When You Wish Upon A Star...
Bambi
Current Mood: AWAKE, The World Without Black People
A very humorous and revealing story is told about a group of white
people who were fed up with African Americans, so they joined together
and wished themselves away.
They passed through a deep dark tunnel and emerged in sort of a
twilight zone where there is an America without black people.
At first these white people breathed a sigh of relief.
At last, they said, No more crime, drugs, violence and welfare.
All of the blacks have gone! Then suddenly, reality set in. The "NEW
AMERICA" is not America at all-only a barren land.
There are very few crops that have flourished because
the nation was built on a slave-supported system.
There are no cities with tall skyscrapers because Alexander Mils, a
black man, invented the elevator, and without it, one finds great
difficulty reaching higher floors.
There are few if any cars because Richard Spikes, a black man, invented
the automatic gearshift, Joseph Gambol, also black, invented the Super
Charge System for Internal Combustion Engines, and Garrett A. Morgan, a
black man, invented the traffic signals.
Furthermore, one could not use the rapid transit system because its
procurer was the electric trolley, which was invented by another black
man, Albert R. Robinson.
Even if there were streets on which cars and a rapid transit system
could operate, they were cluttered with paper because an African
American, Charles Brooks, invented the street sweeper.
There were few if any newspapers, magazines and books because John Love
invented the pencil sharpener, William Purveys invented the fountain
pen, and Lee Barrage invented the Type Writing Machine and W. A. Love
invented the Advanced Printing Press. They were all, you guessed it,
Black.
Even if Americans could write their letters, articles and books, they
would not have been transported by mail because William Barry invented
the Postmarking and Canceling Machine, William Purveys invented the
Hand Stamp and Philip Downing invented the Letter Drop.
The lawns were brown and wilted because Joseph Smith invented the Lawn
Sprinkler and John Burr the Lawn Mower.
When they entered their homes, they found them to be poorly ventilated
and poorly heated. You see, Frederick Jones invented the Air
Conditioner and Alice Parker the Heating Furnace.
Their homes were also dim. But of course, Lewis Lattimer later invented
the Electric Lamp, Michael Harvey invented the lantern and Granville T.
Woods invented the Automatic Cut off Switch.
Their homes were also filthy because Thomas W. Steward invented the Mop
& Lloyd P. Ray the Dust Pan.
Their children met them at the door-barefooted, shabby, motley and
unkempt. But what could one expect? Jan E. Matzelinger invented the
Shoe Lasting Machine, Walter Sammons invented the Comb, Sarah Boone
invented the Ironing Board and George T. Samon invented the Clothes
Dryer.
Finally, they were resigned to at least have dinner amidst all of this
turmoil. But here again, the food had spoiled because another Black
Man, John Standard invented the refrigerator.
Now, isn't that something? What would this country be like without the
contributions of Blacks, as African-Americans?
Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "By the time we leave for work, Americans
have depended on the inventions from the minds of Blacks."
*BLACK HISTORY INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST SLAVERY, FREDERICK DOUGLASS,
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR., MALCOLM X, MARCUS GARVEY, & W.E.B. DUBOIS.
millia
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
>
> Totally ridiculous presumptions. If there were no black slaves, there
> would have been white slaves. If there were no slaves, people would
> have worked their own land and/or paid others to help them. When you
> remove an element, it does not create an irrevocable void. It gets
> filled. It ignorance and stupidity to think it wouldn't be.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
Maybe you'd better hug your cat, then, because you are clearly a
kneejerk racist, too stupid to crack a book and realize that those are
facts, not "presumptions".
And quit trying to imitate the syntax and grammar of the rabid radio
talk show hosts who, apparently are your sole source of
information...except for you Klan meetings.
But then, most kneejerk racists are ignorant people who think that they
are smart. They think that they are smart because they surround
themselves with...pets...and their meth-head, roadkill eating
relatives.
Must be all that inbreeding.
J M
news:1163563948....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Wahhh!!!!!!!!!!! Wahhh!!!!!!!!
STFU.
stickyw
> have depended on the inventions from the minds of Blacks."
Sure, and being as nice as they were, they let the white man take all
the credit for it.
Wow, do blacks really believe their own delusions? When you wish upon
a star, indeed!
In every book that I've read about great inventors/inventions (and I
read many as I'm an avid fan of the subject), I've found NOT ONE SINGLE
invention that has been invented by a black person. Not before, during,
or after slavery. Every other race and nationality has invented
something (Europeans, Chinese, Indians, Arabians, etc) ... never an
African or slave. Amazing, ain't it!
Paragoric_Kid
> Sent to me today from a friend. Enjoy...!
>
> Current Mood: AWAKE, The World Without Black People
>
>
(snip of racist bullshit that only proves one thing:
some blacks are every bit the racist haters they accuse whites of being)
Razzle Bathbone
Top posting because I want to. Tell your friend to read the following
link.
http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/blackinv.asp
While some of the things you say are true not all of them are.
Razzle--------HTH
On 14 Nov 2006 16:38:54 -0800, "Bambi" <AmberSe...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
chef_boyhowdy!
> Razzle Bathbone <Razzleb...@hotmail.comeonup> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
>>
>> Top posting because I want to. Tell your friend to read the
>> following link.
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/blackinv.asp
>>
>>
>> While some of the things you say are true not all of them are.
>>
>> Razzle--------HTH
>
> Improvements on existing inventions would have been made eventually by
> anyone. Look at the history of invention from the Bell phone until
> today (In fact, I don't even think Bell actually invented the
> telephone. It was one of those "someone in every country" came up with
> something similar all around the same time.) Each step is any
> improvement spurred by necessity. It would have happened eventually.
By the 16th century, Europeans had charted the heavens, built the Notre
Dame, circumnavigated the globe, and produced cannon firing warships. The
black african tribes the Euro slave traders preyed on, many were still
living in the neolithic age and hadnt even mastered fire. Is it any wonder
they were so easily dominated and forced into terrible lives of servitude?
theres your contrast in inventions, part one, history lesson.
millia
J M wrote:
> >
>
> Wahhh!!!!!!!!!!! Wahhh!!!!!!!!
>
> STFU.
Yep, it's the inbreeding.
millia
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> J M <getm...@here.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> > "millia" <dth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1163563948....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> >>>
>>
> like voids.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
You wouldn't be here, idiot. Now THAT, wouldn't be any void that I'd
regret.
millia
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Razzle Bathbone <Razzleb...@hotmail.comeonup> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > following link.
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/blackinv.asp
> >
> >
> > While some of the things you say are true not all of them are.
> >
> > Razzle--------HTH
>
> anyone. Look at the history of invention from the Bell phone until
> today (In fact, I don't even think Bell actually invented the
> telephone. It was one of those "someone in every country" came up with
> something similar all around the same time.) Each step is any
> improvement spurred by necessity. It would have happened eventually.
>
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.
What's your degree in, "Hooked on Phonics?"
millia
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
>> So, you can't compete in a discussion with the grown-ups. At least we
> now know your opinions are invalid.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
Talk-radio idiots lost their grown up conversation skills a long time
ago. Your fake intellectual discussion (or what you think passes for
debate) doesn't work. You don't control the mike here, kid, so get
ready for someone to challenge your racist nonsense.
millia
What school system were you in? KKK prep?
Lily
link.
http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/blackinv.asp
While some of the things you say are true not all of them are.>>
Thank you SO much, Razz. Immediately after reading that post I went
straight to Snopes--but I couldn't find it. I never thought to look
under "business." It drove me crazy because it sounded so similar to
other internet Snopsian items, so I thought perhaps it was a new one.
Obviously it isn't new at all.
The most educational aspect of Snopes is their advice to the gullible to
apply reason and common sense to the story being told. Even us smart
people sometimes don't stop, think things through, and say, "Hey, wait a
minute!"
Thanks again for performing a valuable public service, and I hope those
who check it out on Snopes will read the conclusions of the article to
understand the insidiousness of this kind of confabulating.
Lily
Kris Baker
"Lily" <Lil...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23117-455...@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net...
> <<Top posting because I want to. Tell your friend to read the following
> link.
> http://www.snopes.com/business/origins/blackinv.asp
>
> While some of the things you say are true not all of them are.>>
>
>
> who check it out on Snopes will read the conclusions of the article to
> understand the insidiousness of this kind of confabulating.
>
> Lily
....insidious to *all* sides, because the OP ends up looking gullible.
The best advice, when these things come in your email, is to go
down to the bottom and find the part that says "forward this to
everyone you know". Then delete it.
Kris
Razzle Bathbone
You're welcome.
Razzle----------------
millia
All of you assholes stop with the racist sour grapes. It makes for
nasty whine.
millia
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> millia <dth...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > All of you assholes stop with the racist sour grapes. It makes for
> > nasty whine.
> >
> >
>
> truth. You were all ready to tout how great you are based on great
> black people you aren't even related to who lived a century ago.
> That's what's pathetic in this whole debate. You might as well put a
> gun in you mouth. You're probably worth more dead than alive if all
> that drug use hasn't damaged your organs.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
Give it up. Your debate has descended to childish derivation. Seek
help. Or don't. You're almost extinct, anyway.
Brandy Alexandre
> Give it up. Your debate has descended to childish derivation. Seek
> help. Or don't. You're almost extinct, anyway.
After you, my dear. Only after you. Looks like you can dish it out
but you can't take it. Typical.
--
Brandy Alexandre
stickyw
millia wrote:
>
> too stupid to crack a book and realize that those are
> facts, not "presumptions".
Nigger Post of the Week
Sojourner Truth
> Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> >
> > Totally ridiculous presumptions. If there were no black slaves, there
> > would have been white slaves.
Best believe that "they tried" to use white slaves but it didn't work.
Do you EVER read anything substantial? If you "had read" something of
substance yuo would already know this without my having to tell you.
I'm NOT a racist and I vehemently resent your labeling. You don't
know me. You don't know what I've gone through...where I've
been. You don't know how I got to where I am today. You know
NOTHING about me. I swear to GOD, if this computer wasn't in between
you and I....I SWEAR ....fifty burley men couldn't get me off of
YOU!!
But you don't know ME, just like I don't know YOU. So, I could
also call you a bunch of names also: like, insensitive, self-absorbed,
idolatry idiot, conceited, egotistical, spiritless, inhumane, numb,
cruel, tackles and uncaring AND unsympathetic.
Hopefully, you are also thick-skinned. Because I will NOT let you call
me such a utterly vile and despicable name and get away with it. I
WON'T!!!! Let me educate you moron. I know how devoted most
Americans are to their stupidity. I realize I'm wasting my time
since you have eyes but do not see and you have ears but do not hear.
So, I realize that most of this will just go in one insane ear and out
the other. But I'll proceed anyway!
I don't use ANY labels to define myself. Labels are for idiots like
you. Labels fit idiots like YOU. Labels are designed to suppress and
subjugate idiots like you. Your idiotic, senseless words do not define
ME and you never, ever will.
I am a freedom-fighter. I am an activist for civil rights. There is
not a single thing wrong with wanting to help your own kind. There is
nothing wrong with wanting freedom, justice and equality for your own
kind.
It is entirely NATURAL for man to want to be equal to man. It is
NATURAL, again for man to love the Brotherhood of Man.
Further, it is NATURAL for man to love FREEDOM for himself, for Freedom
is essential to life, and to love JUSTICE for himself,, for without
Justice there is no joy in freedom and equality.
Now, can YOU SAY that African Americans are enjoying freedom, justice
and equality?
I say NO. We are NOT. We are suffering each and every day. I say
that the majority of regular (which is what I am!) African Americans
are suffering. How?
The city of Chicago in the state of Illinois is the THIRD most
segregated CITY in the Nation. Did you know that? These zoning laws
which are compiled and administered are not done by ME. This evil is
condoned by racists.
Have you ever heard of FOOD DESERTS? This exists today in the city of
Chicago,, IL. What are food deserts? Well, in the Austin neighborhood
which is located in the poorest section of the city (west side!) there
are no major food chains available to the residents. Since most
individuals have very limited transportation outside of public
transportation residents must travel very long miles in order to obtain
food. These residents are the city's poorest yet they are forced to
"pay the highest" for their food.
However, in the Lakeview neighborhood which is one of the city's
richest neighborhoods they have an abundance of Jewels, Dominick's,
etc. for their residents so these residents are not forced to pay the
over-priced\higher prices at their neighborhood grocery stores. This
is RACIST.
The average median income for these African American residents is 18K.
These people are under-educated, under-paid and living in deplorable
conditions yet paying the HIGHEST prices for their food. Without
adequate transportation to reach a major food chain you are not going
to starve. You will eat what is there in the neighborhood. So, that
is what the majority of the residents must do since they have NO
choice.
The result is an over-abundance of diabetes, high blood pressure and
multiple other illnesses because the food is not of the best quality
and it is too expensive to boot! That is racist!
As uneducated as the founding fathers of America were they didn't
say, "Give me Freedom or give The Fiddle" or, whatever music was in
vogue during this era. No! They at least had the common sense to say:
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!"
Most African Americans in this country are merely surviving for another
day of oppression. Did you know that? Do you care? Do you know what
my friends and I call this? We have a name for this. We call it
"24-Hour Economic Survival". How would you like to live like that?
How about you trade places (yea, like Trading Spouses) with us for a
week or two and then I want to know how much you enjoy this meager,
so-called life!
So don't come on this board and call ME names buddie because I will
mow your foolish ignorant, selfish, ass down like a high-speed
locomotive train each AND every TIME!!!
Those that can make people believe absurdities,
can also make people commit atrocities!
Courtney
> As uneducated as the founding fathers of America were they didn't
> say, "Give me Freedom or give The Fiddle" or, whatever music was in
> vogue during this era. No! They at least had the common sense to say:
> "Give Me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!"
>
Well said!
>
>
>
> Those that can make people believe absurdities,
> can also make people commit atrocities!
Absolutely. No doubt... No doubt!
Hey, ST, I thought you said you were not coming to Chicago for
Thanksgiving? I didn't leave for Rochester, NY until very late
Wednesday evening; but, if I knew you were definitely coming I would
have stayed on so we could hook up. I was really looking forward to
meeting up you! (Sorry to do this on-line but I sent you an e-mail
yesterday and I didn't get a response.)
If you are still here, please drop me an e-mail to the alternate
address I gave you.
Thanks!
Bambi
> Sojourner Truth wrote:
>
> > No! They at least had the common sense to say:
> > "Give Me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!"
> >
> Well said!
>
I really didn't know how to respond to that nonsense. How do you
dispute inventions and scientists/engineers. It was too stupid for me
to bother with. But, she handled it perfectly with MORE FACTS. I love
it!
How can you argue with someone over TRUTH? Oh, I know, sic Sister
Truth on 'em. That will do it. Her skills are truly admirable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Those that can make people believe absurdities,
> > can also make people commit atrocities!
>
> Absolutely. No doubt... No doubt!
>
> Hey, ST, I thought you said you were not coming to Chicago for
> Thanksgiving? I didn't leave for Rochester, NY until very late
>
I thought the same thing when I read that. I remember she told us
during that teleconference that she only goes from A to Z on Chicago
when she's within its very walls...
Yet I still didn't really connect the dots until I saw your post...
Sojourner Truth
> Courtney wrote:
> How can you argue with someone over TRUTH? Oh, I know, sic Sister
> Truth on 'em. That will do it. Her skills are truly admirable.
>
Why thank you Ladies! As we all discussed prior, America ain't ready
for us! Too bad. We're here and we are NOT going anywhere!
> I thought the same thing when I read that. I remember she told us
> during that teleconference that she only goes from A to Z on Chicago
> when she's within its very walls...
>
No you were correct. I had not originally planned on coming to Chicago
for Thanksgiving but as luck would have it my conscience got the better
of me. My mama laid such an enormous guilt trip on me that in the end,
I relented, and went home. You know how Black folk are w/their mamas
girl...when mama calls, you come running whether you really wanted to
or not is irrelevant, right? ;-) .
I detest going to Chicago, I really truly do. Don't get me wrong, it
is and probably always will be a very lovely and magnificent city. I
don't think there is a city in the entire world as rich in culture
and beauty as my Hometown. The lakefront alone which blankets the city
from the far south-side to the far north-side is spectacular on its
own! But the mentality (the facts I laid out prior) of the city is
nasty, cruel. This city literally strangled my daddy to death.
Literally! Whenever I come home it just reminds me of that and this is
so very painful that I avoid Chicago like a nasty plague. If it
wasn't for my mama and little sister I would never set foot on her
grounds ever again.
So my apologies Court but I wasn't here long. I caught the next
thing smoking ASAP...best believe that! I guess somewhere in the back
of my head there exists a sad realization that if it could kill my
strong vibrant daddy it could kill me too. When I left for college
almost a decade ago to attend UCLA I immediately saw how different the
rest of America was compared to the mid-west areas. Afterwards, I
didn't want to look back.
I'll call you later tonight. (I have your new e-mail address but it
is in my laptop which is at home and I didn't want to leave my girl
hanging)... Love ya'll...
Later!
Lily
<<Sojourner Truth wrote:
As uneducated as the founding fathers of America were they didn't say,
"Give me Freedom or give The Fiddle" or, whatever music was in vogue
during this era. No! They at least had the common sense to say:
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!">>
<<Well said! >>
Except for the part where she said the founding fathers were uneducated,
and they said "Give me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!"
Was this a joke?
Lily
Bambi
> >
> No you were correct. I had not originally planned on coming to Chicago
> for Thanksgiving but as luck would have it my conscience got the better
> of me. My mama laid such an enormous guilt trip on me that in the end,
> I relented, and went home. You know how Black folk are w/their mamas
> girl...when mama calls, you come running whether you really wanted to
> or not is irrelevant, right? ;-) .
>
Very true! I was locked out of my server yesterday so I just read your
response today.
> I detest going to Chicago, I really truly do. Don't get me wrong, it
> is and probably always will be a very lovely and magnificent city. I
> don't think there is a city in the entire world as rich in culture
> and beauty as my Hometown. The lakefront alone which blankets the city
I am so sorry that coming home is so completely heart-wrenching for
you. No one should feel that way about their grassroots. I felt sad
when I read this and I was moved when you shared your story with me a
few weeks back. I have a suggestion which I hope you will take. Why
not share your story with everyone? It might help someone to better
understand all this. I am not saying that it will (b/c we know only
God can change a heart!) but maybe it will shed some much needed light.
Goodness knows this is greatly needed.
Please just consider this.
> I'll call you later tonight. (I have your new e-mail address but it
I was out like a light before 9pm! I was exhausted.
> is in my laptop which is at home and I didn't want to leave my girl
> hanging)... Love ya'll...
>
YOU TOO!!!!!!
Bambi
<<Sojourner Truth wrote:
> "Give Me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!">>
>
> <<Well said! >>
>
Oh, a regular funny bunny eh? So you like jokes do you? Okay. Cool.
I got some jokes for you. Try these on for size:
______How America Got Rich Overnight_____
"Indeed the rise of America from a wilderness over which roamed
Indians and buffaloes to world power; from a people once so pressed by
hunger that some were driven to cannibalism to a nation with enormous
surpluses of food is nothing short of the miraculous. Britain took
1,920 years to become the world's foremost power - 1,643 years from
Julius Caesar's invasion, 55 B.C., to the defeat of the Spanish
Armada in 1588; and another 277 years to Waterloo 1815. The United
States took ONLY 353 years, that is from the founding of St. Augustine,
Fla., to the end of World War I...why did America take the lead so
early in the New World? The answer is trade...it was trade in
molasses...Why molasses? Molasses meant rum. Why rum? Rum was for
exchange of Africans on the African west coast. In short, it was the
sale of Africans in the New World-the slave trade-that LAID the
financial foundation of the United States." (How Europe
Underdeveloped Africa-Walter Rodney, Howard University Press,
Washington, D.C. 1974, P. 83. The Great Controversy-Ellen G. White,
Pacific Press Publishing Association, Mountain View, California, 1950.
Pp. 291, 292, 293, 296.)
Furthermore, the first city founded by Europeans in America was named
after an African (BLACK) KNOWN AS St. Augustine and was built by
Africans who accompanied the Spaniards here in 1615. It is now a
matter of historical record that the Spaniards would not even have
known how to get here if it were NOT for the Africans.
How You Like Me Now??? Did That Tickle Your Funny Bone?! No?
Alright, Hold Up! I Got More Jokes For You. I Got'you...Don't
Worry...I Got'you!!!
I dare you to read on!
_______ANATOMY OF THE MOLASSES TRADE SYSTEM____
"In the great slave communities to the southward, Americans found the
only great and permanent market for all their staples. It was the
wealth accumulated from West India trade which more than anything else
underlaid the prosperity of New England and the middle colonies..."
"This was the procedure. New England ships with their cargo of rum
would sail to West Africa, where they would exchange it for slaves and
such articles they could pick up as gold- dust and ivory, thence to the
West Indies where they disposed of them at high profits, then returned
with molasses for more rum, then again to Africa. This was known as
the TRIANGULAR (or three-cornered) trade. Molasses, be it noted was
slave produced too." (How Europe Underdeveloped Africa-Walter
Rodney, Howard University Press, Washington, D.C. 1974, P. 83. The
Rebirth of African Civilization-Chancellor Williams, Public Affairs
Press, Washington, D.C.1061. P 3.)
(Note: The chains used on most slave ships were made by slaves in that
region also!)
Some say that the Triangular Trade System is what gave rise to the
fashionable "three-cornered hat" of the colonial period. During
the colonial period and even far beyond that the Wall Street Stock
Market was a place for selling Black slaves along side horses, cattle
and chickens.
"Whenever a cargo of African slaves docked in American ports the
founding fathers would lift up their hands and give praise proclaiming
an overwhelming Providence has been pleased to bring to this nation of
freedom another cargo of benighted heathens to enjoy this nation the
blessings of a gospel dispensation." (This fact stated by Dr. Yosef
ben Jochannan on a two record set album, Afrikan History, available
from Alkebu-Ian Books, 209 West 125th Street, N.Y.C., N.Y. 10037, Suite
204. Africa Her History, Lands and People-John A. Williams, Cooper
Square Publishers, Inc., New York, 1962, P. 21.)
What? You think this is a one-sided view of the subject? Not at all.
The authors claim that the MAIN concern here is that the very
institutions which exist in AMERICA today are predicated upon the
principles of the slave trade and we must understand that.
Exploitation of people in general and the continued oppression of Black
People in particular is the foundation of the American capitalist
system and no group of so-called well meaning liberals, Marxists,
born-again Christians or any other whites can or are even really
willing to change that.
As a race Black People must take their own destiny in hand and change
it for themselves. Whenever you are tempted to get all wrapped up into
thinking that there were some "good God fearing white folks" back
in those days just stop and ask yourself the question: What relevance
does this have to the cold and harsh reality of the actual outcome of
that period in world history?
Where are the millions of Indians that used to dwell in this land and
what is the state of their descendants today? Why are you and other
Africans still struggling so hard just to "get ahead"? Once we
face these realities then we can put aside all the universal
brotherhood romanticism and start doing something positive for
OURSELVES! Then and only then will the rest of the world respect US or
even listen seriously to anything WE may have to say.
Collectively Black People MUST show ourselves to be an intelligent and
wise people, by shaking ourselves out of the abstract emotions of love
and hate and start dealing with the concrete realities of the
injustices done to us and the present powerlessness of the race. Rev.
Cleage in the book, "The Black Messiah" says, "We must realize
that talking about love doesn't change our problem....We have to
concern ourselves with justice, not love."
In the words of that illustrious giant of abolition Frederick Douglas:
"A man without force is without the essential dignity of humanity.
Human nature is so constituted that it cannot honor a helpless man
although it can pity him even this it cannot do long if the signs of
power do not arise...if there is no struggle there is no progress...
power concedes nothing without a demand it never did and it never will.
Men may not get all they pay for in this world but they must certainly
pay for all they get."
The Honorable Marcus Garvey wrote:
"Except the individual, the nation or the race have power that is
exclusive, it means that that individual, race or nation will be bound
by the will of another....man is not satisfied or moved by prayers or
petitions but every man is moved by the power of authority which forces
him to do even against his will."
To those who insist upon magnifying the idea that there are many white
folks who have expressed their sympathy and solidarity with us the
author replies, "You can say whatever you will but it's what =you
do= that counts. I don't see any white folks in large numbers
offering to get from America the just reparations that are due to us as
a People, or any of them even personally attempting to make
restitution." (Actually, most are doing just the total opposite.
Most white folks are firmly against "any type" of Affirmative
Action programs what-so-ever and do not bite their tongues on this
subject!)
The author continues: "The clothes white folks wear, the houses they
live in and the jobs they have could not be if it were NOT for the
support and reinforcement of white America's existing institutions,
which are extensions of and have evolved out of the very ones that were
built off of the sweat of the Black Man's back.
The author offers comfort from he proclaims Afrikan Israelites in the
days of old when they were about to enter the promised land: "Be
strong and of good courage. Be not dismayed. For the Lord, thy God is
with thee whether so ever thou goest."
Author concludes..."Of this one thing you can be sure "what goes
around comes around." This is the eternal law of Karma. Have you
ever heard the phrase "Last of the Mohegans?" Today there is not
even a vestige of the Narragansett Indians except for names of streets,
rivers and towns in the state of Rhode Island. This is the price of
betrayal to ones self and kind."
Conclusion: The glaring records of History make it plain that molasses
and the slave trade were the source of America's wealth. So where do
we, the descendents of the African slaves fit into the portrait of the
American dream? To intelligent Black people the answer is very clear.
Sojourner Truth
>
> I am so sorry that coming home is so completely heart-wrenching for
> you. No one should feel that way about their grassroots. I felt sad
> when I read this and I was moved when you shared your story with me a
> few weeks back. I have a suggestion which I hope you will take. Why
> not share your story with everyone? It might help someone to better
> understand all this. I am not saying that it will (b/c we know only
> God can change a heart!) but maybe it will shed some much needed light.
Are you reading these posts? People don't care, girl. They could
actually care less to be quite honest. I know this. You know it. It
is no secret. It is the sad reality we live in...
So I could "bear my very soul" ; but folks ain't trying to hear that.
They are just not.
Bambi
> Are you reading these posts? People don't care, girl. They could
> actually care less to be quite honest. I know this. You know it. It
> is no secret. It is the sad reality we live in...
>
But if we can institute just a little bit of change in just a little
part of our world, maybe there is hope. You feel me? Chicago for
example I have heard people call it the hub (center) of America. See
where I'm going with all this?
> So I could "bear my very soul" ; but folks ain't trying to hear that.
> They are just not.
Look. I know you as does Court and a few others, right? Okay, we are
here for you so don't worry. Just do it! Like that commercial use to
say. Tell them what happened to you guys when you were growing up. I
mean, if you can find the time, willpower, etc.
Luv u!
Courtney
> Sojourner Truth wrote:
>
>
> > Are you reading these posts? People don't care, girl. They could
> > actually care less to be quite honest. I know this. You know it. It
> > is no secret. It is the sad reality we live in...
> >
> Look. I know you as does Court and a few others, right? Okay, we are
> here for you so don't worry. Just do it! Like that commercial use to
Yes, do please tell us your story if you can ST. I don't want to
place any undue pressure or hardship onto you because I know that you
are a strong person. However, if you can reveal your childhood I
wholeheartedly agree that it would serve is a good thing, indeed.
It's not like you are trying to stir up the fans of racial hatred,
racial division or 'incite riots' etc. like some morons in the
media appear to by directing 'constant attention' to a horrific
event in America's history (O.J. Simpson 1995) which took place well
over a decade ago.
What am I talking about? I am talking about a secret that is widely
used and well known by movie, television and theatrical producers. It
is the manipulation of the brain's Gamma state. Do some research on
it yourself if you think I don't know what I'm talking about.
Please. I invite you to check this out via the internet if you do not
believe me.
Some refer to it as "the ideal state of receptivity". The brain
enters this level of activity in response to a strong emotion
occasioned by fear, anger, love or any sensory stimulation, excitement,
etc. One powerful emotion or sensory encounter is enough "to
trigger" the brain and/or "program" the emotion or sensation as
the response to future encounters (or the thought of it) with the
object. For example, a vicious dog attack on one's person or just
witnessing it on someone else is enough to program a fear of dogs,
where there was none. So, an intense affectionate (or unaffectionate,
O.J.) sensual experience can be automatically reprogrammed for its
continued reception (repetition).
Put into laymen's terms. A strong past experience of love, hate,
fear, etc. can be automatically reprogrammed or 'triggered' into a
human brain simply by showing an individual an event in which that same
strong emotion occurred previously.
But like I said, don't take my word for it. Look into this and you
will find the truth for yourself.
Who knows what else they are 'programming' into our heads. I'm
sure advertisers use this ploy often as well. It is how you are taught
to buy what you don't need or want, let alone desire.
So, this is my 2 cents of psychological analysis.
Lily
As uneducated as the founding fathers of America were they didn't say,
"Give me Freedom or give The Fiddle" or, whatever music was in vogue
during this era. No! They at least had the common sense to say:
<<Well said! >>
<<Except for the part where she said the founding fathers were
uneducated, and they said "Give me Liberty or Give Me DEATH!!!"
Was this a joke?
Lily>>
Bambi wrote:
<<Oh, a regular funny bunny eh? So you like jokes do you? Okay. Cool. I
got some jokes for you. Try these on for size:
______How America Got Rich Overnight_____
"Indeed the rise of America from a wilderness over which roamed Indians
and buffaloes to world power; from a people once so pressed by hunger
that some were driven to cannibalism to a nation with enormous surpluses
of food is nothing short of the miraculous. <snip>
What are you talking about? You either didn't understand or didn't read
a word I said other than "joke." You certainly didn't bother quoting
what I responded to.
I'm not talking about molasses or slaves or whatever it is you're
ranting about. I was correcting the assertion that the founding fathers
were ignorant and uneducated. They were not. Most were well educated
and highly intelligent.
"They" did not say "Give me liberty or give me death." One
person--Patrick Henry--is credited with making that declaration during a
debate in the 2nd Virginia Convention, when he was arguing for
revolution.
This is such rudimentary knowledge for anyone who studied American
history in elementary school that it was hard to believe that the OP
didn't know it.
Lily
Syd
> Conclusion: The glaring records of History make it plain that molasses
> and the slave trade were the source of America's wealth. So where do
> we, the descendents of the African slaves fit into the portrait of the
> American dream? To intelligent Black people the answer is very clear.
Here!!!! Here!!!!
You have an elegant/analytical mind. Of this you have left zero doubt!
I immensely applaud you!!!
How amazing that you crossed each and every t in the process, not to
mention dotted all your i's to boot. Impressive! Bravo to you!!!!!!
BRAVO!!!!!!
Bambi
> Here!!!! Here!!!!
>
> You have an elegant/analytical mind. Of this you have left zero doubt!
> I immensely applaud you!!!
>
Thank you; all you can really do is put the facts out there. The rest
is up to the individual as we know all too well...
Bambi
read a word I said other than "joke." You certainly didn't bother
quoting what I responded to.
I quoted in accordance to the U.S. Constitution that dictates my right
to freedom of speech. You are the individual who brought the word
'joke' into the equation. I only rode the wave of your lunacy.
I'm not talking about molasses or slaves or whatever it is you're
ranting about. I was correcting the assertion that the
This I openly admit. I began the discussion of molasses, slaves, etc.
WHY? This is so plain and simple to me but since you asked I don't
mind explaining this to you. I began discussing molasses and slaves
because Molasses was the prime ingredient of the New England slave
trade and was "the miracle" out of which AMERICA so quickly rose to
power. Do I care that you did not like it, no not in the least.
To put it another way, the "miracle" was _US_= Black folk_ in the
person of our Black Ancestors who our late Brother Malcolm X (may he
rest in peace) ...remind us worked "From can't see in the morning
'til can't see at night." Even after the long day's work was
over our people still could find no rest, countless Black Women, old
and young alike, were often sought out in the night by the insatiable
and demonic desires of their slave masters. It is recorded that George
Washington himself, the father of the American nation, eventually died
of a cold which he caught from a draft in the slave quarters while
raping some poor brother's mother, wife, sister or daughter. (Sex and
Race - Volume III - J.A. Rogers, 1270 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
10029, 1944. P. vi.)
You sound like I began all this misery. I did not. I am merely
bearing witness to the truth. I can not make you do this. Only a
higher power or authority can bring this consciousness to you. I am
saying these words in an appeal to your consciousness, to your open
mind, and also to your fair-minded nature to not dispute historical
facts. To do so is a complete waste of both our valuable times, but
mainly as it is futile.
Remember Ted Koppel's ABC nighttime show Nightline? Mr. Koppel did a
documentary one night about lynching. You should get a copy of it if
you can. It will show you that this horrible, terrorist act was not
only committed almost daily in America but that Caucasian Americans
posted literature (as one would for a carnival, etc.) and thousands of
Caucasian Americans came to watch these horrific events. Sometimes, a
Caucasian couple would come holding hands as though at a romantic
gathering. Sometimes the male Caucasian would search the ground for a
souvenir for his girlfriend, wife, etc. after the event. I am not
making this up. My point? Well, basically only that racism (lynching)
was as American in this country as baseball and apple pie. So this is
not all some crazy nightmare I had last night. No matter how much you
or I wish to God it was! These are the facts!
The American Nazi Party is stating an historical fact when they remind
us that the American nation was founded on racism, capitalism and
inequality. The founding fathers, notwithstanding were pretty smart
alright. This I will grant you. Smart enough to know that the pretty
words used in their Declaration of Independence were just that - -
pretty words. Our founding fathers, who were themselves slave holders
had no intention of letting their slaves go or any vision of an
integrated society with Blacks and Caucasians living together in
harmony and economic parity.
Even "Ole Honest Abe" himself, did not entertain this dream.
Remember President Bush told us all quite recently that only one man
accomplished this and his name was Martin Luther King, Jr. But no, the
"great emancipator's" hand was forced by the militant south and
the north's economic situation to take a reluctant stand on the
so-called emancipation of chattel slaves in an effort to end the Civil
War. Abraham Lincoln's own words concerning this matter are recorded
in the well documented chronicles of J.A. Rogers "I have no purpose,
directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery
where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so and I have
no inclination to do so...We didn't go into the war to put down
slavery but to put the flag back...in a certain sense the liberation of
slaves is the destruction of property-property acquired by descent or
by purchase, the same as any other property." [Africa's Gift to
America-J.A. Rogers, N.Y.C., 1961, Pp. 134, 141].
Note: Please check out a new book on this subject
http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850851/sr=1-1/qid=1165361609/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9955507-0247600?ie=UTF8&s=books
According to the brilliant and gifted author, Lerone Bennett Jr.
regarding his book, "It has taken six generations for Forced Into
Glory To Be Written." This excerpt is from the ad in Ebony
magazine's recent issue. I don't recall the month but Beyonce and
two other African American women are on the cover in beautiful evening
gowns. The ad reads: "A book that will challenge the way you look
at yourself, Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War, race and American history.
Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream is an exciting new
book by renowned historian Lerone Bennett Jr., who says that the most
famous political act in American history never happened. Find out why
the Emancipation Proclamation did not actually free African-American
slaves."
"If Lincoln had had his way, Oprah Winfrey, Martin Luther Kin Jr.,
Jesse Jackson Sr., Lena Horne, Muhammad Ali, Hank Aaron, Maya Angelou,
Malcolm X, Rosa Parks...and even Clarence Thomas would have been born
into slavery."
- Forced Into Glory
I point all this out to show you that I have no delusions regarding
race in this country. Do not attack me, save your energy. Thanks to
my parents, my eyes are wide open, my ears are wide open my heart is
wide open and my soul is wide open. I know the truth as do many
millions in this country.
Why mention all this? Because it needed to be said. Because your
response proved that this needed to be said.
I am of course, assuming that I am speaking to a rationale human being.
I mention that to say, if you are indeed a racist, then I am wasting my
valuable time. Because Bobby Wright in the Psychopathic Personality
reminds us that a racist has no conscious or memory and is in a classic
state of denial. Therefore, I spend no time trying to trigger any
racist's consciousness. Second, in any conspiracy there would be two
major players - active and passive. This is common sense, human
rationale, etc. The active conspirators have been described above and
previously in another post. Some are overt racists and others are
covert and participate through institutions. These are the
"liberals" who we see on talk shows who say, "I didn't take
your people from Africa. I'm struggling in America just like you.
Can't we all just get along?"
So I will take this debate another step further. In case you are
thinking lets just let bygones be bygones. If that is how you really
feel, fine. What can I say to that? Not much. However, what I can do
is to direct your attention to reality in 2006 America. How about
that? Can I do that? I'm cool with doing just that if that makes
you more comfortable. To that I say fine, let's look at the current
and more subtle forms of the conspiracy as it exists
today,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "institutional racism".
This is hardly a secret in America. The secret is out because it is
visible and experienced in all of America's existing institutions,
from colleges, to corporations to government to education to law
enforcement to EVERYWHERE! Want to focus on that? I say great! Bring
it on! I'm ready for this discussion. I stand confident enough to
handle this debate and very much so.
Yet, I am not confident that I can convert a racist who is xenophobic
(not saying that you are, I'm speaking on broader terms here) to a
secure loving person who is xenophillic. Even so, I expect nothing
less from African Americans than for them to disavow from consciously
or unconsciously participating in their own genocide and to actively
become involved in the liberation of their own people.
Founding fathers were ignorant and uneducated. They were not. Most
were well educated and highly intelligent.
Perhaps you misunderstood me here. Perhaps I was unclear. I will
however, take this opportunity to further expound. I wish to thank
you. I appreciate it and hope I am able to make the most of this
moment.
What I "meant" was that most American citizens were not educated.
Yes, it is true our founding fathers were educated men. That is
correct. However, the masses of American citizens were not educated
nor were they land holders. This is evidenced by the fact that African
American Slaves had to be used to enable the win in the Civil War. I
would like to explain further on this point:
..Black Troops Used To Save The Lives of Whites During America's
Revolutionary War..
"The war of the American Revolution really began in rivalry over the
African slave-trade. The American colonies, principally the New
England ones, was taking away from the mother-country principally by
using rum as barter for slaves, ivory, gold and other products...in
plain language, therefore, it was the profit from the sale of Africans
and the wealth they produced that was the underlying cause of the
revolution. In short, had there been no AFRICA, the United States
might still be attached to Britain...thus the wealth gained from the
sale of Africans and their labor not only laid the foundation of
America's commerce but 'the attempt to deprive her' of the
benefit of the slave trade was the most direct cause of the
revolution." [Africa's Gift to America-J.A. Rogers, N.Y.C., 1961,
pp. 40, 44, 42].
To make matters worse:
"After the glowing words of the Declaration of Independence (which
didn't apply to Black men), it was decided to use slaves and members
of a despised race, to fight for the freedom of white men, seemed the
last word in contradiction. England was making much of how Negroes had
been used so far...Washington saw he must use the Negroes or run the
risk of losing the war. He wrote Colonel Henry Lee, December 10, 1775.
'Success will depend on which side can arm the Negro
faster'.....Negroes were accepted in numbers now that General
Schuyler wrote, 'Is it consistent with the sons of freedom to trust
their all to be defended by slaves?" [Africa's Gift to
America-J.A. Rogers, N.Y.C., 1961, pp. 103, 106, 108].
"Over 5,000 Blacks were among the colonial militia who helped the
United States gain its independence from Britain. They fought at all
famous battles which are a part of American folklore, for example at
Bunker Hill the British troops were whipping the Americans unmercifully
when an African slave named Peter Salem stepped forth and shot Major
John Pitcairn, commander of the British marines, in the chest mortally
wounding him." The author adds: "That bullet may have had a lot
of the frustration of Salem's personal bondage in it. The fact that
he was even permitted to shoot a white man may have in itself been
gratifying to this brother. This aggression initiative on the part of
a Black slave saved the day for the American troops. We are here
mentioning the role of Black folks in the American Revolution as a
point of historical reference not because we are proud of it but
because it actually happened. The question arises as to why Blacks
have fought for their slave masters on this and other occasions.
That is why conscious Black people can say unequivocally that legally
in accordance with international law as well as morally we owe white
folks nothing and they owe us everything. The attitude we must assume
at this state of history is that all things must be viewed in terms of
what is in the best interest of the Black race first and in the
interest of the world second. This is the way of wisdom, this is the
way of a people with self-respect who seek power in the world rather
than servitude and subordination to another."
"They" did not say "Give me liberty or give me death." One
person--Patrick Henry--is credited with making that declaration during
a
debate in the 2nd Virginia Convention, when he was arguing for
revolution.
Whoa. I had no idea he alone made that statement. But, that is not
all Mr. Henry said. Why leave out the good parts? .
In a sense, we agree. Since Caucasian Americans have
documented\witnessed and African Americans have suffered\endured
hundreds of centuries of the mistreatment, oppression, degradation,
racism, human indignities of the rarest forms why is the below
information not known by every school child? I agree, excellent
question. Now remember, you asked for it.
"Patrick Henry declared that while he would not and could not justify
slavery, he found Negroes a necessity. 'I am drawn along', he
said, 'by the general inconvenience of living without them.' In
his address to the Virginia Convention, June 24, 1788 he deplored
'the necessity of holding his fellow-men in bondage' but that their
manumission is incompatible with the facilities of the country.'
Thomas Jefferson and other...slave holders said much the same."
[Africa's Gift to America, J.A. Rogers p. 37]
Thomas Jefferson once said "...that the orangutans preferred Black
women to those of his own species." And that Black men "...were
void of mental endowment...John Hancock, a great patriot, made his
fortune as a slave smuggler...Washington...in 1776, sent one of his
slaves Tom, by a ship's captain to e exchanged for molasses. (Sex
and Race - Volume III - J.A. Rogers, [see above] P. 250).
In fact white folks were passing Black people around as if they were
old clothes, on one occasion General Braddock, after he had been
fatally wounded in a fight, bequeathed his bodyguard, a Black slave
named Bishop, to George Washington as a gift.
Certainly, I admit to not being very well versed in American History.
However, the knowledge I have thus far attained I think is fairly
accurate. But no one told a lie earlier. I did not make this
statement up in my irrational head. No, this was taught to everyone in
grade school. If this statement is so inconsequential to that era why
was it repeatedly taught? And, if this statement was not uttered as
such, I dare ask the question as to why so many Caucasian historians,
writers of history books, etc. have numerous times uttered this precise
verbiage almost word-for-word to our children of all various
ethnicities over and over and over and over and over and over. So if
you don't like the reference, great. ST was completely honest in her
statement. It was said, period. Whether this was said by one, twenty,
fifty or one-billion. What difference does your rationale make? ST
said it was said and ...what, gasp; you bring us that indeed, ...: IT
WAS SAID? You waste everyone's time with your weak rationale. I
guarantee you that I am not jesting with you. I am no court jester.
Of this role I can most adamantly assure you!
As you yourself said, American history is of such elementary rudiments
that anyone who studied American history at, say, a grammar
school-level should know its truth. Why? Because American history is
repeatedly drummed into our heads in 8th, 11th and college school
years. At least what they want you to know about it.
I have a different rationale or approach if you will so allow. We are
afterall all different. I have a question for you? Why were we not
taught the truth about the Boston Tea Party? How's that for
rationale? What do I mean here? I am more than delighted to tell you
exactly what I am talking about here.
THE BOSTON TEA PARTY: An Act of Vandalism
"...a British West Indian, probably a Jamaican, Samuel Francis,
affectionately known as Black Sam...owned the finest hostelry (inn) not
only in New York but in colonial America...and it was there the sons of
Liberty plotted the dumping of the cases of East India tea into the
Hudson." [ Africa's Gift to America-J.A. Rogers, N.Y.C., 1961, P
113.]
The colonial boycott against the purchasing of British goods provided
smugglers with a heyday of commercial gain which prompted Parliament in
1770 to repeal the Townshend Act except for tax on tea. The home
government kept that tax on tea to show that Britain maintained the
right to levy taxes on her thirteen colonies in the Americas. The
colonists relaxed their boycott which for all practical purposes had
been very difficult to keep up because the English and their offspring
the Euro-American were literally tea addicts. In spite of the repeal
of the tea tax the colonists resolved to drink only the tea that had
been smuggled in colonial ports by Dutch merchants. December 16, 1773
three ships of the East India Company owned by British merchants who
were given a monopoly of the tea trade in the British colonies tried to
land at Boston Harbor. The local legislative body refused the ship's
captain permission to dock. That evening about fifty or so white
colonists disguised themselves as MOHAWK Indians, raided the vessels,
beat up the crew and lifted 342 chests of tea from the store rooms and
emptied the contents into the sea. Riots in other American colonial
ports discouraged further efforts to bring in the company tea.
Note how the colonists planned to blame this act of vandalism on the
indigenous Red man. This was a cowardly act indeed, rather than one of
heroism as we have been taught through the mis-education of the white
man's school system. At least when frustrated Black people rioted in
the 1960's they did not try to disguise themselves as anything other
than what they were, angry Black folks. Though the destruction of
property by these white colonists is held up before us as an act of
protest in the colonial American independence movement, yet, the Black
man's discontent with unjust treatment as demonstrated in the
rebellions of the 1960's and 70's is branded as acts of terrorism
and crime in the streets. Thus the ever present and consistent
ambiguity of the Euro-American people. Though this particular
manifestation of our righteous indignation may not have been the best
and wisest way to go; it must be defined by us for what it really was,
a protest against injustice and the brutal assassination and harassment
of our legitimate Black leadership.
As regards the African slave trade and the American Revolution Rogers
says, "it is impossible to over-estimate the impact of the African
and the African American on the United States from 1512 to 1865."
That is not something we as a people should necessarily be proud of but
it is a fact we must never forget. If we could build a nation for
Caucasians, why can we not now build one for ourselves?
While Hollywood likes to flaunt the lives of its multiple various
actresses and actors for entertainment purposes that does not mean I
live inside that fantasy world. Yes, we enjoy dreaming over the
lifestyles and legacies of the famous, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom
X, but most especially the rich; like Camelot of Jackie Onassis\John F.
Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, etc. all as idyllic figures of mystic and
glamour. Regrettably the concepts/ idealisms preached by these same
individuals, fought by these same individuals and in more times than
not killed for such principles is no where else manifested except for
in the Hollywood movies. The American public is remiss and careful
"not to pay" into bringing such fantasies into reality. Why is
that? I ask each American citizen to please legitimately consider this
question. Would this question not be at least within the normal
rationale of each human being to contemplate? I think so.
How about instead of Americans recreating that fantasy over and over in
Hollywood for motion pictures and fleeting television shows how about
flipping it into an actual living and breathing reality? Huh? How
about that? Because America's repeated failure to do this has only
produced individuals like you. And while I find you certainly quite
amusing on a good day, it is nonetheless infuriating on a bad day.
So stop making insinuations that I live in a fantasy world or some crap
because now you know that I do not. I live in reality. The reality
that is the bane of my very existence. I recognize Hollywood movies
and television for precisely what it is, pure fantasy, period, bottom
line.
So in conclusion I say that unless you can reverse time and resurrect
over four-hundred (400) years of slavery, over one-hundred (100+) of
Jim Crow Laws (passed legally [state-to-state] across America from
California to New York) and decades of institutionalized slavery (since
the list of individuals above) in this country you cannot strip away my
reality. Only a miracle can do this. So if you think you have this
power, I think I speak for many people in this country when I beg you
to yes, please do.
But until that day, back off. And, if you would like to continue this
discussion until we are both old and gray, I have no problems with that
either. Thankfully, for you, I have at my disposal an arsenal of
knowledge.
Bring it! I love a challenge, gives me the perfect opportunity to RISE
to the occasion..(tag, you're it...)
WHAT KILLS A SKUNK IS THE PUBLICITY IT GIVES ITSELF.
-Abraham Lincoln
Syd
> So I will take this debate another step further. In case you are
> thinking lets just let bygones be bygones. If that is how you really
> feel, fine. What can I say to that? Not much. However, what I can do
> is to direct your attention to reality in 2006 America. How about
> that? Can I do that? I'm cool with doing just that if that makes
> you more comfortable. To that I say fine, let's look at the current
> and more subtle forms of the conspiracy as it exists
> today,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "institutional racism".
>
Damn girl, you are out of this world! Bravo! You came, saw and
conquered. If I could meet your parents, I would shake their hands and
profusely thank them both.
>From the looks of it, they did not just spoil you rotten as you claimed
but they also provided you with a superb education.
Thank you for that information. I have read an abundance of books and
yet I have never in all these years read the corrected version of the
Boston Tea Party. Also, I definitely knew of the American Revolution
but not the details you provided. I knew she [America] was fighting
for her Independence but I did not know that the fight was due to the
African slave trade. And I did not know that America's success in
winning her Independence was frankly in actually due to thousands of
African slaves who fought in the American Revolution. That was quite
astonishing. Well that and the fact that America's wealth and
development came about due to the millions of individuals engageded in
free labor. It is a no-brainer but something you do not normally
consider.
I, as every American citizen, knew our founding fathers were indeed
slaveholders. That was not shocking at all. But what was the most
shocking was reading Jefferson's statements that he apparently made
while having over a dozen children with his Black slave, Sally.
Imagine how sick and perverse it is to speak of one's lover and
children in such a horrific manner. What's up with that is what I
wondered as I read his comments during that peculiar era.
You parents helped for sure but no way did they create you. I say this
also since you told me their incomes was working-class.
SometimesSane
> Bambi wrote:
>
>
> >From the looks of it, they did not just spoil you rotten as you claimed
> but they also provided you with a superb education.
>
> You parents helped for sure but no way did they create you. I say this
> also since you told me their incomes was working-class.
>
I get this because there are kids in this country who are given far
more and yet they are utterly useless to themselves and to their
communities. Yet, here you stand as a glowing contradiction.
Probably it is because when most ordinary black folk speak of
'spoiling' their children it is usually within the realms of giving
him or her tons of love, affection and encouragement; not caring if
same child talks back to you or not, etc. That's what is meant by
the term spoiling where I come from. But most people don't get this
when they come from influential backgrounds.
Bambi
> Probably it is because when most ordinary black folk speak of
> 'spoiling' their children it is usually within the realms of giving
> him or her tons of love, affection and encouragement; not caring if
> same child talks back to you or not, etc. That's what is meant by
> the term spoiling where I come from. But most people don't get this
> when they come from influential backgrounds.
>
Yes, that is right. I did have much more freedom w/my tongue than my
cousins. I was very spoiled in this sense. But still I knew how far I
could go too.
But still I know what you mean here.
Bambi
> You parents helped for sure but no way did they create you. I say this
> also since you told me their incomes was working-class.
>
True. You can place your blame on Dude above. My birthday is 3/3,
I'm a Pisces (pure spirit) with Virgo rising (mercury's
quick\analytical mind). Deadly combination...or so I have been told
and later learned (astrology) is exact. ;
SometimesSane
> >
> True. You can place your blame on Dude above. My birthday is 3/3,
> I'm a Pisces (pure spirit) with Virgo rising (mercury's
> quick\analytical mind). Deadly combination...or so I have been told
> and later learned (astrology) is exact. ;
>
spirituality. I remember reading Pisces being termed Spritual
Idealists which fits you to a 'T for sure.
But, I'm more envious of your mind than your upbringing because Dude
hooked you UP!
mmu...@crowleylamb.com
>.
>
> But, I'm more envious of your mind than your upbringing because Dude
> hooked you UP!
>
>
This is shocking to America because we all come from the very
ghettos-guts splattered all across the country. And since they know
that these schools are crap houses, most shake and scratch their heads
in surprise. It is amazing no less what the will and drive to survive
can accomplish. You ladies make me very proud to be who I am. Very
proud.
Sojourner Truth
>
> Damn girl, you are out of this world! Bravo! You came, saw and
> conquered. If I could meet your parents, I would shake their hands and
> profusely thank them both.
>
parents were correct in that they discovered that a good education is
priceless. I too commend them for their endeavor. There is this story
about a father who complained because Aristippus ((follower of Socrates
and founder of the Cyrenaic school of philosophy) charged unusually
high prices for his teachings. The father said something like, "Why
for that price I can buy a slave!" To which Aristippus calmly
replied, "Go ahead, then you will have two."
Moral: The true wealth of your children lies in the practical savvy
that you (the parent) manage to endow him/her with. It also shows that
without a proper education your child will become nor better than a
slave.
It is better to be a beggar than ignorant; for a beggar only wants
money, but an ignorant person wants humanity.
-ARISTIPPUS
BENJ...@hotmail.com
> Note: Please check out a new book on this subject
> http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850851/sr=1-1/qid=1165361609/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9955507-0247600?ie=UTF8&s=books
>
> According to the brilliant and gifted author, Lerone Bennett Jr.
> regarding his book, "It has taken six generations for Forced Into
> Glory To Be Written." This excerpt is from the ad in Ebony
> magazine's recent issue. I don't recall the month but Beyonce and
> two other African American women are on the cover in beautiful evening
> gowns. The ad reads: "A book that will challenge the way you look
> at yourself, Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War, race and American history.
>
Excellent book; I am in the process of sinking my teeth into it.
>
> I am of course, assuming that I am speaking to a rationale human being.
> I mention that to say, if you are indeed a racist, then I am wasting my
> valuable time. Because Bobby Wright in the Psychopathic Personality
> reminds us that a racist has no conscious or memory and is in a classic
> state of denial. Therefore, I spend no time trying to trigger any
> racist's consciousness. Second, in any conspiracy there would be two
This would ring true for anyone with a logical, fair and analytical
mind.
It is with a heavy, burdened and troubled heart that I concur, that
this 'classic state of denial' is but one of the many links that
bind Jewish people and African Americans regardless of where they
reside in the world.
>
> THE BOSTON TEA PARTY: An Act of Vandalism
>
> captain permission to dock. That evening about fifty or so white
> colonists disguised themselves as MOHAWK Indians, raided the vessels,
> beat up the crew and lifted 342 chests of tea from the store rooms and
> emptied the contents into the sea. Riots in other American colonial
> ports discouraged further efforts to bring in the company tea.
> Note how the colonists planned to blame this act of vandalism on the
> indigenous Red man. This was a cowardly act indeed, rather than one of
This I too with all my education was unaware of regarding American
history.
I want to also thank you for providing this information (and my lady
adds her thanks) for that vital history lesson.
> While Hollywood likes to flaunt the lives of its multiple various
> actresses and actors for entertainment purposes that does not mean I
> live inside that fantasy world. Yes, we enjoy dreaming over the
> lifestyles and legacies of the famous, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom
> X, but most especially the rich; like Camelot of Jackie Onassis\John F.
> Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, etc. all as idyllic figures of mystic and
> glamour. Regrettably the concepts/ idealisms preached by these same
> individuals, fought by these same individuals and in more times than
> not killed for such principles is no where else manifested except for
> in the Hollywood movies. The American public is remiss and careful
> "not to pay" into bringing such fantasies into reality.
Oh and very much so. Movies exhibit by their sheer and pure art-form
and splendor almost verbatim what the present society encompasses. I
always looked at movies as society's echo. I am somewhat saddened by
the decline of our movie industry. Although Hollywood did not always
just seek to entertain us. What ever happened to movies that sought to
teach the audience important life lessons? Remember the movie Shane
(1953) when the good guys win over the bad guys? Movies such as Giant
(1956) taught society about racial issues while simultaneously teaching
that within all humanity is the ability to change despite old
ways/attitudes, beliefs and erroneous ideologies we may have been
brought up. I really liked how back then movies displayed for the
audience that what we once perceived as reality was not in actuality
the right or humane perception.
Even notorious movies such as the Godfather (1972) taught family
values, loyalty and survival at any and all costs was supreme in life
lessons. Taxi Driver (1976) though eccentric and bizarre gave us yet
another view into the human psyche which I think exceeded brilliance.
Saturday Night Fever (1978) and The Rose (1979) two additional
excellent films for different reasons and yet both had important
messages and lessons to learn from. Alas, gone are those days...I also
am greatly disappointed by that. I miss that. Imagine the message
this pure fantasy lifestyle is sending to society's children. That
can not be a good thing either ethically or artistically.
A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with
guns. -Don Corleone, in The Godfather, by Mario Puzo
Courtney
> I get this because there are kids in this country who are given far
> more and yet they are utterly useless to themselves and to their
>
You would get this with your adorable only-child (son). He is so darn
cute it should be outlawed! ;
Courtney
> Take your shirt off, Bambi.
>
LOL. You apparently don't know who you said this to. This woman is
gutsy (and, pretty) enough to do it too.
Why do you think her parents coined her Bambi? Brains and beauty is a
rare combo indeed. She's blessed for sure!
;-)
mmu...@crowleylamb.com
> > magazine's recent issue. I don't recall the month but Beyonce and
> > two other African American women are on the cover in beautiful evening
> > gowns. The ad reads: "A book that will challenge the way you look
> > at yourself, Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War, race and American history.
> >
> Excellent book; I am in the process of sinking my teeth into it.
>
I can't wait to get my copy.
> Oh and very much so. Movies exhibit by their sheer and pure art-form
> and splendor almost verbatim what the present society encompasses. I
> always looked at movies as society's echo. I am somewhat saddened by
> the decline of our movie industry. Although Hollywood did not always
> just seek to entertain us. What ever happened to movies that sought to
> teach the audience important life lessons? Remember the movie Shane
> (1953) when the good guys win over the bad guys? Movies such as Giant
> (1956) taught society about racial issues while simultaneously teaching
> that within all humanity is the ability to change despite old
> ways/attitudes, beliefs and erroneous ideologies we may have been
> brought up. I really liked how back then movies displayed for the
Oh, I want to add my favorites too. I loved old movies more than any
others. I love that movie The Egg and I (1947), Annie Get Your Gun
(1950), Yours, Mind and Ours (1968) with Lucille Ball and Henry Fonda.
What a classic. It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World (1963) talk about
hilarious.
Not any more hilarious than all the various Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin
Movies. My favorite is The Disorderly Orderly (1964) but any of their
old movies together will suffice, (The Bat-Bat-Bat-Girl! "They got
muscles....you can get a gun!) Loved all of those Lewis/Martin flicks.
Night of the Hunter (1955) was so good. I enjoyed this movie so much I
watched it often. That song is still in my head today
(Leeeeeeaning...Leeeeaning...) Another classic! Next would be:
Mahogany (1975)
Cooley High (1964)
Grease (1978), I know my friends and I memorized almost the entire
movie.
And, my all time favorite Sparkle (1976) (yes, we memorized this one
too).
Thanks Ben for that memory lane visit. It was fun!
Sojourner Truth
> Bambi wrote:
>
> > Note: Please check out a new book on this subject
> > http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850851/sr=1-1/qid=1165361609/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9955507-0247600?ie=UTF8&s=books
> >
> > According to the brilliant and gifted author, Lerone Bennett Jr.
> > regarding his book, "It has taken six generations for Forced Into
> > Glory To Be Written." This excerpt is from the ad in Ebony
> > magazine's recent issue. I don't recall the month but Beyonce and
> > two other African American women are on the cover in beautiful evening
> > gowns. The ad reads: "A book that will challenge the way you look
> > at yourself, Abraham Lincoln, the Civil War, race and American history.
> >
> Excellent book; I am in the process of sinking my teeth into it.
I have not read it yet either but hopefully I will get this chance over
the holiday break from work, etc.
> > While Hollywood likes to flaunt the lives of its multiple various
> > actresses and actors for entertainment purposes that does not mean I
> > live inside that fantasy world. Yes, we enjoy dreaming over the
What really bugs me about this whole entertainment in Hollywood
psychosis is how everyone is such a total busy-body. What is that
about? I mean, I know it is all 'only' about profit (so what else is
new, right?) but geez. It is all about who's wearing what and
who's seeing who and who went where and for how long and what they
bought and how many and what it cost. Please, spare me. Imagine what
the turn-around of this (totality into your own lives/psyches) could
accomplish on a much more personal level. You know what I mean?
I am sure there are people who feed off of this (the word leeches comes
to mind here) but it has gotten way, way out of hand. But me, "I can't
stand it!" (said in the voice of that blonde chick in Singin' in the
Rain[1952])
> Oh and very much so. Movies exhibit by their sheer and pure art-form
> and splendor almost verbatim what the present society encompasses. I
> always looked at movies as society's echo. I am somewhat saddened by
> the decline of our movie industry. Although Hollywood did not always
> just seek to entertain us. What ever happened to movies that sought to
> teach the audience important life lessons? Remember the movie Shane
> Saturday Night Fever (1978) and The Rose (1979) two additional
>
Oh God yes! Loved, loved, loved...The Rose with Bette Midler. You
know how you like a movie so much you watch it until you get sick
almost. That was me with this movie. Well this movie and another with
her which is a remake but I did not see the older version. Nor can I
recall the movie. But it was good!
My Mama loved another rose movie called 'The Rose Tatoo' (1955) and
I fell in love with it too. South Pacific (1958) is another favorite
and West Side Story (1961). I liked musicals a lot. The Josephine
Baker Story with Lynn Whitfield I watched so many times I can not even
count. But I do not think it was a movie per se. I love comedies more
than anything which is why I have the entire series of Three's
Company. On my mindless days I watch these for an entire day. Once
when I got rid of the little rascals to a friend with several of them I
plopped down on the sofa to commence on a full-day doing just that. My
girlfriend dropped them back off around 7ish in the evening. The
little chatterbox walked over to me and says something like, "T, you
been watching these people all day?" They both call me T (short for
Auntie). I rubbed her little cheek (when I wanted to whack it instead)
and said in as gently a voice as I could, "Yes, sweetness, I have!"
But at that point I had to get up and deal with them so my little
moment of peace was over.
So I prefer comedies to any other film genre. Madea's Family Reunion
and all of his (Tyler Perry) movies I love. Recently, I liked
40-year-old-Virgin. I never laughed so hard in my life.
But yet I can't wait to see that new Mel Gibson movie.
Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in
harmony.
-MAHATMA GANDHI
Sojourner Truth
> What are you talking about? You either didn't understand or didn't
> read a word I said other than "joke." You certainly didn't bother
> quoting what I responded to.
>
> I quoted in accordance to the U.S. Constitution that dictates my right
> to freedom of speech. You are the individual who brought the word
> 'joke' into the equation. I only rode the wave of your lunacy.
>
Like only you can! Kudos on a job very well done, indeed! Very well
done my friend.
> I am of course, assuming that I am speaking to a rationale human being.
> I mention that to say, if you are indeed a racist, then I am wasting my
> valuable time. Because Bobby Wright in the Psychopathic Personality
> reminds us that a racist has no conscious or memory and is in a classic
> state of denial. Therefore, I spend no time trying to trigger any
> racist's consciousness. Second, in any conspiracy there would be two
> major players - active and passive. This is common sense, human
> rationale, etc. The active conspirators have been described above and
> previously in another post. Some are overt racists and others are
> covert and participate through institutions. These are the
> "liberals" who we see on talk shows who say, "I didn't take
> your people from Africa. I'm struggling in America just like you.
> Can't we all just get along?"
Did not Dick Cheney himself remark just the other day that weakness was
provocative which I took to mean offensive, insulting, challenging
confrontational, etc.? Or you could take it to mean provoking
something such as anger or incites anger, etc. So I would expect this
man more than any other to fully understand this concept as it relates
to people, whether they are poor people, female people, African
American people, Latino people, Jewish people, etc. Sure, Mr. Cheney
should fully understand and get all of this or else he is a hypocrite
that merely shoots off his mouth at random with no purpose whatsoever.
At least my good friend and colleague-in-arms Harriet Tubman (smile)
lived by her convictions. Plagued by periodic blackout spells (as
everyone recalls), from an injury inflicted upon her by her owner when
she was just a child, she endured privation, mostly living off the land
and pressed forward with a resolute self-determination, reasoning in
her heart.
Regarding weakness or better worded freedom she said: "...there is
one of two things I have a right to, liberty or death; if I cannot have
one, I will have the other, for no man shall take me alive..."
Harriet Tubman did not stop at just gaining her own measure of freedom
in the north. No, she became the Number One conductor on the
"Underground Railroad." In ten years she made some 19 trips back
to the south and lead more than 300 slaves to freedom. General Tubman
also commanded guerilla forces during the Civil War. At the age of 93
The Reverend Mother Harriet Tubman declared, "I never run my train
off de track and I never lost a passenger."
Mr. Cheney should look toward her (a slave with no education) for
guidance. Harriet Tubman lived and breathed by her convictions. A
very important lesson indeed for all mankind to live by and or aspire
toward, at least I think so.
My suggestion: Mr. Cheney, you may begin with the African American
community with the 'interest' on that long-ago promise of "forty
acres and a mule" which our forefathers never did receive. Yes, I
think that is a very good running start.
>
> Yet, I am not confident that I can convert a racist who is xenophobic
> (not saying that you are, I'm speaking on broader terms here) to a
> secure loving person who is xenophillic. Even so, I expect nothing
> less from African Americans than for them to disavow from consciously
> or unconsciously participating in their own genocide and to actively
> become involved in the liberation of their own people.
>
My thoughts regarding this issue (as everyone knows by now, I have many
regarding many issues and the courage to stand by them when necessary)
is this, worded perfectly by an intelligent scholar: "No one really
knows the full impact of slavery on the psyche and its total distortion
of the otherwise normal and logical function of the mind of the
enslaved. It must be remembered that the white slave master
systematically stole our minds and a portion of our souls, as well as
our bodies."
As the Honorable Marcus Garvey, the Honorable Drew Ali, the Honorable
Elijah Muhammad, Malcom X and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and a host of
others too numerous to mention all of the many, many mighty men and
women who gave so completely of themselves to advance the race further
and further towards our eventual goal of nationhood and Black
liberation felt, it is in the holy deed of these saints that we must
glory and strengthen ourselves as a people. And, as regards to their
mistakes and contradictions, we must move to a higher plateau in our
continuing struggle by learning from and resolving never to repeat them
again. This is the legacy of our time, the good deeds of our ancestors
are our guideposts to freedom, their mistakes and contradictions are
the warning signs of what lies ahead. Learn from them and let us move
ever forward in their principles, truth and faith.
"It is good to speak to the Future: it shall listen."
-Ptahhotep, from Old Kingdom
Bambi
> BENJ...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > teach the audience important life lessons? Remember the movie Shane
> > Saturday Night Fever (1978) and The Rose (1979) two additional
> >
>
> Oh God yes! Loved, loved, loved...The Rose with Bette Midler. You
> know how you like a movie so much you watch it until you get sick
> almost. That was me with this movie. Well this movie and another with
> her which is a remake but I did not see the older version. Nor can I
> recall the movie. But it was good!
>
You are referring to the movie Stella with Bette Midler/John Goodman.
I really enjoyed it too. For some strange reason I really like that
scene in the restaurant when the little girl tells her father about a
favorite book of hers that she was either actively reading or had just
read. I really have no idea why the discussion of 'that fawn' had
such an impact on me. No, I really do not. ; ST you would dig Bette
Midler though since you are both Aries. Bet you didn't know that Ms.
Smarty pants (sticking out tongue ;). But I like Bette Midler's
style. She is a class act.
> So I prefer comedies to any other film genre. Madea's Family Reunion
> and all of his (Tyler Perry) movies I love. Recently, I liked
> 40-year-old-Virgin. I never laughed so hard in my life.
>
I love, -LOVE- so my most favorite genre is of course love stories
(guys you better get out of here, I think you call these
'chick-flicks). Sadly, most of these movies are mainly of the
Caucasian-persuasion (characters) as we say around my way.
But what could we do? We watched regardless of this, since we had no
choice in the matter anyway.
Mildred Pierce, (Can you say nightmare? Classic case of why not to
spoil your kid rotton and disregard responsibility, morals, values,
etc. Sad!)
To Each His Own 1946, (I could see this movie a billion times and never
grow tired of it! What an absolute classic!)...
The Heiress 1949, (Same with this one; loved, loved, loved it!! The
end was superb! My mom and I have a bet that she later contacted him
and they married and had plenty kids. I say the very next day. My mom
thinks no. Saying her father saw to it that this would never happen
with his comment to his daughter 'after-when I'm gone'. But she
was classic with her come-back remark. "You'll never know, will
you father?" Holding his gaze steadily with her own. I enjoyed how
she realized finally that this man (her father) never really liked her
(his daughter) at all. I loved the way she tried explaining all this
to Monty Cliff that night on the balcony in the rain. He kept
insisting she was mistaken. She was a smart woman. She knew her
father well, 'No, no you can tell when someone despises you', or
something like that. She did not go to him at the end of his life
either when he requested her as he lay dying. That took some courage
given the way she must have feared/loved him all her life. He was
really nasty to her at each turn and opportunity he could take.
Death Takes a Holiday, 1934 (Sorry, I'm going backwards but it just
popped in my head. This was a good, good flick!)
Leave Her to Heaven, 1945 (Which leads us to this one. (I know, I need
a life today!) Another all-time classic. Can you say let go? Good
example of a suffocating person, selfish, etc. And, I loved each and
every minute! ;)
Damn Yankees! 1958 (Probably more of a classic girl-movie than it was
a musical\comedy intertwined.)
Casablanca, 1942, (Enough said, right?) "Play it again, Sam."
The Bad Seed, 1956 (This is my other twist to the first, Mildred
Pierce. The little girl was something else! I loved the part the most
when that janitor (or, custodian person) described for her how they
'fry' little children, pink shoes for little-girls and blue-shoes
for little boys. It was hilarious. She fixed him though, didn't
she? Skipping from the basement like nothing was happening until her
Mom smelled the smoke sweeping up through the vents. But, it was too
late for that poor guy. LOL!)
Splendor in the Grass, 1961 (Baby! Now that's when movies WERE
movies! Loved it since there was nothing -not- to love...)
Where the Boys Are, 1960 (Ladies? Am I right? Why can't we make
'em like this anymore? Why???)
Bonnie and Clyde, -1967 (I was disappointed by that scene when she went
to visit her mother. I just knew the parent would be all loving and
sympathetic, hugging and kissing on her wayward child, etc. No such
luck. Remember what mother told daughter? Something like, "Well,
you better just keep on running." Or, something similar.)
Village of the Damned, 1960 (Which leads me to this one. You would
think I would not like this movie but I loved it. So good. Me, my Mom
and my Dad can watch this over and over. Yes, we need help. I know.)
Carmen Jones 1954 (I know right. Finally. But at least when they did
it they did it UP right! I do not have to say anything more than that.
Excellent casting, acting, everything!)
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? 1962 (Quite frankly I think this is
the best of both their careers. I really do. They both did such
awesome and amazing jobs. That is why this is my absolute favorite out
of both of them. Yet, another nagging song: 'I've written a letter
to Daddy!' The look on that guy's face when she came in dressed as
a little girl in that outfit was so funny.)
Valley of the Dolls, 1967 (Oh, My God! I have to stop here b/c I will
never stop. I loved, loved this!!! Whew! Every life portrayed, every
scene, everything! Man! Loved Patty Duke during this time-period too.
That bathroom scene with Patty Duke and the older-actress was
out-of-this-world. Madam left with dignity though didn't she?
(Another song that is stuck in my head forever, "Come live with
me...and, be my love...) I loved the end when my model-girl kicked
that jerk to the curb where he belonged. That fool had no clue what he
had until he didn't have it anymore like most fools, unfortunately.)
Diary of a Mad Housewife, 1970 (If you never saw this movie boy you
missed a great one! I recently heard from a friend that it might be
out of print. Her husband was the proverbial nasty-man and he played
it brilliantly; as did her lover. If you saw this you remember what I
mean here. There are so many lessons in this movie there is not enough
space for me to list them all.)
The Other Side of Midnight, 1977 (My girl took that "No greater wrath
than a woman scored" to fun heights, didn't she? LOL! Yet another
classic...)
Anything Debra Wringer, but mainly these:
Urban Cowboy, 1980 (loved it!)
An Officer And A Gentlemen, 1982 (loved it!)
Terms of Endearment, 1983 (inhaled it, breathed it, loved it! Lots and
lots of times!)
Shaft, 1971 (Again, enough said! Loved this man, movie, music, you
name it, "He's a complicated man, but no one understands him but
his woman....gone Shaft") I imagine that's the ending part of that
song but I bet I'm wrong! (like that commercial... maybe it's
down, Shaft. But that doesn't sound right either. ;)
Movie with The Queen of Disco's songs all up in it. All I can recall
is that song 'Last Dance'. (And, someone
blah..blah..blah..blah..blah..bla..bla..on..the..radio...). What a
great movie. The best!
You know how you like to save the best for last? That's what I think
I did here...
The Way We Were, 1973 (Would you believe out of all the above listing
this film tops them all? I can see this movie over and over until I
croak and I won't grow tired of it. Packed with life lessons, full
of life and gusto. Nice working-class Jewish girl meets W.A.S.P.
rich-boy, so we all knew right from the start it was a match made in
heaven. ;)
Talk about total opposites. But I can see why God threw the two
together even if only briefly. Hubble helped her to relax more and
laugh at herself. K-K-K-Katie taught him... Uh, she taught him. Wait
a minute now. It's coming to me. Uhm...let's see what did she
teach him anyway? Now that I think of it, not much. Notice how he was
almost the exact same coming into the relationship as he was exiting
the relationship? How this is possible I do not know but he managed.
That is a great lesson for women regarding men.
He loved to tell her she was 'so' serious. He called him
'decadent and disgusting!' Remember when she was walking down the
darkened street and he yelled out, "Trouble with some people is they
work too hard." He got her to cross the street and shared some beer
with her and even tied her shoe (all the while my heart is just
pounding, right?). My absolute favorite is when they danced briefly at
the school dance. You could just feel from the body language (both
remained silent) that their bodies were alluding to some future
unfinished business.
Remember when he discovered his talent for writing when the professor
read his story out loud. Of course this resonated to me as did the
entire movie. "In a way he was like the country he lived in,
everything came too easy for him but at least he knew it." About
once a month he worried that...."
He and his friend were a total scream when they realized in their
30's I think that previously they had never even held a JOB.
Hubble's friend mentioned some internship in college. Hubble shook
his head, "Nope, doesn't count." Hard to believe a woman like
her would like (let alone love) anything about a man like that. But
she did. She loved him to distraction. Problem was his love for her
was only minimally reciprocal at best.
> But yet I can't wait to see that new Mel Gibson movie.
>
Me either!
That was way fun, a very nice temporary distraction!!! Yes Ben, thank
you sir.
SometimesSane
> But what could we do? We watched regardless of this, since we had no
> choice in the matter anyway.
>
True. I guess even Butterfly McQueen had to put food on the table.
> Mildred Pierce, (Can you say nightmare? Classic case of why not to
> spoil your kid rotton and disregard responsibility, morals, values,
> etc. Sad!)
I doubt this would have escalated to the point that it did had not the
mother lost the younger child. This really devastated her and, I
think, helped escalate her obsession of her only living, surviving
child, Vera . Great flick!
> Casablanca, 1942, (Enough said, right?) "Play it again, Sam."
>
Classic love story for sure but my favorite love movie is Samson and
Delilah, 1949!! Now that was some love story. It had it all;
unrequited love, rejection, betrayal, revenge; then, at the end of the
movie, forgiveness and understanding. It was pure classic! My favorite
scene is when Delilah stood before Samson as he came ''''round
the bend ...pushing that large thing crushing meal. Not realizing he
was blind, she threw part of her garment over her shoulder (best scene
of a woman in any movie, I think!) as he just kept right on going,
pushing. The incredulous look on her face was truly a remarkable
performance.
> Shaft, 1971 (Again, enough said! Loved this man, movie, music, you
> name it, "He's a complicated man, but no one understands him but
> his woman....gone Shaft") I imagine that's the ending part of that
What a great film, yet another unmatched classic. Women genuinely love
our men, faults and all. In addition, we genuinely seek to understand
them too. Often times, we know them better than they know themselves
or even better than we even know our own-selves. Crazy, but that is
how we women roll. I do not care how much money a man has, or how
smart he is (or rather, 'thinks he is' wink-wink ;), nothing and no
one can get to him as SHE can. I read once that "only a woman can
tell a man that he is still Her Man, not a stockbroker who shouldn't
have sold short when the market was turning long, not a professional
ballplayer who didn't make the out, not a mechanic who's received a
pink slip." Is that right or what?
> The Way We Were, 1973 (Would you believe out of all the above listing
> this film tops them all? I can see this movie over and over until I
> croak and I won't grow tired of it. Packed with life lessons, full
> of life and gusto. Nice working-class Jewish girl meets W.A.S.P.
> rich-boy, so we all knew right from the start it was a match made in
> heaven. ;)
Was there any woman who wasn't in love with him after that movie? I
use to call him the Black Billy Dee Williams. LOL! Yet another major
heart crusher put to film.
> Talk about total opposites. But I can see why God threw the two
> together even if only briefly. Hubble helped her to relax more and
> laugh at herself. K-K-K-Katie taught him... Uh, she taught him. Wait
> a minute now. It's coming to me. Uhm...let's see what did she
> teach him anyway? Now that I think of it, not much. Notice how he was
> almost the exact same coming into the relationship as he was exiting
> the relationship? How this is possible I do not know but he managed.
> .
>
It must have been possible since he obviously accomplished this
unbelievable task! She loved her man to distraction though, didn't
she? She ran to the store after work and bought everything she could
think of to feed him with from all her 'stamp' rations. She was
devoted no doubt.
>
> Remember when he discovered his talent for writing when the professor
> read his story out loud. Of course this resonated to me as did the
> entire movie. "In a way he was like the country he lived in,
> everything came too easy for him but at least he knew it." About
> once a month he worried that...."
>
I loved that scene too. Katie was so angry that the professor chose
his story over hers (which probably was quite brilliant knowing her)
she ran and tore up hers immediately after class. LOL.
> He and his friend were a total scream when they realized in their
> 30's I think that previously they had never even held a JOB.
> Hubble's friend mentioned some internship in college. Hubble shook
> his head, "Nope, doesn't count." Hard to believe a woman like
> her would like (let alone love) anything about a man like that. But
> she did. She loved him to distraction. Problem was his love for her
> was only minimally reciprocal at best.
>
I am not a huge movie buff except for the movies I love. Then I
conduct a little research on them. Robert Redford had not originally
wanted to play this character. But he was good friends with either the
director or producer (I forget which) since I think they had worked
together previously so this 'friend' convinced him to do it. I
think Mr. Redford worried about the character, perhaps thinking Hubble
too shallow. What an understatement! But Mr. Redford played him
superbly. They actually had Ryan O'Neil all set to play Hubble. Mr.
Ryan is cool but I cannot imagine anyone playing Hubble but Robert
Redford. Of course, Ryan O'Neil and Ms. Streisand got together in
The Main Event, 1979. And, I think Ms. Streisand and Redford were in
What's Up Doc but I can't remember since it was a while ago.
> > But yet I can't wait to see that new Mel Gibson movie.
> >
>
> Me either!
>
> That was way fun, a very nice temporary distraction!!! Yes Ben, thank
> you sir.
>
Yeah, thanks for the memories (laugh). I enjoyed the memory lane too.
The Way We Were was probably one of the very best love stories of our
time.
peewee_...@yahoo.com
millia wrote:
>
> What school system were you in? KKK prep?
She really wasn't being racist. She was just stating the fact that a
void or need gets filled one way or another. It isn't that America
wouldn't be poorer without African Americans. I believe it would be.
It's that those facts are not all correct and to overstate them seems
zealous and it takes away from the point.
KC
wrote:
>Shaft, 1971 (Again, enough said! Loved this man, movie, music, you
>name it, "He's a complicated man, but no one understands him but
>his woman....gone Shaft") I imagine that's the ending part of that
>song but I bet I'm wrong! (like that commercial... maybe it's
>down, Shaft. But that doesn't sound right either. ;)
The lyric is "John Shaft".
HTH
KC
Courtney
> KC wrote:
Hey if it isn't KC! Hey KC, ol' buddy, ol' pal! Seasons
Greetings to you and your family ol' buddy, ol' pal!
Looks as if I've been missing all the fun, I am doing what I want to
do this evening. These people (family) are not working me to the
ground this year, this time of year or any other time of any other
year! No. In my home, it is strictly a democracy. Translation:
"Every man for himself!" I have a job for every single one of
these fully capable, able bodied males. Yep. Train 'em early.
That's my motto! Hey, girls, if it works it works, right? (insert
long whistle, wiping brow!)...slavery is over!! I love you but I am
not your slave or maid. You want it. Get it yourself! Okay, okay.
Occasionally, I do spoil my men, like all of us, women do. But I only
do it 'sometimes' so that when I do, they had better enjoy it. ;=
This works!
I love, -LOVE- so my most favorite genre is of course love stories
> (guys you better get out of here, I think you call these
> 'chick-flicks). Sadly, most of these movies are mainly of the
> Caucasian-persuasion (characters) as we say around my way.
Well, MY favorite movie genre is...family! I love movies depicting,
books, sitcoms, etc. or anything really family oriented. Really, I
enjoy most films but if I had to pick a genre (at gunpoint) family it
is.
>
> > Mildred Pierce, (Can you say nightmare? Classic case of why not to
> > spoil your kid rotton and disregard responsibility, morals, values,
> > etc. Sad!)
>
> I doubt this would have escalated to the point that it did had not the
> mother lost the younger child. This really devastated her and, I
> think, helped escalate her obsession of her only living, surviving
> child, Vera . Great flick!
>
Please tell me why you hit on my most favorite part in the entire
movie! The scenes of Vera with her little tom-boy sister, were the
most touching for me.
>
> > Casablanca, 1942, (Enough said, right?) "Play it again, Sam."
> >
> Classic love story for sure but my favorite love movie is Samson and
> Delilah, 1949!! Now that was some love story. It had it all;
> unrequited love, rejection, betrayal, revenge; then, at the end of the
> movie, forgiveness and understanding. It was pure classic! My favorite
> scene is when Delilah stood before Samson as he came ''''round
Recall the part when Delilah's maiden pulls on her garment (yank,
yank) mind you: the entire -town- lay before them both amidst ashes
and fire and she (Delilah) has completely and emotionally engulfed
herself into her revenge speech. Delilah pauses and looks down as her
maiden utters something like, "And he called you a forked-tongue
dagger too!" Whew. I liked that part the best out of this entire
movie. Isn't that life for you. Always someone around to make
matters worse. Too, too funny.
> > The Way We Were, 1973 (Would you believe out of all the above listing
> > this film tops them all? I can see this movie over and over until I
> > croak and I won't grow tired of it. Packed with life lessons, full
> > of life and gusto. Nice working-class Jewish girl meets W.A.S.P.
> > rich-boy, so we all knew right from the start it was a match made in
> > heaven. ;)
>
This is my husband and I. Relatively same early backgrounds but
that's where the similarities end. Yes,, a screeching halt. I say
left, he says right. I say up, he says down. I say in, he says out.
I say,...well, you get the picture. What little girls says .I want to
grow up and marry someone as totally and completely and diametrically
opposed to me and who I am and what I stand for as I possibly can. Oh,
adding, ...and, I will search long and far until I find him, but I will
find him. Oh wait, I forgot the end, 'Then, I will marry him and
have a bunch of kids with him too.' (as you shake your head up and
down vigorously). Sure, that is exactly what I did. (let me stop, he
is adorable really... bless him!)
> scene in the restaurant when the little girl tells her father about a
> favorite book of hers that she was either actively reading or had just
> read. I really have no idea why the discussion of 'that fawn' had
> such an impact on me. No, I really do not. ; ST you would dig Bette
> Midler though since you are both Aries. Bet you didn't know that Ms.
> Smarty pants (sticking out tongue ;). But I like Bette Midler's
> style. She is a class act.
I have to say something here when you mention the words class act. It
does probably take one to know one. ST is one class act, to me, for
sure.
But since we are on the subject, there is this one scene that resembled
ST in the movie The Way We Were. Recall when Roosevelt had just died
and Hubble dragged Katie, per usual, to hang out with his pals (I
wonder why we never see any scenes in the movie of him hanging out with
her crowd?).
Anyway, they were laughing and busting up as each were taking jabs
saying a joke here and there about either the President or his wife.
They get to this part where they are all laughing really hard and
someone says a joke about when Mrs. Roosevelt went into the mines and
Katie explodes: "Yes, Mrs. Roosevelt went into the mines and when
she did, she said, "I am my husband's legs!" Then Katie rises
thrusting a fist in the air. The entire room fell silent as Hubble
ushered her quickly over to a corner for a good scolding. LOL. Katie
(like ST) sure knew how to break up a party. But it appeared by the
end of the movie Katie had it all together too. Hubble was, yep
himself, Hubble.
>
> The Heiress 1949, (Same with this one; loved, loved, loved it!! The
> end was superb! My mom and I have a bet that she later contacted him
> and they married and had plenty kids. I say the very next day. My mom
> thinks no. Saying her father saw to it that this would never happen
> with his comment to his daughter 'after-when I'm gone'. But she
> was classic with her come-back remark. "You'll never know, will
> you father?" Holding his gaze steadily with her own. I enjoyed how
> she realized finally that this man (her father) never really liked her
I have to stop after this one or else I will never finish this.
Obviously I did not get this one at all. But I don't think many
little girls could get this one. Why was he constantly and
continuously comparing that poor thing to her mother. Why did he keep
on and on with that? It is virtually impossible to be any one else but
who you are. He was a doctor yet he did not know that. Grrrrrr! I
wanted to reach through the television and kill him for her! Not only
that but he had one amazing daughter on so many amazing levels and he
never even knew it. Awful.
This is why I am so very convinced that he probably picked-up on the
fact that Monty Cliff's character actually loved his daughter. He
didn't want her to be happy. Even she knew this. "If you
couldn't love me, why didn't you let someone who could love me?
You thought that just because you find me boring he must too." What
he was doing to her subconscious was very cruel. But, families are far
from perfect. They have problems, ups and downs and this and that.
Gotta love 'em. They are our families...
I will list my 1st. favorite family movie and maybe everyone else's
favorite too. It's a Wonderful Life, 1946. I could see this movie a
billion times and never tire of its beauty. Never, ever. I doubt this
is possible.
Imitation of Life, 1934, Yep. The earliest version. Completely
heart-wrenching to the very, very end. The later versions were far
from shabby either.
The Wizard of OZ, 1939, I watch this without failure each year. I
would watch it more it they showed it more.
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, 1954, Need I say more? Do I really
have to explain why I like this movie? Do I? Sure, why not.
Everything, every song, every stunt, everything. They really should
pass a law that if you die without seeing this movie, they really must
literally dig you back up and make you watch it. It is that good. My
best scene: Near the end when the men are missing their women and it
is snowing (or had snowed?) and they sing this song while cutting wood
and doing other chores. That scene touches me deeply each and every
time b/c it is so genuine and romantic to watch them. (Scenes like
these always remind me of when I was little too w/all the snow)
Like the ending on Valley of the Dolls when she is walking through some
woods or forest. That reminds me a lot of when I was little too. The
trees in Rochester are so tall (esp. when you are a little kid) and no
matter the season, it is picturesque scenery like those old-fashioned
puzzles with a billion pieces. I wonder if there is anyone still doing
those. My mother loved doing these puzzles. I would definitely go
absolutely and completely InSanE doing something like this, with a
billion tiny pieces and shapes. But she would sit for hours, picking
and choosing: is it this one (holding it closely to her eyes) , no,
she would place it back, this one, no...this went on for a long while.
Suddenly, you hear a loud piercing scream like someone being stabbed,
it was my Mom having found a matching puzzle piece after about five
hours of hunting among the piles of pieces.
The Ten Commandments, 1956,...Same...Each and every year without
failure. There were many love stories intertwined in this movie along
with a strong family theme too. A mother's love for her child (both
the sender and receiver), two lovers maybe perfect for each other if
perhaps another place, another time, conflicts due to a son not
receiving the love he needed from a father, conflicts of a life-mission
or societal responsibility versus individual responsibility to self.
No film could ever match all that.
My favorite scene is where Pharaoh (Yul Brynner) gives Moses the okay
(after plague, cessation of water, first-born deaths, etc.). Moses
(Charlton Heston) turns and slowly as he proceeds to his exit from the
room saying as he walks, "...we will go, we will go with our young
and our old, with our women and our children, we will go, we will go
with our.... The Pharaoh is silent watching him with a look of
complete astonishment on his face. The look seemed to be saying,
"dude tripping hard!" I love that scene.
The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, 1969, This is my second to the last
favorite. I listed my most favorite last. This is second to last.
Okay, stop laughing. Am I too obvious or what? I can not pick a
favorite scene, no I can not. Like a mother says regarding her kids, I
love them all equally ;. The song for this movie always made me cry
whenever I heard it. Even hearing it without words will cause this
too. I have this thing with crying as I do with laughing.
Everything these two were in Sidney Poitier, Bill Cosby which
included...
Uptown Saturday Night, 1974 Let's Do It Again, 1975, A Piece of the
Action, 1977. They were hilarious together.
Freaky Friday, 1977, The Original with Jodie Foster, Again the big
sister, little brother theme I liked best. But I enjoyed the
mom/daughter element throughout the entire movie, big time. For once,
I was actually pleasantly surprised with the newer release. Very well
done on all levels (2003). How nice when you expect the worst and get
the total opposite.
Which Way Is Up, 1977, That man (Richard Pryor) was a genius!
The Wiz, 1978, Love this one as much as the first and the strange thing
is that they were decades apart in being made. I am a musical movie
child too. I love them. Each one in this movie was amazing. The song
that Diana Ross sings, I think is called Home. "When I Think Of
Home...." It makes me cry sometimes when I hear it, I like it just
that much.
The Color Purple, 1985,...This is what we jokingly in my circle call
the black movie. Every black person in America probably knows this
movie backwards and forwards. Yes, (exhale) I too am a happy victim.
Beloved 1998...Everyone who knows me knows that Oprah is one of my
favorites. Why not? Oprah loves me too. Uhm,..well, I mean, she
loves teachers. I really enjoyed the acting of the young woman
(Kimberly Elise) who plays her daughter. She's good.
Set It Off, 1996....Copying Bamma, that is why this comes to mind next.
There is some superb acting throughout this movie. Superb. Of
course, that scene where Jada goes to bed with that guy for her little
brother's education resonated with me. I would have done the same
exact thing (yeah right!).
Again...copying...Saving my most favorite for last. PEYTONE PLACE,
1957, I am like my Dad here. Just hearing the letter p used in a
sentence causes my heart to skip a beat. This is MY movie and nobody
else can have it. No one!
Is a single character not ''represented''?? You had them all
in this movie..
Good Girl, Alison McKenzie a.k.a., Impressionable Idealist, h.s. senior
editor, lover of words (my favorite character!)
Bad Girl, Betty
Best Friend, Selena
Other Side of Tracks But Smart w/Ambitions Boy, Ted Connor (Selena's
boyfriend)
Rich Boy, Rodney Harrington
Privileged, Mr. Harrington (town Mayor)
Prude, Mrs. McKenzie
Town Gossip, ?? (let that be a lesson to you all!)
School Principle, Mr. Rossi
Mama's Boy, Norman
School Teacher, Essie Thornton (of course, I knew her name!)
School Custodian, Mr. Cross
Housekeeper, Mrs. Cross
Town Physician. Dr. Swain (I think..)
The movie was apparently ahead of its' time having to deal with issues
undoubtedly of a large magnitude for one film with incest, rape,
illegitimate birth, scandals, illicit affairs. That's a lot for one
movie in those days ; And magnificently they handled it all without
deluding any of the subject matters. One of those movies you die
loving no matter how old. On top of all this even the scenery was the
type I love most.
> > But yet I can't wait to see that new Mel Gibson movie.
> >
>
> Me either!
>
> That was way fun, a very nice temporary distraction!!! Yes Ben, thank
> you sir.
>
That was fun. But as everyone knows, I turn fun (laughter) into
everything. Some people like it (enjoy) this quality while others find
it excruciatingly annoying. I think it is because these particular
times they may have designated for me to be serious. Yes, eventually
they do give up.
I have a best friend who is just like me. I love to tell people that
she and I have been thrown out of the best of places. Not because we
were drunk, on drugs, stealing, lying, fighting or doing anything even
remotely similar. I bet you are really curious now. It is because we
were laughing. Yes, laughing. Yeah, I kid you not. She is the only
person I know like me. She will find humor in an ant. I was lucky
that I found her (grammar school) and luckier still to still have her
in my world.
But do not feel sorry for me, please because I learned a valuable
lesson. Lesson: 'Laugh and the world does NOT always laugh with
you.' (Snicker!)
Love you crazy-girl wherever you are tonight. ...
Happy Holidays Everyone!
**Peace and Good Cheer To All of Us**
SometimesSane
>
> Looks as if I've been missing all the fun, I am doing what I want to
> do this evening. These people (family) are not working me to the
> ground this year, this time of year or any other time of any other
> year! No. In my home, it is strictly a democracy. Translation:
You and me both; so what else is new? ; Happy New Year!
> Again...copying...Saving my most favorite for last. PEYTONE PLACE ,
> 1957, I am like my Dad here. Just hearing the letter p used in a
> sentence causes my heart to skip a beat. This is MY movie and nobody
> else can have it. No one!
>
Uhm, we may have to flip a coin on this one! One of my favorites
too...
> Is a single character not ''represented''?? You had them all
> in this movie..
>
> Good Girl, Alison McKenzie a.k.a., Impressionable Idealist, h.s. senior
> editor, lover of words (my favorite character!)
Ali was cool. I will bestow her this character's role, no problems
here.
> Bad Girl, Betty
However, Bad-Girl Betty was my favorite character. Just something
about her (like Selena's step-father said when Doc paid that jerk a
fatal farewell!) that really moved me. Naturally I am referring to the
character Betty and not the label, per se. But her skills went above
and beyond her age and her times. You have got to pay homage to that
if nothing else.
Now that I think about it though another woman I heard about recently
accomplished same. Almost, but I guess the judge is still out on this
one. One of the wires said if Anna Nicole Smith wins, her battle will
be the precedent set for that type of lawsuit. Her lawsuit will be
what every legalese consults to proceed. Then the reporter added,
...."not bad for an ex-stripper." I cracked up.
> Prude, Mrs. McKenzie
Mrs. McKenzie is my runner up. I recall her winning a nomination for
this role and I think her performance also helped jump-start her
career. Lana Turner was 37 y/o when the movie was made. A little
Hollywood gossip I recall (don't bite my head off people if I am
wrong). But I think Lana Turner's daughter was on trial (don't
know the year) for killing her mother's mobster-lover. I know, true
old-school Hollywood drama. In any event, the daughter was found
not-guilty and life as they all knew it, resumed. This same daughter
today has a restaurant somewhere in L.A.
I loved when Mrs. McKenzie showed up at Mr. Rossi's place when she
heard he may leave town to accept another job in another state. Notice
how she wore a beautiful red dress. Boy, did she ever fill out that
dress (elegant hour-glass style)... LOL! Mr. Rossi was putty in her
hands. I still wonder whether it was her last confession that best got
to him or her dress.
Aren't women prudes if they don't and prostitutes if they do?
Kate Millett
Men always fall for frigid women because they put on the best show.
Fanny Brice
Bambi
Thank U! One of those little thangs that will jab at you until you
know the answer. I appreciate you putting me out of my misery.
>
> HTH
>
But now I'm stuck back in the hole again. What are these initials?
I'm clueless... ;)
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like
being taught.
Winston Churchill
mmu...@crowleylamb.com
> >SometimesSane wrote:
>
> I will list my 1st. favorite family movie and maybe everyone else's
> favorite too. It's a Wonderful Life, 1946. I could see this movie a
> billion times and never tire of its beauty. Never, ever. I doubt this
> is possible.
>
definitely killed himself by jumping into that water if Clarence did
not come down and save him from himself basically. Since George had no
clue that he had A Wonderful Life until this angel (Clarence) came to
earth to show him that it would be a shame to throw it all away. Oh and
also to never forget that No Man Is A Failure Who Has Friends. I love
this movie too!
> > Good Girl, Alison McKenzie a.k.a., Impressionable Idealist, h.s. senior
> > editor, lover of words (my favorite character!)
>
> Ali was cool. I will bestow her this character's role, no problems
> here.
>
She really played her part really well too.
> > Bad Girl, Betty
>
> However, Bad-Girl Betty was my favorite character. Just something
> about her (like Selena's step-father said when Doc paid that jerk a
> fatal farewell!) that really moved me. Naturally I am referring to the
> character Betty and not the label, per se. But her skills went above
> and beyond her age and her times. You have got to pay homage to that
> if nothing else.
>
How true. I was watching the auditions to my favorite musical and I
noticed that most of the women during auditions in the first city was
mostly singing Ritzo's <sp?> song There Are Worst Things I Could Do.
Ritzo really played her part in that movie too. Everyone adored Sandy
but mostly everyone admired Ritzo. Like you said, couldn't really put
your finger on it, just something about her that drew you into her
character.
> > Prude, Mrs. McKenzie
>
> Mrs. McKenzie is my runner up. I recall her winning a nomination for
> this role and I think her performance also helped jump-start her
> career. Lana Turner was 37 y/o when the movie was made. A little
> Hollywood gossip I recall (don't bite my head off people if I am
> wrong). But I think Lana Turner's daughter was on trial (don't
> know the year) for killing her mother's mobster-lover. I know, true
> old-school Hollywood drama. In any event, the daughter was found
> not-guilty and life as they all knew it, resumed. This same daughter
> today has a restaurant somewhere in L.A.
>
Straight-up? That is real Hollywood drama.
> I loved when Mrs. McKenzie showed up at Mr. Rossi's place when she
> heard he may leave town to accept another job in another state. Notice
> how she wore a beautiful red dress. Boy, did she ever fill out that
> dress (elegant hour-glass style)... LOL! Mr. Rossi was putty in her
> hands. I still wonder whether it was her last confession that best got
> to him or her dress.
>
>
Like John Travolta's character when he saw Sandy's transformation. I
think in the end, the outfit is everything. At the end of the Grease
movie Sandy had morphed into Ritzo's clothes. Sandy guessed correctly
that she needed what Ritzo had (courage).
Betty was right. I will never forget what Betty told Allison, Selena
and another girl at Mrs. McKenzie's dress shop that afternoon. "A good
dress can do more for a girl than the entire Encyclopedia Britannica."
Mrs. McKenzie could not stand Betty. LOL. Recall how she tried to get
her daughter to not invite Betty to her birthday party? "I don't like
the way she talks about men." Mrs. McKenzie had Betty's number for
sure. Mrs. McKenzie knew Betty all too well, using what she had to her
advantage.
Hate The Sin, Not The Sinner
My Congregation ;
Bambi
> > > KC wrote:
>
> Now that I think about it though another woman I heard about recently
> accomplished same. Almost, but I guess the judge is still out on this
> one. One of the wires said if Anna Nicole Smith wins, her battle will
> be the precedent set for that type of lawsuit. Her lawsuit will be
> what every legalese consults to proceed. Then the reporter added,
Rather hard to believe that she is gone. Life really is too short!
"The difference between a smart person and a wise person is that a
smart person knows what to say
and a wise person knows whether or not to say it." -- Quote found on
the wall of a recreation center
office in Berkeley, California.