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Syd

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Dec 1, 2006, 3:06:47 PM12/1/06
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Syd wrote:
> BENJ...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > SometimesSane wrote:
> >
> > Here is the solution! We want to immediately turn a blind eye to
> > justice and proclaim that no, there is nothing at all wrong with these
> > areas. They are just fine as they are. What on earth are you talking
> > about crazy person? Yes, this is pure evil. I hated this. It is
> >
>
>
Hey buddy, if it talks evil, walks evil and acts evil - - it is pure
unabridged e-v-i-l.

We must all remember that we are living in an Age of the Great
Hypocrisy. TPTB proclaim one theory while they carefully and callously
do another.

I mean really. Did they really need Courtney (or anyone) to tell them
to stop enabling the harm\influencing of our children, esp. minority
children? Uh, no. Common sense tells you that! Did they need Oprah
to voice her immense concern over the rights of innocent child who are
sexually abused? No. Common sense should have kicked in decades ago
here as well. How about Oprah's Show on the scandalous plight of our
Nation's public school system? Duh! Of course not.

Did we need Courtney (w/an author's help) to tell anyone with a brain
that this society must put the feminine back into it? Who was Courtney
talking about respecting and loving more.....potted plants, lamp poles?
No! Court was talking about our mothers, grandmothers, daughters,
sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins and friends. Yet, did you see the
response she got? My God!

Again, common sense, common decency should have automatically dictated
this. But it didn't. We must ask ourselves why this is. There is a
reason to this as it is to everything.


> > That's why I stopped coming here. Why match wits with idiots,
> > really. Why bother with that? If you lay down with dogs you get up
> > with flees.
>
I know right!

Syd

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Dec 1, 2006, 3:36:46 PM12/1/06
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SometimesSane wrote:
> mmu...@crowleylamb.com wrote:
>
>
> > They don't have to worry about our family watching that racist
> > garbage 'Everybody Hates Chris'. I had enough when that red-headed
> > kid gave the black kid that Birth of a Nation tape. I've had it! I
>
>
I'm way ahead of you here girl. I think it was me (I am unsure) who
first mentioned this Everybody Hates Chris so-called comedy fiasco. I
stopped watching quite early. Do you want to know when? No problem.
I will tell you. I stopped watching when that red-haired kid called
that little kid Chris a Nigger. This happened in the first few
episodes.

That is right. They let this occur on national television And, it did
occur on national television. And guess what occurred next? Nothing
that is what. No one said a peep. That is why I spoke up. Someone
must have the courage to put a stop to all this madness which we put a
blanket on for the public and rename rather shamelessly albeit boldly
......."comedy"... To which I say, "Ain't that a b*tch!?" That is
some nerve!

I sat there that day with my mouth hanging wide open.

The little kid Chris flippantly said something stupid back like, "Oh,
I'll let him get away with that this time." I think he said this
although I can not recall exactly but it was something similarly
uncouth. It so angered and appalled me at the time that my mind
blocked most of it out. Thank God!!!

SometimesSane

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Dec 1, 2006, 3:41:26 PM12/1/06
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BENJ...@hotmail.com

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Dec 1, 2006, 3:48:27 PM12/1/06
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Syd wrote:


> Hey buddy, if it talks evil, walks evil and acts evil - - it is pure
> unabridged e-v-i-l.
>
> We must all remember that we are living in an Age of the Great
> Hypocrisy.

Righto mate. So, what you are saying is that no one should be
surprised when they do such evil. We should only be surprised when
they do something kind and decent. That is when we should all really
be shocked and awed.

I personally take particular notice when they start all their preaching
about religion. What a farce. Anyone with a brain can see through
this. Most Americans and most Europeans are not really that religious.
This is hardly a secret either. Religion to most Americans and
Europeans is like a costume. We all know what a costume is. You put a
costume on, and, (when you are done perpetrating) you take the costume
off. I recall a very intelligent Jewish theologian telling us kids in
grammar school that if it (religion) doesn't dramatically change you,
then it is not religion. Plain and simple. When you are truly
religious you not only talk the talk; but, you walk the walk! No
if's, ands or buts about it.

Classic example is the policy: No Child Left Behind

Oprah showed everyone that definitely millions of our youth are
what...left behind!

These people must truly believe the garbage they spew. How else can
you say one thing and then turn around and do something else entirely?
It just does not make any sense. Not to the American citizen who
utilizes the mind for thinking; it does not add up.

Courtney

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Dec 1, 2006, 4:36:45 PM12/1/06
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Courtney wrote:
> mmu...@crowleylamb.com wrote:
>
> > They don't have to worry about our family watching that racist
> > garbage 'Everybody Hates Chris'. I had enough when that red-headed
> > kid gave the black kid that Birth of a Nation tape. I've had it! I
> > now monitor everything that goes into my two sons and one daughter's
> > brain. I no longer leave them alone for hours and hours thinking that
> > they are just watching harmless t.v. Not anymore I don't. Logic
>
Thank you for your kind and wise words.

Fortunately, my husband and I don't experience these problems since we
have no cable television. This dramatically cuts down the sewage
seeping into our home. While I am sure the day will soon come when
they will figure out a way where television is no longer free for
anyone. I am sure because money is the main driving force in this
capitalist society. Make no mistake. The evidence is all around us.
Profit and more profit and more profit at any and all costs and, by any
means necessary!

My Dad who is well in his 80's (yet looks decades younger) always
termed television, "the idiot box". Mind you, this was at a time when
Americans were running like crazy into the various stores for that tiny
black and white set which eventually became techni-colored. I
remember this phrase which preceded HDTV, Plasma, etc.

It didn't matter though because my Dad didn't buy into any of this. He
believed that it was corrupt and this he would tell us often. He would
make us turn off the television and read instead. Of course my
brothers and I hated him for this. Not because he told us to 'go
read' but because he would do this smack in the middle of a season
premier or a season finale. My Dad didn't care what the heck was on,
he cut it off as soon as he came home. We were sure the man was crazy!


Years later, we all learned in college that he was right on the money.
Strange for a man with little education to come to such a conclusion.
My brothers and I all laugh about this today.

I grew up surrounded by all boys (6) and today, I am still surrounded
by them three (3) boys and my husband. Certainly 'He' (God) knew what
he is doing. He must have felt I would need that environment for my
adult years and yes he was right, I did.

I watch television but not like an addiction. And I never just turn it
on like a radio for sound or to drown out sounds. I have something
specific to watch and I watch it. When I'm done, I turn it off. My
boys do the same.

My sons, ages 14, 11 and 9 don't usually have any problems with this. I
say usually because the little one (there is usually one in the bunch)
does tend to complain somewhat. He just cannot seem to get 'why' his
parents won't pay for cable. He feels he's missing out. He feels
deprived. I told him that in our home his parent's law is supreme.
And that he should wait until he grows up and has kids and then let
them rule him but until that day, Dad and I rule. By the look on his
face, I could tell that this would never happen.

You should have seen the look on his face when I said this. This kid
is so amazingly smart and I am careful not to crush his spirit too much
since I feel he will be a formidable young man one day and I don't want
to hurt that progress. So I try to appease to his logic which
sometimes works and sometimes does not work.

My other two boys hardly ever question his parents. But this
one..ooooooh!!!!

Bambi

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Dec 1, 2006, 5:28:15 PM12/1/06
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Courtney wrote:
>
> Fortunately, my husband and I don't experience these problems since we
> have no cable television. This dramatically ..

So you missed that Blue Mosque the other day. It was gorgeous. The
most magnificent structure my two eyes have ever seen.


> I grew up surrounded by all boys (6) and today, I am still surrounded
> by them three (3) boys and my husband. Certainly 'He' (God) knew what
> he is doing. He must have felt I would need that environment for my
> adult years and yes he was right, I did.
>

I will readily admit to anyone that I had a very 'charmed' and
sheltered life while growing up. I have been very blessed and I know
it too. I am an only child. After numerous miscarriages I came into
being. I understand that the pregnancy was more coveted than the birth
of Jesus! ;-)

My parents both came from humongous families: Mother is one of 14 and
my Father is one of 11. I have heard that individuals who come from
large families either have large families also or just one child. I
don't think my parents planned on having just one kid but I was all
they ended up with. They provided me with the very best of everything
their small incomes could afford, education, recreation, you name it.
I never wanted for anything and if I did and voiced it, miraculously
the item appeared the very next day. I kid you not.

Naturally, it goes without saying that my education was far from one
which was strictly European. I was deliberately (as they say) taught
in reverse. I was taught my ethnicity first (African) and then I was
taught European or given an education on American history, European
history, etc. They said since we obviously lived in America, sure, why
not. These two are something. If you met them you would agree with me
here. They tell me that in every which way they fought for me tooth
and nail. I have no reason to disbelieve them. They say they fought
for the very best for my brain especially. The best, they rave! I
genuinely appreciate them for this. I do.

I benefited greatly due to them. Today, I still do since I live at
home in the very house I was raised (unmarried/no kids). I was not the
'lonely-only' however as the child psychologists term us. I had
literally hundreds of cousins and they were in and out of our house
like a revolving door. They were my siblings and we were all raised as
siblings. In other words, I'm saying that they (my many, many
cousins) did not 'hate' on me - - for what I had and they did not
have. Even though it was obvious that I was the most blessed cousin
out of the bunch.

My parents and Aunts and Uncles raised us all to love and support one
another. So, we were really lucky kids, all of us. I see this now.
But my parents always told me this: "To whom much is given, much is
expected!" They told me I was special and privileged but that there
was for a reason. As a kid I was clueless about what this meant. And,
yes, I can get selfish and self-absorbed but I fight this hard each and
every day.

When I was a teenager I was a true-blue rebel. I actually was a total
terror in the extremist sense. I guess no teenager escapes the turmoil
of these years. The older I became though I understood more and more
like most people, I'm sure. I learned mostly how to give back. I
learned 'why' I was so blessed. Like you said, Court, He knows
what He is doing and it so very purposeful. Yes, it is true. The
majority of Black folk know and believe this. So as I grew up into
adulthood I learned to use my powers for good and not evil. I learned
how to properly serve my community but mainly I was raised to serve my
own kind first and foremost. That is how I was raised. May God Bless
Good Parents Everywhere! I sure thank Him for mine. I do, I do!!

Bambi

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Dec 1, 2006, 5:38:22 PM12/1/06
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Fresh in today from one of my numerous cousins. Again, too good to not
share!

Hi, this is so beautiful. What happened to us as Black people, and
especially Black women today?

Love you!
Tina
Nuwabian Queen

Bring Back Real Black Mommas We need them now more than ever!!

OLD SCHOOL BLACK MOMMAS

There used to be a time when Black children were the best behaved
children in the world, now look at them.

Time out my foot!!!

1. Have you ever been called downstairs from upstairs or the back of
the house, or from the front of the house to get the remote, change the
channel, or bring her a glass of ice water?

2. Have you ever been hit with an extension cord, a switch, or the
nearest shoe?

3. Have you ever had to pick your own switch off the tree and she sent
you back because the one you picked was too little?


4. Have you ever been burned on your ear with a straightening comb?

5. Have you ever been hit in the head or knuckles with a comb or hair
brush?


6. Have you ever been told to "Shut up or I'll give you something to
cry about while she beats you with a belt ~ pronouncing every
syllable, "Did-n't---I---tell----you---not---to-do--!--- That---no ---
more?!"

7. Your ponytails or plaits were so tight, you got those little bumps
around you scalp.


8. The white people in the school office (principal, secretary, etc)
were afraid of her?

9. You were scared to go home when you had a bad report card?


10. Alcohol, peroxide, cocoa butter, and Vaseline were the main items
in the bathroom cabinet. ...And that red hot water bottle hanging
behind the bathroom door?

11. You were never "on punishment" - just got whooping right out of the
shower.

12. Have you ever been pinched for going to sleep in church?

13. She made you participate in every church activity (choir, Sunday
school, Jr. Usher Board, Easter play, Christmas play, etc.)?

14. Has she ever come inside and picked you up from school dance in
hair rollers and her gown or pajamas on under her coat?

15. When you ask her for something, her response was... "You got a
job?"

16. Have you ever been beaten for something your brother or sister
did just because you were around?

17. She vacuums everyday just so the carpet can have lines in it

18. Have you ever been told to turn off the TV, get off the phone, or
sit down and be quiet when it's storming outside because the Lord was
doing His work?

19. Friends, family and friends of the family try to keep you out of
trouble because they know your mother and how she is?

20. You were afraid to call the child abuse hotline (because you
weren't allowed to use the phone without her permission)?

21. She had to talk to God... "Lord, please don't let me hurt this
child!!!" before she gives you a whipping.

22. You knew NOT to talk about what went on in your house with anybody
(other family members, friends, school authority, etc), because you
were told, "What goes on in this house, stays in this house!!!" If
you can relate to any of these things, then pass this on to ALL your
friends and see if they can relate to ..."KNOWING THAT THEY HAD A
BEAUTIFUL BLACK MOTHER, WHO DIDN'T TAKE NO MESS WHEN THEY WERE GROWING
UP!"

GOD BLESS OUR BEAUTIFUL BLACK GRANDMAS, MAMAS, AUNTS, SISTAHS,
NIECES, GIRLFRIENDS, and COUSINS.....

Sojourner Truth

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Dec 7, 2006, 10:11:34 AM12/7/06
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BENJ...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Syd wrote:
>
> > Hey buddy, if it talks evil, walks evil and acts evil - - it is pure
> > unabridged e-v-i-l.
> >
> These people must truly believe the garbage they spew. How else can
> you say one thing and then turn around and do something else entirely?
> It just does not make any sense. Not to the American citizen who
> utilizes the mind for thinking; it does not add up.

Yes, yes, yes, gentlemen. I see this too. Boys will be boys, right?
Uh, no, I am not buying this and I will tell you why I am not buying
into any of this.

I don't buy it because we are discussing society's finest men!

These men have been schooled properly. In fact, these men, or so we
were all told, come from America's elitist homes, educations,
vacations - - sports of all kinds, sports of the sort that an ordinary
citizen has never even heard of. So what is the problem? Why can't
they figure this out?

Help was provided to them. No really. I read it. They actually were
instructed about how to conduct themselves. I have read what the very
men these guys proclaim to worship said. Unfortunately, they did not
listen to them either.

We (society) know what they say. And, we (society) see what they do.

Now, let's take a look at what they were told to do by 'their'
forefathers, the very people they supposedly love, respect and admire.

//Golden Rules\\

Golden Rule by CONFUCIUS, 500 B.C. "Do unto another what you would
have him do unto you, and do not to another what you would not have him
do unto you. Thou needest this law alone. It is the foundation of all
the rest."

Golden Rule by ARISTOTLE, 385 B.C. "We should conduct ourselves
toward others as we would have them act toward us."

Golden Rule by PITTACUS, 650 B.C. "Do not to your neighbor what you
would take ill from."

Golden Rule by THALES, 464 B.C. "Avoid doing what you would blame
others for doing."

Golden Rule by ISOCRATES, 338 B.C. "Act toward others as you desire
them to act toward you."

Golden Rule by ARISIPPUS, 365 B.C. "Cherish reciprocal benevolence,
which will make you as anxious for another's welfare as your own."

Golden Rule by SEXTUS, a PYTHAGOREAN, 406, B.C. "What you wish your
neighbors to be to you, such be also to them."

Golden Rule by HILLEL, 50 B.C. "Do not to others what you would not
like others to do to you."

Had enough? Naturally you see what I meant earlier. Now, take a look at
what their forefathers told them in regards to enemies.

o+.Love And Kind Treatment of Enemies.+o

"Treat thine enemy as though a friend, and he will become thy
friend." PUBLIUS SYRUS

2. "Desire not the death of thine enemy." CONFUCIOUS

3. "Acknowledge benefits, but never revenge injuries." (Ibid.)

4. "We may dislike an enemy without desiring revenge." (Ibid.)

5. "Pardon the offenses of others, but never your own." PUBLIUS
SYRUS

6. "The noble spirit cures injustice by forgiving it." (Ibid.)

7. "It is much better to be injured than to kill a man."
PYTHAGORAS

8. "You can accomplish by kindness what you cannot by force."
PUBLIUS SYRUS

9. "Better to overlook an injury than avenge it." (Ibid.)

10. "It is enough to think ill of an enemy without avenging it."
(Ibid.)

11. "It is a kingly spirit to return good deeds for evil ones."
(Ibid.)

12. "To revenge yourself on an enemy, make him your friend."
PYTHAGORAS

13. "It is not permitted to a man who has received an injury to
revenge it by doing another." (SOCRATES, IN HIS CRITO.)

14. "Return not evil for evil." (SOCRATES)

15. "Endure all things if you would serve God." SEXTUS

16. "Desire to be able to benefit your enemies" (Ibid.)

17. "Receive an injury rather than do one." PUBLIUS SYRUS

18. "He doubly benefits the needy who gives quickly." (Ibid.)

19. "Better be ignorant of a matter than half know it." (Ibid.)

20. "Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm." (Ibid.)

21. "A good reputation is more valuable than money." (Ibid.)

22. "A fair exterior is a silent recommendation." (Ibid.)

23. "You should not live one way in private, another in public."
(Ibid.)

24. "We must give lengthy deliberation to what has to be decided
once and for all." (Ibid.)

25. "A suspicious mind always looks on the black side of things."
(Ibid.)

26. "Admonish thy friends in secret, praise them openly." (Ibid.)

27. "An angry man is again angry with himself when he returns to
reason." (Ibid.)

28. "Count not him among your friends who will retail your privacies
to the world." (Ibid.)

29. "Depend not on fortune, but on conduct." (Ibid.)

30. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it."
(Ibid.)

31. "How unhappy is he who cannot forgive himself." (Ibid.)

32. "If you refuse where you have always granted you invite to
theft." (Ibid.)

33. "In a heated argument we are apt to lose sight of the truth."
(Ibid.)

34. "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." (Ibid.)

35. "Be at war with men's vices, but at peace with their
persons." (Ibid.)

36. "It is folly to punish your neighbor by fire when you live next
door." (Ibid.)

37. "It is more tolerable to be refused than deceived." (Ibid.)

38. "It is no profit to have learned well, if you neglect to do
well." (Ibid.)

39. "Learn to see in another's calamity the ills which you should
avoid." (Ibid.)

40. "Look to be treated by others as you have treated others."
(Ibid.)

41. "Never promise more than you can perform." (Ibid.)

42. "Ready tears are a sign of treachery, not of grief." (Ibid.)

43. "Cultivate friendship for an enemy." PITTACUS

44. "Be kind to your friends that they may continue so, and to your
enemies that they may become so." (Ibid.)

45. "Prevent injuries if possible; if not, do not revenge them."
(Ibid.)

46. "An enemy should not be hated, but cured." SENECA

47. "To act unkindly toward an enemy will increase his hate."
ANTONIUS

48. "Be everybody kind and friendly." (Ibid.)

49. "Speak evil of no one, not even your enemies." PITTACUS

50. "Let no man be offended with those who are angry at him, but
reply gently to those who curse him." (Code of Menu)

51. "Let him endure injuries, and despise no one." (Ibid.)

52. "Commit no hostile action for your own preservation." (Ibid.)

53. "To be revenged on enemies, become more virtuous." (DIOGENES)

54. "To strike a man, or vex him with words, is a sin."
(ZEND-AVESTA, PERSIAN BIBLE)

55. "Even the intention to strike is a sin." (Ibid.)

You see? Therefore, it should be observed that love and kindness toward
all mankind, both friends and enemies, is not confined to the teachings
of Christ or to the Christian religion, as many have erroneously
supposed, but is unquestionably a natural sentiment of the moral
instinct or moral impulses of the human mind.


"I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up
and be a critic."
-Richard Pryor, Guardian Unlimited (UK) August 9, 2004

"I have often regretted my speech, never my silence."
-Publilius Syrus, Maxims

SometimesSane

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Dec 7, 2006, 10:27:41 AM12/7/06
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Syd wrote:
> > >
> Did we need Courtney (w/an author's help) to tell anyone with a brain
> that this society must put the feminine back into it? Who was Courtney
> talking about respecting and loving more.....potted plants, lamp poles?
> No! Court was talking about our mothers, grandmothers, daughters,
> sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins and friends. Yet, did you see the

>

Stop playing. You know as well as I do that if you are not young and
dumb in America as a women you are not paid ...(quite frankly) any
attention at all. That is not only demeaning but stupid.

Stupid because men expect you to love them no matter what they look
like; fat, skinny, tall short, wise or stupid...broke or rich. But
they have the audacity to turn around and expect you to look and be
everything they are not or else you do not exist to men. (...that's
the demeaning part...)

Sojourner Truth

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Dec 7, 2006, 10:44:50 AM12/7/06
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SometimesSane wrote:

>
> Stupid because men expect you to love them no matter what they look
> like; fat, skinny, tall short, wise or stupid...broke or rich. But
> they have the audacity to turn around and expect you to look and be
> everything they are not or else you do not exist to men. (...that's
> the demeaning part...)

That's true but I ain't mad at them on this score. I will tolerate
your income but never and I mean never your stupidity. This I can not
under any circumstances tolerate. Sorry, I just can not do it.

And I'm in my 30's (and, like most women of my ethnicity look like a
teenager) but I don't like old men either. No way. So don't think
that if you have tons of money there are women out there dying to get
with you b/c it ain't true. Yes, gentlemen, this erroneous idea is a
figment in your fragile egos and imaginations. L

Like my daddy's favorite comedian, Moms Mabley once said, "Can't no old
man do nuthin for me, but show me where a young one at!"

http://home.earthlink.net/~dianska/mabley.htm

So I feel them on this one. But not all that other b-s. I leave all
that other gibberish strictly to the irrational asses they belong.

Be a craftsman in speech that thou mayest be strong, for the strength
of one is the tongue, and speech is mightier than all fighting.
-Maxims of Ptahhotep, 3400 B.C.

Syd

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Dec 7, 2006, 7:01:11 PM12/7/06
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SometimesSane wrote:


> Stupid because men expect you to love them no matter what they look
> like; fat, skinny, tall short, wise or stupid...broke or rich. But
> they have the audacity to turn around and expect you to look and be
> everything they are not or else you do not exist to men. (...that's
> the demeaning part...)

You are not to be aroused by grandma in a sexual manner. If you do
I'm sure granny may be more than happy (provided it is consensual) or
perhaps possibly 'the happiest.' Much older women are extremely
insightful. That is how we should look at them. I look at much older
women as guides to help me better maneuver through all this madness.

This is the same view we hold for much older men in this country. We
look to much older men as wiser and full of wisdom for us all. If we
can look upon much older men in this way it should not be such a
stretch of the imagination to include much older women within this same
category.

Syd

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Dec 7, 2006, 7:15:20 PM12/7/06
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Sojourner Truth wrote:

> That's true but I ain't mad at them on this score. I will tolerate
> your income but never and I mean never your stupidity. This I can not
> under any circumstances tolerate. Sorry, I just can not do it.
>

That and injustice, right? I have noticed that inequality troubles you
as well (as it should anyone with a heart-beat).

>
>
> Be a craftsman in speech that thou mayest be strong, for the strength
> of one is the tongue, and speech is mightier than all fighting.
> -Maxims of Ptahhotep, 3400 B.C.

You also have an amazing talent. How on earth do you accumulate such
information? I mean really. HOw?

Sojourner Truth

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Dec 7, 2006, 8:11:40 PM12/7/06
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Syd wrote:
> >
> That and injustice, right? I have noticed that inequality troubles you
>
True. That completely burns my butt.

> >
> >
> > Be a craftsman in speech that thou mayest be strong, for the strength
> > of one is the tongue, and speech is mightier than all fighting.
> > -Maxims of Ptahhotep, 3400 B.C.
>
> You also have an amazing talent. How on earth do you accumulate such
> information? I mean really. HOw?

Are you trying to make a Black woman blush? Fine, mission
accomplished. ;

I obtained a M.A. in Social Philosophy in L.A. I don't mean to toot
my own horn but I actually maintained honors in both undergrad and
graduate level. My father passed away when I was in my teens but I
think he would be very proud of me had he lived. Suffice it to say
that it was enough gratification to see the look on Caucasian faces day
in and day out when I attended college. But to be fair, most of my
professors (who just so happened to be mainly Caucasian) were perplexed
as to how I could 'master' philosophy to the degree and magnitude I
accomplished. It perplexed them so much because I possessed this
natural flair for philosophy; I rarely studied very hard.

When asked I would reply, "It's in my genes." I often got back
the response, "Oh, so someone in your family was gifted also in
philosophy?" I would answer back that "Yes, I'm
Father-Taught." They thought this meant literally and it did just
not in the way they thought. ;=]

As is usually the case with most philosophers, I have never met a book
I did not like. I can find knowledge and truth in a bare tree in
wintertime. While growing up in Chi-town I never understood why until
that is I got to college. I appreciate your admiration. For real, I
do.

BENJ...@hotmail.com

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Dec 11, 2006, 3:54:29 PM12/11/06
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Syd wrote:
> Sojourner Truth wrote:
>
> > That's true but I ain't mad at them on this score. I will tolerate
> > your income but never and I mean never your stupidity. This I can not
> > under any circumstances tolerate. Sorry, I just can not do it.
> >
> That and injustice, right? I have noticed that inequality troubles you
> as well (as it should anyone with a heart-beat).
>
> >Agreed!
> >

> You also have an amazing talent. How on earth do you accumulate such
> information? I mean really. HOw?


I know. I'm reading all this and thinking...wow, what religion has
this woman not studied. She's quoting Hillel! You leave even me (a
Jewish male!) speechless!

No easy feat by 'any' stretch of the imagination. ;

Syd

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Dec 11, 2006, 4:17:35 PM12/11/06
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Sojourner Truth wrote:

> > >
> > That and injustice, right? I have noticed that inequality troubles you
> >

> True. That completely burns my butt.

How strange, mine too. ;

> When asked I would reply, "It's in my genes." I often got back
> the response, "Oh, so someone in your family was gifted also in
> philosophy?" I would answer back that "Yes, I'm
> Father-Taught." They thought this meant literally and it did just
> not in the way they thought. ;=]
>

LOL. Yes, I think you will find 'in the ghetto' many life long lessons
like Busta' Rhymes said in this new CD with Rick James old-school music
in the background.


> As is usually the case with most philosophers, I have never met a book
> I did not like. I can find knowledge and truth in a bare tree in
> wintertime. While growing up in Chi-town I never understood why until
> that is I got to college. I appreciate your admiration. For real, I
> do.

It is unequivocally well deserved.

Now naturally I am being very nosey here when I inquire if you plan to
attend graduate school for a doctorate? Feel free to tell me where to
go since you definitely have the brains for this accomplishment. ;

Sojourner Truth

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Dec 11, 2006, 4:39:10 PM12/11/06
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Syd wrote:


> It is unequivocally well deserved.
>

Cut it out. You are doing it yet again, thank you.

> Now naturally I am being very nosey here when I inquire if you plan to
> attend graduate school for a doctorate? Feel free to tell me where to
> go since you definitely have the brains for this accomplishment. ;

I was until a couple of years ago; I took on the responsibility of my
niece and nephew to give one of my little sisters a chance to play
catch-up with her life. I am the eldest with two younger sisters.
This one has two, a boy (7) and girl (5) ages respectively. The middle
girl has three with one on the way. I am unmarried and childless (for
the moment ;) so I was glad to help out. No courts or anything just
pinch-hitting until she is able to resume her duties. Oddly, these
brats (both spoiled rotten even though their Mama is poorer than a
church mouse) teach me important lessons day in and day out. Like
patience which is not my strongest suit.

Who knew you have to have the patience of Jobe to deal with a little
girl on a daily basis? I had no idea. Had I known this secret I would
have called the entire deal off! Court, your Dad must be a saint. Do
these little chatterboxes ever hush up? However, I love it and trying
to cherish it since I know it will not last much longer. As soon as I
get fully adjusted and acquainted (routine down to a science, which
strangely enough has not happened even though I have had them for
almost two (2) years) they will perhaps be called back home to
Chi-town. Weirdly enough, they miss their Granny more than their Mama.

Everything has its beauty but not everyone sees it.
-Confucius

Sojourner Truth

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Dec 11, 2006, 6:17:20 PM12/11/06
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BENJ...@hotmail.com wrote:


> I know. I'm reading all this and thinking...wow, what religion has
> this woman not studied. She's quoting Hillel! You leave even me (a


Yes, Ben, I not only studied your religion but I possibly know truths
(from the numerous Holocaust courses I embarked upon) that you may not
even be aware of and in the process I discovered that your religion
(Jewish religion) is utterly beautiful.

But all religions are beautiful and lovely. It is people (who are
human and thus imperfect) that cause the corruption we see in so many
various religions.

No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's
permission when we ask him to obey it. -President Teddy Roosevelt

When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.
-President Richard Nixon

Courtney

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Dec 11, 2006, 11:06:36 PM12/11/06
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Jon Enslin wrote:

>
> Congratulations! You have indoctrinated them well!!!
>
Thank you but as any parent will confess, it is a daily battle
now-a-days for your child's mind against all the outside forces.
Back in the day, we didn't experience so many outside conflicts
pulling at us while growing up.

I once read somewhere that playing games with male children (as if I
didn't already know this) is a great way to get them to open up. In
our house we all love to get together and play monopoly, scrabble,
checkers, backgammon, Uno - - well all of them. After numerous days of
asking, waiting and pleading for my eldest to join us I finally went
into his room and grabbed the controller to his X-Box. He was so
upset. He kept yelling, "Mom, that's not funny; cut it out. Give
it back, Mom! Mom! Give me my controller!"

I was just playing with him but he was really mad at me. Then, as
something dawned on me my eyebrows shot up. I say, "Oh, so you want
your ...controller... ? ?

Then I go, "Hmmmm... How clever. What an accurate name, controller.
But whom is this game "controlling? YOU! Yes, I see now. It does
not so much control this game here as it does YOU! This game is
controlling YOU, not your X-Box." I could see a light beam from his
eyes as this realization became apparent to him also.

He still plays his X-Box game like crazy but somehow I think after that
day it lost a tiny bit of its allure over him.

It just kills my husband how I can say just a sentence or two and get
through quicker to these boys than all his days of yelling and ranting.

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