BITS AND PIECES 07/31 Part 2
PUSSSYKATT
--r. Laura Schlessinger certainly inspires dissent. Now it turns out that the
tough-love radio shrink also caused a high-level internal fight at the newly
merged Viacom-CBS. Viacom's Paramount is standing by Schlessinger and going
ahead with the production of her new television show this fall. But that's only
because Mel Karmazin, the former head of CBS who's now the chief operating
officer of Viacom, insisted, according to one well-connected industry insider.
Paramount chief "Jonathan Dolgen wants to drop her, but can't because Karmazin
won't," says the source. "Mel Karmazin is too stubborn, and he says there's no
way in the world he's backing down to anyone." The "anyone" in this case is
activist gay groups, who began a "Stop Dr. Laura" movement this spring, after
the tart-tongued adviser dubbed homosexuality "a biological error." Several
sponsors have dropped out of her top-rated radio show. You'll recall that
Karmazin first gave Howard Stern and Don Imus their radio shows, and he
defended Stern staunchly against the FCC. Through spokesmen, both Karmazin and
Dolgen refused to comment.
--O.J. Simpson is innocent this time. But the Florida pornographers behind his
latest venture — last week's much-hyped www.AskOJ.com Webcast — have a past
that caused a ruckus Thursday at O.J.'s press conference in Tampa. The new Web
site is backed by David Marshlack's Entertainment Network, the group that
created VoyeurDorm.com, a Web site that trains a camera on six Florida
university coeds. Until last year, Marshlack's partner was Seth Warshavsky, a
brash young entrepreneur who launched the Pamela Anderson-Tommy Lee sex video
into cyberspace. Warshavsky was the subject of a recent scathing profile in
Rolling Stone magazine written by Evan Wright, who also was assigned to cover
the O.J. event. Then, when Wright showed up at the press conference, a flack
got rough and had the reporter armlocked and ushered to the street. About 15
minutes later, Marshlack came down and invited Wright back upstairs. Wright
figures the problem was caused by his hard-hitting reporting on Warshavsky.
The flack, Alan Crio, says it was "a misunderstanding that was quickly smoothed
over." Wright is still planning to write about O.J. "For me," he says, "the
greatest irony is that O.J. is unhappy with the media because they've
controlled his story.... But obviously, this was a highly controlled event."
--Barbra Streisand leads a plush life — especially when it comes to carpets.
When the Funny Lady returns for her farewell New York concerts on Sept. 27 and
28, the floors of Madison Square Garden will be covered with the same gray
broadloom that was laid down when she played there six years ago. Although the
carpet was kept in storage all this time, it needs a few patches, reports one
inside source. It's very "plush, the best," says a Streisand flack, who
explains that covering the arena floor vastly improves the sound quality of the
concert. You'll recall that, on the last go-round, Streisand also set up a
backstage living room filled with her own antiques, and, according to Harper's
magazine, requested that her private toilet bowl be filled with gardenias.
Concerned about the plumbing, the Garden staffer used rose petals instead. All
this prep doesn't come cheap: Tickets, which go on sale tomorrow, range from
$128 to $2,503 for the VIPs who also want a preshow supper and gift bag.
--The movie star map of Beverly Hills is about to be redrawn. Director Vincente
Minnelli's big white mansion on the corner of Crescent Drive and Sunset Blvd.
(catty-corner from the Beverly Hills Hotel) has been put on the market for $3.5
million. The late director left the home that sits on almost a full acre to
Liza Minnelli, his daughter by Judy Garland. But in his will, Minnelli asked
that his widow, Lee Minnelli, be allowed to live out her life there. Lee has
reportedly changed very little in the mansion since her husband's death in
1986. "Even his paints and easels are where he left them in his dressing room,"
the Los Angeles Times reported last year. But, according to a friend of hers,
the house has been falling into disrepair recently, and her stepdaughter
offered to buy her a condo.
"Lee hangs on to that house, and Liza pays for it," explains the friend. "It's
literally falling apart. It's a tear-down."
--The Lemmon is turning sweet on acting. Jack Lemmon is peddling a proposal for
a book to be based on his interviews with major male stars like Tom Hanks, Tom
Cruise, Matt Damon, Will Smith, Michael Douglas and Robin Williams. The idea
came to the "Days of Wine and Roses" star after he played reporter and
interviewed Kevin Spacey (for another newspaper) just before the Academy
Awards.
--Robert Redford excels in method directing. While filming "The Legend of
Bagger Vance," a golf movie coming out in the fall, the still-handsome
actor-turned-director kept funnyman Will Smith in character for his serious
role by keeping him on the links. "Whenever he [Smith] was not on camera,
Redford had him off playing golf," reports a studio spy. Evidently it worked:
Smith is said to have turned in a sterling performance.
--Realtors aren't the only ones living off the fat of the economy.
Restaurateurs aren't doing badly, either. Check out prices at Luahn, the new
hot spot on Fifth Ave. co-owned by actor Stephen Baldwin, which sells liquor by
the bottle. A liter of Absolut Vodka will set you back $250 (posh Madison Ave.
retailer Sherry-Lehmann charges $18.95). A liter of Bacardi Light rum ($13.95
at Sherry-Lehmann) also runs $250 at the restaurant. Dewar's scotch is $275 a
liter (versus $23.50 at the store). A Luahn flack insists that people are
actually shelling out the bucks for these bottles. Guess they don't get uptown.
RUSH AND MOLLOY...NY DAILY NEWS...
--Condolences to Robert De Niro. The Oscar-winner lost his mother, Virginia
Admiral, on Thursday. The abstract painter, who was in her 80s, was divorced
from Robert De Niro Sr., also a painter, when her son was 2 years old. Though
she'd sold a painting to the Museum of Modern Art while she was still a
student, Admiral ran a typing service to support herself and her child.
Together, they lived in a W. 14th St. apartment, which became a hangout for
artists, writers and intellectuals. "She was articulate, witty and bright,"
said a friend. "Bob was very close to her." Coming after the 1993 death of his
father, another friend said, "This is going to hit him hard."
--Small wonder MTV picked Shawn and Marlon Wayans to emcee its video awards
this week. Some of the victims of last year's host, Chris Rock, still haven't
forgotten his smart mouth. It wasn't enough that he kept teasing Jennifer Lopez
about her best-known asset. After the show, a friend of Lopez tells us, Rock
sent her a big bouquet of flowers with a note apologizing for "making you the
butt of my jokes. Ha, ha." A moment later, a knock on the door announced more
flowers, accompanied by a note: "These are for your butt." Besides having a
sense of humor, Lopez showed daring while playing a murder-probing psychologist
in "The Cell." The tingling New Line thriller finds her appearing as the
Virgin Mary and dressing up as a dominatrix to explore the fantasies of a
serial killer. That's range.
--Oprah Winfrey lost a major copyright case against two photographers in a
Chicago federal court on Tuesday. The snappers claimed that Winfrey included
their work in her best-selling weight-loss book without their permission. Judge
Ruben Castillo ruled that the photographers were the sole owners of the Oprah
pics. ...
--Liam Gallagher has wasted no time finding a replacement for estranged wife
Patsy Kensit. The Oasis rocker is said to have hooked up with All Saints singer
Nicole Appleton. Meanwhile, Gallagher's band walked off the stage at the Paleo
Music Festival in Switzerland last week, claiming that the audience was hurling
bottles at them. Concert organizers deny anything was thrown and contend the
exit was "totally irrational and motivated by a paranoid reflex," not to
mention Gallagher's "arrogant and provocative attitude." Oasis' management
company issued a statement promising the festival's ogranizers with a lawsuit
"as a result of their outrageous remarks." The organizers are threatening a
countersuit. ...
--New York Rangers Pavel Brendl, Stefan Cherneski, Evgeny Gusakakov and Jason
Labarbera had their locks washed and cut at the Pierre Michel salon the other
day. Labarbera even got a dash of dye from colorist David Crandall. ...
--Bob Costas talked sports and suits with Joseph Aboud at Michael's. The
designer is outfitting all of NBC's commentators for the Olympic 2000 Summer
Games. ...
--If you love rhythm, don't miss Afro-Latino stars Ricardo Lemvo and Makina
Loca today in Brooklyn's Prospect Park. The Putumayo artists will move your
hips from 1 to 7 p.m.
--Joe Frazier will relive his 1971 bout with Muhammad Ali on Wednesday at the
premiere of the HBO documentary "The Fight of the Century." Frazier will attend
with his agent Darren Prince, who just made a deal with Magic Johnson.
USA TODAY...
--MORGANTOWN, W.Va. - Even if Morgantown High School's class of 1942 wasn't
dwindling in size, actor Don Knotts would probably still stand out. Knotts,
best known as Barney Fife, the bumbling deputy to Sheriff Andy Taylor in The
Andy Griffith Show, joined 80 former classmates at a reunion Saturday. Knotts,
76, smiled and laughed with ex-classmates as they reminisced about their high
school days. The 356-member class was the largest of its time, but the turnout
for the reunion was the smallest ever, alumnus Jack Feck said. Of the
graduates, 124 have died. "It may be the last single meeting of this type," he
said.
--WASHINGTON — Dr. Dre and his multiplatinum wrecking crew — including Ice
Cube, Snoop Dogg and Eminem — blazed the MCI Center with the G-Funk on
Thursday during their ongoing Up in Smoke Tour (3 1/2 stars out of four). The
seminal gangsta rapper and pre-eminent hip-hop producer's troupe pulled no
punches with funk-drenched, graphically cinematic rhymes about sex, drugs and
crimes that kept the audience in a frenzy throughout the hedonistic ride. The
concert got off to a slow start, as Snoop protégés Tha Eastsidaz, whose brief
set included Got Beef with Jayo Felony, failed to do much to inspire the crowd
as it trickled in. Warren G fared a little better, logging about 15 minutes of
stage time, highlighted by hits Regulate and I Want It All, and at least
getting the gawkers and talkers to pay some attention. Ice Cube, who made his
entrance onto a set seemingly built of huge frosty blocks, soon ignited things,
despite spending most of his 30 minutes scowling his way through songs of
fairly recent vintage. FOR FULL STORY:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/music213.htm
--PHILADELPHIA — TV pundit John McLaughlin was shocked to hear at the
Republican convention that his friend Charlton Heston had spent three weeks in
a Utah rehab center in May. Heston revealed his previously unreported stay to
battle a drinking problem in an interview for this week's National Enquirer.
"It surprises me," McLaughlin said. "I remember years ago having him at my home
for dinner with his wife and Ronald Reagan and his wife and saw no hint of
anything. I admire him for coming forward and being candid." A spokeswoman for
the National Rifle Association president confirmed this weekend that Heston
gave the interview. She said he would have no further comment. Heston isn't
attending the GOP convention, but that's because of film and travel
commitments, another spokeswoman said. Heston, 76, now known as much for his
NRA commercials as for his biblical film roles, told the tabloid, "It was one
of my best recent ideas. And now I'm not drinking at all."
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Ron Turner
>the tough-love radio shrink also caused a high-level internal fight at the
newly
>merged Viacom-CBS. Viacom's Paramount is standing by Schlessinger and going
>ahead with the production of her new television show this fall. But that's
>only because Mel Karmazin, the former head of CBS who's now the chief
operating
>officer of Viacom, insisted, according to one well-connected industry
>insider. >Paramount chief "Jonathan Dolgen wants to drop her, but can't
because >Karmazin
>won't," says the source. "Mel Karmazin is too stubborn, and he says there's
>no >way in the world he's backing down to anyone." The "anyone" in this case
is
>activist gay groups, who began a "Stop Dr. Laura" movement this spring, after
>the tart-tongued adviser dubbed homosexuality "a biological error." Several
>sponsors have dropped out of her top-rated radio show. You'll recall that
>Karmazin first gave Howard Stern and Don Imus their radio shows, and he
>defended Stern staunchly against the FCC. Through spokesmen, both Karmazin
>and Dolgen refused to comment.
Gotta admire Karmazin for not bowing down and kissing the whiners asses.
Unlike them he is truly tolerant, not hateful and bigoted towards anything or
anybody that disagrees with them.
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Playing with my new paper shredder. I feel just like Al Gore, lol.
Reading "Ender's Shadow" by Orson Scott Card (sci fi)
Matt Madison-Clark
You've got a lot of nerve you mamby-pamby "oh the world is just crucifying
conservatives" hypocrite. You take every opportunity you can to complain and
moan about how persecuted conservatives are. Dr. Laura is a dangerous little
bitch and you and she are remarkably good at playing the wronged party.
People are seeing what she is truly about.
And guess what!?! If you admire people for not bowing down and kissing other
people's ass, then you can put me on a pedestal because my lips will NEVER
EVER come close to Dr. Laura's posterior. ;-)
Blech.
Ron Turner wrote in message
<20000731134214...@ng-bj1.aol.com>...
>Laura Schlessinger certainly inspires dissent. Now it turns out that
>>the tough-love radio shrink also caused a high-level internal fight at the
>newly
>>merged Viacom-CBS. Viacom's Paramount is standing by Schlessinger and
going
>>ahead with the production of her new television show this fall. But that's
>>only because Mel Karmazin, the former head of CBS who's now the chief
>operating
>>officer of Viacom, insisted, according to one well-connected industry
>>insider. >Paramount chief "Jonathan Dolgen wants to drop her, but can't
>because >Karmazin
>>won't," says the source. "Mel Karmazin is too stubborn, and he says
there's
>>no >way in the world he's backing down to anyone." The "anyone" in this
case
>is
>>activist gay groups, who began a "Stop Dr. Laura" movement this spring,
after
>>the tart-tongued adviser dubbed homosexuality "a biological error."
Several
>>sponsors have dropped out of her top-rated radio show. You'll recall that
>>Karmazin first gave Howard Stern and Don Imus their radio shows, and he
>>defended Stern staunchly against the FCC. Through spokesmen, both Karmazin
>>and Dolgen refused to comment.
>
David Migicovsky
>Whiners?
>
>You've got a lot of nerve you mamby-pamby "oh the world is just
>crucifying conservatives" hypocrite. You take every opportunity you can
>to complain and moan about how persecuted conservatives are. Dr. Laura
>is a dangerous little bitch and you and she are remarkably good at
>playing the wronged party. People are seeing what she is truly about.
>
>And guess what!?! If you admire people for not bowing down and kissing
>other people's ass, then you can put me on a pedestal because my lips
>will NEVER EVER come close to Dr. Laura's posterior. ;-)
>
>Blech.
Ron specializes in pulling this "anyone who disagrees with them" crap as if
we're talking about whether Ford is better than Chevrolet, instead of
someone who seeks to deny people their basic human rights. We're talking
about someone who gladly welcomes the support of people even ultra-
conservatives won't touch.
We're talking about someone whose hate knows no bounds of compassion or
decency.
And she has every right to those opinions and to express them to anyone who
wants to listen, sponsored by anyone who wants to sponsor her. And just
like the Southern Baptists have every right to boycott Disney and apply
pressure to them in their attempt to make Disney discriminate against their
gay employees, we have every right to attempt to influence Paramount.
Funny thing is, I don't recall many people like Ron being upset about the
ongoing Southern Baptist boycott of Disney.
How come, Ron?
>>David ========> Why doesn't it bother you that people are boycotting a
company in an attempt to force them to discriminate against their own
employees?
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Ron Turner
>Whiners?
>
>You've got a lot of nerve you mamby-pamby "oh the world is just crucifying
>conservatives" hypocrite. You take every opportunity you can to complain and
>moan about how persecuted conservatives are. Dr. Laura is a dangerous little
>bitch and you and she are remarkably good at playing the wronged party.
>People are seeing what she is truly about.
>
>And guess what!?! If you admire people for not bowing down and kissing other
>people's ass, then you can put me on a pedestal because my lips will NEVER
>EVER come close to Dr. Laura's posterior. ;-)
>
>Blech.
I agree with you on the fact that Dr. Laura is an asshole idiot. I really
don't give a damn about her.
But I do believe in the First Amendment and freedom of speech. Let the bitch
talk and fall flat on her face. It'll be so much funner then.
Censorship accomplishes nothing, except for opening a dangerous can of worms.
If she can be censored for being "controversial". Then that means others can
too, including liberals. It's the equivalent of playing with nukes. Yes, you
destroy your opponent, but everybody else, including yourself, gets fried in
the process.
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Matt Madison-Clark
stopdrlaura.com and GLAAD are being advocates for companies to pull
sponsorship from her shows. Stopping sponsorship means that public
companies, companies responsible to all their shareholders, are simply not
paying for public exposure of Dr. Laura's personal beliefs and rhetoric.
This in no way shape and form impinges on Dr. Laura's right to free speech.
She has every opportunity to speak as much as she wants. She can still have
her own television show. The only difference is that public companies won't
be paying for it. She just has to pay for it herself or find some other way
to sponsor it like pay-per-view.
Now if she's able to find companies that think wholeheartedly enough like
her to sponsor her without reservation to offending the public at large, so
be it. Activist organizations have no ability to affect that. But what
stopdrlaura.com and GLAAD are doing is being politically savvy. Just as
smart as the little weasel Laura with her "call to action" crap. She
constantly is asking her listeners to overload various elected officials
offices about issues so that decisions will be made in according to her
conservative beliefs. I see no difference in what stopdrlaura.com and GLAAD
are doing alike to her "call to actions."
P.S. - funner is not a real word and I definitely don't think it would be
much fun for me to know that this woman is on the air denouncing my gender
preference as something that can be fixed telling the world that most
homosexuals are pedophiles. I'm trying to make sure that people like my
mother, a sheltered sweet woman living in a small town away from everything
scary in the world, gets the TRUE REAL story and doesn't have to suffer the
trauma of hearing someone like this nutcase and her idiot ideas on
homosexuality. You think it's only about being gay and it's really about
being honest.
David Migicovsky
>Ron you and so many other people have this issue turned around. Groups
>like stopdrlaura.com and GLAAD are being advocates for companies to pull
>sponsorship from her shows. Stopping sponsorship means that public
>companies, companies responsible to all their shareholders, are simply
>not paying for public exposure of Dr. Laura's personal beliefs and
>rhetoric. This in no way shape and form impinges on Dr. Laura's right to
>free speech. She has every opportunity to speak as much as she wants.
>She can still have her own television show. The only difference is that
>public companies won't be paying for it. She just has to pay for it
>herself or find some other way to sponsor it like pay-per-view.
I'm still waiting to hear Turner denounce the Southern Baptists' boycott of
Disney. It's been going on for years, yet he's never mentioned it. Why
doesn't he find that equally offensive?
The First Amendment does not bestow the right to a TV show on anyone.
Bear in mind, however, that you are arguing with a fool, coward and liar.
>>David ========>
Ron Turner
>Ron you and so many other people have this issue turned around. Groups like
>stopdrlaura.com and GLAAD are being advocates for companies to pull
>sponsorship from her shows. Stopping sponsorship means that public
>companies, companies responsible to all their shareholders, are simply not
>paying for public exposure of Dr. Laura's personal beliefs and rhetoric.
>This in no way shape and form impinges on Dr. Laura's right to free speech.
>She has every opportunity to speak as much as she wants. She can still have
>her own television show. The only difference is that public companies won't
>be paying for it. She just has to pay for it herself or find some other way
>to sponsor it like pay-per-view.
The problem is it goes much further than that. I really don't have an issue
with the boycotts. It's the other actions that worry me. The anti-Laura
people have said they want laws censoring people like her as "hate speech".
They believe she is not protected by the First Amendment. That's dangerous. I
don't care how crazy she is, how wrong she is, how dangerous she is, trying to
get speech banned is bad. That's what the First Amendment is all about,
protecting extreme, radical speech that nobody wants to listen to.
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Hoping Gerald Ford will be ok :-)
Jeg7777
"Michael Ritchie" <mrit...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3988B8D5...@columbus.rr.com...
> Ron Turner wrote:
> >
> > The problem is it goes much further than that. I really don't have an
issue
> > with the boycotts. It's the other actions that worry me. The
anti-Laura
> > people have said they want laws censoring people like her as "hate
speech".
>
> And Rush Limbaugh or those voices in your head
> don't count.
Don't waste your time with the bigoted liar/troll. I bet he still hasn't
answered David's question about why he won't condemn the Southern Baptist
boycott of Disney, since he's so against anyone boycotting "Dr." Laura.
--
Joe
Quinn: "A spa? Great! I need a facial so bad."
Daria: "Don't get excited. This says it's a 'spa for the soul.' Didn't you
sell yours a while back?"
Craig Smith
>Ron Turner wrote:
>>
>> The problem is it goes much further than that. I really don't have an issue
>> with the boycotts. It's the other actions that worry me. The anti-Laura
>> people have said they want laws censoring people like her as "hate speech".
>
>I don't believe you. Quotes and sources, please.
>And Rush Limbaugh or those voices in your head
>don't count.
I haven't seen anything in print, but I belong to a LGBT
mailing list, and sadly this very notion has come up more
than once. On the positive side, the majority of folks on
the list have taken issue with them, insisting that
everyone's free speech be protected, regardless of its
content.
Craig
Michael Ritchie
>
> The problem is it goes much further than that. I really don't have an issue
> with the boycotts. It's the other actions that worry me. The anti-Laura
> people have said they want laws censoring people like her as "hate speech".
I don't believe you. Quotes and sources, please.
And Rush Limbaugh or those voices in your head
don't count.
--M.
David Migicovsky
>I haven't seen anything in print, but I belong to a LGBT
>mailing list, and sadly this very notion has come up more
>than once. On the positive side, the majority of folks on
>the list have taken issue with them, insisting that
>everyone's free speech be protected, regardless of its
>content.
>
But those people on your list are individuals expressing opinions. Turner
says "the anti-Laura people," and implies (deliberately or not) that the
people who have organized against her are saying that.
It's rather a specialty of Turner (and Limbaugh, for that matter). Take one
thing said by one person -- preferably anonymous, paraphrased and out of
context -- and pretend it represents "official" opinion.
Craig Smith
>>I haven't seen anything in print, but I belong to a LGBT
>>mailing list, and sadly this very notion has come up more
>>than once. On the positive side, the majority of folks on
>>the list have taken issue with them, insisting that
>>everyone's free speech be protected, regardless of its
>>content.
>>
>
>But those people on your list are individuals expressing opinions. Turner
>says "the anti-Laura people," and implies (deliberately or not) that the
>people who have organized against her are saying that.
>
>It's rather a specialty of Turner (and Limbaugh, for that matter). Take one
>thing said by one person -- preferably anonymous, paraphrased and out of
>context -- and pretend it represents "official" opinion.
I understand your point, but I have to disagree---not that
such people don't brand the many with the radical opinions
of the few, but that in political matters, *most* people do
the same thing. How many times in this group have we heard
conservatives in general painted as anti-choice, gun-toting,
homophobic yahoos? Yet I know a number of conservatives who
are gay-friendly (or at least tolerant), pro-choice, and
support the Brady Bill.
It's like that wonderful bumper sticker: "Lobotomies for
Republicans: It's the Law!" ---while I laugh every time I
think of it, and feel that conservatives as a bunch are
wrong on most any issue you can name, I also know
Republicans who are thoughtful, kind humanitarians.
Everyone I know tends to paint those they vie with
politically with a broad brush. It's bad form, wrong-headed,
unhelpful, polarizing, and often just plain stupid, but in
divisive political matters it goes on ALL the time, on BOTH
sides of the fence.
What I guess I disagree most with is the assertion that "the
anti-Laura people" implies some organized group. What I
heard in that phrase was the incorrect practice of ascribing
to many the opinions of a few, and then generally vilifying
that group because of it.
Craig
David Migicovsky
>David Migicovsky wrote:
>
>>>I haven't seen anything in print, but I belong to a LGBT
>>>mailing list, and sadly this very notion has come up more
>>>than once. On the positive side, the majority of folks on
>>>the list have taken issue with them, insisting that
>>>everyone's free speech be protected, regardless of its
>>>content.
>>>
>>
>>But those people on your list are individuals expressing opinions.
>>Turner says "the anti-Laura people," and implies (deliberately or not)
>>that the people who have organized against her are saying that.
>>
>>It's rather a specialty of Turner (and Limbaugh, for that matter). Take
>>one thing said by one person -- preferably anonymous, paraphrased and
>>out of context -- and pretend it represents "official" opinion.
>
>I understand your point, but I have to disagree---not that
>such people don't brand the many with the radical opinions
>of the few, but that in political matters, *most* people do
>the same thing. How many times in this group have we heard
>conservatives in general painted as anti-choice, gun-toting,
>homophobic yahoos? Yet I know a number of conservatives who
>are gay-friendly (or at least tolerant), pro-choice, and
>support the Brady Bill.
I do try to make a point of not doing that. In Turner's case I've never
seen the slightest indication he understands conservative thought -- his
ideology is based on nothing but hate.
>
>It's like that wonderful bumper sticker: "Lobotomies for
>Republicans: It's the Law!" ---while I laugh every time I
>think of it, and feel that conservatives as a bunch are
>wrong on most any issue you can name, I also know
>Republicans who are thoughtful, kind humanitarians.
>
>Everyone I know tends to paint those they vie with
>politically with a broad brush. It's bad form, wrong-headed,
>unhelpful, polarizing, and often just plain stupid, but in
>divisive political matters it goes on ALL the time, on BOTH
>sides of the fence.
Yes it does. And I make a point of mentioning that, along with the fact
that liberals *are* given a free ride here.
>
>What I guess I disagree most with is the assertion that "the
>anti-Laura people" implies some organized group. What I
>heard in that phrase was the incorrect practice of ascribing
>to many the opinions of a few, and then generally vilifying
>that group because of it.
Well you're free to ask Ron what it meant. And then ask him to provide some
evidence of that. It hasn't been said here. Not by you, me, or any of the
others who might be considered "anti-Laura people."
So where was it said that Ron not only heard it, but so frequently and
fervently that it outweighed the constant chorus of "no, we don't"
expressed constantly here.
Now whether she belongs on the public airwaves is an entirely different
matter. Canadian and American broadcast standards differ considerably. One
way of looking at it is that American ones are fashioned around not
offending homophobes with homosexuality, while Canadian ones are fashioned
around not offending homosexuals with homophobia. :)
As an illustration of this, I think you'll find the following two decisions
of the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (an industry body) interesting.
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decision/951206c.htm
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decision/000510.htm
To an American, it must seem like Bizarro world.
To a European, more like "Well, duh!"
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/codes/ethics-com.htm
Rb
>> Ron Turner wrote: The problem is it goes much further than that.
>> I really don't have an issue with the boycotts. It's the other
>> actions that worry me. The anti-Laura people have said they want
>> laws censoring people like her as "hate speech".
:> I don't believe you. Quotes and sources, please.
:> And Rush Limbaugh or those voices in your head
:> don't count.
But, Mikey! I'm pretty sure rush limbaugh *IS* the voices in Ron's head!
And count your blessings. We were spared the old "some of my best friends
are anti-laura people..."
This reminds me of "I really don't have an issue with equal rights. It's
the other actions which worry me. The feminists have said they want laws
forcing men and women to use the same public toilets!"
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