs to inflict
> violence of this kind.
Er, no. The question here is if people who pray in airports blow shit up.
It's a question that only a retard could possibly ask, and only a retard
could possibly think worth answering.
And you're trying to protect 'tard-boy by changing the subject.
Why is that?
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
news:MA19h.2682$yf7...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
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> In rec.travel.air No 33 Secretary <terry.nota...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
>> news:98prcgdceul7$.fb6u06aro4v6$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:59:45 -0800, Mike Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing
>>>> wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> apparently, depends on who is praying, or even who they are
>>> praying to.
>>>
>> You've just agreed that profiling is useless.
>>
>> And you're too fucking stupid to know it.
>>
>
> Another wise saying comes to mind for you, Terry. It makes for
> some great advice for you with dealing with this guy.
>
> "Never argue with someone who is an idiot. They will drag you
> down to their level, then beat you with experience."
> -Dilbert
Yes, indeed. But you make some assumptions about my goals that are
unsupported. I've already won.
>
> Words to live by.
Indeed.
--
Terry Austin
Tchiowa
Mxsmanic wrote:
> No 33 Secretary writes:
>
> > No, actually, it's not.
> >
> > Profiling people of arabic descent would not have stopped Oklahoma
> > City.
>
> I didn't say anything about profiling people of Arabic descent. I
> simply pointed out that profiling in general works very well.
>
> Oklahoma City did not involve aircraft.
1/2 of 1% of large scale terrorists acts are *not* committed by Muslims
in these days. Citing a rare exception is kind of silly, don't you
think.
Mxsmanic
> 1/2 of 1% of large scale terrorists acts are *not* committed by Muslims
> in these days.
Where did you obtain this statistic?
Tchiowa
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Tchiowa writes:
>
> > 1/2 of 1% of large scale terrorists acts are *not* committed by Muslims
> > in these days.
>
> Where did you obtain this statistic?
>From being alive the past decade. Perhaps you can name a large scale
terrorist act in the last 5 years that was *not* commited by a Muslim.
Mike Hunt
> So now you care only about terrorism that involves aircraft? Do you really
> think you'll be somehow less dead if you're killed with a ton of
> fertilizer?
Nah, he only cares about terrorists that are of a different religion
No 33 Secretary
news:gpGdnVCi3utaEfvY...@comcast.com:
No, he only cares about *people* that are of a different religion.
Wether or not they are terrorists is irrelevant to him.
No 33 Secretary
news:f30dm2dt3as230loa...@4ax.com:
> Tchiowa writes:
>
>> 1/2 of 1% of large scale terrorists acts are *not* committed by
>> Muslims in these days.
>
> Where did you obtain this statistic?
>
From the monkeys that fly out of his ass.
I have, however, seen quite a bit of coverage on how the newsies
won't cover any kind of terrorism other than that committed by
muslims.
Hatunen
<terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
>chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
>news:1gqpevhyu2jnj.12xep52f39gq8$.d...@40tude.net:
>
>> now show me all the incidents where terrorist attacks in the
>> last 12 months were committed by blonde blue eyed swedish
>> airlines stewardesses.
>>
>So only terrorist incidents from the last 12 months apply? Only a
>racist (and therefore, by definition, retard) could possibly think
>so.
We wouldn't want to have to include Timothy McVey or the
Unabomber.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Hatunen
<postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>
>> The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
>>
>
>But, they could have.
I'm sure that all that ammonium nitrate would have exceeded their
baggage allowance.
No 33 Secretary
news:l98em25kasb2ho7cs...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:39:54 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>chef_boyhowdy! <attila_t...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
>>news:1gqpevhyu2jnj.12xep52f39gq8$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>
>>> now show me all the incidents where terrorist attacks in the
>>> last 12 months were committed by blonde blue eyed swedish
>>> airlines stewardesses.
>>>
>>So only terrorist incidents from the last 12 months apply? Only
>>a racist (and therefore, by definition, retard) could possibly
>>think so.
>
> We wouldn't want to have to include Timothy McVey or the
> Unabomber.
>
Or any of a number of abortion clinic bombers. Oh, no, we wouldn't
want to have to include *those*.
No 33 Secretary
news:md8em21vbtadad2ek...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:36:05 -0800, Mike Hunt
> <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The OKC terrorist bums drove, they didn't fly :-)
>>>
>>
>>But, they could have.
>
> I'm sure that all that ammonium nitrate would have exceeded their
> baggage allowance.
>
So we'd better ban UPS, too.
Sarah Czepiel
wrote:
:>chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
:>
:>
:>> keep profiling. I have nothing to hide and do nothing wrong.
:>
:>Praying on an airplane isn't something to hide and is nothing wrong.
Neither was carrying a pocket knife and dozens of other items wasn't
wrong until 9/11/01. Moslem terrorists changed that for us all.
As is the case with most laws and rulings [ "Caution: Don't stick your
fingers into the fan blades! " ] the majority are forced to do
things because of the minority. If Moslems or anyone else has a
problem with profiling, or being given additional/increased scrunity
by the authorities and by their fellow passangers, they have only to
blame a group of fellow Moslems who on 9/11 forced that situation upon
us. I don't want to hear their whining.
Mike Hunt
If Moslems or anyone else has a
> problem with profiling, or being given additional/increased scrunity
> by the authorities and by their fellow passangers, they have only to
> blame a group of fellow Moslems who on 9/11 forced that situation upon
> us. I don't want to hear their whining.
Oh yeah, so it's THEIR fault because a few of the over 1 BILLION Moslems
decided to hijack US planes. Perhaps you think they all of the American
ones belong in places like Manzanar.
Brian
wrote:
>Oh yeah, so it's THEIR fault because a few of the over 1 BILLION Moslems
>decided to hijack US planes. Perhaps you think they all of the American
>ones belong in places like Manzanar.
The rest of us have to follow many more rules and endure a lot more
hassle. why should they be exempt? If I were in a group that suddenly
stood up and caused a commotion, I'd expect some unwanted attention.
Brian
<terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I have, however, seen quite a bit of coverage on how the newsies
>won't cover any kind of terrorism other than that committed by
>muslims.
Other than in Sri Lanka, where has there been major terrorism not
involving Muslims in the last 5 years?
No 33 Secretary
news:vhoem2p8p8jhnv1lq...@4ax.com:
There have been a number of arrests in the UK in the last six
months, of home grown terrorists not motivated by islamic religion.
Various forms of anti-abortion terrorism has been ongoing in the US
for at least two decades. You won't find any mention of either in
the mainstream news for the last five years, though.
No 33 Secretary
news:sboem2legljsrd93k...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:53:01 -0800, Mike Hunt
> <postmaster@localhost> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh yeah, so it's THEIR fault because a few of the over 1 BILLION
>>Moslems decided to hijack US planes. Perhaps you think they all
>>of the American ones belong in places like Manzanar.
>
> The rest of us have to follow many more rules and endure a lot
> more hassle. why should they be exempt?
Different rules and hassles, targeted not on their likelyhood of
being terrorists, but based on the religious hatred of those doing
the targeting.
> If I were in a group
> that suddenly stood up and caused a commotion, I'd expect some
> unwanted attention.
>
Then you _must_ agree that you, personally, should be shipped off
to a labor camp immediately, because there *is* some group of
criminals that you can be grouped with. If you do not immediately
agree then you're just a racist (and, by definition, retarded)
asshole.
Sarah Czepiel
wrote:
:>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
:> If Moslems or anyone else has a
:>> problem with profiling, or being given additional/increased scrunity
:>> by the authorities and by their fellow passangers, they have only to
:>> blame a group of fellow Moslems who on 9/11 forced that situation upon
:>> us. I don't want to hear their whining.
:>
:>Oh yeah, so it's THEIR fault because a few of the over 1 BILLION Moslems
:>decided to hijack US planes.
Nope, it's not their fault but they, like the rest of us, have to live
with the consequences and those consequences are delays, increased
scrunity at airports, and huge inconvenience on what we can and cannot
take on airplanes. It is time THEY show they understand why it is
being done.
:>Perhaps you think they all of the American
:>ones belong in places like Manzanar.
Good heavens but you write awkwardly. Is english your native
language?
Mike Hunt
No, it isn't, but I suppose the even native speakers sometimes have a
typo. Are you sure you didn't understand the intent?
I will make it clearer for you.
Perhaps you think that all of the American ones (Moslems) belong in
places like Manzanar.
trippy
took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > No 33 Secretary wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Any "security measure" that affects more innocents than criminals
> >>is counterproductive. It is part of the problem. *You* are part of
> >>the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > El Al Israel Airlines and the the Israeli Airports Authority seem to
> > disagree with you. They profile, and profile VERY aggressively - which
> > is why they've had no "incidents" for quite a few years now...we here
> > in the US should emulate them.
> >
>
> How many incidents has the US had in the past 5 years?
>
And the vast majority have been due to Americans.
--
trippy
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
NP: "Aces High" -- Iron Maiden
"Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine,
but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife,
and a smile."
-- Robert Redford "Spy Game"
yar...@aol.com
Actually, they probably took a dump on a fairly regular basis. So,
maybe the question is if people who take a shit blow things up. I bet
that they all had that in common. This argument about toilet habits of
the terrorists have exactly as much to do with the discussion at hand
as your response did.And you have the gall of accusing ME of changing
the subject?
Until you establish a direct link between prayer and terrorism(which
you have not done yet), you are just blowing smoke.
>
> Terry Austin
Brian
<terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There have been a number of arrests in the UK in the last six
>months, of home grown terrorists not motivated by islamic religion.
>Various forms of anti-abortion terrorism has been ongoing in the US
>for at least two decades. You won't find any mention of either in
>the mainstream news for the last five years, though.
Did you miss the "major" part of my post and the 5 year tine frame?
And no I don't remember dozens, hundreds or thousands being killed by
those opposed to abortion. Perhaps the press has covered it up?
Sarah Czepiel
wrote:
:>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
:>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:53:01 -0800, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost>
:>> wrote:
:>>
:>> :>Sarah Czepiel wrote:
:>> :> If Moslems or anyone else has a
:>> :>> problem with profiling, or being given additional/increased scrunity
:>> :>> by the authorities and by their fellow passangers, they have only to
:>> :>> blame a group of fellow Moslems who on 9/11 forced that situation upon
:>> :>> us. I don't want to hear their whining.
:>> :>
:>> :>Oh yeah, so it's THEIR fault because a few of the over 1 BILLION Moslems
:>> :>decided to hijack US planes.
:>>
:>> Nope, it's not their fault but they, like the rest of us, have to live
:>> with the consequences and those consequences are delays, increased
:>> scrunity at airports, and huge inconvenience on what we can and cannot
:>> take on airplanes. It is time THEY show they understand why it is
:>> being done.
:>>
:>> :>Perhaps you think they all of the American
:>> :>ones belong in places like Manzanar.
:>>
:>> Good heavens but you write awkwardly. Is english your native
:>> language?
:>
:>No, it isn't, but I suppose the even native speakers sometimes have a
:>typo.
No, it wasn't a typo, Mike.
:>Are you sure you didn't understand the intent?
I understood you made a silly assumption. Was that what you were
going for?
:>I will make it clearer for you.
:>Perhaps you think that all of the American ones (Moslems) belong in
:>places like Manzanar.
Why would you make such a comment?
Sarah Czepiel
<z23456789...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
:>On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:49:23 -0500, Sarah Czepiel <nine...@cox.net>
:>wrote:
:>
:>>On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:53:01 -0800, Mike Hunt <postmaster@localhost>
:>
:>Hunt must have typed to quickly.
:>
:>I will translate his statement:
:>
:>"Perhaps you think that all of the Muslim- Americans
:> belong in places like Manzanar."
:>
:>
:>You were probably too dumb to figure it out.
:>You probably don't even know the significance of Manzanar.
You probably sit with your face up your arse making stupid assumptions
about others on usenet.
:>Here's something to mull over.
:>
:>Every passenger on the plane went through TSA security.
:>
:>If any passengers are so freaken nervous riding on a plane with some
:>other passenger they should throw the passengers who are complaining
:>off the plane if they don't want to fly.
Yes, we don't want to inconvenience the moslems, do we? How about
when they try and light a fire in the aisle and roast a goat on a
spit?
Ever spend time in the Middle East?
Sarah Czepiel
<z23456789...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
:>On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:02:26 -0500, Sarah Czepiel <nine...@cox.net>
:>wrote:
:>
:>>On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:57:15 GMT, John
:>
:>So, you know that the Moslems on that flight were trying to light a
:>fire in the aisle and roast a goat?
:>
:>What the fuck are you smoking?
We don't have any idea what they're going to do when they start
chanting. They could be preparing for Jihad. There is a time and a
place for everything and being in a closed airplane trapped with
dozens of other people is not the time and place for chanting prayers.
It's time the Moslems show tolerance for everyone else. They insist
we tolerate ALL of their customs and we are forbidden to practice any
religion but Isman when in their country.
No one is going to tolerate Moslem jabbering on airplanes any more
than if 12 Pentacostal's started talking in tongues on a airplane.
It's disruptive and it makes people uncomfortable when they're
trapped and forced to endure it in an enclosed environment.
And I'd bet money if you'd been on that plane you'd have felt
uncomfortable given the situation. It's easy to criticize when you
sit safely behind a computer monitor.
There is a reason why I asked you the following question. I see you
chose to give no answer.
:>>Ever spend time in the Middle East?
Terry Austin
news:tmkhm2pvoaqfa9bpb...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:45:44 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>There have been a number of arrests in the UK in the last six
>>months, of home grown terrorists not motivated by islamic religion.
>>Various forms of anti-abortion terrorism has been ongoing in the US
>>for at least two decades. You won't find any mention of either in
>>the mainstream news for the last five years, though.
>
> Did you miss the "major" part of my post and the 5 year tine frame?
Bomb threats are pretty major, especially when the arestee has the
materials.
>
> And no I don't remember dozens, hundreds or thousands being killed by
> those opposed to abortion. Perhaps the press has covered it up?
>
Thanks for admitting I'm right, and you've known it all along.
--
Terry Austin
Terry Austin
news:a8ogm2t0rhfcejtfb...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:47:25 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <terry.nota...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Different rules and hassles, targeted not on their likelyhood of
>>being terrorists, but based on the religious hatred of those doing
>>the targeting.
> Just exactly what religion is a bomb ?
QED. Racist retard.
--
Terry Austin