Next Top Model = torture of its contestants?

telenovels

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Nov 27, 2006, 4:21:26 PM11/27/06

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The preview of this week's episode shows the girls standing in ICE
water.

They are so cold, they are shaking like they have a neurological
disease.

I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
contest. It's torture akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
their own contestants?

Obveeus

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Nov 27, 2006, 4:30:26 PM11/27/06

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"telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream, right?

You think cold water is torture? Where where you last season when they were
pulling teeth out?
Where were you this season when they were pulling out forehead hair?
Where were you the first few seasons when the models had to listen to Janice
Dickinson every week at judging?

Oh, the horrors!

millia

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Nov 27, 2006, 4:37:53 PM11/27/06

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> You think cold water is torture? Where where you last season when they were
> pulling teeth out?
> Where were you this season when they were pulling out forehead hair?
> Where were you the first few seasons when the models had to listen to Janice
> Dickinson every week at judging?
>
> Oh, the horrors!

Last season's "A-swirl" twins was enough for that show to be banned in
all civilized nations!

videonovels

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Nov 27, 2006, 4:40:14 PM11/27/06

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Obveeus wrote:
> "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The preview of this week's episode shows the girls standing in ICE
> > water.
> >
> > They are so cold, they are shaking like they have a neurological
> > disease.
> >
> > I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
> > contest. It's torture akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
> > the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
> > their own contestants?
>
> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream, right?

.

Not that cold. Not to the point where they look like they have mad cow
disease (severe tremors).

> You think cold water is torture? Where where you last season when they were
> pulling teeth out?
> Where were you this season when they were pulling out forehead hair?

Not watching. I have no interest in the fashion industry. Now if the
ladies were naked or *topless* that would be something worth seeing.
Otherwise... I've only seen 3 or 4 episodes over the last 4 years.
(Mainly because I was waiting for Star Trek to come on.)

Obveeus

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Nov 27, 2006, 5:06:56 PM11/27/06

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"videonovels" <videono...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Obveeus wrote:

>> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream,
>> right?
>

> Not that cold. Not to the point where they look like they have mad cow
> disease (severe tremors).

Just a few weeks ago there was an episode of Survivor where a couple of the
cast members were walking their boat in the ocean. They aren't exactly in
arctic waters, but the female cast member, Candice, was shaking from
coldness in just that way.

You are the 'health nut' that wants to live at near zero body fat. People
that actually live that way (especially skinny, young women) freqently get
*very* cold when the temperature really isn't that bad. Go outside and get
in the pool. It will feel very cold this time of year. Swim laps and you
will likely feel fairly comfortable. Try to stand real still and 'strike a
pose' and you will likely feel like you are going to freeze to death.

> Not watching. I have no interest in the fashion industry.

It is hard to believe that you are not fashionable.

Barnabas Collins

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Nov 27, 2006, 7:15:58 PM11/27/06

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On 27 Nov 2006 13:21:26 -0800, "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I don't watch the show but how are they keeping the conestants safe?
How are they keeping them from getting Hypothermia?

And what is to prevent the network from being sued when a contestant
gets hypothermia and loosss a leg?

(And no there are certain rights that no matter what you can't sign
away.)

Obveeus

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Nov 27, 2006, 7:17:38 PM11/27/06

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't watch the show but how are they keeping the conestants safe?

Safe from standing in cold water that they can get out of whenever they
want?

> And what is to prevent the network from being sued when a contestant
> gets hypothermia and loosss a leg?

Loses a leg? Do people lose a leg every time they go outside in winter?

> (And no there are certain rights that no matter what you can't sign
> away.)

Did you see the RealWorld/Road Rules challenge a couple seassons ago where
players had to sit on a block of ice and melt it with their butt?

Steven L.

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Nov 27, 2006, 9:00:40 PM11/27/06

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Obveeus wrote:
> "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The preview of this week's episode shows the girls standing in ICE
>> water.
>>
>> They are so cold, they are shaking like they have a neurological
>> disease.
>>
>> I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
>> contest. It's torture

Actually it's "Fear Factor: America's Top Models Edition."

>> akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
>> the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
>> their own contestants?
>
> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream, right?

Perhaps, but as described, this stunt seems more like a Fear Factor
stunt, than an activity specific to modeling. (Fear Factor had its
"Models" episodes too, with models and Playboy Playmates being dunked
into cold water and so on.)

This could be an ominous sign of erosion of ANTM's original
concept--becoming more like other reality TV shows.

The producers should remember that Fear Factor was canceled, so it's not
to be emulated anymore.

We don't need ANTM to make women suffer for our viewing pleasure. We've
got Survivor for that.

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Steven L.

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Nov 27, 2006, 9:14:55 PM11/27/06

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Obveeus wrote:
> "Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't watch the show but how are they keeping the conestants safe?
>
> Safe from standing in cold water that they can get out of whenever they
> want?
>
>> And what is to prevent the network from being sued when a contestant
>> gets hypothermia and loosss a leg?
>
> Loses a leg? Do people lose a leg every time they go outside in winter?

If a woman is diabetic, her chances of severe circulatory impairment
from hypothermia are much higher. Does ANTM allow women to compete who
are diabetic?

Other reality TV shows are pretty strict about only allowing contestants
who have passed a medical exam and submitted a detailed medical history.
Fear Factor is acknowledged by the industry to have set the "gold
standard"--each contestant was given an EKG just before being allowed to
compete. An abnormal EKG resulted in disqualification.

If ANTM is starting to do stunts this physically taxing, they should
take comparable precautions. I'll bet that up to now, they haven't been
as strict as Fear Factor or Survivor because they didn't need to be.

Booker

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Nov 27, 2006, 9:23:24 PM11/27/06

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"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The preview of this week's episode shows the girls standing in ICE
> > water.
> >
> > They are so cold, they are shaking like they have a neurological
> > disease.
> >
> > I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
> > contest. It's torture akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
> > the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
> > their own contestants?
>
> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream,
right?
>

Yes they sure would!....(Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not,
sorry)

Booker

Agent Smith

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Nov 27, 2006, 10:13:55 PM11/27/06

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"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in
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I think the models on that show suffer for Tyra Bank's pleasure. Hasn't
anybody noticed what a monster she is?

Obveeus

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Nov 27, 2006, 11:12:31 PM11/27/06

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"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:

> Obveeus wrote:
>> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream,
>> right?
>
> Perhaps, but as described, this stunt seems more like a Fear Factor stunt,
> than an activity specific to modeling.

> This could be an ominous sign of erosion of ANTM's original
> concept--becoming more like other reality TV shows.

You are simply exposing that you do not follow the show and do not know what
you are talking about. The models were put in 'an ice house' a few seasons
ago to 'freeze' during a photo shoot.. The models had to walk on unbalanced
floats just like last season's Survivor earlier this season. Last season,
models had to walk in high heels that were so high that many of them
fell...including one that broke a toe.

You are stepping in with the same lack of background understanding that Troy
has and trying to explain what the show is. Simply put, you are wrong.

Obveeus

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Nov 27, 2006, 11:15:33 PM11/27/06

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"Booker" <huron...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>> "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
>> > contest. It's torture akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
>> > the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
>> > their own contestants?
>>
>> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream,
> right?
>
> Yes they sure would!....(Wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or not,
> sorry)

Yes, I was being sarcastic. I find it absolutely amazing that people could
think that models don't have to pose for photos in swimming pools or that
the swimming pools are heated up to body temperature for the photoshoot. If
anything, most of the time the photographers will want the pool cold so that
there won't be rising steam interferring with the photos. Besides, cold
models look better. ;-)

Obveeus

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Nov 27, 2006, 11:23:20 PM11/27/06

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"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
> If ANTM is starting to do stunts this physically taxing, they should take
> comparable precautions. I'll bet that up to now, they haven't been as
> strict as Fear Factor or Survivor because they didn't need to be.

You bet wrong and expose further that you know nothing about the show.
There has been enough past subject matter on medical conditions that it is
clear that ANTM does look at the contestants health as much as other reality
shows. ANTM hasn't 'started' doing stunts and anyone that followed the show
at all would know that.

BTW, it is ludicrous to suggest that these models are at risk of losing
their legs to frostbite...and your added silliness about the risk to
diabetics is equally nonsensical. They are not being tied down. They can
stop any time they want. The 'test' looks from the priview to be about how
far they are willing to go in order to make sure they get a good shot. A
model falling down from the cold is exactly what we saw from Candice on
Survivor just a few weeks ago when she had to try and walk the boat back to
shore. At least with ANTM they have warm blankets, warm saline, etc...
sitting by at a moments notice instead of a half hour helicopter ride away.

Anybody

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Nov 28, 2006, 12:20:26 AM11/28/06

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Like all "reality" TV shows, it's more like torture of its viewers. :-(

puzzlr

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Nov 28, 2006, 12:33:13 AM11/28/06

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"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> If a woman is diabetic, her chances of severe circulatory impairment from
> hypothermia are much higher. Does ANTM allow women to compete who are
> diabetic?
>

Anyone can compete. There was a girl who had Lupus a couple of years ago.
I thought she would win, because she was very pretty.

> If ANTM is starting to do stunts this physically taxing, they should take
> comparable precautions. I'll bet that up to now, they haven't been as
> strict as Fear Factor or Survivor because they didn't need to be.

They don't do stunts. They have modeling shoots that mimic some of the
things Tyra had to endure when she was modeling. They have a certain number
of frames to get the shot, but no one has to eat disgusting things or run an
obstacle course. They have themed shoots, like being an ice princesses
while in cold location. This is nothing unusual for this type show. It
supposedly helps them get ready for the real modeling world.

btw, did anyone else think the 18 yr old from Texas looked like Jennifer
Anniston?

Puzz

trippy

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Nov 28, 2006, 6:19:01 AM11/28/06

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Wow"...

What are A-swirl twins?

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Obveeus

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Nov 28, 2006, 7:19:17 AM11/28/06

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"puzzlr" <puz...@usa.net> wrote:
> btw, did anyone else think the 18 yr old from Texas looked like Jennifer
> Anniston?

I was thinking that she looked like a really young Demi Moore.

videonovels

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Nov 28, 2006, 8:36:29 AM11/28/06

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Obveeus wrote:
> "videonovels" <videono...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Obveeus wrote:
>
> >> Models would never have to sit/stand/lay in a cold pool/ocean/stream,
> >> right?
> >
> > Not that cold. Not to the point where they look like they have mad cow
> > disease (severe tremors).
>
> Just a few weeks ago there was an episode of Survivor where a couple of the
> cast members were walking their boat in the ocean. They aren't exactly in
> arctic waters, but the female cast member, Candice, was shaking from
> coldness in just that way.

.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Top Model is physically abusing these
young women. What if one of them lapsed into a coma due to her body
shutting down?

> You are the 'health nut' that wants to live at near zero body fat.
>

> > Not watching. I have no interest in the fashion industry.
>
> It is hard to believe that you are not fashionable.

Personal attacks are not welcome. They have no relevance to the
discussion about the TV show Top Model.

JAH

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Nov 28, 2006, 9:29:29 AM11/28/06

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:30:26 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The preview of this week's episode shows the girls standing in ICE
>> water.
>>
>> They are so cold, they are shaking like they have a neurological
>> disease.
>>
>> I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
>> contest. It's torture akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
>> the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
>> their own contestants?
>

>Where were you the first few seasons when the models had to listen to Janice

>Dickinson every week at judging?

That's the funniest thing I've read today.

Thank you.

JAH

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tomcervo

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Nov 28, 2006, 9:42:37 AM11/28/06

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Wait 'til next week, when they have to consume a plate of ribs.

Obveeus

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Nov 28, 2006, 10:20:15 AM11/28/06

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"tomcervo" <tomc...@aol.com> wrote:

> Wait 'til next week, when they have to consume a plate of ribs.

I know you meant that as a joke to the 'gross food eating challenges' (and
to models lack of eating), but in fact, ANTM did have a 'gross food eating
challenge' of sorts. The season they went to the Far East they had to do a
commercial TV spot for some food that was clearly not to their liking. The
trick was to look like they were enjoying it, say the lines in the foreign
language, and look good all at the same time. This show has so much more
depth/competition/realism than non-viewers give it credit for. ANTM is far
more realistic in representing the modeling industry than The Apprentice is
in representing the business world.

Obveeus

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Nov 28, 2006, 10:38:10 AM11/28/06

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"videonovels" <videono...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Obveeus wrote:
>> Just a few weeks ago there was an episode of Survivor where a couple of
>> the
>> cast members were walking their boat in the ocean. They aren't exactly
>> in
>> arctic waters, but the female cast member, Candice, was shaking from
>> coldness in just that way.
>

> Two wrongs don't make a right.

No wrongs have been made. People that stand in the ocean or stand in a pool
are subject to feeling cold. It is real life. No one is being tortured.

> Top Model is physically abusing these
> young women. What if one of them lapsed into a coma due to her body
> shutting down?

What if they caught fire while standing in the sun?

>> You are the 'health nut' that wants to live at near zero body fat.
>>
>> > Not watching. I have no interest in the fashion industry.
>>
>> It is hard to believe that you are not fashionable.
>
> Personal attacks are not welcome.

Why claim it as a personnal attack? Why not assume that I am genuinely
surprised that a man that tries to keep his weight in the 140's would not
take equal care in choosing his clothes?

> They have no relevance to the discussion about the TV show Top Model.

If I wanted to get personnal I would question your motives for this thread
to begin with.
Take a look at the posting timeline.

1.You post CW ratings.

2. I point out the UPN shows (ANTM is at the top of the heap, wrestling is
holding down an entire night and UPN comedies are the only comedies CW has).

3. You stop including all the shows I mentioned when posting your CW
ratings.

4. I point out that you should rename your post CW drama ratings if you
wish to exclude all the good stuff.

5. You add the word 'drama' to your posts so you can continue to omit the
UPN shows without being called on it every week.

6. The Thanksgiving holiday results in below average numbers for ANTM and
wrestling so you suddenly include them in your 'CW drama ratings' post.

7. I point out the patheticness of your posting patterns with respect to
ANTM ratings inclusion.

8. You suddenly post about ANTM torturing contestants.

If one were to look at all of that, one might conclude that you are a puppet
on a string. But don't worry, no one is looking.

Barnabas Collins

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Nov 28, 2006, 1:52:51 PM11/28/06

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:17:38 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>> And what is to prevent the network from being sued when a contestant
>> gets hypothermia and loosss a leg?
>
>Loses a leg? Do people lose a leg every time they go outside in winter?

Ever hear of frostbite? Go stand out in the winter, get some
frostbite, and find out how long it takes to loose your limbs.

Below zero it only takes a few minutes before frostbite sets in.

Add in a wind chill and that time shrinks.

When it is ten below zero with a howling north wind it can only take
a matter of minutes before you're exposed flesh is effected.

brou...@aol.com

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Nov 28, 2006, 3:50:04 PM11/28/06

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Barnabas Collins wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:17:38 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> And what is to prevent the network from being sued when a contestant
> >> gets hypothermia and loosss a leg?
> >
> >Loses a leg? Do people lose a leg every time they go outside in winter?
> Ever hear of frostbite? Go stand out in the winter, get some
> frostbite, and find out how long it takes to loose your limbs.
>
> Below zero it only takes a few minutes before frostbite sets in.
>
> Add in a wind chill and that time shrinks.
>
> When it is ten below zero with a howling north wind it can only take
> a matter of minutes before you're exposed flesh is effected.

if they are still shooting where they've been for the last few weeks
they are in barcelona spain. not exactly the north pole. the models can
refuse the shoot anytime they want. they also know that it will affect
the judging if they do. what probably won't be shown is if the models
get to come out of the water, warm up and go back in to do more photos.
i've never seen anyone complain about models in cold water when the
sports illustrated swimsuit edition comes out and they've shown that
many times the water is very cold on the shoot.

Penni

telenovels

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Nov 28, 2006, 3:53:19 PM11/28/06

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brou...@aol.com wrote:
>
> if they are still shooting where they've been for the last few weeks
> they are in barcelona spain. not exactly the north pole.

.

Then why are they shaking like they're having an epileptic fit?

Obveeus

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Nov 28, 2006, 4:00:08 PM11/28/06

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"telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> brou...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> if they are still shooting where they've been for the last few weeks
>> they are in barcelona spain. not exactly the north pole.
>

> Then why are they shaking like they're having an epileptic fit?

Already explained to you: standing in cold water makes a person cold,
especially if they have no body fat to help them survive.

People are supposed to be 98.6. If they stand in 40 degree water they get
cold very fast and shiver. If they stand in 85 degree water for a long
enough period of time, they will get cold and shiver. That is how the human
body works.

trippy

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Nov 28, 2006, 6:09:21 PM11/28/06

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In article <ekhl53$9jl$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Obveeus took the

hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...

>
> "videonovels" <videono...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> What if they caught fire while standing in the sun?

Then they're vampires.

jamsrt

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Nov 28, 2006, 7:31:49 PM11/28/06

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"telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The preview of this week's episode shows the girls standing in ICE
> water.
>
> They are so cold, they are shaking like they have a neurological
> disease.
>
> I think America's Next Top Model has gone too far. This isn't a
> contest. It's torture akin to what happened to POWs or spies inside
> the former soviet union. How can this show get away with Torturing
> their own contestants?

I'm pretty sure I don't care.

puzzlr

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Nov 28, 2006, 10:41:56 PM11/28/06

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"trippy" <silve...@tacoshells.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1164663473.4...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> millia took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh
> Wow"...
>
>>
>> > You think cold water is torture? Where where you last season when they
>> > were
>> > pulling teeth out?
>> > Where were you this season when they were pulling out forehead hair?
>> > Where were you the first few seasons when the models had to listen to
>> > Janice
>> > Dickinson every week at judging?
>> >
>> > Oh, the horrors!
>>
>> Last season's "A-swirl" twins was enough for that show to be banned in
>> all civilized nations!
>>
>
> What are A-swirl twins?

Two elderly twin black gay guys. They were brought in to teach the girls
how to swirl (think of a whirling dervish). Apparently it is common for
models in black hair shows to do a swirl, but not so much in Europe. Tyra
says that when she swirled on the runway, all the fashionista's went wild
because they had never seen such a thing. So Tyra thought it would help the
girls if they learned how to swirl. The episode was very entertaining and
funny, but it had a lesson in it.

Puzz

Barnabas Collins

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Nov 29, 2006, 1:52:35 PM11/29/06

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On 28 Nov 2006 12:50:04 -0800, "brou...@aol.com" <brou...@aol.com>
wrote:

>if they are still shooting where they've been for the last few weeks
>they are in barcelona spain. not exactly the north pole. the models can
>refuse the shoot anytime they want. they also know that it will affect
>the judging if they do. what probably won't be shown is if the models
>get to come out of the water, warm up and go back in to do more photos.
>i've never seen anyone complain about models in cold water when the
>sports illustrated swimsuit edition comes out and they've shown that
>many times the water is very cold on the shoot.

But doesn't SI shoot their models in the Bahamas or someplace else
where it is warm?

Still no modeling contract is worth it when you're in your
60s and they amputate your leg and tell you it was probably from
when you were in your teens or twentys and you got some frost bite.

I know some people who are in that boat.

Hypothermia and frost bite can have serious consequences down the
road and should be passed off lightly.

Go read up on those who get stranded in the middle of winter,
suffer serious frostbite and end up loosing toes, fingers,
etc.

Barnabas Collins

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Nov 29, 2006, 1:56:17 PM11/29/06

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On 28 Nov 2006 12:53:19 -0800, "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://www.webmd.com/hw/home_health/tp21233.asp

I repeat....Hypothermia must be taken seriously.

Do not confuse it with discomfort.

Barnabas Collins

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Nov 29, 2006, 2:00:02 PM11/29/06

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:00:08 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>Already explained to you: standing in cold water makes a person cold,
>especially if they have no body fat to help them survive.
>
>People are supposed to be 98.6. If they stand in 40 degree water they get
>cold very fast and shiver. If they stand in 85 degree water for a long
>enough period of time, they will get cold and shiver. That is how the human
>body works.
>

To put it another way....if you fall in the water at about 40
degrees you'll probably be dead in a short period of time.

At 40 degees you're survival rate is much shorter than
if you're falling in water that is 70 degrees.

Go look up hypothermia.....

Seerialmom

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Steven L. wrote:
>
> Actually it's "Fear Factor: America's Top Models Edition."
>
>

> Perhaps, but as described, this stunt seems more like a Fear Factor

> stunt, than an activity specific to modeling. (Fear Factor had its
> "Models" episodes too, with models and Playboy Playmates being dunked
> into cold water and so on.)
>

> The producers should remember that Fear Factor was canceled, so it's not
> to be emulated anymore.

> --
> Steven D. Litvintchouk
> Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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"Ilene Bilenky" <ile...@shore.net> wrote in message
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I love the show and I think it's because of the competition. I also liked
watching Making the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleading Squad, or whatever it was
called. But after one episode, I realized they weren't shooting it for a
woman's perspective. The camera always lingered over their asses or
crotches. Having said that, I will watch if its ever on again. LOL

Puzz ~ former cheerleader

telenovels

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Nov 30, 2006, 8:34:00 AM11/30/06

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puzzlr wrote:
> "Ilene Bilenky"

> >
> > "Top Model" is my personal dreck, and I have no idea why I watch it.
> >
>
> I love the show and I think it's because of the competition. I also liked
> watching Making the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleading Squad, or whatever it was
> called. But after one episode, I realized they weren't shooting it for a
> woman's perspective. The camera always lingered over their asses or

> crotches. .......
.

You don't think women appreciate the beauty of the feminine form? I
assure you, they do look and admire other beautiful women, simply for
beauty's sake.

I know if Top Model took off their bikini tops, they would get a rise.
(In the ratings)

Ilene Bilenky

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Nov 30, 2006, 7:35:57 AM11/30/06

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In article <Lzubh.20523$Sw1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"puzzlr" <puz...@usa.net> wrote:

> I love the show and I think it's because of the competition.

I find the process of making people in art objects and photographing
them oddly fascinating. (I say "oddly" because I am sort of ethically
against it in daily life).

I do fast-forward through the personal drama and group squealing and all.

Ilene B

telenovels

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Dec 2, 2006, 7:26:04 AM12/2/06

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Barnabas Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:00:08 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Already explained to you: standing in cold water makes a person cold,
> >especially if they have no body fat to help them survive.
>

> Go look up hypothermia....
.

"Hypothermia is an emergency condition and can quickly lead to
unconsciousness and death if heat loss continues. It is very important
to know the symptoms of hypothermia and get treatment quickly. If
someone begins to SHIVER VIOLENTLY, stumble, or can't respond to
questions, suspect hypothermia and warm them quickly."

The people on Top Model were "shivering violently".
http://www.webmd.com/hw/home_health/tp21233.asp

brou...@aol.com

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Dec 4, 2006, 11:31:55 AM12/4/06

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they were in a swimming pool with very cold water. one of the girls did
in fact start to get hypothermia and was pulled out of the water. tyra
pointed out that you have to be physically tough to be a model because
you will do swim wear shoots in the winter and heavy duty winter
clothes shoots in the summer.

Penni

barbie gee

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Dec 4, 2006, 12:05:58 PM12/4/06

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Dec 4, 2006, 6:36:16 PM12/4/06

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In addition, evidently she was great in every shot, so Tyra's complaint
about how she would have lost the client money was B.S.

--
Phyl

puzzlr

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Dec 5, 2006, 12:06:41 AM12/5/06

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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No. Only you would presume such a thing. No one said she wouldn't work
again if she did a couple of shots and decided she was about to injure
herself.

Puzz

mc

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Dec 5, 2006, 12:11:28 AM12/5/06

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Do you even watch the show? Tyra and Co. are constantly bombarding the
girls with "You can't ever show when you're sick." They praised a sick
girl for coming back from the emergency room last season in time for a
shoot (she became the winner btw).

I can see why she didn't let them know--after all she just wasn't
feeling well, she wasn't dead...

mc

puzzlr

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Dec 5, 2006, 12:38:42 AM12/5/06

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"mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:1165295488.8...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...

>
> puzzlr wrote:
>> No. Only you would presume such a thing. No one said she wouldn't work
>> again if she did a couple of shots and decided she was about to injure
>> herself.
>>
>

> Do you even watch the show? Tyra and Co. are constantly bombarding the
> girls with "You can't ever show when you're sick." They praised a sick
> girl for coming back from the emergency room last season in time for a
> shoot (she became the winner btw).
>

Yes I watch the show. There is a difference between being sick (with a gut
buster/hangover) before showing up to work and getting to work and being
asked to sit in a cold pool and not saying that you're about to get
hyperthermia. I can assume that you've gone to work with a cold, but you'd
speak up if your boss asked to sit in the middle of traffic. They aren't
the same situation. Sheesh

> I can see why she didn't let them know--after all she just wasn't
> feeling well, she wasn't dead...
>

Do YOU watch the show? She was doing a shoot and wasn't about to let the
people know that she wasn't able to feel her finger tips and toes. Wouldn't
you tell someone that you're about to die, before you actually die? Or
would you continue with the shoot and well... die? Tyra said that when this
happens you really should let someone know. No shit!

Puzz

Agent Smith

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Dec 5, 2006, 12:54:12 AM12/5/06

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"mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in
news:1165295488.8...@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com:

> puzzlr wrote:
>> "Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> > <barbi...@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>adding that you ALSO have to have brains enough to tell someone
>> >>when a situation is getting to be too much for you..
>> >
>> > And presumably if you tell them it is too much you'll never work
>> > again in the modeling business again.
>>
>> No. Only you would presume such a thing. No one said she wouldn't
>> work again if she did a couple of shots and decided she was about to
>> injure herself.
>

> Do you even watch the show? Tyra and Co. are constantly bombarding
> the girls with "You can't ever show when you're sick." They praised a
> sick girl for coming back from the emergency room last season in time
> for a shoot (she became the winner btw).
>
> I can see why she didn't let them know--after all she just wasn't
> feeling well, she wasn't dead...

And where is OSHA while all this is going on? Oh, I forgot, homicidal
felons get a free pass if they're celebrities.

telenovels

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Dec 5, 2006, 9:02:53 AM12/5/06

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puzzlr wrote:
> "mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
> >

> > Do you even watch the show? Tyra and Co. are constantly bombarding the
> > girls with "You can't ever show when you're sick." They praised a sick

> > girl for coming back from the emergency room last season...

>
> Yes I watch the show. There is a difference between being sick (with a gut
> buster/hangover) before showing up to work and getting to work and being
> asked to sit in a cold pool and not saying that you're about to get

> hyperthermia. ............
.

There's no difference. Hypothermia is an illness brought on by cold
water. No different from the girl who drug herself out of the e.r.
while still feeling ill. The message Tyra sends is "Don't let illness
stop you."

BTW why was the water cold?

Because they MADE it cold... on purpose. They were trying to punish
the models. Deliberately. This kind of behavior is not acceptable.

Barnabas Collins

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 16:37:13 -0500, "Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:

>Or, if you look at the show accurately, you might have noticed that the
>model DID quit the photshoot when she got too cold. Quitting did not even
>result in her elimination from the show, much less an end to her potential
>modeling career.
>
>No one was tortured. No one's life was in jeopardy. All that occurred was
>that a few reality TV show contestants had to get in 'cold' water on a warm
>day while trying to maintain a 'look'.
>

I don't watch ANTM, but I also don't want to be the EMT they
call one them has frostbite and have to be rushed to the hospital.

Barnabas Collins

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Dec 5, 2006, 10:11:43 AM12/5/06

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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:36:16 GMT, Phyl <pa...@nospamearthlink.neet>
wrote:

>In addition, evidently she was great in every shot, so Tyra's complaint
>about how she would have lost the client money was B.S.

I don't watch the show but my understanding is she is correct. Had
she stopped the camera crew/photography crew would still have
had to be paid/equipment rented/the location rented/transportation
rented. Just because one model chooses to stop doesn't make
the other expenses disappear.

Barnabas Collins

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Dec 5, 2006, 10:15:45 AM12/5/06

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:06:41 GMT, "puzzlr" <puz...@usa.net> wrote:

>No. Only you would presume such a thing. No one said she wouldn't work
>again if she did a couple of shots and decided she was about to injure
>herself.

I wouldn't go over well with the people paying the bills when the
model quits but they still have shell big bucks for the expenses
related to the shoot.

You do realize that in addition to the model they are also
paying for the photographers/equipment/trucks/the site of the
shoot/security/electricians/etc.?

brou...@aol.com

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Dec 5, 2006, 10:46:12 AM12/5/06

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i've gone swimming in many a pool that wasn't heated. no one
diliberately made the water cold. the models weren't being punished.

Penni

Barnabas Collins

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:38:42 GMT, "puzzlr" <puz...@usa.net> wrote:

>Do YOU watch the show? She was doing a shoot and wasn't about to let the
>people know that she wasn't able to feel her finger tips and toes.

What is scary about that is I know too many elderly who had a touch of
frostbite years ago, they now have to have some toes/feet/fingers
amputated becuase they have circulation problems, which may
have been caused by some minor frostbite all those years ago.

You don't really know how devastating that is until you're in
your 70s and the doctors tells you have to loose the toes.

So when you're in your 70s and you've just lost your
toes will you say the photo shoot in ice cold water was
worth it? Sure you'll get a good pay check from the shoot
but is it worth it when you in you're 70s and your toes get
amputated?

>Wouldn't
>you tell someone that you're about to die, before you actually die? Or
>would you continue with the shoot and well... die? Tyra said that when this
>happens you really should let someone know. No shit!

All too often they would continue with the shoot and then realize
many years later how big a mistake they made. No matter how
well you're paid for the modeling job it will never compensate
for the loss of those toes.

But when you're a hot model in your 20s you don't realize that.
It won't hit you until you're in your 70s.

Barnabas Collins

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:10:27 AM12/5/06

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On 5 Dec 2006 06:02:53 -0800, "telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>There's no difference. Hypothermia is an illness brought on by cold
>water.

Correction: brought on by cold, not just cold water.

>BTW why was the water cold?
>
>Because they MADE it cold... on purpose. They were trying to punish
>the models. Deliberately. This kind of behavior is not acceptable.

I don't watch the show but were they trying to punish the models
or was it maybe a shoot for cold beer/cold soda/etc. where they
were trying to convey the idea of heat relief on a 140 degree
day?

Maybe some ad executive thought this campaign up?

Barnabas Collins

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:14:34 AM12/5/06

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I don't watch the show but maybe OSHA didn't come into the picture
because they were in Canada/Iceland/or somewhere else out of OSHAs
jurisdiction?

BTW, OSHA often doesn't come into the picture until after there
is a fatal accident. All too often OSHA comes in to look at a
particular location after a crane/scaffolding/etc. collapses
killing a few people.

Obveeus

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:13:37 AM12/5/06

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't watch ANTM, but I also don't want to be the EMT they
> call one them has frostbite and have to be rushed to the hospital.

You don't watch the show. You don't know what happened in the episode. You
feel 'qualified' to comment on it for what reason?

Ilene Bilenky

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Dec 5, 2006, 10:09:34 AM12/5/06

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In article <bm5bn2tiiq95knea6...@4ax.com>,
Barnabas Collins <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What is scary about that is I know too many elderly who had a touch of
> frostbite years ago,

Hypothermia and frostbite are two completely different things. In
frostbite, the tissues actually freeze, which wouldn't happen in the
water unless the water was ice.

Hypothermia is when the body's core temperature goes too low. It can
happen from being wet in weather that isn't that cold. In movies, when
people who are rescued from cold water have a blanket thrown around them
in their wet clothes, I wonder if that does any good. The cold wet
clothes lower the body core temperature. They really must be removed to
re-warm the person.

I think the swimming pool water in the TV show was colder than simply
not being heated. Of course, having little body fat makes people more
vulnerable to hypothermia

Ilene B

Obveeus

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:16:06 AM12/5/06

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So when you're in your 70s and you've just lost your
> toes will you say the photo shoot in ice cold water was
> worth it?

Will you own up to realistic reasons for the problem such as diabeties, old
age circulatory problems, etc...

Ilene Bilenky

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Dec 5, 2006, 10:11:01 AM12/5/06

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In article <ng6bn2p2p2v396vs0...@4ax.com>,
Barnabas Collins <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't watch the show but maybe OSHA didn't come into the picture
> because they were in Canada/Iceland/or somewhere else out of OSHAs
> jurisdiction?

Well, they were in Spain. But OSHA only refers to working conditions,
and these girls are in a contest, not on a job.

Ilene B

Annie

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:32:57 AM12/5/06

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telenovels wrote:

>
> BTW why was the water cold?
>
> Because they MADE it cold... on purpose. They were trying to punish
> the models. Deliberately. This kind of behavior is not acceptable.

No, they didn't make it cold. The episode was filmed in late May in
Spain. And while it may have been warm enough for short sleeves, it's
not beyond imagination that pool water would be warm. Most municipal
pools in the States have regulations that the weather must be above a
certain degree for a week before pools open, because the water will be
too cold otherwise. ANTM did not make the water cold on purpose.

Unless you have specific knowledge that they did...please provide a
link. Don't just assume because it's a reality show that the water was
made cold on purpose.

Annie

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:36:22 AM12/5/06

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Especially when the models weren't in the water long enough to have
frost bite. And the model was pulled out of the water, warmed up,
attended to by EMTs, and not allowed back in the water when she wanted
to go back.

BC - overreact much to something you admit you haven't seen?

Annie

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Dec 5, 2006, 11:39:42 AM12/5/06

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I know it's bad form to reply to yourself .... however, I made a
boo-boo :-(
Annie wrote:

> No, they didn't make it cold. The episode was filmed in late May in
> Spain. And while it may have been warm enough for short sleeves, it's
> not beyond imagination that pool water would be warm.

^^^^^^

that should be: it's not beyond imagination that pool water would be
cold.

PIMF. ;-)

Agent Smith

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Ilene Bilenky <ile...@shore.net> wrote in news:ileneb-563E11.11110105122006
@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

Work is work, whether you paid in money or with a "chance" at success.
Plenty of people, myself included, work for free to get started. Work
isn't defined by the money, it's defined by the task.

telenovels

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Dec 5, 2006, 12:57:47 PM12/5/06

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Barnabas Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 05:38:42 GMT, "puzzlr" <puz...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >Do YOU watch the show? She was doing a shoot and wasn't about to let the
> >people know that she wasn't able to feel her finger tips and toes.
>
> What is scary about that is I know too many elderly who had a touch of
> frostbite years ago, they now have to have some toes/feet/fingers
> amputated becuase they have circulation problems, which may
> have been caused by some minor frostbite all those years ago.

.

How can frostbite cause problems 50 years later? Doesn't the body
remove the dead cells & rebuild itself back to like-new condition?

(pondeR)

barbie gee

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My understading is Frost bite causes permanent damage beyond anything
the body can repair on it's own.

But then you should ask your doctor about that. As an EMT I treat
them and transport to the hospital.

Obveeus

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Dec 5, 2006, 2:44:37 PM12/5/06

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2006 08:36:22 -0800, "Annie" <ann_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Especially when the models weren't in the water long enough to have
>>frost bite. And the model was pulled out of the water, warmed up,
>>attended to by EMTs, and not allowed back in the water when she wanted
>>to go back.
> Go read up on Frost bite. Twenty below zero plus a howling north
> wind and it only takes a matter of minutes to get frostbite.
>
> Ice water implies below freezing. If it's below zero
> frostbite can set in very fast.

Seriously, why are you being such a total idiot? There was no ice water.
It was a swimming pool (looked like a pool at a local hotel). It was not
cold out as is clear from people standing around in short sleeve shirts.
Two models were in the pool. While one was 'shivering', the other one was
sitting by the side of the pool wrapped in a towel waiting...and still
keeping her feet in the water. Not exactly a sign of 'ice water'.

>>BC - overreact much to something you admit you haven't seen?

> I haven't seen ANTM but i've seen more than my share of
> frostbite/hyptothermia victims over the years.

Have you ever been to a swimming pool? Pretty much every time I have been
to one there is at least one kid shivering just like that model. There was
no danger of 'frostbite' in this situation.

Obveeus

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Dec 5, 2006, 2:48:01 PM12/5/06

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have relatives who had diabetes, circulation problems. The doctor
> stated some of the problems probably occurred back when they were
> young and got a minor case of frostbite. The diabetes and
> circulation problems aggravated it but it may well have started
> all those years ago. This according to the leg surgeon who spent 12+
> hours trying to fix the circulation.

I find it mind boggling that you think you 'listened' to the surgeon and yet
you came away with the impression that it could be blamed on 'minor
frostbite once as a kid' rather than on the diabetes. It would make more
sense for you to blame the problem on the person's second birthday cake
being too sweet than to blame it on the 'possibility' that the person got
cold once as a kid.

Obveeus

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Dec 5, 2006, 2:51:59 PM12/5/06

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"telenovels" <telen...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How can frostbite cause problems 50 years later?

I believe that frostbite can cause long term problems.
In the same way, one bad sunburn as a kid can greatly increase the chance of
future sun/skin/cancer problems.

The problem with this thread is that you two both think that some sort of
'frostbite'/torture conditions were in play because you are both too
clueless to watch the episode before complaining. Thus, you two have no
idea how amazingly offbase and silly you appear with your replies.

Stephen Farrow

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Dec 5, 2006, 2:59:49 PM12/5/06

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Barnabas Collins wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2006 08:36:22 -0800, "Annie" <ann_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Especially when the models weren't in the water long enough to have
>> frost bite. And the model was pulled out of the water, warmed up,
>> attended to by EMTs, and not allowed back in the water when she wanted
>> to go back.
> Go read up on Frost bite. Twenty below zero plus a howling north
> wind and it only takes a matter of minutes to get frostbite.

In BARCELONA?! Twenty below zero?

Never been there, have you?

--

Stephen

It's never too late, as a wise person once said. I think it was Kylie.

Annie

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Dec 5, 2006, 3:31:50 PM12/5/06

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Barnabas Collins wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2006 08:36:22 -0800, "Annie" <ann_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Especially when the models weren't in the water long enough to have
> >frost bite. And the model was pulled out of the water, warmed up,
> >attended to by EMTs, and not allowed back in the water when she wanted
> >to go back.
> Go read up on Frost bite. Twenty below zero plus a howling north
> wind and it only takes a matter of minutes to get frostbite.

Dude, I don't deny that frostbite is a serious condition and that
people in wintertime in extreme situations need to protect themselves
from the condition. What we've been talking about is the situation at
the photoshoot, none of which would lead to frostbite.

> Ice water implies below freezing. If it's below zero
> frostbite can set in very fast.

It wasn't ice water. It was just cold pool water, because it hadn't
been warm enough to have a more temperate pool temperature. Before you
go on and on and on about hypothermia and frost bite and losing
extremities, maybe you should actually take a gander at the episode. If
you did, you would see that all that you've been talking about is not
applicable to this situation.

> >BC - overreact much to something you admit you haven't seen?
> I haven't seen ANTM but i've seen more than my share of
> frostbite/hyptothermia victims over the years.

Well, good for you for your EMT experience, and I mean taht sincerely.
However, I think perhaps you're straining the gnat and swallowing the
camel in this situation. The models weren't in ice water, there were
EMTs on hand in case someone needed attention, and the model is not in
danger of losing her extremities in 60 years.

Annie

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Dec 5, 2006, 3:38:24 PM12/5/06

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amen!

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Dec 5, 2006, 7:15:31 PM12/5/06

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This is my first time watching and I find the show idiotic and
offensive. I did find the freezing water disgusting. It was truly cold,
you could tell - and if it is true the girl was going into hypothermia,
as they kept saying, then it was damn cold.

There's no reason to do this. How can you even get a good expression on
your face? I also hate their yo-yo comments. If she got out of the
water, they would have reamed her, but then when they thought she was
really in medical trouble, it was her fault for not stopping. Then at
the judging, she got demerits because going into hypothermia meant she
might not be able to cut it. Huh??

That's like saying we certainly don't like anorexic models, but if you
can't try and get anorexic we don't want you, and if you die from being
anorexic it's your fault for not stopping.

I also don't iike the studpid games: you have five minutes to grab a
dress, shoes, grab make-up, make it to the elevator before it closes.
What the hell is that?

I would much rather see games that would show real talent: give them
outlandish hairstyles, then have them choose an outfit to complement it
and have them do their own make-up. GIve 'em an hour. Then vote on
best style. Let's see them really do something that shows style.

Or have them pick a dress and they have to accessorize it. Give them
enough time to really show their style.

Obveeus

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Dec 5, 2006, 8:43:12 PM12/5/06

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"camille" <lin...@comcast.net> wrote:
> This is my first time watching and I find the show idiotic and
> offensive. I did find the freezing water disgusting. It was truly cold,

Cold yes. Dangerous enough to kill the cats members or cause them permanant
harm from frostbite? Nope. those suggestions are just silly.

> you could tell - and if it is true the girl was going into hypothermia,
> as they kept saying, then it was damn cold.

Water that was 90 degrees would cause hypothermia if you stood in it long
enough.

> There's no reason to do this. How can you even get a good expression on
> your face?

If you watched the show, then you know that every model was able to 'float'
in the cold water and still keep a decent expression on their face.

> If she got out of the
> water, they would have reamed her, but then when they thought she was
> really in medical trouble, it was her fault for not stopping.

It is a reality show. The contestants are going to be judged on what they
do. It isn't any different than American Idol or any other judged show.
Every choice they make will be questioned. She got in the water. She took
as many photos as she could. She stopped when she chose to stop. She was
praised for taking good photos. She was 'reamed' for not stopping sooner.

> Then at
> the judging, she got demerits because going into hypothermia meant she
> might not be able to cut it. Huh??

I think you misunderstand what is being said in the show. Tyra was speaking
to the audience. Tyra was telling the audience that modeling isn't all fun
and games and you shouldn't try to do it if you aren't willing to work hard.
The show is about modeling.

> I also don't iike the studpid games: you have five minutes to grab a
> dress, shoes, grab make-up, make it to the elevator before it closes.
> What the hell is that?

You have never seen a reality show with time limits? Quick makeup sessions
or quick changing sessions are very much a part of real life runway
modeling. That is why they make good sense within in the show.

> I would much rather see games that would show real talent: give them
> outlandish hairstyles, then have them choose an outfit to complement it
> and have them do their own make-up. GIve 'em an hour. Then vote on
> best style. Let's see them really do something that shows style.
> Or have them pick a dress and they have to accessorize it. Give them
> enough time to really show their style.

Being a model is not the same thing as being a stylist. Models do not
choose their clothes, they wear what they are told. They have to 'make
anything' look good. That is their job. They have to be able to follow
directions from a photographer or from the fashion designer whose clothes
thyey are wearing. That is the job. They don't get to choose makeup and
hair for themselves in that job.

Having said that, the show has had episodes about the models personal style,
their ability to put together an outfit, their ability to choose the correct
makeup for their complexion, the ability to choose the correct makeup to
define a specific kind of look.etc... If you watch more than one episode,
you will see those elements of 'fashion sense' as well as tests of
spokesmanship, acting, runway walking, posing, facial shot photography,
etc...

mc

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puzzlr wrote:
> "mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > puzzlr wrote:
> >> No. Only you would presume such a thing. No one said she wouldn't work
> >> again if she did a couple of shots and decided she was about to injure
> >> herself.
> >>
> >
> > Do you even watch the show? Tyra and Co. are constantly bombarding the
> > girls with "You can't ever show when you're sick." They praised a sick
> > girl for coming back from the emergency room last season in time for a
> > shoot (she became the winner btw).
> >
>
> Yes I watch the show. There is a difference between being sick (with a gut
> buster/hangover) before showing up to work and getting to work and being
> asked to sit in a cold pool and not saying that you're about to get
> hyperthermia. I can assume that you've gone to work with a cold, but you'd
> speak up if your boss asked to sit in the middle of traffic. They aren't
> the same situation. Sheesh

Who says it was a hangover? IIRC it was a medical condition, nothing
to do with drinking.

mc

Annie

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Annie wrote:
> Barnabas Collins wrote:

> > I don't do ANTM no matter what is in the episode.
>

> and on about it, without direct knowledge of the situation ... makes
> you as much a knee-jerk reactionary as telenovels/videonovels is.

.

I watched the show. Tyra makes about as much sense as I do:

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"Barnabas Collins" <BarnabasC...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> I don't do ANTM no matter what is in the episode.
>

Then why are you commenting on an episode that you haven't seen of a program
you won't watch? You only look foolish when you do.

Puzz

puzzlr

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> Torture of its contestants? What about its viewers? I haven't even seen
> the show and I'm suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder from this
> thread alone.
>

LMAO!!

Puzz

puzzlr

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> This is my first time watching and I find the show idiotic and
> offensive. I did find the freezing water disgusting. It was truly cold,
> you could tell - and if it is true the girl was going into hypothermia,
> as they kept saying, then it was damn cold.
>

Camile is that you? Camile from cycle (brain poot!) 2?

> There's no reason to do this. How can you even get a good expression on
> your face? I also hate their yo-yo comments. If she got out of the
> water, they would have reamed her, but then when they thought she was
> really in medical trouble, it was her fault for not stopping. Then at
> the judging, she got demerits because going into hypothermia meant she
> might not be able to cut it. Huh??
>

You do know that she took some beautiful pictures? The lesson in this
episode was two-fold. 1) You are expected to take beautiful pictures in
harsh conditions, and 2) if things get bad for you, tell someone. At the
judging she got demerits because she wasn't going to tell the photographer
that she was unusually cold. She would have continued the shoot even though
her health was in the balance. Tyra is saying, do the best you can when
things are bad, but please draw the line when it comes to your personal
safety. If you notice, some of these women are all diva-ish when they
start. Its Tyra's way of opening their eyes to the real world of modeling.
Some balk at doing nude shoots, or cutting their hair or sharing a house
with other models; all the things Tyra had to do when she was starting out.

Puzz