Booed tenor says ready to sue Milan's La Scala
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Booed tenor says ready to sue Milan's La Scala
By Silvia Aloisi
Top tenor Roberto Alagna, who stormed off the stage at Milan's La Scala
after he was booed in mid-performance, said on Tuesday he would sue the
famed opera house if they did not let him return.
French-born Alagna, hailed by some critics as the new Pavarotti, walked off
Franco Zeffirelli's lavish production of Verdi's "Aida" on Sunday night
after a small section of the audience heckled him as he was singing an aria.
The incident, a first in the 230-year history of La Scala, forced a
costumeless substitute to step in and carry on singing as some in the
audience shouted "Shame on you!" Organizers later apologized to the public.
Alagna said he had told La Scala he was ready to return to the show but the
opera house had turned him down for breach of contract.
"They sent me a letter saying that the contract is annulled and that they
are not going to pay my expenses," Alagna told Reuters in a telephone
interview.
"So I went to my lawyer today and we are going to sue them," he said. "I
have been here for a month and I have worked very hard. This sanction is
just too much," he said.
A spokesman at La Scala declined comment on the content of the letter,
saying the opera house's legal advisers were studying the case.
"A professional can only leave at the end of the performance or in case of
serious accident. He left intentionally and therefore he broke his contract
with the theater and the audience," the spokesman said.
In a statement on Monday, La Scala's artistic director Stephane Lissner said
Alagna's behavior had provoked "a definitive split between the artist and
the public that La Scala has no way of fixing."
"TREATED LIKE A MONSTER"
Alagna defended his decision to walk out and said he had also been feeling
short of breath while singing.
"They are treating me like a monster, but I have not committed a crime, I've
done nothing wrong," he said.
"I went there to sing, to give the audience joy and pleasure. But what was I
supposed to do when some people started booing? What if they had thrown
stones at me or some crazy person had attacked me? La Scala should have
protected me, the show should have been suspended.
"Instead they carried on as if nothing had happened. After all, John Lennon
ended up being killed," he said.
Alagna said he felt the public still wanted him and La Scala was wrong to
close the doors on him.
"They are the ones lacking respect toward the public if they don't let me go
back. I have another five performances to do, and the audience is waiting
for me," the 43-year-old said.
Alagna had already complained about La Scala's notoriously demanding
audience, which forks out up to 2,000 euros ($2,600) for a ticket, on the
opening night of Aida, which launched the opera house's new season last
Thursday.
He compared performing there, where opera superstar Luciano Pavarotti was
also famously booed in 1992, to descending into a bullring and said he and
his wife, soprano Angela Gheorghiu, wanted to cancel future appearances.
Speaking to reporters in Milan on Monday, Alagna said he had received
messages of sympathy from singers and conductors throughout the world.
"My theater is always open for you. La Scala is a disgrace." Alagna quoted
an unnamed conductor as telling him.
Tiki Taz
edonline wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061212/people_nm/italy_tenor_dc
>
> Booed tenor says ready to sue Milan's La Scala
> By Silvia Aloisi
>
> Top tenor Roberto Alagna, who stormed off the stage at Milan's La Scala
> after he was booed in mid-performance, said on Tuesday he would sue the
> famed opera house if they did not let him return.
If there's an "Italian Idol" TV show, he should go on it. He's got the
drama-queen behaviour down perfectly.
It's the Principle!
> On 12 Dec 2006 20:21:46 GMT, "It's the Principle!"
> <bran...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>> He compared performing there, where opera superstar Luciano
>>> Pavarotti was also famously booed in 1992, to descending into a
>>> bullring and said he and his wife, soprano Angela Gheorghiu,
>>> wanted to cancel future appearances.
>
>>
>>What a stupid bitch he is. He's the one who breached the contract
>>so he has no right to even asked to go back, much less demand
>>anything else. Whatever happened to people accepting
>>responsbility for their own actions?
>
> He was booed. it wasn't his actions. It was the theaters inactions
> to childish patrons. They should have raised the lights, and
> tossed them out. What are those sort of people doing at an opera
> in the 1st place. Wouldn't they be better off sweating to the
> oldies at some wrestling match or demolition derby ? What were
> they expecting Jeff Foxworthy's blue collar TV ?
>
> An actor or singer as in this case has a reasonable expectation to
> be appearing before well behaved people that are there to hear and
> see the show vs spew their own inbred deficiencies and ruin it for
> everyone else.
>
> It's not something that should be included in a contract. Heck
> they toss hecklers out of all sorts of shows every day where the
> tickets are little more than a $10.00 cover charge or no charge at
> all.
>
> If the theater didn't toss them out after that display, they
> should be liable. And if that's the way the theater treats their
> employees, they should be taken to court.
No, no, no. Not EVEN. He chose to respond in the way he did. He
took the action that effectively terminated his contract. Yes,
maybe La Scala should have done something then and the many other
times they boo people. It's common. If that were the case, he
could go off stage and say that he won't go back until the house
throws them out, but he quit.
He is responsible for what he did in response to whatever it was.
Him alone. Period.
--
Brandy Alexandre
-- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> edonline <edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
> so he has no right to even asked to go back, much less demand
> anything else. Whatever happened to people accepting responsbility
> for their own actions?
>
> Brandy Alexandre
I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some evidence
which might show that you even understand the situation involved. This
wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
daveparks
It's the Principle! wrote:
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some
> > evidence which might show that you even understand the situation
> > involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
>
> of my best friends is a baritone. He directed and starred in Mass for
> Pope John Paul II at the Vatican. I couldn't tell you the operas he's
> done because I don't follow it, only La Traviata and Die Fledermaus
> immediately come to mind, but he's been in stage performance for YEARS.
What would one of your best friends who has been in stage performance
for YEARS do if, in the middle of his perfomance, a small group of
audience members became a distraction to him, his performance and those
in his audience, by booing/heckling with the theatre
proprietor/management ignoring it?
That La Scala's management was so quick to replace and later deny
Alagna's return, seems to indicate that other factors may be at play -
but you never know with a bunch of hot-headed Euros. :-)
> I get the gossip. I knows what goes on behind the curtain, so don't be
> trying to tell me that I don't understand anything. I probably know
> more about than anyone here. And not just by sitting prim in the
> orchestra section.
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
chef_boyhowdy!
> On 12 Dec 2006 20:21:46 GMT, "It's the Principle!" <bran...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>> He compared performing there, where opera superstar Luciano
>>> Pavarotti was also famously booed in 1992, to descending into a
>>> bullring and said he and his wife, soprano Angela Gheorghiu,
>>> wanted to cancel future appearances.
>
>>
>>What a stupid bitch he is. He's the one who breached the contract
>>so he has no right to even asked to go back, much less demand
>>anything else. Whatever happened to people accepting responsbility
>>for their own actions?
>
> He was booed. it wasn't his actions. It was the theaters inactions to childish patrons. They should have raised the lights, and tossed them out.
> What are those sort of people doing at an opera in the 1st place. Wouldn't they be better off sweating to the oldies at some wrestling match or demolition derby ? What were they expecting Jeff Foxworthy's blue collar TV ?
>
> An actor or singer as in this case has a reasonable expectation to be appearing before well behaved people that are there to hear and see the show vs spew their own inbred deficiencies and ruin it for everyone else.
>
> It's not something that should be included in a contract. Heck they toss hecklers out of all sorts of shows every day where the tickets are little more than a $10.00 cover charge or no charge at all.
>
> If the theater didn't toss them out after that display, they should be liable.
> And if that's the way the theater treats their employees, they should be taken to court.
the audience paid, they have every right to express their displeasure at a
paid performer.
chef_boyhowdy!
Including the singer. I'm behind him all the way on this. He shouldn't be
expected to compete with an audience like that.
oh please.
have YOU ever been boo'd?
its unpleasant, but you soldier on.
unless you're a fucking diva.
then you pitch a fit and walk off.
daveparks
At the expense of all other audience members?
If you don't like a film - do you continue to sit through it and
distract others who also paid to watch it and may be enjoying the it?
chef_boyhowdy!
thats correct.
> If you don't like a film - do you continue to sit through it and
> distract others who also paid to watch it and may be enjoying the it?
I have every right to sit there and yell at the film.... until my wife
tells me to shut up.
daveparks
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2006 06:48:24 -0800, daveparks wrote:
>
> > chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:42:36 -0500, kee...@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 12 Dec 2006 20:21:46 GMT, "It's the Principle!" <bran...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> He compared performing there, where opera superstar Luciano
> >>>>> Pavarotti was also famously booed in 1992, to descending into a
> >>>>> bullring and said he and his wife, soprano Angela Gheorghiu,
> >>>>> wanted to cancel future appearances.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>What a stupid bitch he is. He's the one who breached the contract
> >>>>so he has no right to even asked to go back, much less demand
> >>>>anything else. Whatever happened to people accepting responsbility
> >>>>for their own actions?
> >>>
> >>> He was booed. it wasn't his actions. It was the theaters inactions to childish patrons. They should have raised the lights, and tossed them out.
> >>> What are those sort of people doing at an opera in the 1st place. Wouldn't they be better off sweating to the oldies at some wrestling match or demolition derby ? What were they expecting Jeff Foxworthy's blue collar TV ?
> >>>
> >>> An actor or singer as in this case has a reasonable expectation to be appearing before well behaved people that are there to hear and see the show vs spew their own inbred deficiencies and ruin it for everyone else.
> >>>
> >>> It's not something that should be included in a contract. Heck they toss hecklers out of all sorts of shows every day where the tickets are little more than a $10.00 cover charge or no charge at all.
> >>>
> >>> If the theater didn't toss them out after that display, they should be liable.
> >>> And if that's the way the theater treats their employees, they should be taken to court.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> the audience paid, they have every right to express their displeasure at a
> >> paid performer.
> >
> > At the expense of all other audience members?
>
>
> thats correct.
If that's your position, then we'll have to agree to disagree - because
if I'm dissatisfied with a performer, I'll leave/walk out and address
the issue with a theatre/club/stage/etc manager, and not be a cause for
distraction by either the performer or other paying audience members.
> > If you don't like a film - do you continue to sit through it and
> > distract others who also paid to watch it and may be enjoying the it?
>
>
> I have every right to sit there and yell at the film....
And management has every right to remove someone from their theatre -
happens all the time.
> until my wife tells me to shut up.
Sounds like a smart woman. ;-)
chef_boyhowdy!
well, many people do as you do. some dont, and they have every right to
vocally express their opinion. the only person "wrong" in this, is the
singer. If I was his manager, I'd have done exactly what our road manager
told us once: "you leave that stage over my dead body. Now shut up and get
going again or i'll fucking kill you".
daveparks
It's the Principle! wrote:
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > What would one of your best friends who has been in stage
> > performance for YEARS do if, in the middle of his perfomance, a
> > small group of audience members became a distraction to him, his
> > performance and those in his audience, by booing/heckling with the
> > theatre proprietor/management ignoring it?
>
The report clearly states;
"... a small section of the audience heckled him (Alagna) as he was
singing an aria."
And later Alagna states that he feels 'La Scala' should have protected
him by suspending the show, but "instead they carried on as if nothing
had happened."
> so it's a silly question.
You took issue with Alagna's leaving the stage, and interjected that
you've a friend with many years experience in the performing arts. By
your doing so, I assumed you value your friend's opinion over Alagna's
and would address a follow-up question about someone whom you
interjected into the discussio. It's not a silly question, just asking
to see how someone with your friend's experience would have addressed
the situation.
> This newsgroup has a habit of adding embellishments to stories for the
> sake of argument. I suggest you go back to the source and ask me a
> question based on the facts.
I've just explained my question - what exactly are/were the
"embellishments" you mention?
> To begin with, my friend would not
> have disparaged Italian audiences to the Italian press days before
> beginning a run in Italy.
Perhaps your friend would not, Alagna did - should that allow certain
audience members to heckle/boo a performer during a show at the expense
of others?
> > That La Scala's management was so quick to replace and later deny
> > Alagna's return, seems to indicate that other factors may be at
> > play - but you never know with a bunch of hot-headed Euros. :-)
>
> See previous comment about the facts. We don't know what he said
> when he walked off. If you do, please quote it and cite your
> source.
I based my statement of a 'quick replacement' directly on the
information in the article;
"The incident, a first in the 230-year history of La Scala, forced a
costumeless substitute to step in and carry on singing..."
"Costumeless" would indicate 'to me', that the replacement had
insufficient time or opportunity to prepare for his appearance - ie:
the sub was on stage quickly.
The article also states;
"Alagna said he had told La Scala he was ready to return to the show
but the opera house had turned him down..."
Hence my comment about him being 'denied' to return.
I didn't claim that Alagna said anything when he walked off - if I
did, please quote it and cite your source.
> There could be a very good reason why they believe he
> terminated his contract and they will not, perhaps should not, let
> him back in.
What very good reason is that? Please quote it and cite your source.
> Quick to replace in this case was time between the walk-off and the
> understudy going out.
Yup - That's what I meant.
> Given that the mezzo had been singing a duet
> all by herself at the time he got out there, and the tenor left
> after beginning the aria, a fair bit of time passed.
Yet, apparently not enough time for the sub to get into costume?
> If you're
> saying quick to replace as in the understudy has the gig after the
> premiere quit, are you suggesting the house should close until this
> issue is worked out?
Never said or implied it - just that Alagna's sub didn't have
time to costume, and he was denied a return to the show.
Perhaps the theatre was upset about his earlier comments regarding the
"notoriously demanding audience", and are using the walk-off as an
excuse to end the contract - and that's what I meant by,
"...other factors may be at play.."
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
daveparks
That you didn't have the fortitude to stand up to an insulting road
manager doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't.
slas
It's the Principle! wrote:
> > evidence which might show that you even understand the situation
> > involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
Who? Is this really a person's name?
If you have never been to Italy, hold your tongues. Italians will boo
at the drop of a hat.
The article says this has never happened before at La Scala- which
could not be further from th truth. They whistle and boo all of the
time if the performance is not up to their standards.
daveparks
But it also later states;
"He (Alagna) compared performing there (La Scala), where opera
superstar Luciano Pavarotti was also famously booed in 1992,..."
Sloppisimo giornalismo?
chef_boyhowdy!
exactly how many tours as a professional singer and/or musician have you
done?
chef_boyhowdy!
> It's not a silly question, just asking
> to see how someone with your friend's experience would have addressed
> the situation.
now i'm gonna ask you. With all your experience in the industry and the
same situation, what would you have done and would your management have
even allowed it?
daveparks
Why? Either you have the fortitude to stand up for yourself or you
don't, right?
daveparks
With all my experience as an audience participant, and in the same
situation - I'd have told the hecklers to pipe down. If they refuse, I
go to theatre management and ask that the hecklers be removed. If
management allows the hecklers to continue, I ask for full monetary
reimbursement of the $2,600 I paid per ticket and leave. If no
reimbursement is forthcoming, it becomes a legal matter.
How about yourself?
chef_boyhowdy!
This coming from the sissy who's crying because his diva didnt have the
fortitude to stand up to a few hecklers.
Do a few tours and then get back to me, genius. Maybe you'll get a wet
nurse for a road manager who wont have you crying for mama in the bus dump
in a week.
chef_boyhowdy!
> chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
>> On 13 Dec 2006 09:36:01 -0800, daveparks wrote:
>>
>>> It's not a silly question, just asking
>>> to see how someone with your friend's experience would have addressed
>>> the situation.
>>
>>
>> now i'm gonna ask you. With all your experience in the industry and the
>> same situation, what would you have done and would your management have
>> even allowed it?
>
> With all my experience as an audience participant, I have no real knowledge of
> contracts, management, expectations, promotion, or even what the hell the difference
> between stage right and stage left is, so I'm making up a bunch of hypothetical
> bullshit based on how i think other people should act.
there, fixed it for you.
Once in Flordia we got boo'd by 5000 people. Not pretty. My amp stopped
working and them my little backup amp coughed up a tube. We stood around
for a few minutes trying to get them to work while the crowd grew hostile
and started chanting for the headlining act. We tried to flee but no avail.
Finally their manager appeared and we begged to let us borrow headliners
amp off the back line, they relented, we continued and guess what? Crowd
responded enthusiatically when we soldiered on and FINISHED THE FUCKING
SHOW.
something your hero boi apparently couldnt find the stomach for.
now lecture me about fortitude again, that was hilarious.
daveparks
> interviews. Why?
Because it was and continues to be irrelevent; to my question, and to
Alagna's walking out of his performance.
> >> See previous comment about the facts. We don't know what he said
> >> when he walked off. If you do, please quote it and cite your
> >> source.
> >
> > I based my statement of a 'quick replacement' directly on the
> > information in the article;
> > "The incident, a first in the 230-year history of La Scala, forced
> > a costumeless substitute to step in and carry on singing..."
> >
> > "Costumeless" would indicate 'to me', that the replacement had
> > insufficient time or opportunity to prepare for his appearance -
> > ie: the sub was on stage quickly.
>
> You've obviously NEVER been backstage at a live performance. Indeed
> he was in his street clothes. He was juts there because he's
> required to be there. If an understudy is going to perform, they
> arrive early, the backup costume is brought up and fitted, he warms
> up, he does the show. It's a total shock for the premiere to just
> walk off the stage. Because he was apparently nearby they sent him
> out while the wardrobe mistress went to pull his costumes. That's
> not something you can do in less than 30 minutes much less five.
Thanks for agreeing with me - but a simple, "You're right, Dave. The
sub did not have time to properly prepare." would've done.
> I don't care that you want to make a point. But your evasion of
> valid points in opposition is pretty glaring.
You don't care, yet here you are carrying on about, "your experienced
friend", "your younger experiences", "your experience backstage", yadda
yadda yadda. I've not asked anything about you or your experiences -
I've kept my comments directed at the OT and based on the OP.
> Read all the articles you like. unless you've ever been involved in
> live performance, as I was when I was younger, or know someone who's
> in it now, as I do and sit backstage, you need to allow that your
> knowledge is limited. I'm not saying take my word for everything,
> but you should take the opportunity to learn a little.
Really fascinating - but completely irrelevent to Alagna's walking out
of his performance.
> Your article doesn't say when he asked to come back. Was it 10
> minutes later? The next day? Two days later?
- It's not "my" article.
- I'm aware of the lack of details on that issue, which is why I
qualified my statement with a simple 'later denied Alagna's return'.
> If the house had
> already considered Alagna's contract null and instated the
> understudy's or got a lead in place, you can't expect them to bow to
> the diva's whim.
I must have missed that part in the OP, please cite your source, I
wouldn't want to think you're "embellishing" the situation.
> What if he "whims" out again. He's already too
> much of a liability at that point because he offended EVERYONE.
I agree - it seems that both have reason to end their relationship.
> >> Given that the mezzo had been singing a duet
> >> all by herself at the time he got out there, and the tenor left
> >> after beginning the aria, a fair bit of time passed.
> >
> > Yet, apparently not enough time for the sub to get into costume?
>
> See above
Thanks.
chef_boyhowdy!
>> You snipped the part about Alagna bashing Italian audiences in
>> interviews. Why?
>
> Because it was and continues to be irrelevent; to my question, and to
> Alagna's walking out of his performance.
thats ridiculous. it has everything to do with it. Dont you think he was
stirring the pot with those comments and probably dramatically increased
the odds that he would get a negative reaction from an Italian audience?
daveparks
Who's "crying"? Alagna had the kiwis to walk out of a situation he had
no control over - you didn't stand up to someone who said to you, "Now
shut up and get going again or i'll fucking kill you". You're worse
than a Little Diva Opera Singer. :-)
> Do a few tours and then get back to me, genius. Maybe you'll get a wet
> nurse for a road manager who wont have you crying for mama in the bus dump
> in a week.
No problem - as soon as you undergo the operation to re-attach the
balls your old road manager handed you. "Now shut up.." LOL.
daveparks
The cause of action of the hecklers hasn't been the issue - if it were,
yeah, I'd say his commenting on La Scala having a demanding audience
could have played a factor in the motivating hecklers - but since we've
not heard from them, it'd only be speculation on our part, no?
chef_boyhowdy!
seems obvious to me. he bashed them, they in turn, bashed him. he got what
he deserved. maybe even what he asked for.
daveparks
> On 13 Dec 2006 10:49:23 -0800, daveparks wrote:
>
> > chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> >> On 13 Dec 2006 09:36:01 -0800, daveparks wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's not a silly question, just asking
> >>> to see how someone with your friend's experience would have addressed
> >>> the situation.
> >>
> >>
> >> now i'm gonna ask you. With all your experience in the industry and the
> >> same situation, what would you have done and would your management have
> >> even allowed it?
> >
> > With all my experience as an audience participant, I have no real knowledge of
> > contracts, management, expectations, promotion, or even what the hell the difference
> > between stage right and stage left is, so I'm making up a bunch of hypothetical
> > bullshit based on how i think other people should act.
>
> there, fixed it for you.
So now I have to be some online loser musician who was boo'd by 5000
people in order to comment on Alagna's walk out? I don't think so.
> Once in Flordia we got boo'd by 5000 people. Not pretty. My amp stopped
> working and them my little backup amp coughed up a tube. We stood around
> for a few minutes trying to get them to work while the crowd grew hostile
> and started chanting for the headlining act. We tried to flee but no avail.
> Finally their manager appeared and we begged to let us borrow headliners
> amp off the back line, they relented, we continued and guess what? Crowd
> responded enthusiatically when we soldiered on and FINISHED THE FUCKING
> SHOW.
So you were bailed out by the main act's manager? Sounds like
something Alagna didn't feel he had on stage, support.
> something your hero boi apparently couldnt find the stomach for.
If you say so - having never spoken with him or seen follow up
interviews, I wouldn't know.
> now lecture me about fortitude again, that was hilarious.
Sure, whatchoo wanna know?
chef_boyhowdy!
.
>
> So now I have to be some online loser musician who was boo'd by 5000
> people in order to comment on Alagna's walk out? I don't think so.
you can make a comment, but its ignorant, borne of inexperience, and
completely one-sided. Like I said. Get some experience in the subject, your
opinions just might change.
its the entertainment world. people in the audiences are cruel. just lookit
this newsgroup as a whole. you are no exception. you have no idea who I am
(alto i am not famous, you may well have heard me) and you automatically
call me loser, because what, I got boo'd once? You're no better than the
audience in Italy. You are every bit as bad.
>> Once in Flordia we got boo'd by 5000 people. Not pretty. My amp stopped
>> working and them my little backup amp coughed up a tube. We stood around
>> for a few minutes trying to get them to work while the crowd grew hostile
>> and started chanting for the headlining act. We tried to flee but no avail.
>> Finally their manager appeared and we begged to let us borrow headliners
>> amp off the back line, they relented, we continued and guess what? Crowd
>> responded enthusiatically when we soldiered on and FINISHED THE FUCKING
>> SHOW.
>
> So you were bailed out by the main act's manager?
bailed out? He let us use his guy's amp. I PLAYED THE FUCKING THING.
you call that bailing out? if anybody got bailed out, its this diva who
walked and got the understudy to finish.
Sounds like
> something Alagna didn't feel he had on stage, support.
he acted like a stuck up egomaniac asshole and he's getting his ass busted,
all over the world, from the opera comminuty.
justice is served.
carry on slurping his knob, if you want. all i wanna know is, why do you
feel the need to defend this guy? walking off a show is unforgiveable, in
my opinion, unless they are threatening your with physical harm, throwing
stuff at you that might get you hurt, the stage is collapsing etc
LidsvilleNine
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:42:36 -0500, kee...@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
>
> > On 12 Dec 2006 20:21:46 GMT, "It's the Principle!" <bran...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> He compared performing there, where opera superstar Luciano
> >>> Pavarotti was also famously booed in 1992, to descending into a
> >>> bullring and said he and his wife, soprano Angela Gheorghiu,
> >>> wanted to cancel future appearances.
> >
> >>
> >>What a stupid bitch he is. He's the one who breached the contract
> >>so he has no right to even asked to go back, much less demand
> >>anything else. Whatever happened to people accepting responsbility
> >>for their own actions?
> >
> > He was booed. it wasn't his actions. It was the theaters inactions to childish patrons. They should have raised the lights, and tossed them out.
> > What are those sort of people doing at an opera in the 1st place. Wouldn't they be better off sweating to the oldies at some wrestling match or demolition derby ? What were they expecting Jeff Foxworthy's blue collar TV ?
> >
> > An actor or singer as in this case has a reasonable expectation to be appearing before well behaved people that are there to hear and see the show vs spew their own inbred deficiencies and ruin it for everyone else.
> >
> > It's not something that should be included in a contract. Heck they toss hecklers out of all sorts of shows every day where the tickets are little more than a $10.00 cover charge or no charge at all.
> >
> > If the theater didn't toss them out after that display, they should be liable.
> > And if that's the way the theater treats their employees, they should be taken to court.
>
>
>
> the audience paid, they have every right to express their displeasure at a
> paid performer.
That's in sports. There is a bit of dignity in the Arts. The audience
gets their opportunity when it's time to applaud or boo. The best form
of protest is to LEAVE. Nothing speaks more loudly. The fact that the
hecklers remained proves that they wanted to show off more than enjoy a
performance. Sounds like adults acting like kids fighting over turf.
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some
> > evidence which might show that you even understand the situation
> > involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
>
> of my best friends is a baritone. He directed and starred in Mass for
> Pope John Paul II at the Vatican. I couldn't tell you the operas he's
> done because I don't follow it, only La Traviata and Die Fledermaus
> immediately come to mind, but he's been in stage performance for YEARS.
> I get the gossip. I knows what goes on behind the curtain, so don't be
> trying to tell me that I don't understand anything. I probably know
> more about than anyone here. And not just by sitting prim in the
> orchestra section.
If you are indeed an orchestra member for an Opera company, that should
give you the experience to know better. The gossip part is just that.
Gossip.
I have to admit that in all the years before I became a recovering
Catholic I never heard any reference to "starring" in a Mass, but it is
funny, and I can picture it.
You might enjoy the Doo-Wop Mass that some friends and I wrote in
College. It got the Christian Brothers to halt their efforts to recruit
us.
"a-bop bop bop ---- bop body-a-christ...BOP BOP BOP.........." well,
you get the picture lol
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some
> > evidence which might show that you even understand the situation
> > involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
>
> I'd like to see you back up your own that make you think I don't.
Just my observations of your absurd posturing on this group. You act
annoyed and attacked on almost every front, pretending to be "forced"
to reply to other posts. You become immediately condescending and rude
to anyone who doesn't agree with or understand your posts. I don't
doubt that you possess intelligence, but there is something very much
amiss.
One
> of my best friends is a baritone.
One of my best friends is a retired chief of Supreme Court judges for
the state. That means I still know less than fertilizer about Law.
He directed and starred in Mass for
> Pope John Paul II at the Vatican.
People rarely boo at Masses, although they do occasionally walk out.
I couldn't tell you the operas he's
> done because I don't follow it,
That's not important, but you have the gossip part down, right?
only La Traviata and Die Fledermaus
> immediately come to mind, but he's been in stage performance for YEARS.
> I get the gossip. I knows what goes on behind the curtain,
I knows my alphabets.
so don't be
> trying to tell me that I don't understand anything.
No prob. You're doing fine all by yourself.
I probably know
> more about than anyone here.
Not well communicated, but I get the gist. Try me.
And not just by sitting prim in the
> orchestra section.
Please, tell us more with regard to this.
LidsvilleNine
slas wrote:
> It's the Principle! wrote:
> > LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> > alt.gossip.celebrities:
> >
> > >
> > > I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some
> > > evidence which might show that you even understand the situation
> > > involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
>
> Who? Is this really a person's name?
Yes. Are you familiar with trailer parks? We have many of them here
and his "music" blasts loudly from many of them. You can't miss him on
TV, he looks just like all the other Country singers who are popular.
>
> If you have never been to Italy, hold your tongues. Italians will boo
> at the drop of a hat.
Well, in parts of Italy they still squat over a hole in the floor, too.
That doesn't mean that those people set the World standard for decorum.
>
> The article says this has never happened before at La Scala- which
> could not be further from th truth. They whistle and boo all of the
> time if the performance is not up to their standards.
Have you heard of the Apollo Theatre in the 'States? We can relate,
but on a much lower level. :)
LidsvilleNine
She appantly only sits backstage or primly in the pit.
LidsvilleNine
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2006 10:49:23 -0800, daveparks wrote:
>
> > chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> >> On 13 Dec 2006 09:36:01 -0800, daveparks wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's not a silly question, just asking
> >>> to see how someone with your friend's experience would have addressed
> >>> the situation.
> >>
> >>
> >> now i'm gonna ask you. With all your experience in the industry and the
> >> same situation, what would you have done and would your management have
> >> even allowed it?
> >
> > With all my experience as an audience participant, I have no real knowledge of
> > contracts, management, expectations, promotion, or even what the hell the difference
> > between stage right and stage left is, so I'm making up a bunch of hypothetical
> > bullshit based on how i think other people should act.
>
> there, fixed it for you.
>
> Once in Flordia we got boo'd by 5000 people. Not pretty. My amp stopped
> working and them my little backup amp coughed up a tube.
My God. Just how much did you guys suck? It sounds as if you could
write a tome on the subject of being booed across the Globe!
LidsvilleNine
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2006 11:52:11 -0800, daveparks wrote:
>
> .
> >
> > So now I have to be some online loser musician who was boo'd by 5000
> > people in order to comment on Alagna's walk out? I don't think so.
>
> you can make a comment, but its ignorant, borne of inexperience, and
> completely one-sided. Like I said. Get some experience in the subject, your
> opinions just might change.
Dave, listen up to this guy. He's wroking on an honorary doctorate in
being booed.
>
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
> himself up for a good booing.
Now, there is some substance in this. I would say that if we could get
more information on that first performance, we might come to some
enlightenment agreement.
>
LidsvilleNine
Ach! I'd like to be able to say I meant "wroking", but it's just not a
viable word.
> >
chef_boyhowdy!
> It's the Principle! wrote:
>> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>>
>>>
>>> I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some
>>> evidence which might show that you even understand the situation
>>> involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
>>
>> I'd like to see you back up your own that make you think I don't.
>
> Just my observations of your absurd posturing on this group. You act
> annoyed and attacked on almost every front, pretending to be "forced"
> to reply to other posts. You become immediately condescending and rude
> to anyone who doesn't agree with or understand your posts. I don't
> doubt that you possess intelligence, but there is something very much
> amiss.
wow. if you're Lefty, using yet another nick, look in the mirror, whacky.
chef_boyhowdy!
we got boo'd once. it happens to lots of bands you know. oh wait. thats
right. neither of you two self-righteous pansies ever worked instage or
studio, so you dont know. anything. about any of this.
LidsvilleNine
?. My profile is available for all to see, unlike most people here.
LidsvilleNine
You're right. I've never been booed. I have, however performed with our
Symphony (big deal, it's a town of 40,000 - not exactly the Big Time.)
for 28 years on clarinet and bass clarinet and am the immediate past
president. My college degree is in Music education,which included much
performing. I've directed concert and jazz bands before various
audiences and for competitions. I've sung and played guitar with bands
and solo at weddings and church services/Masses. I've played guitar,
clarinet, bass clarinet, altosaxophone, tenor saxophone and bassoon in
pit and stage orchestras and parade bands for 35 years. I played solo
guitar for our Governor at the Governor's Mansion here in Missouri.
I've played guitar,clarinet, altos saxophone and tenor saxophone in a
professional Big Band Jazz orchestra, and for one year I rehearsed it
and directed it at performances.
Those are off the top of my head.
It's the Principle!
alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> It's the Principle! wrote:
>> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>>
>> >
>> > I would be curious to hear you back up your comments with some
>> > evidence which might show that you even understand the
>> > situation involved. This wasn't a Travis Tritt concert.
>>
>> I'd like to see you back up your own that make you think I don't.
>> One of my best friends is a baritone. He directed and starred
>> in Mass for Pope John Paul II at the Vatican. I couldn't tell
>> you the operas he's done because I don't follow it, only La
>> Traviata and Die Fledermaus immediately come to mind, but he's
>> been in stage performance for YEARS. I get the gossip. I knows
>> what goes on behind the curtain, so don't be trying to tell me
>> that I don't understand anything. I probably know more about
>> than anyone here. And not just by sitting prim in the orchestra
>> section.
>
> If you are indeed an orchestra member for an Opera company, that
> should give you the experience to know better. The gossip part is
> just that. Gossip.
For someone who tried to present themselves as a better by saying
I'm a patron of Travis Tritt, you're remarkably uninformed about
seating sections in the better venues.
> I have to admit that in all the years before I became a recovering
> Catholic I never heard any reference to "starring" in a Mass, but
> it is funny, and I can picture it.
I repeat the above. It's a famous work by Leonard Bernstein
commissioned by Jackie O for the opening of the Kennedy Centre. You
know, that high falutin' place where Jessica Simpson recently
embarrassed herself. Perhaps that's a name you're familiar with.
> You might enjoy the Doo-Wop Mass that some friends and I wrote in
> College. It got the Christian Brothers to halt their efforts to
> recruit us.
> "a-bop bop bop ---- bop body-a-christ...BOP BOP BOP.........."
> well, you get the picture lol
Doesn't your ignorance cause you your own level of ebmarrassment
sometimes, or are you just oblivious?
--
Brandy Alexandre
-- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
daveparks
chef_boyhowdy! wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2006 11:52:11 -0800, daveparks wrote:
>
> .
> >
> > So now I have to be some online loser musician who was boo'd by 5000
> > people in order to comment on Alagna's walk out? I don't think so.
>
> you can make a comment, but its ignorant, borne of inexperience, and
> completely one-sided. Like I said. Get some experience in the subject, your
> opinions just might change.
Why must anyone have years of experience as a musician in order to know
that heckling someone and becoming a distraction during a live
performance is a bad thing?
It's simple - Alagna was performing on stage, a group of people were
heckling, Alagna chose to extricate himself from the situation.
That you may have chosen to stay on stage is fine, Alagna did not - a
spokesman for La Scala stated;
"A professional can only leave at the end of the performance or in case
of serious accident. He left intentionally and therefore he broke his
contract with the theater and the audience,"
If leaving the stage "only" "at the end of a performance or in case of
a serious accident" is specified in the contract between Alagna and La
Scala, then Alagna blew it and has no case - if it's not, and the
La Scala spokesman is just offering his opinion, then La Scala blew it
and Alagna should prevail.
> its the entertainment world. people in the audiences are cruel. just lookit
> this newsgroup as a whole. you are no exception. you have no idea who I am
> (alto i am not famous, you may well have heard me) and you automatically
> call me loser, because what, I got boo'd once? You're no better than the
> audience in Italy. You are every bit as bad.
But that I may or may not have heard of you, or that cruel people
exist, is irrelevant - you're interjecting personal emotional
experience into what is now a legal issue between Alagna and La Scala.
The facts are what will decide who now wins the situation.
We know;
- Alagna was contracted to perform that evening.
- He was performing that evening.
- During that performance, several audience members heckled/boo'd
him.
- Alagna walked off.
Algana is now in the position of justifying his stage exit as being
more than just caused by the heckling, which he has started by;
mentioning his physical condition during the performance, his
intentions of performing/pleasuring the audience, and of being in fear
for his welfare from stones, a crazed attacker, and finally
interjecting John Lennon's murder.
La Scala hasn't stated much that would be relative to legal
proceedings, minus the previous quote re:end of performance or serious
accident as the only cause to exit the stage, which I doubt is in the
contract.
> >> Once in Flordia we got boo'd by 5000 people. Not pretty. My amp stopped
> >> working and them my little backup amp coughed up a tube. We stood around
> >> for a few minutes trying to get them to work while the crowd grew hostile
> >> and started chanting for the headlining act. We tried to flee but no avail.
> >> Finally their manager appeared and we begged to let us borrow headliners
> >> amp off the back line, they relented, we continued and guess what? Crowd
> >> responded enthusiatically when we soldiered on and FINISHED THE FUCKING
> >> SHOW.
> >
> > So you were bailed out by the main act's manager?
>
> bailed out? He let us use his guy's amp. I PLAYED THE FUCKING THING.
I understand that "bailed out" is a subjective term - but was
that manager under any obligation to you to lend you his equipment? If
not, I'd say his actions did "bail" you out of a sticky situation - no?
> you call that bailing out? if anybody got bailed out, its this diva who
> walked and got the understudy to finish.
Alagna did walk out - but wouldn't it have been the theatre
management who asked the understudy to finish? I'm just guessing,
given my limited knowledge of how something as complex as a theatre
performance operates and all.
> Sounds like something Alagna didn't feel he had on stage, support.
>
> he acted like a stuck up egomaniac asshole and he's getting his ass busted,
> all over the world, from the opera comminuty.
Did he? I'm referring to that evening's performance and the
information within the OP, neither of which indicate that Alagna was
acting anything other than professionally up until he left the stage.
> justice is served.
>
> carry on slurping his knob, if you want.
LOL. I'm not slurping anyone's knob, they're called jalaneo potato
chips - I'm just discussing someone who'd had enough of a bunch of
hecklers and walked out.
> all i wanna know is, why do you
> feel the need to defend this guy? walking off a show is unforgiveable, in
> my opinion, unless they are threatening your with physical harm, throwing
> stuff at you that might get you hurt, the stage is collapsing etc
The guy's an Opera performer, not in a rock band where roadies or
security run off hecklers or the band members themselves jump in and
throw down, or a comedian (well, most) who are used to defending
himself on stage - the guy primps and sings, and the audience paid
$2,600 bucks a pop to watch him do so. Don't now about you, but if I
lay down that kind of money on a concert ticket, you can be sure the
hecklers would've been the ones to leave and Opera boy would have sung
the dang song.
Do you or your audience regularly put up with hecklers?
daveparks
I didn't see that coming - completely LOL'd.
daveparks
I've never been boo'd - ever.
daveparks
But you admit to never having been boo'd - so your opinions mustn't
matter to the good 'chef'. ;-)
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> performance whatsoever. At least not indoors. Your guitar box open
> for change in the dry grass with an itchy dog by your side doesn't
> count.
Call yourself bullshit. Here is the link to our Symphony web page. As
we've recently redesignated assignments, we have a new webmaster and
the page is out of date by a month. That is why I am still listed as
president.
http://www.jcsymphony.org/board.html
LidsvilleNine
See. You continue to prove each point I've made regarding you and your
self-important little mind tarentella. It is your inherent
egocentricity which causes you to make every single comment or issue
"all about you".
>
> > I have to admit that in all the years before I became a recovering
> > Catholic I never heard any reference to "starring" in a Mass, but
> > it is funny, and I can picture it.
>
> I repeat the above. It's a famous work by Leonard Bernstein
> commissioned by Jackie O for the opening of the Kennedy Centre.
The story changes. First it was "a Mass". See, Brandy, either you
assumed that you were in a league above the rest of us,or you had to go
ask the name of the composer. The piece is indeed famous. Do you know
the name?
You
> know, that high falutin' place where Jessica Simpson recently
> embarrassed herself. Perhaps that's a name you're familiar with.
>
> > You might enjoy the Doo-Wop Mass that some friends and I wrote in
> > College. It got the Christian Brothers to halt their efforts to
> > recruit us.
> > "a-bop bop bop ---- bop body-a-christ...BOP BOP BOP.........."
> > well, you get the picture lol
>
> Doesn't your ignorance cause you your own level of ebmarrassment
> sometimes, or are you just oblivious?
I think that isn't cat hair you taste, Brandy.
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> what you think the orchestra section is and we never have to listen
> to another blithering word from you again. You will have crowned
> yourself the king of all morons.
How would I assume that you aren't even a musician? You're talking
about the audience. We have an auditorium manager to handle seating. I
generally sit with the musicians.
You dodged every opportunity I gave you to state your credentials, now
I see why. You already shot that wad.
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> didn't write that.
Really. Your alter-ego, perhaps?
LidsvilleNine
> The huge majority of Usenet denizens do NOT use Google.
Well, a pat on the head goes out to Brandy. Sinde I live mostly in the
real world and not on Usenet, I choose to visit via Google, strictly
for convenience. This is a very old and knee-jerk, "our farts smell
better than theirs" sort of snobbery which has gone out of style. Who
gives a flying farandole about your newsreader of choice?
It's the Principle!
alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> It's the Principle! wrote:
>> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> See. You continue to prove each point I've made regarding you and
> your self-important little mind tarentella. It is your inherent
> egocentricity which causes you to make every single comment or
> issue "all about you".
You comments were all about me. You have made it an absolute mission
to attack every element of my every post. I'm allowed to defend it and
point out your errors as they apply to your reply. I'm sorry you don't
like it. You'll have to get used to it because you're wrong a LOT.
> The story changes. First it was "a Mass".
No, it wasn't. You just can't read, in addition to all of your other
failures. Why don't you quote the article? Oh... wait... that would
show you're WRONG. Here ya go. Here's YOUR message ID where my quoted
text resides the first time around. Friggin' idiot.
<1166041767....@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>
> See, Brandy, either you
> assumed that you were in a league above the rest of us,or you had
> to go ask the name of the composer. The piece is indeed famous. Do
> you know the name?
Blah, blah, blah. Yes I do. I posted it earlier.
--
Brandy Alexandre
--Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
It's the Principle!
Give it UP already. You're trying to say you are such an absolute
moron you don't even know anything about the symphony at all? Nothing?
My friend "only" performs, but he knows the houses inside and out
because he had to project to the four corners. You wouldn't know
because you don't actually do anything but lick up the dumping of spit
valves. You've never, ever, in your entire life, been in an audience?
Do you know how stupid that "explanation" made you look? I'll help--
MONSTROUSLY.
I haven't dodged a single thing. I have blown off your attempts to
spin your idiotic responses by asking stupid questions based on them,
but letting you twist in the wind is hardly a dodge; it's an amusement.
--
Brandy Alexandre
--Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
It's the Principle!
Nobody, I'm sure. I'm just pointing out that most people don't have
a handy click to your profile, nor to they care.
--
Brandy Alexandre
--Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
LidsvilleNine
> can figure them out because no one else can.
I was referring directly to your comment. You figure out what you
meant.
>
>
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
LidsvilleNine
I bet all of your reasons for living are selfish.
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >
> > It's the Principle! wrote:
>
> >>
> >> All you need to do is comment on your incorrect interpretation of
> >> what you think the orchestra section is and we never have to
> >> listen to another blithering word from you again. You will have
> >> crowned yourself the king of all morons.
> >
> > How would I assume that you aren't even a musician? You're
> > talking about the audience. We have an auditorium manager to
> > handle seating. I generally sit with the musicians.
> > You dodged every opportunity I gave you to state your credentials,
> > now I see why. You already shot that wad.
>
>
> Give it UP already. You're trying to say you are such an absolute
> moron you don't even know anything about the symphony at all? Nothing?
> My friend "only" performs, but he knows the houses inside and out
> because he had to project to the four corners. You wouldn't know
> because you don't actually do anything but lick up the dumping of spit
> valves. You've never, ever, in your entire life, been in an audience?
> Do you know how stupid that "explanation" made you look? I'll help--
> MONSTROUSLY.
Your obsession with making pedestrian assumptions and twisting my words
is wearing thin, Brandy. I know more about every inch of an auditorium
than you know about your own self-importance. You were so haughty and
all-knowing that I figured you were claiming to be a musician. It was
laughable to think you actually were bragging about sitting in the
orchestra SEATING.
>
> I haven't dodged a single thing. I have blown off your attempts to
> spin your idiotic responses by asking stupid questions based on them,
> but letting you twist in the wind is hardly a dodge; it's an amusement.
You'll need another bolt or two of burlap to cover your ass.
daveparks
It's the Principle! wrote:
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
> Italians. It's just not the same there as here.
Given that Alagna was unsettled enough to leave the stage
mid-performance, is it not safe to assume that heckling is as equally
unappreciated in Italy as it is in America?
And in what culture *is* uninvited audience heckling welcomed by
someone singing a solo, and were any of them present during Alagna's
aria?
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
daveparks
> > mid-performance, is it not safe to assume that heckling is as equally
> > unappreciated in Italy as it is in America?
>
> he's used to.
But isn't "he" the topic of this thread?
And interject the goings on in France? The incident took place in
Italy.
> And he wasn't unsettled, he was overly sensitive and
> offended and demonstrated that by doing what no performer ever does who
> expects to have a career afterward.
"Unsettled" is subjective, but it's an unbiased descriptoin of what any
performer may feel at being heckled - simply "unsettled". "Overly
sensitive" is equally subjective, but displays your clear baised
against the performer - I agree with you on "Offended", as Alagna
clearly was.
> > And in what culture *is* uninvited audience heckling welcomed by
> > someone singing a solo, and were any of them present during Alagna's
> > aria?
>
> Maybe you haven't read all the way through the articles you've quoted.
> Booing "not heckling" (you're trying to make it sound like a Michael
> Kramer thing and it wasn't) is common there.
Have you read beyond the first article sentence? Here's the second in
it's entirety;
"French-born Alagna, hailed by some critics as the new Pavarotti,
walked off Franco Zeffirelli's lavish production of Verdi's "Aida" on
Sunday night after a small section of *the audience heckled him* as he
was singing an aria."
I've *highlighted* the part there for you. You can admit to being
wrong anytime, it's okay.
> What part of that don't you understand?
The part where you keep being wrong, then making yourself look even
worse with a laughable attempt at an insult? ;-)
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
chef_boyhowdy!
> LidsvilleNine <Lidsvi...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
>> Your obsession with making pedestrian assumptions and twisting my
>> words is wearing thin, Brandy. I know more about every inch of an
>> auditorium than you know about your own self-importance. You were
>> so haughty and all-knowing that I figured you were claiming to be
>> a musician. It was laughable to think you actually were bragging
>> about sitting in the orchestra SEATING.
>
> Yeah, whatever. I never said anything about my sitting anywhere in a
> venue. Once again, you can't even read. Nonetheless, when I said the
> orchestra section, three times you thought I meant the pit. Now you're
> desperately failing in trying to spin yourself out of another blunder
> that made you look stupid.
>
> Funny. In the last post you said you didn't know because you leave all
> that to the manager. You can try to spin it all you like, but the
> truth is glaring. Don't forget, you're the one who jumped in to attack
> my knowledge and experience. You're the one who make yourself look
> like an idiot. It's not self-important to point out your stupidity.
> It's probably just bad manners. But you're trying so hard and doing it
> so often because of it, it's worth mentioning.
Brandy, I dont know why you're bothering with these two people.
OK so Lidsville does have considerable music experience, but seems to have
some personal axe to grind against you; nothing you say will ever be met
with anything except scorn; and DaveParks couldnt find his bassanova from
his butt. No matter what points your arguments make with either of these
two people, they will turn it around and make it into a personal attack on
you.
If they want to continue to support some fuckfaced primadonna opera ninny
who got his precious ego bruised and walked offstage, let them keep blowing
him. They may as well take their boot lickings to Italy and try them on the
Italians. Now THAT would be interesting.
Lily
<<At the expense of all other audience members? If you don't like a film
- do you continue to sit through it and distract others who also paid to
watch it and may be enjoying the it?>>
The people behind me in the movies always do!
Lily
Lily
superstar Luciano Pavarotti was also famously booed in 1992,...">>
Booing happens. I haven't heard about any instances other than this one
for a long time, but it used to be en element of a clacque/anti-clacque
game.
Lily
LidsvilleNine
My friend Carmine Vignola assures me that you are not representative of
the typical Italian citizen. Thank goodness.
It's the Principle!
>
> The part where you keep being wrong
BTW, I'm not wrong about anything, and how ignorant of you to believe
that just because an opinion differs from yours that it's wrong. A
different opinion is never wrong; just different. In fact, being more
familiar with and closer to the performing arts, mine is more "right"
than yours, and I'm not ashamed to say so. It's just a fact.
LidsvilleNine
It's the Principle! wrote:
>
> >
> > The part where you keep being wrong
>
> BTW, I'm not wrong about anything, and how ignorant of you to believe
> that just because an opinion differs from yours that it's wrong. A
> different opinion is never wrong; just different. In fact, being more
> familiar with and closer to the performing arts, mine is more "right"
> than yours, and I'm not ashamed to say so. It's just a fact.
Remember, Dave -
her words mean precisely what she wants them to mean at that moment. No
more, no less.
daveparks
It's the Principle! wrote:
> daveparks <davepa...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
> >> > Given that Alagna was unsettled enough to leave the stage
> >> > mid-performance, is it not safe to assume that heckling is as
> >> > equally unappreciated in Italy as it is in America?
> >>
> >> No, perhaps in France, where he's from, but I can't comment on
> >> what he's used to.
> >
> > But isn't "he" the topic of this thread?
> > And interject the goings on in France? The incident took place in
> > Italy.
>
And "his actions" "taken at face value" are exactly what I've been
attempting to discuss.
It is you who keep interjecting irrelevent issues and info - and "his
actions" were simple; there were a group of hecklers in the audience,
and Alagna chose to leave the stage. Minus any additional information,
"real" information, not conjecture based on 'your' experiences, 'your'
youth, 'your' best friends, or 'your' conceptions or biases regarding
Alagna's birthplace, I don't begrudge any artist from making that call.
> What he's used to has nothing to do with what happened and how he responded.
I agree, so why did 'you' bring what "he's used to" into the
discussion?
> He was a diva who gave the audience the Italian version of a flip-off and stormed off
> stage.
Perhaps - and perhaps the Italian version of a flip-off is exactly what
a heckling audience deserves.
> > "French-born Alagna, {snip]
>
> And there you answer your own question about why I mention France.
No - you're taking my quote out of context, I'll remind you;
You took exception to my description of the event as "heckling" by
stating;
"Maybe you haven't read all the way through the articles you've quoted.
Booing "not heckling" (you're trying to make it sound like a Michael
Kramer thing and it wasn't) is common there."
I simply pointed out that "heckling" was exactly how the event was
described, and was so in just the second sentence of the original
article here;
"French-born Alagna, hailed by some critics as the new Pavarotti,
walked off Franco Zeffirelli's lavish production of Verdi's "Aida" on
Sunday night after a small section of *the audience heckled him* as he
was singing an aria."
I even took the added step of *highlighting* the exact verbage
disproving your contention.
You've now conveniently [snipped] most of that text and your erroneous
comments, and have now chosen to apply only the first few words to yet
another one of *your* irrelevent interjections - which apparently
you're in need of reminding again, you wrote;
"No, perhaps in France, where he's from, but I can't comment on what
he's used to. And he wasn't unsettled, he was overly sensitive and
offended and demonstrated that by doing what no performer ever does who
expects to have a career afterward."
See there? Fourth word in - yours.
It's really odd that you continue to interject irrelevent issues and
information into a discussion, and then argue and take issue about
those very same items - odd, yet entertaining in a train-wreck sort of
spectacle. ;-)
daveparks
It's the Principle! wrote:
>
> >
> > The part where you keep being wrong
>
> BTW, I'm not wrong about anything,
Were you or were you not wrong about the specific "heckling"
description as stated in the second sentence of the article, or is that
more information which you will later conveniently [snip]?
> and how ignorant of you to believe
> that just because an opinion differs from yours that it's wrong.
Youre stating that "Booing "not heckling"", was not a stated opinion,
yours was a statement of fact, and you were wrong. As far calling any
of 'your' opinions "wrong", I'll ask you to please cite the instances
where I've done so - because I'm sure you wouldn't want to be accused
of embelleshing the discussion for sake of argument.
> A different opinion is never wrong; just different.
And I fully agree.
> In fact, being more familiar with and closer to the performing arts, mine is more "right"
> than yours, and I'm not ashamed to say so. It's just a fact.
LOL ... Good one, I almost thought you were serious.
daveparks
LidsvilleNine wrote:
> It's the Principle! wrote:
> > daveparks <davepa...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
> >
> > >
> > > The part where you keep being wrong
> >
> > BTW, I'm not wrong about anything, and how ignorant of you to believe
> > that just because an opinion differs from yours that it's wrong. A
> > different opinion is never wrong; just different. In fact, being more
> > familiar with and closer to the performing arts, mine is more "right"
> > than yours, and I'm not ashamed to say so. It's just a fact.
>
> Remember, Dave -
> her words mean precisely what she wants them to mean at that moment. No
> more, no less.
You know what's funny is, with "all" this closeness, insider info and
friends, and experience in the "performing arts" and all, both "It's
the Principle!" and "chef_boyhowdy!" side with the hecklers. ;-)
chef_boyhowdy!
> daveparks <davepa...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
>>> His actions are the subject taken at face value.
>>
>> And "his actions" "taken at face value" are exactly what I've been
>> attempting to discuss.
>> It is you who keep interjecting irrelevent issues and info
>
> You the one mired in irrelevence. His actions. "His actions." Stop
> there. What were his actions? He walked off the stage in the middle
> of a performance. Stop. That's exactly where you stop and judge his
> actions. The rest is all bullshit. You judge him based on what he
> did, not what someone else did. No one made him do what he did. He is
> responsible for his actions. That is the face value. You'll never get
> it because you're an apologist and probably someone who doesn't like to
> be held accountable for you do. That's just disgusting.
They're just yanking your chain. I cant understand why this has gone on as
long as it has. they wana keep slurping that guys dong, let them. I cant
understand why on earth someone would bend over so far to take the
broomstick of apology for somebody who walked offstage like that. But, I
dont care. Parks doesnt know shit about music, so let him pretend.
daveparks
On Dec 19, 10:24 am, chef_boyhowdy! <attila_the_ton...@nowaynohow.com>
wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 13:26:59 GMT, It's the Principle! wrote:
>
>
>
> > daveparks <daveparks...@hotmail.com> wrote in
Ahh, the ol' 12yo insult routine when you feel emasculated.
No wonder your old stage manager cursed you out like a little bitch and
you just took it. How'd that go again?;
"you leave that stage over my dead body. Now shut up and get going
again or i'll fucking kill you".
So how'd you enjoy bending over for 'his' knob?
daveparks
On Dec 19, 11:17 am, "It's the Principle!"
<brandy...@kittylitternewsguy.com> wrote:
> chef_boyhowdy! <attila_the_ton...@nowaynohow.com> wrote in
> alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
>
>
> > On 19 Dec 2006 13:26:59 GMT, It's the Principle! wrote:
>
> >> daveparks <daveparks...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> It's because he's obsessive and has to be right.
>
> Why else would someone pull out a three dya old article and start
> beating a dead horse again.
You're telling me - he's quiet for almost a week, then 'chef_boyhowdy!'
cranks it up again.
Oh, but if you're referrign to me, it's because you replied on Friday
and I didn't see it an dreply until yesterday? Duh.
I wasn't aware that there was a timetable for posting in the NG, where
is it located?
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
chef_boyhowdy!
typical of ignorant, inexperienced know-it-alls who never worked a day in
their lives in the field of the subject being discussed; simply ridicule
and insult the experience of someone who has.
You're really pathetic. I wont answer you again, you're not worth the
trouble of reading. Morons like you are a dime a dozen on the internet,
running your mouth about stuff you dont have a fucking clue about.
Brandy, I dont know why you are wasting your time.
daveparks
On Dec 19, 12:54 pm, chef_boyhowdy! <attila_the_ton...@nowaynohow.com>
Yeah yeah yeah - if you say so. You're some impressive big deal foul
mouthed musician who's been booed by the thousands and had your balls
handed to you by an equally classy stage manager, yadda yadda yadda, I
get it, "Now shut up and get going.." LOL..
And what is it with you and broomsticks and knob slurping? Another
personal experience of yours?
Way to go in highjacking a thread and making it about 'you' and your
craptastic personal experiences.
daveparks
It's the Principle! wrote:
>
> > Way to go in highjacking a thread and making it about 'you' and your
> > craptastic personal experiences.
>
If you say so.
> He didn't run crying from the stage because something did go the way he expected.
> Your tenor did.
There you go again with your, what was it 'you' called them? Oh yeah,
"embellishments".
I must have missed where it stated that Alagna ran "crying from the
stage because something did go the way he expected." - care to post a
cite? Yeah, I didn't think so.
> He's a pussy and unprofessional.
A "pussy"? Perhaps in your own little fantasy world of Pope
entertaining baritones. I could agree with "unprofessional", but given
that the issue is still under investigation I'll reserve judgement,
unlike yourself.
> Defend him all you like, but it just clues as to
> what *you* are like and it's ugly.
That's fine - and you feel free to continue to defend the Italian,
French, or whatever country of your preference, ill-mannered hecklers,
and I'm sure they'll agree with you.
> I'm done with you.
Oh no, what am I going to do?!
Oh yeah, nothing.
> --
> Brandy Alexandre
>
> -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=
chef_boyhowdy!
> daveparks <davepa...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.gossip.celebrities:
>
>> Way to go in highjacking a thread and making it about 'you' and your
>> craptastic personal experiences.
>
> His experience is valid. He didn't run crying from the stage because
> something did go the way he expected. Your tenor did. He's a pussy
> and unprofessional. Defend him all you like, but it just clues as to
> what *you* are like and it's ugly. I'm done with you.
exactly. notice how anything I say will be returned by Parks as a personal
attack on me. He attacks my personal musical experience, because HE DOESNT
HAVE ANY, and then re-attacks me by saying I'm trying to make the thread
about me, when its he that keeps bringing me up! Bwahahaha!
Like I said. Parks, get a job on the road in music, i mean besides giving
head on the bus. do a few tours and see if the experience doesnt give you a
fucking clue and change your stupid, uninformed and ignorant opinions about
all this.
Terry Lomax
It's the Principle! wrote:
> I sided with professional conduct. Something you apparently know
> nothing about.
Since when is it "professional conduct" to brag about shouting racist
slurs, exposing secret personal information about clients, and sticking
a police baton up your behind?